OCLogs: 2021-03-07.log

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L16[05:53:57] <raptop> Althego: Apparently teaching sharks german is surprisingly difficult?

L17[05:54:03] <Althego> and funny

L18[05:55:15] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhaiDN5EJWA

L19[05:55:33] <Althego> i would love to see this new station starting to grow on the iss

L20[05:58:21] <Althego> oh i forgot about event horizon. interesting, about planet 9 not existing. the two usual suspects think there is a few percent probability it doesnt exist. yet they didnt find it yet

L21[06:03:48] * raptop recalls seeing something on arχiv recently about how planet 9 is looking increasingly iffy

L22[06:07:00] <Althego> it would be nice if it existed. according to this guy they did some kind of bias analysis and it appears the apparent clustering may be a fluke

L23[06:12:38] <raptop> Too bad, it would be nice for the nearest super earth/mini neptune to be a few hundred to few thousand au out instead of a quarter million

L24[06:12:43] <raptop> (prox cen c)

L25[06:13:00] <Althego> still almost unreachable

L26[06:15:42] <Althego> it would take what, a decade to reach it (maybe 2, 3?), only for a flyby

L27[06:17:42] <raptop> something like that, though compare with New Horizons (launch + 8 years for the Pluto flyby, launch + 13 years for Arrokoth flyby)

L28[06:18:58] * raptop wonders how serious the ideas of sending a mission to the sun's gravity focus (550 au) are

L29[06:19:09] <Althego> would be a nice telescope

L30[06:19:50] <raptop> indeed

L31[06:20:00] <Althego> but there was an other idea, to use the refraction in the atmosphere of earth as a lense

L32[06:20:19] <Althego> that is probably easier to do, although it needs more computation

L33[06:20:20] * raptop wants to say that it had some problem

L34[06:21:28] <raptop> hrm https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.00490

L35[06:22:10] <raptop> If that gets built, the probability of Kipping using it to look for exomoons is 1.0

L36[06:22:38] <Althego> oh yes, what happened to that possible exomoon candidate?

L37[06:23:58] <raptop> The one with the 4 digit kepler number (1325b or whatever)? IIRC, it went away with more/better data

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L40[06:30:02] <raptop> ...on an unrelated note, I swear I saw a bird teaching a pirate indonesian

L41[06:30:15] <Althego> hehehe

L42[06:30:21] <Althego> was it a turkey?

L43[06:31:15] <raptop> yes

L44[06:32:36] <Ariri> https://i.redd.it/836fucscijl61.jpg

L45[06:32:41] <Ariri> wrong one

L46[06:33:19] <raptop> apparently bellies are lewd

L47[06:34:59] <Ariri> I thought I was sending this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/lziz1s/senchou_needing_some_assistance/

L48[06:35:08] <Ariri> that pirate can make anything lewd

L49[06:35:22] <Althego> hehe

L50[06:36:39] * raptop recalls seeing some height listing for hololive-EN and being confused at how short they all were

L51[06:38:40] <Ariri> The video montage of all of them has their heights I think too, Uriffereta or some song; some like Kaichou are giants in comparison

L52[06:39:00] <Ariri> Fukkireta?

L53[06:45:00] <raptop> Ariri: oh, right. Okayu's birthday is on cat day, which feels intentional

L54[06:46:10] <Ariri> Haha, nice. Their idol birthdays are probably based on something rather than being completely random, so it's likely

L55[06:47:06] <Althego> hehe they are mostly around 1.5 m. quite short

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L59[07:30:20] <Althego> hah found flat earth

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L62[07:40:20] <UmbralRaptop> low roughness earth

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L65[07:51:34] <Althego> at this point ftfe single handedly keeps the flat earth alive, just to make us laugh

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L80[14:02:24] <flayer> so, my solution for the solar station is to basically ensure i have a kerbin encounter every year or so

L81[14:02:49] <flayer> that way i can easily resupply/rotate crews and i'll make sure i won't drift from near kerbin solar orbit

L82[14:06:23] <Althego> doesnt that change the orbit every time?

L83[14:08:10] <flayer> yeah, i'm expending fuel to make it happen each time

L84[14:10:36] <flayer> hmm

L85[14:10:45] <flayer> maybe i'll just go for 'close approach'

L86[14:11:21] <flayer> have a close approach of less than 100,000 km

L87[14:12:10] <flayer> i'll have to get practiced at finding an encounter with the station to supply/expand it

L88[14:20:12] <JVFoxy> big solar station?

L89[14:24:28] <darsie> flayer: If you do that, the station could always stay near Kerbin. Some inclination, at Ap be outside Kerbin oribt, then drift below Kerbin, then at Pe inside Kerbin, then drift above Kerbin. A kind of Kerbin orbit.

L90[14:25:08] <JVFoxy> sort of 'halo' orbit

L91[14:25:54] <darsie> And long term stable, if you set the orbit period to 1 year.

L92[14:27:15] <darsie> You'd only need slightly less than escape velocity to reach the station. Preferably while at Ap or Pe, can launch to East that way. Navigation across SOI sucks, though.

L93[14:29:24] <darsie> This sounds like an interesting thing to do. I might do it.

L94[14:31:39] <JVFoxy> you do'n RS? 1 year.. kerbal or 1 year real scale?

L95[14:31:44] <JVFoxy> :P

L96[14:31:54] <darsie> I currently have stock.

L97[14:32:11] <darsie> RS? RSS?

L98[14:33:08] <darsie> I tried RO/RSS/RP0/1, but at some point it was always too unstable to play :(.

L99[14:41:55] <JVFoxy> aw

L100[14:42:13] <JVFoxy> I've wondered about trying RP0.. but whats diff between RP0 and 1?

L101[14:42:40] <JVFoxy> RO/RSS is Realisim overhaul and Real Solar system right? Basically same thing?

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L105[15:14:58] <darsie> RP1 is just a newer version of RP0, I think.

L106[15:15:20] <darsie> RO and RSS complement each other. They're different things.

L107[15:16:17] <darsie> I think RSS is just the solar system, while RO is parts.

L108[15:16:51] <darsie> They pull in some other mod dependencies/recommendations.

L109[15:18:40] <darsie> Will KSP2 give us more control about planets, so we don't need to tilt the solar system to get Earth axial tilt?

L110[15:24:05] <JVFoxy> ah ok got ya

L111[15:24:23] <JVFoxy> lol.. human scale stuff in kerbin scale world. whoops

L112[15:36:47] <JVFoxy> I forgot.. RP0/1 adds parts right?

L113[15:51:52] <umaxtu> I'm not sure if the RP0/1 mod adds any parts on its own

L114[15:52:51] <JVFoxy> oh which one had the sounding rockets then?

L115[15:53:34] <umaxtu> no idea

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L118[15:55:46] <JVFoxy> oh.. mod in itself

L119[15:56:02] <JVFoxy> I remember someone doing a playthrough video with RP0/1 or whatever and had started with them

L120[15:59:24] <darsie> I think RP is the tech tree, but it might be more.

L121[16:06:25] <Althego> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1368016384458858500

L122[16:06:28] <Althego> yes, make it adaptive

L123[16:07:11] <Althego> hehehe https://twitter.com/chicago_glenn/status/1368016608929714183/photo/1

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L127[16:09:49] <JVFoxy> lol.. guess one way of looking at it: https://twitter.com/i/status/1368219827895234560

L128[16:17:30] <umaxtu> clearly the raptors still need a ton of work

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L130[16:24:00] <Althego> at leaast they caught a new failurem ode

L131[16:24:15] <Althego> and the tank pressurization is still not fully solved

L132[16:25:27] <Althego> next week starlink 20, 21

L133[16:27:22] <FLHerne> Let's hope the Starlink endless postponement curse was lifted with -17

L134[16:27:56] <Althego> negative 17

L135[16:28:03] <darsie> .tget 1368016384458858500

L136[16:28:06] <darsie> !tget 1368016384458858500

L137[16:28:09] <Althego> no

L138[16:31:34] <Revelator> Considered trying Starlink, but meh

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L144[17:06:55] <Alanonzander> Revelator: I'd love to try starlink, probably better than what I can gwet currently.

L145[17:10:42] <Althego> in the middle of nowhere it beats everything else

L146[17:11:16] <Althego> not much use here. not to mention there are buildings all around

L147[17:15:33] <Alanonzander> I'm still waiting (knowing it won't ever happen) for the 768Kb DSL AT&T promised me back in 2000

L148[17:17:55] <Althego> hehehehe

L149[17:19:11] <Revelator> xD

L150[17:19:13] <Alanonzander> Charter (now Spectrum) said they would put in cable internet, if I footed the install bill (estimate was $50- 75K). I asked them if I would get exclusive access to that section, they said no. Told them if I footed the entire install bill, I woudl get exclusive access to it. Didn't go anywhere :(

L151[17:19:13] <umaxtu> oof

L152[17:19:47] <Althego> kind of insane. pay for all of it, but then you dont get all of it

L153[17:20:14] <Althego> it is amusing how usa has such a bad and expensive internet

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L155[17:25:03] <raptop> As best I can tell, things make sense in mid sized cities and nowhere else

L156[17:25:23] <raptop> The large cities don't have anything better in terms of price/service (and are sometimes worse), and the rural areas, well...

L157[17:27:27] <umaxtu> I can get gigabit fiber where I live for $70/mo but its AT&T

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L159[17:30:32] * raptop wants to say that comcast has something similiarish on offer here, but given the problems that some of my fellow students have with comcast...

L160[17:32:10] <umaxtu> plus, I'm living with my parents, so its not my decision and you can't truly use your own router with AT&T's fiber

L161[17:33:39] <Alanonzander> Correct. AT&T uses very "propritary" hardware, just so you "have to" get it from them.

L162[17:34:18] <Alanonzander> I buy access to AT&T wholesale for work, then sell it to people. Worst part is I can't sell it to myself. I do keep checking to see if/when that will change.

L163[17:34:59] <Alanonzander> Get this... Get their "broadband" product (vDSL) and if you cancel it (say 6month a year) you have to get a new AT&T modem when you re-activate it.

L164[17:36:18] <umaxtu> there are some methods to dump the certs needed, but I'm sure AT&T wouldn't be happy if they caught me

L165[17:36:46] <Alanonzander> umaxtu: that would lbe a "breech of contract"

L166[17:36:53] <Alanonzander> so ues :{P

L167[17:36:56] <Althego> hehe kiara would have needed to pay around 400 eur for 80 mbit lol

L168[17:37:05] <Althego> (she just sead it)

L169[17:37:07] <Althego> said

L170[17:37:31] <Alanonzander> truing T-Mobile's 5G Home i nternet right now. It has issues.

L171[17:37:35] <Alanonzander> *Trying

L172[17:38:04] <raptop> owch

L173[17:38:15] <Alanonzander> LAN: IPv4 -> T-Mobile's network (IPv6) -> Restoof internet (IPv4, mostly)

L174[17:38:41] <Alanonzander> VPN, VoIP, FTP don't work well.

L175[17:38:45] <Alanonzander> irf at all

L176[17:38:50] * raptop did do t-mobile tethering for everything for the first several months of the pandemci (that $50/mo plan that throttles to 3G)

L177[17:39:13] <Alanonzander> No throttle on the 5G Home Internet, No data cap.

L178[17:39:35] <Alanonzander> agreement says they "may throttle" if the load in the area is high.

L179[17:40:47] * raptop was absolutely getting annoyed texts from them when I went through more than ~80 GiB/mo though

L180[17:40:53] <Alanonzander> getting upwards of 50Mb/sec right now

L181[17:42:20] <Alanonzander> oh yes, and the "external" ip for http/https keeps changing. Makes for fun times on "secured sites" like online banking, or server management.

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L187[19:05:55] <darsie> https://gfycat.com/repulsiveorderlycoelacanth-australia-ksp The Australian Space Agency launches its first spacecraft GIF

L188[19:08:09] <Althego> hehe

L189[19:08:45] <Althego> this is why electron rockets go into orbit easily

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L199[23:39:11] <flayer> i have a space plane that can only barely fly on kerbin

L200[23:39:15] <flayer> it seems to be lacking thrust

L201[23:39:35] <flayer> do you reckon i will be able to fly it better or worse on laythe?

L202[23:40:01] <raptop> I'd assume that the lower gravity would help more than the lesser atmosphere would hurt

L203[23:40:12] <raptop> Hrm, how is it on wing?

L204[23:40:28] <flayer> its lift is the only thing keeping it in the air

L205[23:40:54] <flayer> the atomic engines just about push it over the edge on being able to lift off

L206[23:41:06] <flayer> (alongside airbreathing engines)

L207[23:41:27] <flayer> i think it will do loads better on laythe, i wonder if it may be able to reach orbit

L208[23:50:44] <flayer> especially if its not carrying the 1700dv science lander/rover combo

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