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L4[02:45:36] <darsie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-sA3R4MWjA&t=63s Will astronauts on the Moon be able to kneel down on one knee and pick up stuff with a hand?
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L12[04:30:42] <Althego> soyuz is landing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXMyPe0hm60
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L26[07:26:00] <Althego> hehe, tsmc expects increased capacity for 2023. so shortages continue for 2 more years
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L29[08:03:22] <Althego> zombanwa
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L33[08:22:47] <Althego> 1 second
L34[08:22:54] <Althego> literally 1 second
L35[08:23:00] <Althego> that has to be the fastest ever
L36[08:26:36] <sandbox> ?
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L39[09:18:04] <Mat2ch> Althego: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-sA3R4MWjA
L40[09:18:15] <Mat2ch> have a look at the carefully selected SpaceX Starship images. :D
L41[09:18:51] <Althego> carefully selected not exploded?
L42[09:18:59] <Mat2ch> and if darsie appears, them em that the new NASA space suits should make it possible to kneel down
L43[09:19:02] <Althego> but at least they already have something while the others dont
L44[09:19:11] <Mat2ch> yup
L45[09:19:17] <Mat2ch> Showing a landed Starship
L46[09:19:24] <Mat2ch> not showing how it blows up minutes after that. ;)
L47[09:19:46] <Althego> that whole flip is not needed on the moon
L48[09:20:00] <Althego> so it doesnt matter that much
L49[09:20:02] <Mat2ch> and they will use smaller engines to land
L50[09:20:05] <Mat2ch> with much more control
L51[09:20:14] <Mat2ch> and have different landing gear on it
L52[09:20:21] <Mat2ch> and so forth.
L53[09:20:42] <Mat2ch> and SpaceX might show that Starship can go to orbit this year already.
L54[09:20:45] <Althego> it should be lighter anyway because no heat shield and no sea level engines
L55[09:21:00] <Althego> i think as soon as the booster is rested they could go into orbit
L56[09:21:05] <Althego> the problem is coming back
L57[09:21:06] <flayer> sigh
L58[09:21:39] <Althego> but the moon starship does not need that, so the hardest parts can be ignored
L59[09:22:24] <flayer> i just want the thing to be done
L60[09:22:49] <flayer> i want one put into orbit and sent to mars during the next window
L61[09:23:00] <Althego> that is possible
L62[09:23:15] <Althego> if it can land finally
L63[09:23:18] <flayer> what would be its cargo?
L64[09:23:23] <Althego> there is more than a year to go
L65[09:23:41] <flayer> maybe no cargo, just a test run?
L66[09:23:50] <Althego> it doesnt matter if it explodes or lands on mars, a loss anyway, so i would send it with dummy mass
L67[09:24:02] <flayer> then the window after that, send two of them
L68[09:24:10] <Althego> i am not sure if elon has opne more car for projects like this
L69[09:24:26] <Althego> or maybe a doge statue or something
L70[09:24:47] <flayer> they need to send one with a fuel refinery
L71[09:25:03] <Mat2ch> If you can send one to Mars, why not send useful stuff?
L72[09:25:11] <Althego> because it will be a los probably
L73[09:25:20] <Mat2ch> And packed in a way that it would survive even ah harsh landing
L74[09:25:22] <Althego> so why send valuable stuff that is then destroyed
L75[09:25:39] <Althego> spacex never tried to land on amrs
L76[09:25:40] <Mat2ch> Power drills, welding equipment, clothing, all not very valuable
L77[09:25:43] <Althego> as we know it is way different
L78[09:26:38] <Mat2ch> packed in a container like CASTOR and it should survive mostly.
L79[09:27:13] <Althego> what is castor
L80[09:27:18] <Mat2ch> not very valuable, no special developed high-tech equipment. Just regular stuff
L81[09:27:31] <Mat2ch> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_cask_storage
L82[09:28:19] <Althego> ok nice, it would maybe survive a crash landing. but how would people open it?
L83[09:29:27] <Mat2ch> With a big wrench.
L84[09:29:37] <Mat2ch> And another power drill they brought with them
L85[09:29:47] <Mat2ch> or a cutting torch.
L86[09:29:56] <Althego> hehe big wrench hanging there tied to it with a steel chain. open in emergency
L87[09:30:23] <Mat2ch> well, if you can get to it you will have some tools with you
L88[09:30:35] <Mat2ch> so opening shouldn't be the problem
L89[09:30:43] <Althego> but werent the tools supposed to be inside?
L90[09:31:51] <Mat2ch> You land succesfully on a second space craft and you bring the necessary wrench with you
L91[09:32:04] <Mat2ch> there's more inside than just tools. And having redundancy is nothing bad
L92[09:32:31] <flayer> i can imagine the first starship carrying a deployable payload
L93[09:32:43] <flayer> deploy it as you approach the planet, let the cargo land itself as they do the rovers
L94[09:32:48] <flayer> then see if you can land the empty rocket
L95[09:33:26] <Althego> deployable payload. you dont need to build a door and crane and deploy mechanism if the deployment is crashing :)
L96[09:33:48] <Althego> and you can reuse the steel for base building too
L97[09:33:56] <flayer> its hard to have the payload survive a crash
L98[09:34:12] <flayer> and an empty rocket is easier to land, might result in more useful data
L99[09:34:25] <Mat2ch> you can bring spare tires on the first launch. The surface on Mars is really bad for them...
L100[09:34:29] <Mat2ch> and boots. :D
L101[09:34:35] <flayer> than a crash with incomplete data transfers and no data after landing
L102[09:35:00] <Mat2ch> oh, nice idea.
L103[09:35:11] <flayer> Mat2ch, i think the main issue with the tires is their lightweight, not the surface or mars
L104[09:35:19] <Mat2ch> Land the empty thing, then deorbit the cargo to land nearby and have a look how the landing wet. ;)
L105[09:35:34] <Althego> you can look from orbit
L106[09:35:46] <Althego> the starship or wreckage would be highly visible
L107[09:35:55] <Mat2ch> closeups are so much better.
L108[09:36:08] <flayer> sampling the wreckage
L109[09:36:16] <Althego> yes, you obviously have to landa camera drone first to video the whole landing :)
L110[09:39:16] <Mat2ch> btw, KSP 1.11.2: They still didn't fix the career problem that the pilots have full control over the craft?!
L111[09:39:49] <Althego> obviously
L112[09:39:55] <Althego> it was a really tiny fix
L113[09:40:08] <Althego> they didnt even bother to update the dlc versions
L114[09:40:59] <Mat2ch> there's still a whole team working on KSP, isn't it?
L115[09:41:03] <Mat2ch> Or just one single dev left?
L116[09:41:17] <Althego> cant be one person
L117[09:41:28] <Althego> programming graphics, testing, etc all require different skills
L118[09:47:46] <Mat2ch> weeelllll
L119[09:47:55] <Mat2ch> I've worked on projects where this all was my part...
L120[09:48:40] <Althego> programmer art and programmer ui. you dont want to see those
L121[09:50:11] <Mat2ch> if the customers doesn't want to pay another person they have to take what I make. :D
L122[09:56:34] <Althego> our company works fast, cheaply and precisely. you can choose 2
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L124[10:14:37] <Mat2ch> that's how it is.
L125[10:32:48] <Althego> oh no. ovelapping phoenix and raeper
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L127[10:38:15] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: Honestly, that seems a low-prio bug, because you can just choose to not click the button
L128[10:38:55] <FLHerne> The only problem is your self-restraint :p
L129[10:45:15] <Mat2ch> darsie: ah, now you are here. The new NASA space suits are made to be very flexible, so it should be possible to kneel down with them.
L130[10:45:30] <Mat2ch> FLHerne: if the game offers it, I may use it. ;)
L131[10:45:39] <Althego> or rather they are not flexible, but have rotating joints
L132[10:45:51] <Mat2ch> It should be an easy fix as well, if they are using a vcs.
L133[10:45:55] <Mat2ch> And I hope they do
L134[10:46:00] <Mat2ch> and I hope they know how to use it.
L135[10:46:17] <Mat2ch> Althego: the suit is made to be flexible. ;)
L136[10:46:50] <Althego> i am still waiting for the mechanical counterpressure suits. more than 20 years and they are still not ready
L137[10:47:29] <darsie> cool
L138[10:55:53] <Mat2ch> Counter pressure suits?
L139[10:56:21] <Mat2ch> I would like to know why nobody uses unpressurized suits.
L140[10:56:38] <darsie> lol
L141[10:56:41] <Althego> because they are bad for you skin :)
L142[10:56:56] <Althego> you know all the streching as such
L143[10:57:02] <Mat2ch> Multiple layers of fabric, some cooling/heating lines in it, just the helmet has pressure.
L144[10:57:06] <darsie> Because without counterpressure your lungs would explode.
L145[10:57:19] <Mat2ch> The counter pressure could be done by the fabric.
L146[10:57:21] <Althego> you could just pressurize your head and lungs
L147[10:58:02] <darsie> Yeah, if you do that, the lung explodes.
L148[10:58:08] <Althego> the mechanical counterpressure works like this. air only for your head. everything else is a stretching fabric that exerts force on your skin like it was air pressure
L149[10:58:29] <Althego> so there is no force difference
L150[10:58:32] <Althego> yet it cant leak
L151[10:58:35] <Althego> relatively light
L152[10:58:38] <Althego> easy to move in
L153[10:58:51] <Mat2ch> almost all the scifi shows use them. ;)
L154[10:59:13] <darsie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_counterpressure_suit
L155[10:59:28] <darsie> They're tricky to make. Have to fit very well.
L156[10:59:52] <darsie> And you lose water as it evaporates.
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L158[11:25:22] <Mat2ch> why would you lose water?
L159[11:38:10] <Mat2ch> sooo, I did a thing. I looked through the recently closed bug reports and I only saw TriggerAu and victorr being active there.
L160[11:38:35] <Mat2ch> I saw RafaHdz in one report, but this could be a random user as well
L161[11:38:49] <Mat2ch> and a year ago chris.fulton closing a lot of reports.
L162[11:39:02] <Mat2ch> Could it really be that only TriggerAu is working on the game?!
L163[11:41:21] <Mat2ch> ah, VictorR and Rafa are both QA. Or were?
L164[11:41:47] <Mat2ch> Ah, Rafa write stuff.
L165[11:41:52] <Mat2ch> yeah, I'm stalking the devs ;P
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L167[11:44:31] <Mat2ch> And when looking at the staff page of the forum... something must have happend last year around March. Since then many of the devs haven't posted anything in the forum.
L168[11:44:58] <Mat2ch> TriggerAu and RoverDude are left. But RoverDude has a lot of mods to maintain
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L170[11:50:42] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1383375176985759747 22. April next Crew Dragon launch!
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L174[13:07:54] <Althego> kikkerikii
L175[13:08:53] <Althego> oh no, not only reaper but zombie too in around an hour. 3 streams are pushing my processing power
L176[13:30:54] <Mat2ch> Althego: you need more streams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRYEEepIMFs
L177[13:49:59] <Althego> i like that she is flying in the same capsule as her husband did
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L182[14:03:48] <Althego> zombanwa
L183[14:04:02] <Althego> guh
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L189[14:24:53] <Althego> it seems the reaper can sing well live too. so here tracks are not completely edited
L190[14:25:19] <Althego> somehow louder than a screaming zombie
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L257[19:57:03] <RoboFreak> scott about the spacex selection
L258[20:01:45] <Mat2ch> nice!
L259[20:02:10] <Mat2ch> New Nick, Althego?
L260[20:02:25] <RoboFreak> i still like the dynetics lander
L261[20:02:30] <RoboFreak> no, this is the secondary nick
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L263[20:12:07] <RoboFreak> at least the phoneix stopped the stream so i am down to zero. i can sleep
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