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L34[09:44:45] <Althego> hehe ollie wants to
learn to play guitar, so that she can simp with it
L36[09:48:37] <Mat2ch> We are going
extinct!
L37[09:48:45] <Althego> good
L38[09:50:10] <Althego> at least it solves
global warming :)
L39[09:51:02] <darsie> Mat2ch: When?
L40[09:51:31] <Althego> in the 22nd
century
L41[09:52:31] <darsie> I thought ob betting
against that, but can't think of a stable wager.
L42[09:53:08] <darsie> of*
L43[09:54:40] <darsie> 1/100 worth the
average human consumption.
L44[09:54:56] <darsie> monthly
L45[09:56:26] <darsie> What's Elon
Musks monthly consumption?
L46[09:56:52] <Althego> consumption of
what
L47[09:56:59] <darsie> total
L48[09:57:20] <Althego> food, energy?
oxygen?
L49[09:58:51] <darsie> food, air, fuel,
electricity, cars, medical, internet, phone, books, movies,
...
L50[10:00:19] <darsie> Stuff we all pay
with our income.
L51[10:00:22] <Althego> probably way high
in energy
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L53[10:00:45] <Althego> but you can only
eat so much food without getting fat, so he eats probably as much
as an average american
L54[10:01:37] <darsie> He might spend more
on cars, though.
L55[10:01:45] <Althego> probably doesnt
have much time to exercise, so oxygen consumption is below
average
L56[10:08:28] <Mat2ch> Probably exercises
when he is working...
L57[10:09:12] <Althego> or uses up energy
in big brain moves :)
L58[10:09:46] <Althego> 3 launches on
monday? maybe
L59[10:13:01] <packbart> so, we need to get
on with cloning. weird that it's still banned almost
everywhere
L60[10:13:15] <darsie> Liberlan ftw
:)
L61[10:13:19] <darsie> Liberland*
L62[10:13:51] <darsie> still not sure if
it's a scam.
L63[10:13:54] <Althego> didnt work out well
for the asgard
L64[10:14:22] <darsie> Thor, Loki,
etc?
L65[10:14:28] <Althego> in stargate
L66[10:14:33] <Althego> they had these
names though
L67[10:14:33] <darsie> ah
L68[10:14:45] <packbart> yeah, Star Trek
also has a few negative dreams of cloning (to the extent of
kidnapping Enterprise crew and kids). but eh, you'll never now
until you try
L69[10:15:12] <Althego> could work as a
stopgap, not longterm
L70[10:15:31] <darsie> Cloning is dumb.
Eugenics could be interesting.
L71[10:15:43] <Althego> you can
combine
L72[10:15:45] <packbart> only a stopgap is
needed. evolution will try something else but it needs time
L73[10:16:58] <packbart> all hail our new
plast-organic overlords
L74[10:17:08] <darsie> But you never know
if some gene might be useful some time, like sickle cell anemia
helps when you have malaria.
L75[10:18:21] <packbart> plastics came out
of the Earth, so they're quite naturally. Nature will find a
way to make use of it
L77[10:19:01] <darsie> Is cellulose a
plastic?
L78[10:19:15] <Althego> no
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L80[10:57:24] <Althego> i think it is a
polymer though
L81[10:57:33] <snow> it is
L82[10:57:46] <snow> and cellophane is a
plastic that's made from cellulose
L83[10:59:21] <Mat2ch> and as every other
plastic it's hard to recycle.
L84[10:59:26] <snow> although some sources
still classify it as "not a plastic becuase it's not made
from oil" and then going on about bioplastics
L85[11:07:02] <sandbox> life in plastic,
it's fantastic
L86[11:08:23] <Althego> come on barbie,
let's go party
L87[11:09:06] <Althego> but then what is a
plastic
L88[11:09:16] <Althego> surely it is not
just polymer
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L90[11:11:43] <snow> I don't think
there's a nice strict definition
L91[11:14:07] <snow> synthetic polymers
that can easily be produced in the desired shape? That seems to
roughly cover it
L92[11:16:04] <darsie> Mat2ch: In Austria
paper recycling is common.
L93[11:16:56] <snow> I think that was in
response to cellophane rather than cellulose
L94[11:17:03] <darsie> mhm
L95[11:19:11] <Althego> yay, got the
automatic... what is this called... self tax checking thing, but
now it is generated, and just have to check it
L96[11:27:13] <Mat2ch> darsie: I'm
talking about plastics and they are mostly burnt. :|
L97[11:29:26] <snow> tbf, for a lot of
plastics the big issue is not burning them hot enough
L98[11:38:20] <packbart> "When I am
puzzled by people's behavior, I always choose to interpret it
in a way that gives me the greatest faith in humanity" - well,
it's a start
L99[11:38:32] <Althego> hehe
L100[11:39:06] <Althego> and then you see
creationists, anti vaxxers, flat earthers, moon hoaxer, 911
truthers, and all thet faith goes into negative
L101[11:41:06] <darsie> UFOlogists
L102[11:41:29] <darsie> EM scare
L103[11:41:37] <Althego> ah 5g
conspiracy
L104[11:41:55] <Althego> andthey set 4g
towers on fire because they cant tell the difference
L105[11:42:09] <Althego> (i cant tell
either, but i dont want to set them on fire)
L106[11:42:29] <darsie> 24(?) GHz antennas
are small, I think.
L107[11:43:25] <Althego> they have to be
necessarily
L108[11:43:42] <sandbox> I don't want
to set the 4g towers on fire, I just want to start a flame in your
heart
L109[11:44:11] <Althego> maybe if you are
an "australian" phoenix :)
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L113[11:58:44] <packbart> their greatest
pop hit
L114[11:58:54] <Althego> yes i like
this
L115[12:08:55] *
darsie requests tiny fairings.
L116[12:09:11] <Althego> at least now
there are tiny solids
L117[12:09:38] <Althego> i hated to stack
dozens of sepratorns to deorbit spent stages
L118[12:10:01] <Althego> but what would
you put in that fairing?
L119[12:10:13] <Althego> a few components
fit there, maybe science?
L120[12:10:17] <darsie> An ant.
L121[12:10:22] <darsie> interstage
L122[12:10:40] <Althego> ah the ant doesnt
have that automatic interstage, looks bad
L123[12:10:47] <packbart> tiny probe cores
with teensy engines and cuteski tanks
L124[12:11:23] <darsie> I'm using
procedural fairings now, but they're tricky to get right
sometimes.
L125[12:11:54] <packbart> the KW Rocketry
Simple Fairing thingies are nice for some applications
L127[12:13:33] <packbart> but still their
smallest size 1.25m
L128[12:13:59] <Althego> looks like an
actual fairing
L129[12:18:21] <packbart> oh, it says
there are 0.625m fairings now. huh, I need to check my VAB
L130[12:19:34] <darsie> not here,
1.11.2.
L131[12:23:47] <Althego> kikkeriki
L132[12:24:05] <Althego> a chicken and a
sheep walk into a game
L133[12:38:26] <Althego> eh too late
L134[12:39:49] <Mat2ch> you missed 1337
hour
L135[12:39:54] <Althego> as usual
L136[12:40:21] <darsie> .
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L138[12:47:59] <Althego> stream or not, i
think i need a nap
L139[12:50:58] <darsie> I wish SAS would
not overshoot when using less than 100% RWs.
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L142[14:15:27] <packbart> use
MechJeb's ASS ;)
L144[14:16:23] <darsie> #ro ?
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L146[14:19:42] <darsie> I'm redoing
it cause my previous fairing kept breaking up during ascent.
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L148[14:49:37] <darsie> Ah, I think the
trick was to attach the engine to the top node, not the fairing
base. Still breaks up, though.
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L150[14:50:57] <JVFoxy> giving coffee to
kerbals a bad thing?
L151[14:51:27] <Izaya> darsie: engine
plate
L152[14:51:54] <Althego> kerbals herbals
tea
L153[14:53:38] <darsie> Izaya: what?
L154[14:54:01] <Althego> there is an
element called engine plate
L155[14:54:09] <Althego> honestly i found
that about useless
L156[14:54:21] <Althego> because i could
do the same thing with cubic...
L157[14:54:40] <darsie> What am I supposed
to do with it?
L158[14:54:44] <darsie> Put it in the
faring?
L159[14:54:47] <Althego> i dont know
L160[14:54:50] <Althego> mayb
L161[14:54:51] <Althego> e
L162[14:54:56] <Althego> i think it would
be possible
L163[14:55:01] <Althego> i dont knwo how
it would hel
L164[14:56:15] <darsie> I give up on that
fairing for now.
L165[14:56:34] <packbart> I like the
engine plates for multi-Terrier (or -Wolfshound) rockets. but yeah,
I don't see it helping with fairing breakage
L166[14:57:10] <JVFoxy> launching herbal
teas into space... lol
L167[14:57:26] <JVFoxy> re: engine plate,
aerodynamics?
L168[14:57:32] <packbart> Herbal, the
Kerbal
L169[14:57:46] <JVFoxy> long as its not
kerbal tea.. c.c
L170[14:58:03] <packbart> yes,
they're good for size adapters, too. put a 1.25m engine under
a 2.5m tank
L171[14:58:49] <Althego> our ludicrous
future
L172[14:58:57] <JVFoxy> I usually did the
pointed nose cone fairing thing on the sides with engines under,
but some recent flights, I'm starting to wonder if blunt ends
(forwards and aft) have a more serious affect than they used to in
previous versions
L173[14:59:30] <Althego> dont think they
changed that intentionally
L174[14:59:43] <Althego> but blunt ends do
have effects
L175[15:00:51] <JVFoxy> small craft, I can
get to orbit with tight DV budgets. 2300dv from launch. But
I've noticed with some of the bigger craft, where I've
ended up with flat aft sections, even with nearly 3000dv, it
won't make orbit
L176[15:01:41] <JVFoxy> when I did cap off
the ends, seems to have made a bit of a difference? (but not
enough) I usually just ended up doing a complete redesign
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L178[15:03:32] <Izaya> darsie: engine
plates upside down can act like more rigid fairings for inter-stage
use
L179[15:03:53] <Althego> upside down
L180[15:03:55] <Althego> interesting
L181[15:04:03] <darsie> hmm
L182[15:04:18] <Izaya> alternatively, turn
on inter-stage nodes then slap a fairing around the whole
thing
L183[15:04:55] <darsie> An engine plate
can act as a fairing?
L184[15:06:06] <JVFoxy> allows for extra
mounting points, one part instead of multiple blocks..
L185[15:06:20] <Izaya> anything can act as
a fairing if you're brave enough
L186[15:06:55] <darsie> Maybe if space is
heavily warped.
L187[15:06:57] <JVFoxy> that space shuttle
rear engine mounting plate though... I kinda get it, but beyond
shuttle stuff, more just a pretty part?
L188[15:16:42] <Mat2ch> so, uh,
there's the Eve fly by mission coming up.
L189[15:16:49] <Mat2ch> And then it's
orbiting
L190[15:17:11] <Mat2ch> and probably the
landing. But nobody talks about getting back ;)
L191[15:17:31] <Mat2ch> And yes, I like to
get back with three kerbals. And it usually drives me
insane...
L192[15:17:43] <darsie> Are there return
missions from any surface?
L193[15:18:02] <Mat2ch> no, there is no
official return mission afaik.
L194[15:18:12] <Mat2ch> This would make 90
% of the players rage quit...
L195[15:18:28] <darsie> Why? It's
easy for many surfaces.
L196[15:18:39] <darsie> And ppl don't
have to accept such contracts.
L197[15:19:09] <Althego> i suggest command
chairs for the return craft
L198[15:19:26] <darsie> It was considered
irl.
L199[15:19:38] <Althego> as a backup. from
the moon
L200[15:19:46] <darsie> yes. To the
command module.
L201[15:21:03] <darsie> I liked the idea
of attitude control with body weight shift. :)
L202[15:21:14] <flayer> /me is a
moon
L203[15:21:17] *
flayer is a moon
L204[15:21:32] <flayer> wow, why is it so
cold here
L205[15:21:41] <darsie> Where?
L206[15:21:48] <flayer> in my home
L207[15:21:57] <darsie> Cause it's
winter.
L208[15:22:08] <flayer> its warmer
outside
L209[15:22:14] <darsie> Open the
windows.
L210[15:22:30] <darsie> 3.7 C in
Vienna.
L211[15:22:45] <Mat2ch> darsie: iirc you
have to make the official contracts to advance further
L212[15:22:51] <JVFoxy> command chair =
seat surfing a rocket.. hmmm
L213[15:22:56] <Mat2ch> we just had snow
fall here
L214[15:23:01] <Mat2ch> and now sunny with
7° C...
L215[15:23:42] <JVFoxy> rain'n
here
L217[15:23:56] <JVFoxy> though wish we got
more snow :(
L219[15:38:24] <Althego> still doesnt look
like the dragon
L220[15:39:02] <packbart> not much snow
this year, though we did still have -4°C this night
L221[15:39:11] <Althego> exactly
L222[15:39:17] <Althego> it snowed a bit
today though
L223[15:39:38] <Althego> i guess we got
the leftovers from austria
L224[15:40:11] <Althego> maybe starts to
get better by easter
L225[15:40:52] <packbart> Hamburg never
gets the good stuff, only soggy snow and little of it. it was
different in 2010, I could walk on the lake.
https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/alstereis/
L226[15:41:39] <Althego> the intersting
part in the renders is, they are not from spacex, but nasa
L227[15:42:52] <sandbox> it's been
sunny here the past few days
L228[15:43:00] <Althego> sunny and
cold
L229[15:43:06] <Althego> i want warm
weather
L230[15:43:22] <sandbox> it's warmer
here than it is down south
L231[15:43:24] <Althego> luckily i go out
only 3 times a week. because of the virus
L232[15:45:06] <packbart> about the same.
I'm in the office on Monday and Thursday and to the
supermarket on Saturday
L233[15:46:00] <Althego> i go in once a
month for paperwork
L234[15:46:09] <Althego> the hazardous
trip
L235[15:46:18] <Althego> otherwise i go
out for food
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L244[16:00:15] <darsie> Why is it counting
down? Is this live? Doesn't say live.
L245[16:00:39] <darsie> Hmm, waiting for
stream begin?
L246[16:01:37] <Althego> as if you havent
seen youtube before
L247[16:01:45] <Althego> yes it is
counting down until stream start
L248[16:01:57] <Althego> they are going to
move the soyuz around
L249[16:02:11] <JVFoxy> so we going to
have an overlap of two dragon2 ships docked to the ISS? Next one
set to launch in april, but the one up there isn't set to come
down till May?
L250[16:02:23] <Althego> since each ship
is a lifeboat too, it must be done with full crew that used it go
go up
L251[16:03:01] <Althego> there is always
an overlap with crew handover
L252[16:03:22] <JVFoxy> speaking of
lifeboats.. station was going to get something of the like years
back but the project was canceled if I recall for some
reason?
L253[16:03:51] <umaxtu> money
L254[16:03:52] <JVFoxy> they going to
retire launching crew up with soyouz now or?
L255[16:04:32] <Althego> mostly because of
political reasons
L256[16:04:50] <Althego> since spacex is a
bit cheaper, but starliner is a bit more expensive
L257[16:04:57] <Althego> comparede to the
soyuz
L259[16:05:07] <JVFoxy> soyuz and dragon
going to be shuttling people up and down together or you think
there'll be a shift to the US launches only now?
L260[16:05:29] <Althego> this thing looks
like the dreamchaser
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L262[16:05:37] <Althego> and if we are
lucky w can still see that fly
L263[16:05:47] <Althego> without people
first
L264[16:06:51] <umaxtu> now I'm
picturing a Honda CRV docking to the ISS
L265[16:06:58] <JVFoxy> lol
L266[16:07:06] <JVFoxy> better not be a
reliant robin then
L267[16:07:18] <JVFoxy> no thanks to Top
gear
L268[16:07:23] <Althego> with reliant
engines? :)
L269[16:08:09] <JVFoxy> engines? uff..
more like one, and it still be way too overpowered
L270[16:08:38] <Althego> hehe kerbal tech
in real life
L271[16:08:56] <Althego> probably separate
kerbal team doing the assembly and maintenance on it
L272[16:09:03] <JVFoxy> could probably get
away with using the ant engine for launching a reliant robin to
space
L273[16:10:19] <JVFoxy> repurpose a large
propane tank and couple of amateur built rockets as SRBs
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L275[16:11:20] <Althego> command seat to
orbit
L276[16:11:31] <Althego> similar to the
chinese rocket chair myth
L277[16:11:34] <Izaya> hey
L278[16:11:35] <Althego> just full to
orbit
L279[16:11:57] <Izaya> would a reliant
robin be exempt from aerospace laws in the UK because it's
technically a motorcycle?
L280[16:12:52] <Althego> lol
L281[16:13:22] <Althego> the kid with the
bicycle in e.t. when they were flying. would they be?
L282[16:14:07] <JVFoxy> which aerospace
laws?
L283[16:14:36] <JVFoxy> since we going
down that track, what about super heroes with strong throwing arms?
What if they were to throw stuff into space for ya?
L284[16:14:52] <JVFoxy> granted.. would
have to get around that whole air friction problem.
L285[16:16:58] <JVFoxy> ok.. replace super
hero with magnetic rail space launching system half buried into the
side of a mountain. It's just a heat resistant command chair
pod thing.
L286[16:17:46] <packbart> is it a bird? is
it a plane? if not, it's illegal for it to be flying
L287[16:18:22] <darsie> Do balloons
fly?
L288[16:18:45] <packbart> according to
ballon enthusiasts, no
L289[16:18:53] <Althego> what about the
flying superheroes?
L290[16:19:15] <packbart> need a license
and take off and land at designated airfields
L291[16:19:22] <darsie> Or flying
supervillains? :)
L292[16:19:27] <Althego> no, balloons dont
fly, because those are aerostats
L293[16:20:15] <JVFoxy> ... so throwing a
rock is illegal over there?
L294[16:20:25] <JVFoxy> balloons
float...
L295[16:20:40] <JVFoxy> if you wanna get
'technical' ^_^
L296[16:21:03] <JVFoxy> airship... as in a
ship that floats on water.. but anyways.. I digress...
L297[16:21:19] <sandbox> do floats
float?
L298[16:22:21] <Althego> i think the
airship thing originally cam from the belief, that water and air
have a surface, there sail the ships. and there should be a layer
where air and fire meet, and you could sail there too, that would
have been the airship
L299[16:22:31] <Althego> current airships
are luke submersibles, not boats
L300[16:22:34] <JVFoxy> rootbeer
floats..
L301[16:22:35] <Althego> *like
L302[16:22:39] <JVFoxy> well ice floats
but anyways
L303[16:23:03] <Althego> and somehow
nobody ever tried to sail on the boundary of earth and water
:)
L304[16:23:12] <Althego> sounds like a
kerbal thing
L305[16:23:16] <Althego> we must do it,
now
L306[16:23:31] <JVFoxy> no but there was a
time when landyatchs were a thing.. they sorta 'floated'
across the ground cuz of some funky suspension (cars)
L307[16:24:07] <JVFoxy> oh wait.. you said
earth and water.. lol... not earth and air..
L308[16:25:39] <JVFoxy> Althego so like
driving on the bottom of the ocean sorta thing?
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L310[17:15:02] <Althego> they managed to
not capture the moment of the docking on camera
L311[17:15:09] <Althego> everything before
and after
L312[17:16:46] <darsie> They won't
show you as they switch studios ;).
L313[17:16:53] <Althego> hehe
L314[17:17:33] <darsie> <mrdata->
yeah the contact was made while they were in handover i guess
L315[17:18:02] <darsie> Radio handover, I
guess.
L316[17:19:55] <Althego> better to
handover than to have hangover :)
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L318[17:30:32] <darsie> Don't fall
out the Mars transfer window ;).
L319[17:33:06] <darsie> New KSP startup
pun: Falling out the Duna transfer window :)
L320[17:34:28] <Althego> trip over the
karman line
L321[17:34:49] <raptop> Please ignore all
the bodies I've thrown off the kuiper cliff
L322[17:35:02] <Althego> (as in stumbling
in a wire)
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L331[19:11:08] <Althego> what about
it
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L339[23:58:42] <flayer> i want to make a
boat
L340[23:59:25] <raptop> [rich cat meme]I
should make a boat