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L53[06:27:11] <Althego> starlink launch
postponed. i knew it, i had broken silicon to listen to from
yesterday, and got a flat earth video too
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L77[10:54:58] <Althego> or at least
ansible
L78[10:55:43] <Althego> the only problem
with ftl that it is against causality
L79[10:55:59] <Mat2ch> why?
L80[10:56:19] <Mat2ch> you are just faster
than light, but you still need time
L81[11:01:11] <Althego> that is equivalent
of time travel
L82[11:04:37] <Mat2ch> Not really
L83[11:04:49] <Mat2ch> You are neither
moving forward nor backward in time
L84[11:05:08] <Mat2ch> except if you tie
time to light speed.
L85[11:10:55] <packbart> the sight of the
fireworks you set off near Centauri will only reach Earth after
your return
L86[11:11:22] <Althego> which would change
the order of cause and effect
L87[11:11:36] <packbart> I don't consider
that much of a problem ;)
L88[11:12:57] <packbart> I can drop stones
into a lake, then jump in a car and be at the other side before the
waves arrive
L89[11:29:42] <Althego> i think it is not
so simple
L90[11:29:53] <Althego> but anyway, elon
was talkative about starship a few hours ago
L91[11:29:58] <Althego> (on twitter)
L93[11:32:02] <Mat2ch> But you can make the
same argument about the speed of sound.
L94[11:32:38] <Mat2ch> If you set off a
firework, then go supersonic you can hear the boom twice.
L95[11:33:13] <Mat2ch> They will stick to
landing those things, because there are no nets or bouncy castles
on Mars.
L97[11:34:35] <darsie> You can hear a
bullet impact before you hear it being fired.
L98[11:34:52] <Althego> yes that was my
biggest problem. maybe the martian starships are going to have
optional landing legs
L99[11:35:16] <darsie> Doesn't mean it
impacted before being fired.
L100[11:36:20] <Mat2ch> yep
L101[11:36:24] <Mat2ch> that's how I see
FTL
L102[11:36:26] <Mat2ch> travel
L103[11:36:47] <Althego> unfortunately
light travels with the speed of causality in this universe
L104[11:37:13] <Mat2ch> only if you think
in Einstein. And there are additions to it that changes this
L105[11:37:49] <Mat2ch> Take Horizon
Mechanics. Then the speed of light is set by how fast you can move
in the quantum vacuum
L106[11:37:58] <darsie> Or that the impact
caused it to be fired.
L107[11:38:27] <Mat2ch> actually it's
worse. The quantum vacuum dictates that nothing goes faster and
therefore you can't accelerate anymore
L108[11:39:04] <Mat2ch> in horizons: If
you move fast, there's a horizon behind you and that defines what
kind of information can reach you
L109[11:39:13] <Mat2ch> the faster you go,
the fewer information can reach you
L110[11:39:27] <Mat2ch> and at light speed
the horizon goes to infinite size
L111[11:39:42] <Mat2ch> so no information
can reach you, therefore you can't accelerate further
L112[11:40:29] <Mat2ch> But if you can
somehow get the quantum vacuum to change this speed or even better
just ignore it, you can go faster than light.
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L115[12:37:15] <Althego> (local) leet
time
L116[12:41:48] <darsie> .
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L118[13:05:36] <Althego> kikkerikiii
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L121[14:10:02] <Althego> the puns
L122[14:14:27] <Mat2ch> ouch
L123[14:15:09] <Mat2ch> oh, wow, they are
moving fast with SN11. Pressure test done, Raptors installed
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L127[14:25:54] <prefixcactus> raptop: are
you installed?
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L135[14:29:43] *
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L136[14:31:06] <Mat2ch> We could fill you
with some hydrogen and see what happens!
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L138[14:32:27] <Mat2ch> Hey, all my mixes
are on that!
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L141[15:07:47] <Althego> do kerbals know
fire? they dont know about wheels in the beginning. so maybe they
only know of fire in rocket engines too?
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L144[15:12:51] <darsie> The launch pad may
catch fire without rocket engines.
L145[15:13:35] <Althego> maybe every time
they need fire, they set the launchpad one fire with rockets and
rebuild it later
L146[15:19:03] <darsie> Hmm, no luck so
far.
L147[15:23:21] <darsie> yep, worked.
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L149[15:32:31] <JVFoxy> wee...?
L150[15:33:57] <Althego> zy?
L151[15:34:32] <JVFoxy> wondering why one
design got to orbit like crazy, and another, with the same parts
but oriented differently, struggled quite a bit.
L152[15:34:48] <JVFoxy> well ok... nearly
same parts.
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L154[15:36:18] <JVFoxy> First one is a
pair of boosters on either side of a vac-engine core. Similar setup
to the Titan III rocket but with LF boosters instead of SRB.
L155[15:37:22] <JVFoxy> second test was
just as a single stage with the two engines below the vac-engine.
Mind you.. angling the tanks and not haven enough parts count meant
I couldn't do nose cones on the tops of the tanks
L156[15:40:55] <prefixcactus> JVFoxy:
oriented differently... do you mean, like, pointed at the ground?
:D
L158[15:42:13] <prefixcactus> the second
one looks like it should have way less TWR at liftoff than the
first one
L159[15:43:34] <Althego> no, not
really
L160[15:43:40] <Althego> the vacuum engine
doesnt do much
L161[15:43:41] <JVFoxy> Same TWR.. first
one is better by 0.01 lol, cuz of the truss I used in the second to
make the two sides of the booster connect
L162[15:44:09] <JVFoxy> I don't fire the
terrier engine till I'm already way up anyways
L163[15:44:50] <JVFoxy> The Titan III
fired its massive SRBs only as its first stage. I don't remember if
it hot staged the second/core stage after.
L164[15:47:07] <JVFoxy> Orbit mun mission.
But I wanna have some additional fun. stage 1 pad and VAB, assemble
stuff in low kerbin orbit (robotic) then send it over.
L165[15:56:30] <JVFoxy> of course.. now I
got a usable tug. A redesign of my relay sat to make it
lighter?
L166[15:56:35] <JVFoxy> or something
else
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L169[16:03:41] <Althego> skyrora. another
small rocket startup
L170[16:04:00] <Althego> now i have to
watch these too
L171[16:04:33] <Mat2ch> .oO( how many
bankruptcies do you want? - Yes. )
L172[16:04:39] <Althego> hehehe
L173[16:04:46] <Althego> maybe they are
going to make it
L174[16:05:14] <Mat2ch> well, in Germany
they would've been told to get some experience first to get an
investment. So 50 years of making rockets.
L175[16:05:59] <Althego> hehe
L176[16:06:01] <Althego> 50
L177[16:06:21] <Althego> even the job
hunting is a joke. you need experience but how do you get it if
they dont want to hire you?
L178[16:06:27] <Mat2ch> yep
L179[16:06:36] <Mat2ch> I have something
even better
L180[16:06:39] <Mat2ch> wait, let me find
it :D
L183[16:07:35] <Althego> there is the joke
about the ideal priest. he is in his 20s, and has 40 years of
experience, he is active in his area, yet he can always be found in
church. etc
L184[16:08:36] <Mat2ch> Like that one job
advert from IBM, where they looked for someone with 5 years
experience in a tool/software-thing that only existed for 2
years.
L185[16:09:17] <Althego> hehehe 4 day
weekend
L186[16:09:17] <umaxtu> that sounds like
an IBM thing. Do they still fire people for cashing their paychecks
at liquor stores?
L187[16:09:39] <Althego> hehe even the
voice
L188[16:10:04] <Mat2ch> If I had to work
at IBM, I would cash my paycheck at liquor stores as well.
L189[16:10:11] <Althego> lol
L190[16:10:25] <Mat2ch> tbh paychecks?
Don't you have bank accounts and bank transfers and stuff?!
L191[16:10:34] <Althego> must be soem
american thing
L192[16:10:44] <UmbralRaptop> direct
deposit, yo
L193[16:11:35] <Mat2ch> almost nobody gets
payed in cash here anymore. Everyone needs a bank account (which
makes it hard for some people to get their payment, because no bank
wants them anymore. Ah, the fun stuff you have to deal with in
life)
L194[16:11:41] <Althego> anyway the german
thing was hilariously accurate
L195[16:11:47] <Mat2ch> OH YES
L196[16:11:55] <Mat2ch> It hurt a bit
watching it
L197[16:13:34] <JVFoxy> News reporter: how
many rockets you wanting to launch into space? Elon: Yes!
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L199[16:13:50] <Althego> that is not even
interesting
L200[16:13:58] <Althego> how many rockets
do you want to blow up?
L201[16:14:00] <Althego> yes
L202[16:14:16] <JVFoxy> well.. basically
saying 'all of them'
L203[16:14:26] <JVFoxy> monoplize it
all!
L204[16:14:50] <JVFoxy> If we could put a
giant engine on our planet, move it around instead... hmm
L205[16:14:55] <Mat2ch> To company 1: You
send all the sats
L206[16:15:00] <Mat2ch> To company 2: And
you all the cargo
L207[16:15:12] <Mat2ch> To company 3: And
you all the astronauts
L208[16:15:19] <JVFoxy> oh wait.. they
sorta did that in The Expanse.. well giant astroid station into
Venus but anyways
L209[16:15:24] <Mat2ch> To campany 4: And
you are in charge of blowing things up.
L210[16:15:37] <Mat2ch> *company
L211[16:15:55] <JVFoxy> no.. lets go with
'campony' instead.. makes it more fun
L212[16:16:07] <JVFoxy> ... lol..
campany.. oh whatever
L213[16:16:46] <JVFoxy> people enjoy
blowing things up too much in KSP, you'd think it spilled out into
the real world a bit
L214[16:19:04] <Althego> that is waht i
was talking about. 3/3 prototypes, all in pieces
L215[16:19:08] <JVFoxy> eh.. struggling
with stupid headache so might get a few wires crossed
>_<
L216[16:20:41] <JVFoxy> I don't know..
this whole throwing a rocket at Mars, hoping it land on its butt
intact after a rather violent flip over. Is the full scale going to
do it slower? Even considered the forces on the passengers
inside?
L217[16:21:23] <Althego> it is full
scale
L218[16:21:56] <Althego> i doubt it is
worse than a roller coastr
L219[16:22:33] <JVFoxy> mind the
bump...
L220[16:22:48] <JVFoxy> rather be thrown
out in one of them Halo Drop pods to be honest
L221[16:23:01] <Althego> at the moment it
doesnt look safe at all
L222[16:23:18] <Althego> and there are
also the pressurization problems
L223[16:23:48] *
JVFoxy sees leaning rocket, go home, your a little
tipsy..
L224[16:24:22] <Althego> if the mun
version has separate landing engines, why cant it land on its
side?
L225[16:24:34] <Althego> would be lot
safer
L226[16:24:51] <Althego> unless they want
the landing engines to run on the same fuel
L227[16:24:52] <JVFoxy> belly flop..
L228[16:25:01] <JVFoxy> would need some
way to stand it up again to launch maybe?
L229[16:25:06] <Althego> because
supposedly the exhaust velocity is so high it sends lunar dust into
robit
L230[16:25:30] <Althego> why? just launch
on the landing engines
L231[16:25:40] <JVFoxy> starship mun
edition? Weren't they going to stick those up higher on the
body?
L232[16:26:21] <JVFoxy> I"m guessing
landing that way would be difficult due to space, weights and
balance issues
L233[16:26:40] <JVFoxy> landing
vertically, everything ends up all in a line down towards the
bottom
L234[16:28:32] <JVFoxy> if it were me
though, I'd rather a separate ship do the landing instead.
L235[16:28:41] <Althego> that adds
complexity
L236[16:28:50] <Althego> but yes, a tried
and tested method
L237[16:29:01] <Althego> same for going to
mars
L238[16:29:06] <Mat2ch> the main engines
could have too much thrust for a slow landing on the Moon
L239[16:29:08] <JVFoxy> it was one fo the
original ideas they wanted to go with for the Apollo era.
L240[16:29:16] <Althego> why exactly do
you need to take the empty fuel tanks to mars?
L241[16:29:23] <JVFoxy> Thing is, you
trade complexity for focused purpose
L242[16:29:37] <Mat2ch> and the belly flop
will be much more violent with the rcs thrusters.
L243[16:29:51] <Mat2ch> Althego: to fill
them up there.
L244[16:30:02] <JVFoxy> fuel farm on
Mars?
L245[16:30:07] <Mat2ch> The first
starships to Mars will be a fuel farm
L246[16:30:12] <Mat2ch> so you need tanks
anyways. :D
L247[16:30:22] <Althego> i think zubrin
had the idea with a mini starship inside the cargo bay of a
starship
L248[16:30:26] <Althego> and only that
would go to mars
L249[16:30:38] <JVFoxy> person: We need
tanks on mars! gamer: so.. Battlezone?
L250[16:30:46] <Althego> world of
tanks
L251[16:30:53] <JVFoxy> more like worlds
of tanks.. c.c
L252[16:31:25] <JVFoxy> spinning habitat
ring made of fuel tanks. Ya.. whatever happened to that ol' shuttle
era idea?
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L263[18:07:42] <flayer> nice, my
lander/rover combo has 2000 dv in vacuum
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L267[18:16:53] <JVFoxy> weeee
L268[18:16:56] <JVFoxy> so...
L269[18:17:05] <JVFoxy> uh...
L270[18:18:22] <UmbralRaptop> LKO → Minmus
sample return?
L271[18:18:25] <JVFoxy> ya, net stuff.
finding out a website hasn't been revived, but then finding out
there's another 'hub page' to these HF SDR sites I didn't know
about originally.
L273[18:28:34] <darsie> Maybe mun.
L274[18:30:41] <JVFoxy> .... direct to
minmus launch?
L275[18:30:59] <darsie> Kerbin orbit
first.
L276[18:32:06] <darsie> Kinda pointless,
as it uses the Dawn, so you'll have been to Minmus long before
that.
L277[18:32:31] <darsie> But I like small
designs :).
L278[18:36:29] <umaxtu> darsie, then do I
have the car for you!
L279[18:36:45] <JVFoxy> lol
L280[18:36:50] <darsie> hehe. I'd like the
1000 mile Aptera, please :).
L281[18:37:01] <JVFoxy> smallest car in
the world, its a tire with just an axle..
L283[18:37:17] <Althego> wait
L284[18:37:33] <Althego> 4 wheels
L285[18:37:36] <Althego> i thought only
1
L286[18:37:38] <JVFoxy> umaxtu lol.. I
keep seeing that thing more as an armor quad bike
L287[18:37:51] <darsie> Aptera is 3
wheels.
L288[18:37:53] <umaxtu> Peel p50
then?
L289[18:38:18] <Althego> there was a c64
game i tried to beat a lot when i was a kid. some kind of caveman
was moving through a terrain with 1 wheel between his legs
L290[18:38:33] <umaxtu> that wasn't a
wheel...
L294[18:39:35] <Althego> lol
L295[18:39:41] <Althego> looks like a
shopped image
L296[18:39:47] <JVFoxy> no.. its
legit
L297[18:39:59] <JVFoxy> I've seen teh
video on it.. he based it on the batmobile for some reason
L298[18:40:03] <darsie> That guy looks a
bit like Carl Sagan.
L300[18:40:32] <Althego> super flat
L302[18:41:12] <JVFoxy> fastest furniture
stint
L303[18:41:38] <JVFoxy> oh wait.. its not
actually him driving it.. derp
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L312[20:26:23] <flayer> i seriously love
this rover/lander
L314[20:53:18] <umaxtu> flayer, so you've
set it free?
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L317[21:26:01] <flayer> woo, finally
recovered the rocket for my shuttle launcher
L318[21:35:48] <packbart> Kiss it and love
it and squeeze it and call it George
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