OCLogs: 2021-04-28.log

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L6[00:50:14] <Solar_Oracle> Am I the only one bothered with the validity of the premise behind Stowaway?

L7[00:50:50] <Solar_Oracle> To paraphrase a veteran spaceflight officer, did IQs drop sharply in the future?

L8[00:53:36] * raptop wonders if I should get one of those streaming video services

L9[00:54:31] <Solar_Oracle> Netflix has nu Lost in Space with the totally-not-a-geth Robot. Amazon has The Expanse. Disney+ has Baby Yoda.

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L11[00:56:15] <Solar_Oracle> Really, though, contingencies are pretty much an ironclad requirement in interplanetary missions and insufficient oxygen just sounds kind of silly. I mean, does oxygen recycling technology just not advance at all?

L12[00:57:01] <raptop> I'm going to vaguely assume the sorts of corner cutting and maintainance reductions that cause various engineering disasters

L13[00:57:39] <Solar_Oracle> So like Voskhod?

L14[00:59:45] <Solar_Oracle> And how exactly does one stowaway on a mission to Mars?

L15[01:01:17] * raptop is aware of people stowing away in aircraft wheel wells, though that tends to go poorly

L16[01:01:51] <Solar_Oracle> "Shortly after takeoff, Barnett discovers launch support engineer Michael Adams, an accidental stowaway. The crew begins to bond with him, but Barnett soon learns that Michael inadvertently destroyed the CDRA, a device which scrubs carbon dioxide from the air on the ship."

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L19[01:02:38] <Solar_Oracle> So they wrecked it enough they can't fix it? What on Kerbin did they do? Convert it into a pinball machine?

L20[01:04:44] * raptop would have to watch it to answer

L21[01:05:24] <Solar_Oracle> I think I would spend too much time yelling at the TV.

L22[01:05:34] <raptop> hah

L23[01:05:35] <Solar_Oracle> Like with Gravity.

L24[01:06:59] <Solar_Oracle> The actual stowaway part is really bothering me now. How did they not notice that during launch or, you know, before.

L25[01:08:28] <raptop> "Corporate says that doing a full inspection is a waste, we can knock 30 minutes off of prep time if we just walk in and launch"

L26[01:08:32] <raptop> At least that's my assumption

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L28[01:20:12] <Solar_Oracle> The Kerbal way of range safety.

L29[01:21:30] <Solar_Oracle> Spaceflight isn't really forgiving to the kinds of structural errors needed for Stowaway to work.

L30[01:24:21] <Solar_Oracle> https://locusmag.com/2014/03/cory-doctorow-cold-equations-and-moral-hazard/

L31[01:25:01] <raptop> Given the way the pandemic has played out, it's not particularly difficult to imagine massive institutional/management failures

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L34[01:27:13] <Solar_Oracle> This is the kind of failure that ensures you probably wouldn't get into orbit because your rocket was one kilogram overweight.

L35[01:35:21] <Solar_Oracle> I'm getting the impression Event Horizon did this better.

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L37[01:40:38] <Solar_Oracle> https://youtu.be/WCwXJMVVdck

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L39[01:43:40] <Solar_Oracle> I see the problem here. They were using USI instead of Snacks!

L40[01:44:57] <Solar_Oracle> For reference, the ship on the right is what the Stowaway and 3 crew came aboard. I'm not sure why there was a panel large enough that they could hide behind. https://cultbox.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Stowaway-featurette.png

L41[01:46:04] <Solar_Oracle> And if that's meant to be a ship intended to rendezvous with a Cycler on a perpetual Mars transfer orbit, the extra 70 kilograms or so are definitely going to be noticed.

L42[01:48:54] <raptop> ah, using the wrong resources mod would definitely cause problems!

L43[01:51:30] <Solar_Oracle> Now if they were using the original Kethane mod, they could've just chucked the stowaway in the KE-WAITNONOSTOP-01 and was their hands of the matter in fresh kethane.

L44[01:58:54] <Solar_Oracle> http://tomasrousek.com/portfolio-item/2336/

L45[02:01:03] <Solar_Oracle> This one has a PDF! http://www.artificial-gravity.com/ISU-2010-Rousek.pdf

L46[02:03:27] <Solar_Oracle> Interestingly, the setup uses an off-axis electric propulsion system, where I seem to think most tether spun spaceships use center-mounted motors or do not use propulsion at all when under spin.

L47[02:04:29] <Solar_Oracle> And the paper detailing how this method even works is also free http://www.spacearchitect.org/pubs/AIAA-2008-7499.pdf

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L51[02:23:09] * raptop is perhaps overly down on cyclers

L52[02:23:38] <raptop> But then, their niche is one that might not actually happen

L53[02:23:42] <Althego> o'neill cylinders?

L54[02:24:48] <raptop> aldrin cyclers and the like, per what Solar_Oracle was talking about

L55[02:25:24] <Althego> ah cycler, not cylinder

L56[02:25:33] <raptop> That whole thing where you want to massively reuse some piece of orbital infrastructure to move a bunch of people with highish launch costs (though presumably good recycling so consumables aren't too much of an issue)

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L58[02:38:53] <Althego> hah https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/1387233670897963010

L59[02:39:28] <raptop> Nice

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L61[02:41:52] <Althego> no news on the fourth flight date

L62[02:41:59] <Althego> or what it is going to contain

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L65[03:03:16] <Althego> what? zombie + world of thanks + girls und panzer?

L66[03:07:45] <Althego> -h

L67[03:13:55] <raptop> Somehow, I feel like there's a large overlap in the audiences of the 2nd and 3rd of those

L68[03:14:25] * raptop is also vaguely reminded of when Fubuki played World of Warships, and appared to mostly be driving her namesake

L69[03:20:48] <Althego> is there a shimakaze in that game? :)

L70[03:21:35] <Althego> seems there is :)

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L72[03:22:50] * raptop hasn't looked that much into the game

L73[03:23:10] <raptop> but yay

L74[03:23:14] <raptop> Hrm, does that mean that the fun refits of the kitakami and oi are available?

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L80[04:00:02] <Izaya> https://nitter.eu/pic/media%2FE0BxRZJVUAUSOYg.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig

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L82[04:05:44] <raptop> Coolest mars image this week. Which *sounds* like a low bar, but isn't

L83[04:14:35] <Althego> hehe i was faster :)

L84[04:14:45] <Althego> the timer was at 4m when i linked it

L85[04:14:52] <raptop> hah

L86[04:15:11] <Althego> there is one issue, the rover is at the corner

L87[04:15:53] <Althego> maybe there will be one later which is closer

L88[04:15:59] <Izaya> ngl I was trying to post that to another channel but dropped it here by mistake

L89[04:16:03] <Althego> if they decide to not push it past its limits

L90[04:16:04] <Izaya> image from previous link here

L91[04:16:13] <Althego> the heli could accompany the rover for a whiel

L92[04:16:30] <raptop> heh

L93[04:17:02] * raptop is under the impression that because of downtime/recharging issues, the rover is overall faster than the helicopter

L94[04:19:28] <Althego> the rover stays in place for long times

L95[04:19:33] <Althego> to get data on rocks

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L97[04:20:09] <Althego> also if the heli can fly 100 m per sol, it is about as fast as the rover

L98[04:20:17] <raptop> that too

L99[04:20:38] <Althego> even if it dies soon, the next one will be way better

L100[04:20:53] <Althego> but i would disappointed if they didnt use the heli for some mars science

L101[04:21:06] <Althego> jpl, uh, finds a way :)

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L103[04:21:47] <raptop> let's see, sensors...

L104[04:21:57] <raptop> inertial sensors, laser altimiter, 2 navcams

L105[04:22:07] <Althego> when curiosity landed, they even used the com offset weights after ejected. they hit mars and colelcted some surface science from that

L106[04:22:18] <raptop> :D

L107[04:22:32] <raptop> I expect that flying over stuff with those instruments can yield a lot

L108[04:23:52] <Althego> i would expect the color camera to be used for mapping terrain ahead of the rover. resolution is low for things far away, so it can just go there first

L109[04:24:01] <Althego> that alone would boost planning

L110[04:29:21] <Althego> the battery i removed from the s7 is completely puffed up now. too bad i didnt make a timelapse

L111[04:29:46] <Althego> not safe to keep in the house anymore

L112[04:30:03] <Althego> maybe i just need to poke it out so it bursts in fire when i can watch it

L113[04:31:35] <raptop> forbidden pillow

L114[04:35:30] <Althego> this was underwhelming. nothing happened

L115[04:35:39] <Althego> i leave it out there for now

L116[04:44:15] <Althego> what, 3 launches in the next 24 hours? and maybe starship too?

L117[04:44:59] <Althego> there is one stream up for starlink https://www.rocketlaunch.live/launch/starlink-25

L118[04:45:09] <Althego> oh rather this https://youtu.be/RBxkRKZ34yo

L119[04:45:30] <raptop> nice

L120[04:45:57] <Izaya> > has API that returns JSON

L121[04:45:59] <Izaya> > no RSS

L122[04:46:01] <Izaya> why

L123[04:46:15] <raptop> youtube?

L124[04:46:20] <Althego> never used rss my whole lif

L125[04:46:21] <Izaya> no that rocketlaunch.live site

L126[04:46:26] <raptop> ah

L127[04:46:30] <Althego> !nela

L128[04:46:31] <Kerbot> Althego => Vega - Pléiades-Neo 3 - Thu Apr 29, 2021 01:50:00 UTC (L-21:04:20) - https://rocketlaunch.live/launch/pleiades-neo-3 for info/stream

L129[04:46:37] <Althego> this is from the json

L130[04:46:46] <Izaya> I'm an exceedingly heavy RSS reader

L131[04:46:54] <Izaya> s/reader/user/

L132[04:46:59] <Althego> hehehe

L133[04:47:04] <Izaya> my exceedingly heavy RSS reader of choice is QuiteRSS

L134[04:47:05] * raptop uses RSS a fair amount

L135[04:47:18] <raptop> (albeit a friend's ttRSS instance)

L136[04:47:33] <Izaya> not sure how one's meant to represent future dates in RSS though

L137[04:47:34] <Izaya> so ???

L138[04:49:47] <Althego> next month there is another rocketlab recovery

L139[04:50:29] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/StCVCiK.png

L140[04:56:13] <raptop> Ah, and I thought having like 3k unread arxiv listings was bad

L141[04:57:37] <Izaya> I read what looks interesting and purge the rest after a few months

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L143[04:58:14] <Izaya> guess I'll write a script to turn those JSON responses into an RSS feed

L144[04:58:16] <Izaya> what a pain

L145[04:58:44] <Althego> there is also this https://nextrocket.space/

L146[04:58:54] <Althego> very similar

L147[04:59:03] <Althego> not always the same, but in the long term they converge

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L152[06:02:12] <raptop> Althego: is it good or bad that I accidentally ran across a flat earth subreddit?

L153[06:02:30] <raptop> (I think almost entirely by a single person)

L154[06:03:08] <Althego> lol

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L157[07:00:39] <Althego> zombanwa

L158[07:00:54] <Althego> i still had a flat earth video

L159[07:01:01] <Althego> that will have to wait

L160[07:03:31] <kubi> Izaya: that is a nice RSS collection

L161[07:04:46] <kubi> I try to build up one for economic and industry news, but RSS/ATOM seems to be adandonned by a lot of portals :(

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L163[07:24:17] <Izaya> almost as if the powers that be are trying to kill it because it cuts into ad revenue

L164[07:24:49] <Althego> hehehe

L165[07:25:54] <kubi> yes and no

L166[07:26:07] <kubi> ad revenue could come from the article

L167[07:26:26] <kubi> this way I do not even go to their website

L168[07:26:31] <Izaya> yup

L169[07:26:49] <Izaya> it's like sites that block you for using ad blockers, guess I didn't need the info on the site that much.

L170[07:27:03] <kubi> yes, I have some of those

L171[07:27:16] <kubi> but most of them are really basic protection

L172[07:27:21] <Althego> hehe it is like games that are not on gog. so you have chosen to not need my purchase

L173[07:27:35] <kubi> ublock origin ZAP function kills the overlay blockers :)

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L180[09:08:40] <Mat2ch> oh noes, spoilers in the backlog! How dare you? :D

L181[09:08:49] <Mat2ch> an wen hop?

L182[09:11:53] <Althego> possibly tomorrow? :)

L183[09:12:38] <Althego> https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_1_6144.html

L184[09:13:02] <Mat2ch> not today? :(

L185[09:13:10] <Althego> that was yesterday

L186[09:13:22] <Althego> yesterday it was tomorrow, and today it is tomorrow too

L187[09:13:30] <Althego> but maybe heli flight

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L192[09:37:30] <FLHerne> Various objections from the FCC's Starlink alteration document: https://puu.sh/HC383/283c1a99b2.png

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L194[09:57:59] <Mat2ch> Somebody is having fears about their business it seems.

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L201[11:40:36] <Althego> heh german pun https://external-preview.redd.it/irseRaXb9h2a08vVuU6QUc3nwgMjFJ6VWTahHWZyoIo.jpg?auto=webp&s=a6845a8c5bb2c3d28323dca900f3f278058d2485

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L207[12:11:37] <Althego> oh i forgot. glory to takamori

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L209[12:33:09] <darsie> .

L210[13:02:31] <Mat2ch> Althego: autsch.

L211[13:02:38] <Althego> hehe

L212[13:06:01] <Mat2ch> here, have some memes that hurt in english: https://imgur.com/gallery/PqxiMZa

L213[13:07:40] <Althego> hehe

L214[13:08:36] <Althego> i like these

L215[13:09:02] <Mat2ch> go steal them. They are memes, set them free!

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L217[13:13:20] <JVFoxy> c.c

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L219[13:19:39] <sandbox> "it hurts when I touch my shoulder"

L220[13:21:45] <sandbox> I've been tempted to respond in a similar way when peopls say things like "my game crashes whenever I do x"

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L222[13:30:39] <JVFoxy> They tell you to stop throwing it out the window?

L223[13:34:05] <Althego> phoenix vs reaper 5 - 0

L224[13:35:25] <JVFoxy> ... rise from the ashes vs everything dies, its all ashes

L225[13:40:16] * X rises from the ashes to note that he is indeed a frequent cause of copulation related game crashes.

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L228[14:34:14] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehDyLNlwDwI

L229[14:36:16] <darsie> Auctioneer turned controller ^

L230[14:36:32] <Althego> the comments say it is hilarious, but he does his job well

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L243[17:16:47] <Althego> michael collins died

L244[17:17:18] <raptop> F

L245[17:29:38] <darsie> .

L246[17:30:12] <umaxtu> F

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L248[17:43:31] <Guest79212> Hi, when will it be possible to login at the website again?

L249[17:44:09] <umaxtu> which website?

L250[17:44:37] <Guest79212> The kerbalspaceprogtam.com site

L251[17:44:58] <Althego> says maintenance

L252[17:45:29] <Althego> or that is a fallback when something dies

L253[17:46:11] <Guest79212> Cant login since sunday or monday

L254[17:48:37] <Althego> there is not even an email. nothing on twitter

L255[17:50:25] <Guest79212> No its quiet at the ksp side

L256[17:52:29] <Mat2ch> the forum is running

L257[17:52:34] <Mat2ch> let's see if there's something there

L258[17:54:10] <Althego> people ar ewondering what is happening

L259[17:54:47] <Mat2ch> the website itself works for me

L260[17:54:48] <Althego> hehe, reply said not known when, but early this week

L261[17:54:56] <Mat2ch> https://www.kerbalspaceprogram.com/

L262[17:55:00] <Mat2ch> no problem at all

L263[17:55:05] <Althego> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/202012-when-can-i-re-download-ksp/&tab=comments#comment-3961279

L264[17:55:17] <Althego> yes, but the login doesnt work, so you cant download it

L265[17:55:26] <Mat2ch> ah, the store is down

L266[17:55:35] <Althego> and this is the reason, why i download everything

L267[17:55:43] <Althego> of course i have a backup isntaller too

L268[17:56:12] <Althego> i cant imagine what they are doing

L269[17:56:17] <Althego> onless some db broke

L270[17:56:26] <Althego> and they are trying to fix it

L271[17:56:35] <Althego> because there was no backup

L272[17:58:04] <Althego> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/202012-when-can-i-re-download-ksp/&tab=comments#comment-3961279

L273[17:58:12] <Althego> oh wait i am dumb

L274[17:58:14] <Althego> this is the same link

L275[17:58:47] <Mat2ch> hrhr

L276[17:59:11] <Mat2ch> oh, loosing the database would be horrible (and somehow very funny :P )

L277[17:59:41] <Guest79212> DB went into orbit uh cloud

L278[17:59:50] <Mat2ch> and the cloud went up in smoke.

L279[18:00:01] <Mat2ch> I hope they didn't store the data in the OVH computing center :D

L280[18:00:05] <Althego> remember the datacenter fire some time ago?

L281[18:00:09] <Guest79212> 😂

L282[18:00:22] <Althego> no they didnt, because it would have died long time ago

L283[18:00:23] <Guest79212> Yeah i Just thought about it

L284[18:00:36] <Guest79212> Was in france

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L287[18:04:57] <Althego> wait, did i forget about tinfoil tuesday?

L288[18:05:26] <Mat2ch> yes

L289[18:05:49] <darsie> Tinfoil is a scam. It's all aluminium foil.

L290[18:06:15] <Althego> yes, only english speaking people call it like that

L291[18:06:21] <Althego> i call it alufólia

L292[18:06:28] <darsie> Alufolie

L293[18:06:31] <darsie> Zinnfolie

L294[18:06:33] <Mat2ch> Exactly

L295[18:06:49] <Althego> it is in the name what it is made of

L296[18:06:50] <darsie> Very old ppl might say Stanniolpapier.

L297[18:06:54] <Althego> similar to pencil lead

L298[18:07:15] <darsie> Many ppl still say atom instead of tom.

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L300[18:07:23] <Althego> which is also not lead, but lead for english speaking people

L301[18:07:30] <Althego> hehe

L302[18:07:32] <darsie> Bleistift

L303[18:07:41] <Althego> so germans too

L304[18:08:17] <darsie> Im Bleistift ist eine Mine.

L305[18:08:27] <darsie> Im Bleistift ist eine Mine aus Graphit.

L306[18:09:50] <darsie> graphein means to write.

L307[18:32:42] <Althego> heh there are already rumor about zen 5. not even zen 4 is more than a trickle of information, possibly a year away, and i doubt anything about zen 5 is real

L308[18:33:17] <darsie> zen?

L309[18:33:24] <Althego> amd architecture

L310[18:33:30] <darsie> .

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L314[18:55:00] <Deddly> OK so the reason why the video of the helicopter was low framerate is because Perseverance doesn't have a video camera. It was taking still images in burst mode. Interesting

L315[18:56:15] <Althego> i was hoping for a few pictures and they made a video, i quite happy with the low framerate too

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L325[20:03:10] <Deddly> Yeah, amazing all round really. Can't believe they're not going to keep it and use it for scouting on this mission

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