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L17[05:56:14] <raptop> Althego: OH:
ホロ鳥は食べ物じゃない
L18[05:56:38] <raptop> (for full context,
picture an angry duck saying that)
L19[06:00:34] <Althego> i dont know what
this is
L20[06:01:14] <Althego> meanwhile war
criminal denies allegations of appearing in isekai anime
L21[06:01:59] <raptop> Conversation between
subaru and reine, with subaru arguing that holobirbs aren't
food
L22[06:02:25] <Althego> ah is that when
reine teaches her indonesian
L23[06:02:29] <raptop> yeah
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L29[07:30:18] <Deddly> Isn't inginuity
going to be tested like right now?
L30[07:31:16] <Althego> suposedly
L31[07:31:29] <Althego> conference in
almost 3 hours
L32[07:31:39] <Althego> i guess they need
to get back the data and look at it
L34[07:31:55] <Althego> could be it already
landed
L35[07:32:07] <Althego> 30 sec flight
L36[07:32:45] <Deddly> Looks like it
already picked up a lot of dust on the solar panels. Hopefully will
be able to shake that off
L37[07:33:07] <Althego> yes, somehow it was
like that after the first day
L38[07:33:16] <Althego> i thought only moon
dust is static
L39[07:33:55] <Deddly> Maybe it wasn't
fully protected from the environment on landing
L40[07:34:10] <Althego> that cover looked
solid
L41[07:34:18] <Deddly> I never saw the
cover
L42[07:35:07] <Deddly> I guess it'll take
some days to download video of the flight, too.
L44[07:36:10] <Deddly> Nice images of the
deployment :)
L45[07:36:13] <Althego> but before this two
things were shed from the rover
L46[07:36:20] <Althego> one flat plate for
something
L47[07:36:34] <Althego> and one black box
that covered the helicopter
L48[07:36:52] <Deddly> I'm sure you're
right.
L50[07:38:28] <Deddly> If it falls over on
landing, I wonder if Perseverance can put it back on its feet
L51[07:39:07] <Althego> it has an arm so
maybe
L52[07:39:10] <Deddly> That's a pretty good
protective box.
L53[07:39:41] <Althego> but there was
something about if it flips then it is a loss because there is no
recovery mechanism
L54[07:39:44] <Deddly> And looking at the
beginning of that video, it doesn't look like the box is full of
dust
L55[07:45:55] <Althego> the articles are
not saying the same. maybe the flight really is in a few hour
L56[07:45:56] <Althego> s
L57[07:49:35] <Deddly> NASA's own website
says the flight was planned for 3:30 EDT, which is 8:30 UTC, but
the press release won't take place for a couple of hours
L58[07:49:53] <Althego> but they also say
live reaction
L59[07:50:08] <Althego> maybe they need to
wait for a satellite pass
L60[07:50:13] <Deddly> Perhaps reaction to
images?
L61[07:50:40] <Deddly> If they have to wait
for a satellite pass, why plan the flight for that time, I
wonder?
L62[07:50:51] <Althego> environmental
conditions
L63[07:50:58] <Althego> they want high
pressure and low wind
L64[07:52:59] <Althego> anyway we cant
explain this discrepancy
L65[07:55:45] <Deddly> Maybe they just
don't want to get up so early ;)
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L68[08:35:10] <Deddly> LOL
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L77[09:45:19] <Althego> 30 minutes until
stream
L78[09:46:56] <flayer> nice
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L80[10:16:02] <Althego> it is on
L81[10:16:06] <Deddly> Woo
L82[10:25:38] <Althego> 85% chance of
flight with the workaround
L83[10:30:13] <prefixcactus> when will they
start receiving the actual data?
L84[10:30:41] <Althego> they mentioned it
earlier, was 3x
L85[10:30:48] <Althego> but i dont remember
:)
L86[10:30:57] <Althego> so at most 30
minutes
L87[10:30:58] <Althego> 10
L88[10:31:00] <prefixcactus> I suppose the
flight (or non-flight) is already taking place on Mars
L89[10:31:14] <Althego> yes as the articles
said, it happened hours ago
L90[10:32:03] <prefixcactus> oh, hours
even
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L92[10:32:47] <Althego> i cant help it, i
always find the voice of this guy funny
L93[10:32:49] <prefixcactus> so there are
additional delays on top of the transmission itself?
L94[10:32:53] <prefixcactus> true
L95[10:32:56] <Althego> like some cartoon
character
L96[10:33:47] <Althego> so probably what
happened they were waiting for an orbiter pass
L97[10:34:03] <prefixcactus> oh, that makes
sense
L98[10:34:03] <Althego> usually there is
one link per sol
L99[10:34:34] <Mat2ch> First delivery by
SpaceX to Mars: Satellite network. ;)
L100[10:34:40] <prefixcactus> it's weird
to see all the people wearing facemasks on top of respirators
L101[10:34:43] <Althego> we need
that
L102[10:34:43] <Mat2ch> and they will make
them pay!
L103[10:35:18] <Althego> them?
L104[10:35:20] <Althego> the
martians?
L105[10:36:42] <Althego> 3 m hover, with
martian gravity, even if it fails on top, it might survive
L106[10:38:00] <Althego> hehe meanwhile
canberra is sending to voyager 2
L107[10:38:20] <Althego> looks like madrid
is going to take mro data
L108[10:38:58] <prefixcactus> while the
fall shouldn't damage the innards, it could end up upside down
and/or damage the blades
L109[10:39:09] <Althego> yes
L110[10:39:25] <Althego> should have sent
a kerbal
L111[10:39:31] <Althego> to repair
it
L112[10:39:36] <prefixcactus> kek
L113[10:40:04] <prefixcactus> hm, 2500 RPM
is on par with large earth-based quadcopters
L114[10:40:12] <Althego> looked like an
ubuntu on the laptop
L115[10:40:20] <prefixcactus> yep,
definitely
L116[10:40:33] <prefixcactus>
spacebuntu
L117[10:40:44] <Althego> 2500 rpm is
nothing
L118[10:41:06] <prefixcactus> it is
demanding for such rotor diameters
L119[10:41:35] <prefixcactus> the motors
should be totally ok with that, but the blades themselves must be
extremely meticulously balanced
L120[10:42:14] <Althego> i hope it also
imaged the rover too, just as the rover made picture while the heli
was hovering
L121[10:42:14] <Mat2ch> that shouldn't be
the problem
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L123[10:46:20] <Althego> processing
L124[10:47:28] <Althego> they are loking
at some web thingie?
L125[10:48:38] <Althego> unpacked image?
does that mean a success? would it take a shot if it didnt
fly?
L126[10:49:51] <Mat2ch> No idea
L127[10:50:29] <Althego> ah yes i forgot
about the dust
L128[10:50:39] <Althego> i wonder how long
such a helicopter could remain operational
L129[10:51:10] <prefixcactus> the speed of
those confirmations suggests they're decoding it on a PDP-10
:>
L130[10:51:18] <Althego> hehehe
L131[10:51:54] <prefixcactus> yay terminal
time
L132[10:52:05] <Althego> it flew
L133[10:52:38] <Althego> hehe it landed on
different altitude
L134[10:52:44] *
prefixcactus claps vigorously
L135[10:52:58] <Althego> which is ok with
a rough terrain
L136[10:53:10] <Althego> although it
shouldnt have moved
L137[10:53:29] <Althego> a shadow
L138[10:53:46] <Althego> so hhow doe sit
measur altitude? inertial? maybe the down looking camera too
L139[10:54:01] <prefixcactus> I thought
they have a radar/ultrasonic-type altimeter on it, which shows
terrain altitude
L140[10:54:46] <Althego> ah it has
something for that
L141[10:55:03] <Althego> it made a
movie
L142[10:56:36] <prefixcactus> Do they have
any GNSS-type sats around Mars?
L143[10:56:47] <Althego> no
L144[10:57:05] <Althego> they have
observation or observation and relay combos
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L146[10:58:18] <Althego> but if you want
to have position, from orbital images you can get coordinates
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L148[10:58:36] <prefixcactus> Althego:
where'd you get the graph? they didn't show it in my stream
L149[10:58:52] <Althego> they did
L150[10:58:56] <Althego> just for a short
time
L151[11:00:23] <Althego> anyway i would
have been interested in, what the cause of the altititude
difference was
L152[11:01:31] <Althego> sensor
hysteresis, ins drift, landing position difference, or some other
error
L153[11:01:56] <Althego> even if i say the
legs distorted a little, they would create higher altitude
L154[11:02:01] <prefixcactus> how much of
a difference is there?
L156[11:02:32] <Mat2ch> where do you see
the different altitude?
L157[11:02:53] <Althego> i though the 0 is
the starting point
L158[11:03:04] <Mat2ch> it's not :)
L159[11:03:19] <Althego> so then it was 0
when it was uninitialized
L160[11:03:43] <Mat2ch> just not logging
the data, I guess, because it knew it was on the ground
L161[11:03:55] <prefixcactus> looks like
it
L162[11:04:08] <Deddly> I would imagine
flat line = no data
L163[11:04:10] <Althego> null island
strikes on mars too
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L165[11:04:32] <Deddly> Also, that is so
cool. Can't wait to see the full video
L166[11:04:33] <prefixcactus> it appears
to have landed slightly lower than from where it lifted off
L167[11:04:46] <Althego> and that is
ok
L168[11:04:51] <Althego> because there was
some force on the legs
L169[11:04:55] <Althego> maybe they bent a
little
L170[11:04:57] <prefixcactus> by several
cm maybe
L171[11:05:02] <Althego> maybe there is a
rock at the measurement point
L172[11:05:14] <prefixcactus> probably the
legs just sunk into the dust
L173[11:06:04] <Deddly> Maybe a sandworm
ate it
L174[11:06:05] <prefixcactus> and/or there
was some buildup in the center due to airflow
L175[11:11:53] <Mat2ch> or the sensor
isn't as exact as you
L176[11:13:01] <Mat2ch> *as you
think
L177[11:13:08] <Mat2ch> I need a rice
cooker.
L178[11:14:19] <Mat2ch> Every time I
manage to boil it over and have to scrub the stove afterwards
:|
L179[11:14:42] <Althego> hehe
L180[11:14:47] <taniwha> too much water,
perhaps
L181[11:14:57] <taniwha> (should be 2x
rice by volume)
L182[11:15:39] <darsie> brb
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L184[11:16:01] <Deddly> It'll still boil
over if you don't turn down the temperature when it starts boiling
:)
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L186[11:16:23] <taniwha> a bit of oil,
heat, 1u rice, stir for a bit in hot oil, 2u water, lid, wait for
water to boil off. done
L187[11:16:58] <taniwha> (well, mostly
boil off, don't want to burn your rice)
L188[11:18:02] <Mat2ch> taniwha: no, I
just don't have the patience to wait until it boils and then turn
off the heat. Or sometimes I just forget...
L189[11:19:02] <taniwha> forgetting's
always a problem :/
L190[11:19:34] <Mat2ch> no patience and
then forgetting. :D
L191[11:21:38] <Mat2ch> but on the other
hand: Dinner is ready! ;)
L192[11:32:29] <taniwha> always a good
thing
L193[11:53:24] <Mat2ch> It was, it
was
L194[11:54:31] <Althego> put a camera
there, train an neural network to notice boiling water, use that to
notify you
L195[12:01:40] <Izaya> rice cooker is
probably cheaper and easier
L196[12:01:56] <Izaya> but if you're going
to do that have a little view of the camera as a dockapp on your
windowmaker
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L200[12:09:59] <prefixcactus> rice cookers
are nice
L201[12:10:25] <prefixcactus> especially
if they are of the multiprogram variety so that you could cook
other stuff in them too
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L203[12:11:16] <prefixcactus> we end up
only cooking rice in it anyway tho
L204[12:12:45] <Mat2ch> well, that's why I
would only go for the simplest ones with the magnet at the bottom
that switches them off :D
L205[12:13:09] <prefixcactus> kerbal
recipe: put rice in pan, stir in hot machine oil, put water in fire
extinguisher, put pan on top of mainsail, ignite
L206[12:13:36] <Mat2ch> uhh, puffed
rice!
L207[12:13:50] <prefixcactus> wait till
the dust settles, collect experimental data
L208[12:14:02] <prefixcactus> inspect
samples by chewing
L209[12:14:59] <Althego> hehe
L210[12:15:11] <umaxtu> hopefully the cat
didn't take a dump in the rice
L211[12:15:35] <prefixcactus> the cat will
not go to space today
L212[12:15:46] <JVFoxy> hopefully
cellphone didn't get forgotten in rice
L213[12:16:08] <prefixcactus>
!mission
L214[12:16:08] <LunchBot> prefixcactus:
You stir the tanks. Physics fails you, and you fall through the
floor.
L216[12:16:30] <Althego> oh no
L217[12:17:57] <JVFoxy> .. mental note:
make sure pot has lid on it at all times while having a cat
c_c;
L218[12:18:13] <umaxtu> lol
L219[12:18:32] <Deddly> !nextlunch
L220[12:18:32] <LunchBot> Deddly: Chicken
salad.
L221[12:18:42] <JVFoxy> mind you, my room
mates 5 cats, non of them cares to even go up on the stove
L222[12:18:46] <Mat2ch> .oO( I hate cats
sometimes )
L223[12:19:57] <JVFoxy> sister had a cat,
parents put a plastic cat turd on the stairs and tried to give her
a hard time about the cat making a mess... I hate my parents
sometimes.
L224[12:20:13] <umaxtu> wow
L225[12:20:27] <Althego> lol
L226[12:20:48] <Althego> entitled
parents
L227[12:21:24] <JVFoxy> sister didn't fall
for it though...
L229[12:24:49] <JVFoxy> I miss my little
fuzzies.. sadly, getting another is proven hard due to pandemic.
:(
L230[12:26:09] <umaxtu> mine are old now.
already had to separately rush them to the vet once each because we
thought they were dying.
L231[12:26:46] <Deddly> Althego, very
amusing
L232[12:31:53] <JVFoxy> mine passed a few
years ago. Was also same time a number of people I knew of who were
having pets pass on as well
L233[13:31:04] <Deddly> I love animals,
but that part destroys me
L234[13:33:00] <Deddly> I predict that
2025 will be the great petpocalypse
L235[13:33:28] <Deddly> (masses of people
got themselves pets during the pandemic)
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L237[13:38:31] <prefixcactus> there will
be several species-specific waves
L238[13:38:49] <prefixcactus>
!mission
L239[13:38:49] <LunchBot> prefixcactus:
You build a micro surfboard so you can surf the microwaves. Wernher
von Kerman orders Bob to buy him a dozen brattwursts on the way
back from the supermarket.
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L242[14:09:37] <Althego> actually where
was the horizontal picture from the drone? maybe they got it
now
L244[14:22:14] <Althego> the falcon 9 is
transported and handled horizontally. "why dont they
just" build a sort of car wash for it, rocket goes through and
a ring of sprinklers sprays water. would get rid of that ugly
soot
L245[14:23:46] <Deddly> I think they are
using the soot as a selling point right now. Soot means it is
reusable, and it's a reminder to everyone who sees it
L246[14:24:59] <Althego> spacex is like
tesla. they dont need ads
L247[14:25:19] <Deddly> Ingenuity's camera
must have a crazy fast shutter to capture the rotors so sharply in
that image of its own shadow
L248[14:25:38] <Althego> i was surprised
too
L249[14:26:30] <Deddly> Black and white,
low res also helps
L250[14:26:31] <Althego> but it is not
crazy high rpm, in the range a normal induction motor would
do
L251[14:26:53] <Deddly> What was it, 2500
RPM?
L252[14:27:31] <Althego> 2400
L253[14:27:51] <Deddly> Interesting. BBC
says 2500. The rotors are 1.2 metres long
L254[14:28:13] <umaxtu> BBC uses British
minutes
L255[14:28:17] <Althego> hehehe
L256[14:28:17] <Deddly> LOL
L257[14:28:37] <Deddly> I guess that 1.2
metres means from tip to tip
L258[14:30:05] <Deddly> That means the
tips of the rotors travel 3.77 metres per second
L259[14:30:28] <Deddly> Er no
L260[14:30:35] <Althego> wiki says 0.7
mach
L261[14:30:52] <Althego> but i dont know
the speed of sound in carbon dioxide
L262[14:30:53] <Deddly> 3.77 metres for a
single rotation, I meant to say
L263[14:31:56] <Deddly> It travels those
3.77 metres 2400 times per second
L264[14:32:51] <Deddly> Maths was never my
strong point, but doesn't that add up to over 9000 m/s?
L265[14:33:00] <Althego> rpm not rps
L266[14:33:10] <Deddly> Ah yes
L267[14:33:25] <Deddly> 150
L268[14:33:51] <Deddly> 540 KMH
L269[14:34:07] <Deddly> 336 MPH
L270[14:36:25] <Althego> that seems kind
of low
L271[14:36:37] <Althego> at least if i
compare to standard atmosphere air
L272[14:36:49] <Althego> but it is way
colder and carbon dioxide
L273[14:37:01] <Althego> i dont even know
how speed of sound changes with temperature
L274[14:37:41] <Deddly> I think
temperature only has an impact because it changes the air
density
L275[14:38:15] <Althego> seems to be a
function of square root of temperature. so yes it gets lower
L276[14:38:29] <Deddly> Google tells me
that the speed of sound on Mars is 240 m/s
L277[14:38:49] <flayer> but what is the
speed of your pants on venus?
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L279[14:38:58] <Althego> lol
L280[14:39:06] <Althego> what does that
supposed to mean
L281[14:39:12] <Deddly> flayer, they
dissolve at 5g/s
L282[14:39:16] <Althego> there isnt, they
evaporate
L283[14:39:29] <Althego> or yes rather
dissolve in supercritical carbon dioxide
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L286[15:32:22] <Mat2ch> Althego: the soot
is probably burnt into the paint
L287[15:32:29] <Mat2ch> so no easy
cleaning
L288[15:33:08] <Althego> hmm, can be,
after all it came from a fire
L289[15:33:34] <Mat2ch> I'm not sure if it
is the fire itself or the heat shield below that partially gets
ablated
L290[15:34:57] <Mat2ch> but they are
burning Kerosin there, which has Carbon in it, so it could be
unburnt Carbon that gets integrated into the paint
L291[15:35:43] <Mat2ch> (and if I read the
translation of soot correctly it is really meaning "Unburnt
Carbon"
L292[15:35:45] <Mat2ch> )
L293[15:36:31] <Deddly> If you watch video
from on-board the booster during re-entry and landing, you can see
that soot builds up on the camera lens during burns
L294[15:37:03] <Deddly> And since they are
running a ruel-rich ratio, there is a lot of unburned fuel
L295[15:37:03] <Mat2ch> that's true. And
somehow it gets removed, too. Some coating maybe?
L296[15:37:39] <Deddly> Perhaps it's soot
mixed with water vapour?
L297[15:38:13] <Deddly> They could also
have a transparent lens protector that rotates
L298[15:40:43] <Mat2ch> possible
L299[15:40:47] <Mat2ch> like F1 cars
;)
L300[17:06:40] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: At least
some of the soot comes off easily, the astronauts doodled white
marks on it with their fingers
L301[17:06:59] <Althego> hehe
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L308[18:02:36] <Althego> stream
started
L310[18:12:45] <Althego> also there is an
unrelated scott video
L311[18:28:22] <Althego> hmm, no color
image
L312[18:28:42] <Althego> lol they got an
aircraft designation
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L314[18:31:42] <Deddly> "like flying
3 times higher than the Himalayas" <-- Does that mean they
could take off from Everest and fly up to 24,000 m?
L315[18:32:07] <Althego> doubt it has
enough battery for that. also higher gravity
L316[18:32:53] <Deddly> Well, I meant the
altitude rather than actually being able to do that
L317[18:33:04] <Deddly> But year,
gravity
L318[18:33:07] <Deddly> yeah*
L319[18:33:14] <Althego> certainly
himalaya altitude and temperature is nothing to this
L320[18:33:30] <Althego> it may be
overpowered
L321[18:33:40] <Althego> can it be damaged
ffrom that?
L322[18:33:58] <Deddly> From what? I'm
behind on the stream right now
L323[18:34:12] <Althego> if we tried to
fly it from mount everest
L324[18:34:39] <Deddly> Can it be damaged
from being overpowered?
L325[18:34:43] <Althego> yes
L326[18:34:51] <Deddly> I would imagine
not
L327[18:34:52] <Althego> it is designed
for low pressure
L328[18:36:06] <Deddly> I suppose if they
spooled it up to max RPM and lift it could theoretically rip the
blades off
L329[18:38:13] <Althego> next flight on
thursday
L330[18:38:34] <Deddly> He says 2600
RPM
L331[18:43:13] <Deddly> Nice to see the
whole video. Will be cool when they get the rest of the frames and
the zoomed-in material
L332[18:43:38] <Althego> yes, that is
already a lot of frames
L333[18:43:43] <Althego> way more i hoped
for
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L337[19:16:24] <Deddly> It seems to me
that they god a lot more material in a shorter time than they did
from the landing
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L339[19:16:46] <Deddly> Perhaps their
uplink is faster now that the rover is fully deployed?
L340[19:16:50] <Deddly> got*
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L342[19:21:53] <Althego> what, 2026
lander?
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L347[19:39:26] <umaxtu> Althego, sample
return?
L348[19:39:38] <Althego> yes they
mentioned it
L349[19:39:44] <Althego> later
L350[19:40:00] <Althego> but as i said
some weeks (?) ago, it is not even named yet
L351[19:40:39] <Althego> the only thing
wiki knows of mars 2026 is a polar lander thing
L352[19:40:58] <Althego> but that is most
certainly something else
L353[19:41:15] <Althego> and it uses the
same base as phoenix and insight
L354[19:41:18] <flayer> maybe the spacex
thing can bring the lander into orbit around mars
L355[19:41:50] <Althego> there is a 2024
2026 spacex thing for mars, but i almost laughed about it being
manned
L356[19:44:02] <Althego> oh wait they are
not in order
L357[19:44:03] <Althego> lol
L358[19:44:12] <Althego> there are tweo
other mars things
L359[19:44:16] <Althego> one indeed is the
sample return
L360[19:45:23] <Althego> but the sample
return is still sketchy
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