OCLogs: 2021-04-30.log

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L10[02:19:18] <Althego> scott building lego space shuttle live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwQBy_rANgI

L11[02:42:29] <XXCoder> nice lol

L12[02:42:41] <XXCoder> was wondering if it was in sealed box in space like that one

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L16[03:47:36] <Althego> hmm, tfr for sunday

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L18[04:49:42] <Althego> wait, what? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXG7W7skekw

L19[04:49:48] <Althego> so will there be a launch or not

L20[04:50:10] <raptop> open the box and see what the cat is doing?

L21[04:50:31] <Althego> the launch control system is a cat in the box?

L22[04:51:20] <Althego> spacex could make a successful landing an a failure in one. maybe they can do a launch and not launch at the same time too

L23[04:52:16] <raptop> vague schroedinger's cat reference

L24[04:52:36] <Althego> just as mine

L25[04:53:13] <raptop> ah

L26[05:10:51] <Althego> it seems the scott stream is probably coming to an end but i am still more than an hour behind

L27[05:12:16] <Althego> also: skye grew up. i am getting old

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L40[08:26:07] <Althego> weather looks pretty bad in boca chica today

L41[08:26:40] <Althego> so maybe no launch after all

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L43[08:29:58] <Althego> rapping zombie

L44[08:32:41] <Althego> zombanwa

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L47[09:12:41] <Althego> some mars heli stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlXe-U0ws4

L48[09:12:50] <Althego> in more than 6 hours

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L52[09:21:01] <Mat2ch> Althego: depends a bit when they launch. If they do it early in the day weather will be fine

L53[09:21:14] <Mat2ch> if they have to delay it they might have to scrap it due to lightning

L54[09:21:26] <Mat2ch> last time they went so early it was still foggy...

L55[09:21:51] <Althego> most of the time there is no fog in the morning there

L56[09:21:56] <Althego> sos they could do it

L57[09:22:18] <Mat2ch> nerdle cam shows a bit of fog. But could be the cam in the darkness.

L58[09:23:03] <Althego> doesnt look too bad

L59[09:23:16] <Althego> last time nothing was visible

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L67[11:37:23] <Althego> (local) leet time

L68[11:48:35] <minas_tirith> Althego, hi

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L72[12:32:21] <Althego> hehe, this is funny. there is a site here that lets you reserve a time for your covid vaccination. around dawn people realized instead of the chinese only (while it was in test run), it started to offer pfizer too. so people effectively made a dos attack on it

L73[12:32:55] <Althego> the result was, in some places you could get vaccination without a time, so several hundred m long lines formed

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L79[13:20:45] <Mat2ch> Althego: oh, software problems. Just natural, you can't do anything about it.

L80[13:20:51] <Mat2ch> </sarcasm>

L81[13:24:38] <Althego> in my opinion the site is unusable even in its normal state

L82[13:25:27] <Althego> i tried to use it but was always stuck at the zip code, because they probably expect you to pick a zip code of a nearby hospital

L83[13:25:39] <Althego> why not just display its name lol

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L87[13:29:52] <Mat2ch> Althego: the funny thing about this is that 193 countries (and several more states not acknowledged as countries) require the same thing.

L88[13:30:06] <Mat2ch> And everyone is doing it on their own. And most of them fail

L89[13:30:11] <Althego> hehe

L90[13:30:22] <Mat2ch> as if society has never heard of working together to fix a problem faster and better :D

L91[13:30:32] <Althego> imagine if it was a central system. it would fail centrally :)

L92[13:34:36] <Mat2ch> hrhr

L93[13:35:03] <Mat2ch> well, if they could all agree on one system they probably would put it in the "cloud" somewhere, where it is the cheapest

L94[13:35:04] <Mat2ch> :D

L95[13:35:35] <Althego> the planning of such system alone would take months

L96[13:35:41] <Althego> and countless meetings

L97[13:35:44] <Althego> almost impossible

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L99[14:13:14] <Alanonzander> Althego: Sounds like the Us's Heathercare.gov. they had 3 years and still could not make it work upon completion and had to re-write a good chunk fo teh back end just to get it workign the first year.

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L101[14:20:09] <Althego> let's face it. we took the idea of computers and made them so horrible that they are not only useless but detrimental

L102[14:20:58] <umaxtu> if it can't run well on a 6502 or z80, its not worth using. Am I right? Or am I right?

L103[14:21:27] <Althego> probably

L104[14:22:13] <raptop> When you consider that initial uses for computers were breaking cryptography and designing nuclear weapons, their cursed nature makes sense

L105[14:22:32] <raptop> Also consider how often their mechanical predecessors were used for aiming various kinds of guns/artillery

L106[14:22:56] <umaxtu> raptop, they should've just hired more poles instead

L107[14:23:00] <Althego> but it is not even that

L108[14:23:02] <raptop> heh

L109[14:23:07] <Althego> you dont need to use them as weapons

L110[14:23:11] <Althego> and they still harm us

L111[14:23:19] <Althego> because of our own inability to program them

L112[14:23:43] <umaxtu> tangentially related. my favorite video on the Enigma. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rekaj8bBWiU

L113[14:24:25] <Althego> i find it funny that it never coded to the same letter that it was coding for, and that made it susceptible for breaking

L114[14:24:56] <Althego> it would have been nothing to make it so, but probably they thought it was safer this way

L115[14:25:29] <umaxtu> maybe they thought it was a good thing

L116[14:25:31] <raptop> umaxtu: oh, hey, a drach video

L117[14:26:00] <umaxtu> yeah, I recommend his content a lot

L118[14:26:45] <Althego> is crew-1 coming back?

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L123[15:31:25] <Althego> i have to admit i dont have it what it takes to do the current project discovery in eve

L124[15:31:35] <Althego> it is some kind of cell clustering thingie

L125[15:31:48] <Althego> i remember the first one, hthe labeling of internal cell structures, i was great

L126[15:32:04] <Althego> in this i either add one more region or or add one less

L127[15:32:09] <Althego> almost never nail the correct number

L128[15:32:17] <Althego> so my accuracy is barely 60%

L129[15:33:40] <raptop> ?

L130[15:36:00] <Mat2ch> looks like it takes a while to close the pad

L131[15:36:35] <Althego> in eve online, for years now, you can play a minigame, with different sciene project, where you do the job of neural network

L132[15:37:03] <Althego> it started with cell internal structur labeling

L133[15:37:13] <Althego> they discovered things

L134[15:37:23] <Althego> then it was exoplanets

L135[15:37:28] <Althego> i didnt try that

L136[15:37:37] <Althego> but in this cell clustering thing i am horrible

L137[15:38:39] <Althego> this is already going https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlXe-U0ws4

L138[15:41:24] <Althego> i wonder how they get their testing data

L139[15:41:35] <Althego> if it is completely user generated it may be flawed

L140[15:41:48] <Althego> maybe the testing data is generated by human experts

L141[15:41:55] <Althego> i mean they are testig you occassionally

L142[15:42:16] <Althego> most of the data is for you to do the clustering, done by many people and i guess they average it somehow

L143[15:50:11] <Althego> anyway, they expect you to do something like this https://images.ctfassets.net/7lhcm73ukv5p/TbBZhLf0TO4uIdFSmUMpp/72967ba9742e65a4dc8de94afaf21b77/how-to-participate-project-discovery-ui.png

L144[15:50:37] <Althego> for example to me the left center thing proabably wouldnt be there

L145[15:50:49] <Althego> i would cluster it with probably the bottom one

L146[15:53:54] <Althego> a typical failure http://warpology.com/x/ifail.png

L147[15:54:24] <Althego> if you look at it without the lines there seems to be a vague region in the bottom right, so this time i had too many clusters

L148[15:54:44] <Althego> there is no clear cut way to tell when they want that separate or with an other one

L149[15:55:25] <Althego> and for most of hte sata they dont know it either

L150[15:56:22] * raptop can sort of see the bottom left, but I'm confused on the bottom right

L151[15:56:45] <Althego> i was too

L152[15:57:06] <Althego> according to them that is part of the bottom left

L153[15:57:18] <Althego> but there is a part where there are no dost, so i thought it was separate

L154[15:59:05] <Althego> http://warpology.com/x/ifail2.png

L155[15:59:10] <Althego> how is that 2?

L156[15:59:19] <Althego> there are like 10 blue dots there

L157[16:01:40] <raptop> o_O

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L160[16:34:53] <Althego> i somehow went up to 77% and level 10. but this is enough for me

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L165[17:03:08] <Althego> kikkerikii

L166[17:06:32] <raptop> birb

L167[17:09:12] <Mat2ch> börps

L168[17:11:40] <Althego> it was surprising that they expect this rover to move even faster than the previous

L169[17:12:04] <Althego> so basically the heli really wouldnt be able to keep up with it

L170[17:12:55] <Althego> also that it did so well, that basically they achieved their goals in 3 flights

L171[17:24:33] <Althego> and the bird brain strikes again

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L173[17:36:22] * raptop would assume that bird brain would make one very good at flight sims

L174[17:59:24] <Althego> scrub?

L175[18:00:13] <Althego> closure cancelled

L176[18:00:26] <Althego> as usual, it is never on friday

L177[18:19:31] <Mat2ch> :(

L178[18:19:33] <Mat2ch> so next week

L179[18:19:39] <Mat2ch> they never fly on weekends

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L184[18:56:31] <Althego> crew-1 depart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpWRW8rmhxs

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L187[19:01:15] <Mat2ch> wen drop?

L188[19:02:19] <Althego> hehe

L189[19:02:52] <Althego> if they really depart now, maybe in the next gew hours

L190[19:13:54] <Althego> hwhw live in 26 hours

L191[19:13:56] <Althego> also delayed

L192[19:17:59] <Mat2ch> hrhr

L193[19:18:10] <Mat2ch> weather?

L194[19:19:31] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/sn15_FTS lolwut?

L195[19:19:49] <Althego> lol

L196[19:21:05] <Althego> wait, what? https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/1388200058491789315

L197[19:21:15] <Althego> wasnt it so that it didnt fly?

L198[19:21:31] <Althego> i think i love the color hazcams

L199[19:25:38] <Althego> my brain cant interpret this gif https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/1388188337014333441

L200[19:27:48] <Mat2ch> is that the shadow?

L201[19:27:52] <Althego> yes

L202[19:27:57] <Althego> but why is it moving?

L203[19:28:04] <Althego> maybe as the heli is tilted

L204[19:28:12] <Althego> i can see some shift in the surface

L205[19:29:06] <Althego> must be annoying that the algorithm constantly needs to check for the shadow and eliminate that from the tracked features

L206[19:29:34] <Mat2ch> why would it have to?

L207[19:30:02] <Mat2ch> if there's the shadow the feature is not to be seen and therefore ignored.

L208[19:30:21] <Althego> the shadow might look like a feature

L209[19:39:41] <Althego> oh no tako in nier, but i am going to sleep soon

L210[19:48:07] <Althego> oh i forgot about flat earth friday

L211[19:49:08] <raptop> that's a cursed friday meme

L212[19:49:44] <Althego> no, that is one of scimandan's weekly videos

L213[19:49:53] <Althego> the other is tinfoil tuesday

L214[20:17:31] <Tank2333> lol

L215[20:19:48] <Althego> oh no a nile red video

L216[20:24:30] <flayer> will the first starship to mars have flying exploration drones on it?

L217[20:24:57] <Althego> at least now that is a possibility. but i doubt anybody is planning that far ahead

L218[20:26:05] <flayer> they should release a swarm to figure out where to build a colony

L219[20:26:37] <Althego> i think we have pretty good maps of mars already

L220[20:26:53] <Althego> at some point they were better than mun maps

L221[20:26:57] <Althego> er moon

L222[20:32:43] <raptop> All hail MRO

L223[20:33:06] <raptop> (...though I guess for wider angle maps and altimetry, MGS needs to be mentioned)

L224[20:37:37] <Althego> also obviously landing sites would be imaged with high resolution, say the hirise

L225[20:38:23] <umaxtu> and whatever china has on their orbiter

L226[20:38:46] <Althego> hirise is not exactly new, but still a powerful telescope

L227[20:38:57] <Althego> so probably not better than that

L228[20:39:25] <Althego> wait, it is almost may

L229[20:39:36] <Althego> when is the landing happening?

L230[20:39:43] <Althego> i think it was suppoesd to be may

L231[20:40:15] <Althego> High-Resolution Camera (HRC) with a resolution of 2 m from a 400 km orbit

L232[20:40:24] <Althego> that is pretty good

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