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L13[03:50:45] <Althego> but sadly we have
to wait until sunday
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L15[04:04:38] <Solar_Oracle> Serious
question here. Why don't the Dragon spacecraft use the same-day
rendezvous trajectories as Soyuz?
L16[04:05:34] <Althego> even the soyuz
doesnt do that all the time
L17[04:06:19] <Althego> depends on payload
mass, actual iss phase, and of course rocket performance
L18[04:06:26] <Solar_Oracle> Yeah, but the
orbit module can also double as a bathroom.
L19[04:06:51] <Solar_Oracle> The only
privacy one gets in Dragon is in the comfort of one's
Depends.
L20[04:06:52] <Althego> which is something
they would rather not use
L21[04:07:17] <Althego> at least i heard it
mention in one video that the iss toilet is better
L22[04:08:22] <Althego> hah, scott 45
minutes ago
L23[04:08:34] <Althego> i think there was a
scott video about the short iss rendezvous
L24[04:09:08] <Solar_Oracle> From what I
understand, the same-day rendezvous is pretty standard for the MS
Soyuz. Excepting that one time that one MS decided to end its
mission in a single day.
L26[04:10:23] <Althego> there must be an
explanation in there
L28[04:16:02] <Solar_Oracle> There doesn't
seem to be a reference to why Dragon et al don't do it. Perhaps
insufficient flight confidence?
L29[04:17:03] <Althego> yes, this is half
of the explanation. how soyuz does it. but why dragon doesnt
L30[04:17:10] <Althego> that latter part is
missing
L31[04:17:33] <Althego> there is one
sentence at the end that americans are ok with th longer ones for
now
L32[04:18:22] <Althego> it seems ultimately
it is not only the performance of the rocket but the rocket and
spacecraft avionics too which needs to do these computations on its
own
L33[04:18:54] <Solar_Oracle> Noooo! There's
no closed-captioning on this one!
L34[04:19:22] <Solar_Oracle> I don't have
time to listen to the whole thing! That's precious time I could be
spending listening to memes!
L35[04:19:37] <Althego> i usually do with
double speed
L36[04:21:02] <Solar_Oracle> You young'uns
and yer fancy time compression! Back in mah day, we couldn't hear
sound when we fast forwarded on the Vee-See-Arr.
L37[04:21:21] <Althego> i didnt even have a
vcr
L38[04:21:33] <Althego> not in the 80s when
it was big
L39[04:22:02] <Solar_Oracle> You were
probably one of those pre-Hipsters with the Beta Max, then!
L40[04:22:44] <Solar_Oracle> And I swear to
Jeb, if I hear one more person go, "Ackshually, Beta Max was
better", I'm going to squish their head in with a car
door.
L41[04:22:52] <Althego> hehe
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L43[04:23:52] <Althego> in the cowboy bebop
episode when they want to get the device to play a video
tape...
L44[04:24:34] <Solar_Oracle> The episode
that started most of the modern Beta Max apologetics, I
reckon.
L45[04:24:35] <Althego> but at that point
it is unused technology and they have to go to ruined earth to get
it. just to get the wrong type, and the casette doesnt fit
L46[04:25:15] <Solar_Oracle> In the future,
cassettes are LostTech.
L47[04:26:02] <Althego> and rightfully so.
linear search time
L48[04:26:08] <Althego> even disks are
btter
L49[04:27:10] <Althego> but the best way to
do it is without moving parts
L50[04:28:22] <Solar_Oracle> Instead of
imprinting data on to large sheets of paper that have to be
manually scrolled, it is best to cut them and attach them to a
central spine as separate pages.
L51[04:28:40] <Althego> yes, books instead
of scrolls
L52[04:28:53] <Solar_Oracle> Though you
really can't make books out of certain materials, like
papyrus.
L53[04:29:42] <Solar_Oracle> And until you
get paper, making a book might require slaughtering a large number
of animals and processing their flesh into writing material to
appease the patron deity of forbidden knowledge.
L54[04:30:10] <Althego> yes pergamen was
not feasible for large quantities
L55[04:31:50] <Solar_Oracle> The future of
data storage will be humans kept in a vegetative state and used as
living founts of knowledge. Like mentats that can't talk
back.
L56[04:32:07] <Althego> inefficient
L57[04:32:43] <Solar_Oracle> Hey, if it
worked for the Matrix!
L58[04:32:58] <Althego> it didnt
L59[04:33:02] <Althego> was a dumb idea
anyway
L60[04:33:21] <Althego> and it was power
generation or something
L61[04:33:43] <Solar_Oracle> It was
originally intended to be brains for processing power, but the
studio decided living batteries were easier to understand.
L62[04:33:56] <Solar_Oracle> From a certain
point of view, the machines were merely Rogue Servitors.
L63[04:34:23] <Althego> i heard about this.
slightly better with the processing
L64[04:34:33] <Althego> but still doesnt
work for me
L65[04:34:46] <Althego> willing suspension
of disbelief stops
L66[04:35:43] <Solar_Oracle> Honestly, the
movies would've been better if the whole Machine vs. Human war was
the lie and the machines simply created the illusion that they were
using humanity for nefarious purposes so outliers who couldn't
stand their artificial utopia would have an outlet for their
behavior that kept them away from the Biotropies.
L67[04:35:58] <Solar_Oracle> Or, better
yet, if the, "real world" was just another
simulation.
L68[04:36:19] <Althego> i watched only the
first movie
L69[04:36:22] <Althego> wasnt
impressed
L70[04:36:26] <Althego> never watched the
others
L71[04:36:31] <Althego> which are said to
be worse
L72[04:37:21] <raptop> The sequels should
count as being about as canon as the animatrix
L73[04:37:46] <Solar_Oracle> 2nd
Renaissance was pretty brutal.
L74[04:38:01] <raptop> well, yes
L75[04:40:17] <Solar_Oracle> I can only
imagine how bad the 2nd Enlightenment will be.
L76[04:42:47] <raptop> I hope you like your
light to be 1.1732 and 1.3325 MeV gammas
L77[04:43:12] <raptop> hrm, probably too
obscure
L78[04:43:16] <Althego> yes
L79[04:43:35] <raptop> Cobalt-60 puts out
two gammas when it decays, see...
L80[04:44:15] <Solar_Oracle> And I only now
found out why the last battle in The Expanse was so confusing.
There was another MCRN corvette in the same class as the
Rocinante.
L81[04:45:43] <Solar_Oracle> Or vaguely
similar.
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L84[05:06:12] <Althego> oh an event
horizon
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L89[06:37:12] <Althego> hehe, i know only
few words of russian, but i could understand "stop"
L90[06:37:46] <flayer> hah yeah
L91[06:42:34] <Althego> yametekudastop
:)
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L94[07:25:51] <raptop> bad dog
L95[07:26:28] <flayer> the way she reacted
from start to finish was beautiful
L96[07:26:59] <flayer> from the closed eyes
and scrunched up face and running after it as she did
L97[07:27:57] <Althego> meanwhile crew-2
dragon is approaching the iss
L101[07:39:21] <raptop> ...
L102[07:39:36] <Althego> i think i
mentioned it, but not sure
L104[07:48:43] <Althego> if it works on
mars, it should work on venus too
L105[07:55:03] *
raptop imagines trying to fuel a CO / O2 rocket hanging from
balloons on Venus
L106[07:55:14] <Althego> would totally
work
L107[07:59:35] <raptop> It's physically
possible, sure. The engineering would be very Fun I expect
L108[08:01:56] <Althego> i dont know why
there isnt more buzz around co rocket on mars
L109[08:02:01] <Althego> sounds stupid at
first
L110[08:02:10] <Althego> but the whole
fuel and oxidizer is free
L111[08:02:32] <Althego> could use it at
least to get stuff into orbit
L112[08:06:31] <Althego> oh no. dad in
about 5 hours. that will probably conflict with the chicken
L113[08:08:59] *
raptop seems to recall seeing somewhere that botan is also a
dad
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L115[08:24:32] <Althego> hmm, whole bunch
of launches coming up next week
L116[08:27:43] *
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L117[08:27:54] <Althego> dont do
that
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L122[08:56:55] <Althego> it seems docking
is a matter of minutes now
L123[09:04:57] <Althego> the soyuz has all
those data readouts for the docking, spacex could do better than
this
L124[09:11:46] <Althego> time to have a
nap before the chicken strikes
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L131[11:41:03] <Althego> while i was
sleeping the hatch was opened
L132[11:42:07] <Althego> but where is the
chicken
L133[11:43:24] <umaxtu> in my belly!
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L135[11:47:35] <Althego> there is a small
crowd up there now
L136[11:49:05] <Mat2ch> aren't they all
waiting for the new module to get more sleeping space?
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L138[11:49:21] <Althego> isnt it a
sciencem odule?
L139[11:49:27] <Althego> nauka or
something
L140[11:49:37] <Althego> a bit late
addition, seems to be a waste?
L141[11:49:58] <Althego> unless the
station ipoerates until 2030
L142[11:51:16] <Althego> hehe despite its
name it will be also a rest area
L143[12:04:21] <Althego> i guess no
chicken
L144[12:04:30] <Althego> good, no parallel
streams then
L145[12:08:29] <umaxtu> what
chicken?
L146[12:08:40] <Althego> the phoenix
L147[12:16:13] <umaxtu> I'm still
confused. are you talking about stratolaunch?
L148[12:16:19] <Althego> no
L149[12:16:43] <Althego> meanwhile i found
a tweet from half a day ago, the afternoon stream is
cancelled
L151[12:42:31] <Althego> maybe ksp2
will
L152[13:07:55] <Althego> guh
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L159[16:02:47] <namedomran> hi
L160[16:02:50] <Mod9000> Hello,
namedomran
L161[16:03:29] <UmbralRaptop> \o
L162[16:03:39] <FLHerne> Hey
L163[16:05:27] <namedomran> i actually
used to spend a lot of time here back around ~2012 so this is the
first time i've joined in like, 8-9 years
L164[16:06:09] <namedomran> anyways i was
having an issue with a mod and was wondering if anyone here knows
what i'm talking about
L165[16:06:51] <namedomran> the ckan
version of procedural parts seems to be broken with 1.11, you
basically can't expand the tanks at all beyond the size they start
with, even in sandbox
L166[16:07:08] <namedomran> idk if anyone
else has experienced this or knows a fix
L167[16:07:15] <FLHerne> Welcome back then
:-)
L168[16:07:47] <namedomran> thanks
L170[16:09:22] <FLHerne> > make sure
under the "Advanced Tab" that "Parts Upgrade"
is green or else it won't show the bigger parts upgrades.
L171[16:12:22] <namedomran> thanks
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L180[18:24:05] <Mat2ch> Althego: the KSP
video there... that's all nice and all. Looks great. But does the
engine handle 10k part ships?
L181[18:24:07] <Mat2ch> :D
L182[18:26:26] <darsie> Mat2ch: Does your
engine? :)
L184[18:30:37] <Mat2ch> darsie: I'm
driving a turbo diesel. There should be around 10k parts to keep it
running...
L186[18:32:34] <Althego> something is
coming up
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L188[18:41:00] <Althego> oh i think this
is the usual hour long thing they have, i might even watch it this
time, not too late for a satuirday
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L195[19:48:50] <darsie> Althego: The
traffic lights didn't turn red and the warning didn't blink:
"Overhight must turn"
L196[19:49:10] <Althego> just like for the
previous one
L197[19:49:23] <Althego> maybe the
detector is off or misaligned
L198[19:49:37] <FLHerne> I remember when
people thought that warning sign would be the end of the
channel
L199[19:49:51] <FLHerne> And then when
they thought raising it by 8" and adding a bright yellow bar
would be
L201[19:50:58] <Althego> i think the
shuttle still has bigger payload volume
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L203[19:53:32] <FLHerne> Definitely
not
L204[19:53:56] <umaxtu> maybe a longer
payload bay?
L205[19:54:04] <FLHerne> Starship's
payload bay is about the same length as Shuttle's, and more than
twice the diameter
L206[19:54:15] <Althego> same
length?
L207[19:54:40] <umaxtu> are going to lose
some useable volume due to the way the nose opens
L208[19:55:01] <Althego> maybe the same
volume
L209[19:55:08] <flayer> sigh
L210[19:55:09] <Althego> but it must be
shorter
L211[19:55:11] <FLHerne> Shuttle is longer
by 1m
L212[19:55:44] <FLHerne> 18.3m to
17.2
L213[19:56:49] <Althego> i was just
wondering
L215[19:56:56] <Althego> if the iss is
decomissioned
L216[19:57:04] <FLHerne> Which leaves
space for deployment, vibration etc
L217[19:57:08] <Althego> can they use
starship to build a new one cheaper
L218[19:57:14] <Althego> of similar sized
moduels fit in there
L219[19:57:27] <FLHerne> Whereas 18.3m is
the size of the Shuttle bay itself
L220[19:57:28] <Mat2ch> darsie: that's
true, but as a truck driver you should read the height signs and
know the height of your truck and not rely on traffic lights and
other warnings.
L221[19:57:29] <Althego> maybe because of
the nose part they would be shorter
L222[19:57:32] <Althego> but wider
L223[19:57:34] <FLHerne> So almost
identical in usable length
L224[19:57:57] <flayer> there needs to be
an international effort to begin building infrastructure in
space
L225[19:58:02] <Mat2ch> Althego: with
Starship they could build a hotel in orbit in a few month...
L226[19:58:05] <FLHerne> Althego: Nearly
4x the volume?
L227[19:58:10] <FLHerne> It's twice the
diameter
L228[19:58:14] <darsie> Maybe
"WARNING - LOW BRIDGE - CHECK HEIGHT" would help.
L229[19:58:17] <Althego> the thing is,
they have to start building the next station as soon as possible
before iss goes down
L230[19:58:19] <FLHerne> Less a bit
because of the taper
L231[19:58:29] <darsie> Or just "LOW
BRIDGE - CHECK HEIGHT"
L232[19:58:31] <flayer> whats going to
happen once we lose the iss?
L233[19:58:44] <umaxtu> darsie, that works
real well for the bridge formally known as 11'8"
L234[19:58:44] <Mat2ch> flayer: nobody
knows.
L235[19:58:51] <Althego> the chinese are
going to have ione and nobody else would
L236[19:59:20] <flayer> we should all work
together on a moon station
L237[19:59:42] <Althego> maybe the
russians want to get out, to get some money by selling the parts to
nasa, and with that money investing in a chinese-russian
station
L238[20:00:14] <Althego> at least they
mentioned wanting to work together with chine for reachibng the
moon
L239[20:01:46] <Mat2ch> the Russian
segments will be very old in 2024
L240[20:01:49] <Mat2ch> they are already
falling apart
L241[20:02:03] <Althego> and that is why i
dont understand why they launch the nauka
L242[20:02:06] <Mat2ch> Russia will
probably not create another space station for some time
L243[20:02:12] <Althego> why not keep it
and add it to something new
L244[20:02:28] <Mat2ch> maybe that part
will be move to the chinese site. And Nauka should already be paid
for.
L245[20:02:53] <Althego> why wasnt there
no static fire?
L246[20:03:04] <Althego> phoenix is
coming
L247[20:03:06] <Mat2ch> Althego: Russia
has a GDP less than Italy. They just don't have the money
L248[20:04:00] <Althego> kikkerikii
L249[20:04:14] <Althego> but i am not
going to watch monster hunter reise
L250[20:05:23] <Althego> anyway i really
hope spacex can do the hop next week and finally stick that
landing
L251[20:06:03] <Mat2ch> road closure
scheduled for Monday. Static fire probably.
L252[20:07:42] <Althego> yes but they were
planning to do this this week
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