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L2[00:12:18] <QualifiedRaptop>
;mission
L3[00:12:19] <LunchBot> QualifiedRaptop:
Wernher claims to have a plan to turn the entire astronaut complex
into a rocket... Your skill at breaking KSP gets you invited to the
Experimental team.
L4[00:12:49] <QualifiedRaptop> The bot
appears to have left out several steps, unless I'm Wernher?
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L15[00:35:06] <Guest76694> I'm having
trouble transfering science data from an Experimental Storage Unit
to another ship. The ESU is on one of two ships that are both
docked to a station on different ports, and when I click the ESU I
get the prompt to click another part to transfer it to, but the
command module of the second ship doesn't light up ... in fact, no
other parts
L16[00:35:07] <Guest76694> light up. I've
tried putting a Kerbal on EVA outside the lander can with the ESU
on it, but when I open the PAW I don't get an option to get at the
data. Am I missing something?
L17[00:36:47] <umaxtu> PAW?
L18[00:38:13] <Guest76694> Part Action
Window - the one that opens up when you right click on a part
L19[00:38:18] <umaxtu> ah
L20[00:38:44] <umaxtu> I use the mod Ship
Manifest to move science around
L22[00:41:15] <Guest76694> I've heard of
that, but haven't loaded it. A couple days ago I had a similar
situation: data in one command module that I wanted to move to
another craft. I was able to park a Kerbal on the first ship,
transfer the data, then moved to the second ship. When the Kerbal
boarded the second ship, the data was transfered. I was expecting
to be able to do
L23[00:41:16] <Guest76694> something like
that here, but apparently no such luck. I wonder if it has
something to do with the data being in the ESU, and needing to go
into another ESU...?
L24[00:42:00] <umaxtu> maybe. I haven't
used the ESU much
L25[00:43:02] <Guest76694> I'll keep
playing with it ... maybe I have to send up another ship with an
ESU to take the data from the first one... oh well.
L26[00:43:02] <Guest76694> Thanks
anyhow.
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L30[01:31:36] <flayer> /me rescues two
pilots
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L36[01:53:45] <darsie> Some contracts
require pilots on board of space stations.
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L79[12:44:20] <minas_tirith> Hi darsie and
pizzaoverhead
L80[12:46:19] <pizzaoverhead> o/
L82[13:45:02] <flayer> hello
L83[13:45:03] <Mod9000> Hello, flayer
L84[13:54:13] <Mat2ch> Hello
L85[13:54:15] <Mod9000> Hello, Mat2ch
L86[13:54:24] <Mat2ch> Mod9000: My favorite
bot, how are you?
L87[13:55:57] <Althego> hehe
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L90[14:33:14] *
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L91[14:33:36] <Deddly> Hello Mod9000
L92[14:33:36] <Mod9000> How are
things?
L93[14:33:40] <Deddly> Good thanks
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L95[15:09:43] <Mat2ch> :D
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L97[15:31:26] <Deddly> I was going to make
some games for Mod9000. Shame I didn't get around to it
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L99[20:01:44] *** Server sets mode:
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L100[20:02:18] *
raptop recalls something where a descent (not landing) probe
successfully landed anyway because terminal velocity was so low.
Was that Venera 7?
L101[20:02:59] <Jovian_Oracle> Venera 7
did sort of work. Being on its side meant its signal was much
weaker than was hoped for.
L102[20:03:22] <Althego> this is what you
get from a supercritical fluid atmosphere
L103[20:03:39] <Jovian_Oracle> Next stop:
Jovian metallic hydrogen probe.
L104[20:03:51] <Althego> hehe
L105[20:03:59] <Jovian_Oracle> Where we're
going, we won't need parachutes to land.
L106[20:04:02] <Althego> with sample
return
L107[20:04:08] <Jovian_Oracle> Challenge
accepted.
L108[20:05:23] <dequbed> Sample return
while keeping the hydrogen metallic that is :p
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L111[20:27:14] <Althego> i slept through
curiosity's landing. i remember i was in geilenkirchen and working
hard on something. only next day noon i realized it happened
already
L112[20:31:28] <Jovian_Oracle> You missed
the aliens that NASA had to edit out in rebroadcasts then
L113[20:34:15] <Althego> hehe jpl and the
peanuts
L114[20:39:14] <esspapier> solar ejected,
we are nuclear nao
L115[20:40:18] <Jovian_Oracle> RTGs is
nuclear energy for peasants
L116[20:40:33] <Althego> it is more like a
slowly rechargin battery
L117[20:40:44] <mrBlaQ> yayayayayayayayay
there's gonna be a helicopter on marsss sooooooon
L118[20:40:52] <Althego> and microphone
too
L119[20:40:54] <goblin> cruise stage
separated
L120[20:41:14] <Jovian_Oracle> #Althego
Like the Energizer Bunny, but if it got really old and slowed down
because of plaque buildup in its arteries.
L121[20:42:53] <Althego> i am not a
channel :)
L122[20:43:20] <Jovian_Oracle> You're the
channel now.
L123[20:43:33] <Jovian_Oracle> Much like
I'll be the Senate with the next Stellaris release.
L124[20:43:39] <Althego> lol
L126[20:45:09] <Althego> btw no mohawk guy
this time
L127[20:46:05] <Jovian_Oracle> Or I
suppose I could be teh Crisis.
L128[20:47:06] <esspapier>
>preserverance is accelerating
L129[20:47:07] <esspapier> kek
L130[20:47:09] <esspapier> what a
lie
L131[20:47:11] <raptop> 5.4 km/s at entry
interface
L132[20:47:14] <Althego> i am egypt, the
morning of the evening star
L133[20:47:26] <raptop> I mean, it'll be
speeding up until it's a bit into the atmosphere
L134[20:47:42] <esspapier> na, space time
is bending
L135[20:47:49] <esspapier> preserverance
is just cruising
L136[20:47:55] <Althego> hehehe
L138[20:48:24] <goblin> I can't figure out
if the touchdown is scheduled 20:55 UTC, or the information about
touchdown reaching earth at 20:55 UTC
L139[20:48:28] <Jovian_Oracle> Yeah
L140[20:48:33] <Jovian_Oracle> I mean, did
it already land?
L141[20:48:47] <Althego> could you see the
plasma from earth with a big enough telescope? that there is
something landing?
L142[20:49:42] <Jovian_Oracle> Depending
on its angle off of Mars, maybe. It'd be awfully bright
L143[20:51:20] <Jovian_Oracle> Stop
shaking your leg
L144[20:51:51] <Jovian_Oracle> Inners
always messing things up.
L145[20:51:57] <Althego> will they try to
image the parachutes from orbit this time too?
L146[20:52:31] <raptop> THe 10 G peak
sounds like how I deorbit kerbals
L147[20:52:38] <Althego> hehe
L148[20:52:41] <raptop> I think so? Given
that MRO was getting data
L149[20:52:45] <Althego> that was one
critical point
L150[20:52:46] <esspapier> chute!
L151[20:52:54] <raptop> \o/
L152[20:53:30] <Althego> machine vision go
go go
L153[20:54:00] <Jovian_Oracle> So it
either landed or crashed by now. Or crash landed.
L154[20:54:26] <Jovian_Oracle> Or landed
awkwardly on its side and ended upside down like a tortoise on its
back.
L155[20:54:35] <raptop> Technically
Curiosity's first images were of a crash (of the skycrane)
L156[20:54:37] <Althego> hehe
L157[20:54:42] <Althego> cant really
L158[20:54:47] <esspapier> power descent
go go go
L159[20:55:35] <Althego> ohohoho
L160[20:55:49] <Althego> ok
L161[20:55:55] <esspapier> looking good
bois
L162[20:55:58] <Jovian_Oracle>
Technically, a crash landing is a descent powered by gravity.
L163[20:56:07] <raptop> \o/
L164[20:56:15] <Althego> hehe
L165[20:56:16] <Jovian_Oracle> Or retained
velocity from the orbital transfer.
L166[20:56:22] <goblin> \o/
L167[20:56:29] <Jovian_Oracle> This is why
they really should use a portal gun.
L168[20:56:32] <mrBlaQ>
yayayayyayayaayay
L169[20:56:48] <Althego> what's going on
:)
L170[20:56:52] <Jovian_Oracle> How many
experience points is that?
L171[20:56:53] <Althego> oh no that is
heyeyeye
L172[20:57:03] <Jovian_Oracle> Is there an
achievement?
L173[20:57:03] <Althego> none, didnt kill
anything
L174[20:57:22] <esspapier> maybe some mars
microbes?
L175[20:57:24] <Jovian_Oracle> Well
sometimes you get them for using skills. IE: Picking your nose
increases the lockpicking skill by one point per booger.
L176[20:57:25] <goblin> come on, it's not
D&D ;-)
L177[20:58:10] <esspapier> so who's going
to scoop up the poop from preserverance?
L178[20:58:11] <Jovian_Oracle> The use of
retrorockets should count towards the Acrobatics skill, unless they
removed it in this version
L179[20:58:24] <Jovian_Oracle> @esspapier
Probably no one in the near future.
L180[20:58:34] <Althego> and btw there
will be a full internal movie of the landing
L181[20:58:35] <esspapier> :/
L182[20:58:36] <Althego> with sound
L183[20:58:45] <Althego> and several
cameras
L184[20:58:49] <raptop> hazcam
images!
L185[20:59:09] <Jovian_Oracle> Sample
return from Mars is expensive, and I'm not really confident SpaceX
is getting there anytime within the coming decade.
L186[20:59:27] <Althego> but also not sure
they can do it this decade
L187[20:59:32] <Althego> the sample
return
L188[20:59:59] <Jovian_Oracle> Dear
Kraken, the Shadows are on Mars!
L189[21:00:18] <Jovian_Oracle> They said
we die if we went to Z'ha'dum!
L190[21:00:20] <raptop> If a rover sees
its shadow, does that mean 10 more weeks of winter?
L191[21:00:54] <Althego> hehe
L192[21:01:03] <Jovian_Oracle> If a rover
sees its Shadows, we should probably call Ambassador Kosh.
L193[21:01:10] <Althego> hehe
L194[21:01:28] <Jovian_Oracle> But then he
would just be all cryptic like and speak in stupid riddles.
L195[21:01:42] <umaxtu> B5 really?
L196[21:02:06] <Althego> really nice
landing system, too bad it cant be used for bigger loads
L197[21:02:08] <Jovian_Oracle> Would you
prefer something more obscure? Like Battletech?
L198[21:02:37] <Jovian_Oracle> Sadly, Mars
doesn't figure much into BattleTech, where much of Season 4 of
Babylon 5 took place on Mars.
L199[21:04:56] <Althego> i was close 20
seconds in the future compared to others during the landing
L200[21:05:04] <Althego> use the double
speed people
L201[21:05:21] <Althego> it eliminates
buffer and puts you to closer to real time
L202[21:05:29] <Jovian_Oracle> Just use a
wormhole and eliminate the time lag next time.
L203[21:05:47] <Althego> yes, open it
right next to the landing point and watch it with my eyes
L204[21:05:48] <Jovian_Oracle> That's what
I'd do if it weren't for the severe gravitational redshift giving
me cancer.
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L207[21:06:06] <Althego> how does redshift
give you cancer?
L208[21:06:38] <Jovian_Oracle> It shifted
so hard to red it went back to gamma rays.
L209[21:06:45] <Althego> hehe
L210[21:07:03] <Jovian_Oracle> The
electromagnetic horseshoe hypothesis is real.
L211[21:07:12] <goblin> lol through an
integer underflow? :-D
L212[21:07:49] <goblin> or maybe it's
cause it's 5G frequencies now?
L213[21:08:05] <Althego> i can understand
why they are on martian time for a solar powered vehicle, but why
for the rtg?
L214[21:08:50] <raptop> The cameras need
light
L215[21:09:02] <Althego> hehe i didnt
think of that :)
L216[21:09:22] <Althego> actually they do
earth like colored images during the night with white leds
L217[21:09:26] <raptop> And so while
they're not doing real time per se, my understanding is that the
actual delays tend to skew to hours
L218[21:09:35] <Althego> because then the
red haze doesnt interfere
L219[21:12:07] <Althego> do they know
where it landed?
L220[21:12:17] <Althego> or have to wait
for an orbital pass?
L221[21:12:35] <Althego> i mean the
orbiters were there so could have take nan image
L222[21:12:36] <goblin> I heard 35meters
from a rock
L223[21:12:54] <Althego> ah they figured
that out from the hazcam?
L224[21:13:02] <goblin> you know, that one
which was there when they did that other thing
L225[21:13:09] <goblin> I think so,
yeah
L226[21:14:00] *
raptop heard someone saying that they recognized the location a bit
ago
L227[21:14:14] <goblin> yeah, that was
funny
L228[21:14:23] <Althego> eta for landing
movie? :)
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L230[21:17:33] <raptop> Not sure, MRO only
has so much bandwidth
L231[21:21:45] <darsie> Can we communicate
with Ingenuity from orbit?
L232[21:23:23] <Althego> hehe, did they
get the rights for the song?
L233[21:23:38] <darsie> From David
Bowie?
L234[21:23:43] <darsie> :)
L235[21:23:45] <raptop> JPL crashes a
crane on mars containing ~96 kg of highly toxic propellants
L236[21:24:05] <Althego> also bombs the
surface with with tungsten weights
L237[21:24:05] <darsie> We don't know
what's toxic to Martians.
L238[21:24:16] <darsie> Was there a jojo
despin?
L239[21:24:35] <Althego> it wasnt spinning
too fast to begin with
L240[21:24:39] <darsie> Was there a jojo
despin?
L241[21:24:53] <raptop> AFAIK, yes, but
very early on. Before the straighten up and fly right
maneuver
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L243[21:25:20] <darsie> Stream breaking
up?
L244[21:25:29] <Althego> there was a time
when there was a list of things happening
L245[21:25:42] <Althego> maybe it is
there
L246[21:26:06] <Althego> spindown
mentioned
L247[21:26:13] <Althego> after rcs
L248[21:27:48] <goblin> looks like the
stream's ended
L249[21:27:55] <Althego> yes
L250[21:28:18] <Althego> anyway i never
heard about yoyo despin for curiosity or perseverance
L251[21:28:48] <Althego> so maybe stopped
by rcs
L252[21:30:31] <Althego> Communications
with the rover are through a radio link using low-power Zigbee
communication protocols, implemented via 900 MHz SiFlex 02 chipsets
mounted in both the rover and helicopter.[12] The communication
system is designed to relay data at 250 kbit/s over distances of up
to 1,000 m (3,300 ft).[12]
L253[21:30:40] <Althego> i dont think it
can communicate with the orbiters
L254[21:30:57] <darsie> ok
L255[21:31:01] <Althego> and it runs linux
on a qualcomm snapdragon
L256[21:31:29] <Althego> which is gunny,
because that may be more powerful than the rover cpu
L257[21:31:31] <raptop> penguins on
mars!
L258[21:31:47] <Althego> i think even the
rover runs linux implicitly
L259[21:31:50] <darsie> But we have
directional antennas in orbit.
L260[21:31:54] <Althego> since vxworks is
not a self hosting os
L261[21:32:06] <darsie> Maybe not for 900
MHz.
L262[21:32:23] <Althego> zigbee is more
for short distance low power mesh networks
L263[21:32:39] <Althego> so i dont think
an orbiter would be able to get anything
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L266[21:34:36] <Jovian_Oracle> Linux? They
should be running on COBOL
L267[21:34:36] <goblin> with line-of-sight
I think it should be able to, if it really wanted...
L268[21:34:52] <goblin> Linux can run
cobol
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L270[21:35:09] <Jovian_Oracle> Soviet
probe telecoms weren't far removed from semaphores.
L271[21:35:12] <goblin> but they should be
running kOS
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L274[21:36:00] <Jovian_Oracle> REAL space
probes should communicate with hand signals.
L275[21:36:13] <Jovian_Oracle> Like
wetwork operators, that way the Martians can't intercept their
signals.
L276[21:36:28] <Jovian_Oracle> Stealth
science.
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L278[21:37:38] <goblin> they should also
get a kerbal engineer there in case one of the wheels breaks
L279[21:37:40] <Althego> there are plans
for an rtg powered drone on titan
L280[21:37:46] <Althego> and that will be
standalone
L281[21:38:00] <darsie> RTGs are
heavy.
L282[21:38:00] <Althego> maybe direct to
earth communications
L283[21:38:06] <Althego> titan is
small
L284[21:38:14] <Althego> with thick
atmosphere
L285[21:38:23] <Althego> it can be
heavy
L286[21:38:29] <darsie> That sounds like a
contradiction.
L287[21:38:58] <goblin> well they're
thinking about a 150mg RTG for the Breakthrough Starshot, so I
guess they can also be light
L288[21:39:40] <darsie> Well, even a small
one can charge a big battery.
L289[21:39:43] <Althego> the rtg can be
heavy since the other properties of the environment favor a flying
probe
L290[21:40:10] <Althego> the only place in
the solar system where humans would be able to fly with their own
muscle power
L291[21:40:25] <darsie> We can do that on
Earth.
L292[21:40:44] <darsie> Not sure if we
crossed the English channel.
L293[21:40:45] <Althego> not with
wings
L294[21:40:54] <Althego> i mean flapping
wings
L295[21:40:56] <darsie> Muscle powered
airplanes.
L296[21:40:57] <Althego> like birds
L297[21:41:06] <Althego> yes that was
pedal powered
L298[21:42:02] <Althego> !road
L299[21:42:05] <Kerbot> Althego =>
Primary; Monday, February 22, 2021; 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.;
Scheduled | Secondary; Tuesday, February 23, 2021; 9:00 a.m. to
6:00 p.m.; Scheduled | Secondary; Wednesday, February 24, 2021;
9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.; Scheduled
L300[21:42:20] <Althego> static
fire?
L301[21:44:15] <Mat2ch> ok, there are
people doing KSP speedruns. Full science in under an hour...
L302[21:44:22] <Althego> lol
L303[21:44:37] <Althego> if you go to
minmus early
L304[21:44:41] <Althego> i guess
L305[21:45:06] <Mat2ch> with the third
ship-
L306[21:45:14] <Althego> hehe
L307[21:45:24] <Althego> i can go into
orbit with the first
L308[21:45:25] <Mat2ch> After that he has
the science lab and takes it to minmus and farms science out of
it.
L309[21:45:35] <Althego> so probably the
second is realistic
L310[21:45:50] <Althego> i never use the
science lab
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L312[21:46:01] <Mat2ch> He didn't. He just
took all the science points necessary from the KSP in the first and
second launch to get better engines and more science
L313[21:46:01] <Althego> it just pumps out
science for free
L314[21:46:22] <Mat2ch> yeah, the
balancing is off in some places ;)
L315[21:46:25] <darsie> Althego: It's
probably faster to go to orbit with the second.
L316[21:46:36] <Althego> ah i still have
to collect seizmo and atmo analyzer thingie data from all over
ksp
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L323[21:53:41] <TristenYT> LET'S GO!!!
PERSEVERANCE MADE IT!
L324[21:54:11] <TristenYT> poggers
L325[21:54:35] <raptop> helicopter test
flight soon, I think?
L327[21:55:50] *
raptop has no idea
L328[21:55:57] <TristenYT> We better hope
so
L329[21:56:18] <TristenYT> Or else
Perseverance is in danger of nearby hazards
L330[21:59:25] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause: It's
a simulation of what happened after it happened.
L332[22:01:01] <TristenYT> So, when
there's a Munar/Lunar Eclipse, the Mun doesn't turn red or
anything? Kerbin's shadow doesn't affect it?
L333[22:02:28] <raptop> videogame lighting
is often a bit limited in features
L334[22:03:39] <TristenYT> Someone made a
scattering mod where the sky will actually dim during a Kerbolar
Eclipse
L335[22:03:59] <TristenYT> In stock KSP,
the sky doesn't get any darker
L336[22:04:09] <esspapier> raptop: after
copter is dropped it'll take another 2 hours before it boots
up
L337[22:05:10] <TristenYT> wow
L338[22:05:26] <esspapier> they'll try to
keep flights to mars mornings, before midday (so it has enough time
to recharge, but before the air gets too thin in the
afternoon)
L339[22:06:19] <TristenYT> ah
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L341[22:09:24] <raptop> interesting
L342[22:12:32] <TristenYT> yes
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L346[22:25:38] <Izaya> Eddi|zuHause:
wouldn't be surprised if they're using a game engine for
visualisation
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L348[22:42:31] <goblin> WHERE MY
BRIEFING
L349[22:43:04] <goblin> MAH*
L350[22:43:50] *
flayer shows goblin some briefs
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