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L11[02:04:47] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/91f967d256c4b55b3daffc102e8bd7141863415f1ad2bf35804c7f4ced82d2f2.jpg

L12[02:05:24] <raptop> succesfull research mission?

L13[02:05:32] <Izaya> yees

L14[02:05:40] <Izaya> Also testing the MkIII MunFlea

L15[02:06:04] <Izaya> The cargo containers being inaccessable from the ground posed ... some issues.

L16[02:06:12] <Izaya> But some well-timed jumping solved that.

L17[02:06:49] <Izaya> Now I just have to figure out what to do with the 2km/s of dV I've got sitting on the Mun's surface.

L18[02:07:15] <raptop> I guess 1x biome hop before going home?

L19[02:07:30] <Izaya> Not a bad idea.

L20[02:32:56] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/a839b95a508338251f333db4b457b544117843610b6569ceab5a823af8b29249.png

L21[02:34:16] <dequbed> Izaya: DoS-ing yourself again, huh? :P

L22[02:34:24] <Izaya> Always.

L23[02:34:52] <Izaya> (Not actually, in this case; the jpeg-ified KSP screenshots are small enough to not take out my internet)

L24[02:35:22] <dequbed> Sadly the second one was a PNG :p

L25[02:35:28] <Izaya> Oh.

L26[02:35:30] <Izaya> Oops.

L27[02:35:35] <Izaya> I'm sure it's fine, it was only one.

L28[02:36:55] <raptop> It should be fine unless you're having koalas hand-carry the packets?

L29[02:37:15] <Izaya> Got em going double-file, so I have a little more leeway than usual.

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L32[03:00:52] <Izaya> And now for the return. https://social.shadowkat.net/media/afc68c39afc2296c1aff2c2fe9a55e82f83e7b01ecb2a07006a94207f23c79c8.jpg

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L34[03:05:55] <minas_tirith> Orange juice and bananas

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L38[04:23:37] <raptop> Izaya: those moments are always nice

L39[04:49:49] <Althego> hehe, anton: over 9000 trojans. (me instantly : over 9000!!!!)

L40[05:04:11] <Althego> omg, kiara's actual hands

L41[05:06:43] <raptop> Is she being lewd again?

L42[05:07:28] <Althego> not yet

L43[05:10:04] <raptop> And presumably she's not going to pull a haachama

L44[05:10:15] <Althego> corn flakes?????

L45[05:11:30] * raptop shrugs

L46[05:17:00] <raptop> I mean, walnuts, almonds, etc are $$$$

L47[05:20:33] <Izaya> Realised I could cram two rovers into a 2.5m fairing and get a balanced payload out of it.https://social.shadowkat.net/media/557415ebb8dada0e21c8eea8df3d73e3c99102da26a9c45502b23df11b9fd67d.jpg

L48[05:21:16] <Althego> there are the moon rover wheels those can fold themselves, so yes, you can do that. i never thought of that before

L49[05:21:43] <raptop> Nice

L50[05:21:45] <Izaya> Having them clip slightly makes one deploy more easily

L51[05:22:01] <Althego> i guess they just spring out on detach

L52[05:22:06] <Izaya> yee

L53[05:22:12] <Izaya> hm I should try deploying both at the same time

L54[05:22:29] <Izaya> if I had any spare memory I'd record it

L55[05:24:11] <Izaya> Well, one flipped upside down, but I suspect that was the fairing underneath it.

L56[05:24:12] <Althego> end of this year i want to do an all amd build

L57[05:24:23] * umaxtu sends lzaya a link to download more ram

L58[05:24:25] <Izaya> ... aaaand KSP crashed.

L59[05:24:32] <Althego> no nvenc there

L60[05:24:36] <Izaya> I have two unused memory slots but they don't seem to work >.>

L61[05:24:49] <umaxtu> Althego, I'm drooling over a non-gamery AMD motherboard

L62[05:25:05] <Althego> but maybe with all those cores i am not going to need nvenc

L63[05:25:06] <umaxtu> https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B550-VISION-D-rev-10#kf

L64[05:25:09] <Izaya> I'm running an RX 580 and like, eh, the lack of hardware video encoders isn't a massive deal

L65[05:25:11] <umaxtu> its so pretty

L66[05:25:25] <Althego> hah dual m.2

L67[05:25:37] <Izaya> It's not like I've got a bunch of cores either, just rocking a 4790

L68[05:25:52] <Althego> i have only one, so i cant copy the stuff to a new one easily

L69[05:25:52] <umaxtu> little brother!

L70[05:26:07] <umaxtu> lzaya, I've got a 4790k

L71[05:26:27] <Izaya> Though I do cheat when I'm streaming; I spew only-just-compressed video over my LAN to my server, which can throw all 4 cores/8 threads of the E3-1231v3 at

L72[05:26:29] <Izaya> ayy

L73[05:26:30] <Izaya> haswell stronk

L74[05:26:47] <umaxtu> my motherboard's m.2 slot is only pcie 2.0 x2

L75[05:26:47] <Izaya> I'm running my "locked" 4Ghz 4790 at 4.14Ghz

L76[05:27:02] <Althego> nice motherboard, but am4 is end of life

L77[05:27:19] <Izaya> 103.5Mhz base clock because I hate sanity

L78[05:27:40] <umaxtu> eh, its never worth it to upgrade cpus within the lifespan of a socket anyway

L79[05:28:01] <umaxtu> that might explain part of your stability problems

L80[05:28:08] <Althego> i start from scracth every 6 years or so

L81[05:28:30] <umaxtu> same here. therefore, AM4 being EOL isn't an issue for me

L82[05:29:34] <Althego> but this year is quite dark, video cards out of stock with insane prices, chip shortages to the point where car factories shut down

L83[05:29:58] <Althego> i hope it will be better in december

L84[05:31:24] <Izaya> Instability is just part of the fun

L85[05:31:29] <umaxtu> part of the problem with the automakers is that they cancelled or cut back their orders at the start of the pandemic

L86[05:31:39] <Izaya> also I don't have any swap; I'm just using zram so when I run out of memory it can attempt to not die

L87[05:31:57] <Izaya> swap on GPU memory is of limited utility

L88[05:32:05] <Althego> if you need to swap then you already have problems

L89[05:32:20] <umaxtu> I thought zram was a ramdisk

L90[05:32:24] <Izaya> That's my thinking too, but my board only does 16GB

L91[05:32:26] <Althego> this turned out to be more corn flakes than chocolate

L92[05:32:42] <Izaya> ZRAM gives you a compressed chunk of RAM

L93[05:32:45] <Izaya> which you can format as swap

L94[05:32:50] <Izaya> and get compressed in-memory swap

L95[05:32:50] <Althego> 16 gb should be enough for any non production use

L96[05:33:04] <Izaya> so when you run out of memory it starts compressing it

L97[05:33:32] <umaxtu> Althego, it gets a bit tight when running VMs

L98[05:33:45] <Althego> yes, i consider that production use

L99[05:34:05] <Izaya> Additionally, when KSP + mods has a mild memory leak and Steam has an eternal memory leak and you don't restart your computer often...

L100[05:34:39] <umaxtu> holy crap, my uptime in windoze is up past 10 days

L101[05:34:41] <Althego> i wish proxmox updated the kernel to get rid of that annoying leak

L102[05:34:55] <Izaya> Plus web browsers are heavy

L103[05:34:57] <umaxtu> proxmox isn't BSD-based?

L104[05:35:12] <umaxtu> Izaya, Lynx masterrace

L105[05:35:29] <Althego> on bare lxc hosts i needed to upgrade kernels until i finally reached 5.7 where it disappeared. proxmox has the same issue, so a restart is needed every 3-4 weeks

L106[05:35:40] <Izaya> I wish to use WebPositive but 3D acceleration on Haiku is presently lacking

L107[05:36:00] <Althego> proxmox is debian based

L108[05:36:29] <umaxtu> just use templeos. it doesn't even have a network stack

L109[05:36:35] <Althego> hehehe

L110[05:36:44] <Izaya> Don't tempt me.

L111[05:36:45] <Althego> no support, since the developer is dead

L112[05:36:52] <umaxtu> you laugh, but that guy was a legit genius

L113[05:36:58] <umaxtu> insane, but a genius

L114[05:36:59] <Izaya> RIP Terry

L115[05:37:06] <Izaya> Too good for this world.

L116[05:37:28] <Izaya> Okay I'm fairly sure the rovers are getting flipped by the fairings. I can solve this.

L117[05:37:38] <Althego> a single guy writing a non embedded os from scratch, that is a gargantuan work

L118[05:38:46] <Izaya> since we were talking machines a minute ago, https://imgur.com/cjui20E.png

L119[05:39:18] <umaxtu> good 'ol Arch

L120[05:39:24] <umaxtu> I've kinda regressed to Pop!

L121[05:39:39] <umaxtu> and Windows

L122[05:39:47] <Izaya> Well, both rovers deployed properly, but the scanning arm on the front went boom.

L123[05:41:47] <Izaya> And yeah, too lazy to use anything else right now. Everything works, why change?

L124[05:42:08] <umaxtu> <3 pacman

L125[05:42:30] <Izaya> Is HyperEdit still a thing?

L126[05:42:41] <Izaya> I need to test this on the surface of the Mun.

L127[05:42:54] <raptop> Not sure, but the debug menu should let you teleport there

L128[05:43:31] <Izaya> Oh, that seems largely preferable.

L129[05:44:30] <Althego> i teleported before the cheat menu was a thing. just needed a save and edit the body

L130[05:45:24] <Althego> but the menu makes testing a lot easier

L131[05:45:37] <Izaya> Perfect deployment!

L132[05:46:35] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/49d01ada2ada00c8ac6d6b2556901fb4972ad58a187759ce3c7d9766a911a4bc.jpg

L133[05:47:37] <Althego> have to continue the career. still in 4th hour of day 1

L134[05:47:42] <umaxtu> hip hip! hooray!

L135[05:48:14] <umaxtu> I keep meaning to do a kOS playthrough, but I always wind up using mechjeb

L136[05:49:52] <Althego> https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/ewn6wj/wait_what/

L137[05:51:20] <umaxtu> I really don't have the time right now anyway. I just switched from community college to a four-year school and the difference in workload is kicking my butt

L138[05:55:34] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/a497cb38145d406141e3335c3c670d438fe1c527d70517ec1cdbfcd8ea810b96.webm

L139[05:57:44] <Althego> spacex legs

L140[05:58:09] <Althego> the problem with stock lgs that tehy doint really extend outward

L141[05:58:26] <Althego> ok, with robotics now you can build your legs

L142[06:00:19] <Althego> i guess it is time to collect science from around ksc, with the first rolling thingie that is not two capsules

L143[06:04:16] <Izaya> yeah you need to land really flat to use stock legs, the SpaceX legs are much wider

L144[06:04:21] <Izaya> lets you land on much less pleasant terrain

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L146[06:23:19] <Althego> huh that took almost 19 minutes

L147[06:23:58] <Althego> that flagpole is really stubborn

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L149[06:34:23] <Izaya> note to self, deploy legs before fairings or everything will spin violently

L150[06:34:52] <Althego> kerbal physics?

L151[06:35:07] <Izaya> yup

L152[06:35:31] <Izaya> if I don't deploy the legs first, when the fairings deploy they clip through and exert Fun forces onto my rover delivery vehicle.

L153[06:37:23] <Izaya> I really need to figure out some way to configure my ascent script while in the VAB.

L154[06:42:48] <Izaya> I need to unlock those tiny SRBs so I can bump my boosters back into the atmosphere.

L155[06:43:22] <Althego> you can use any solid for that

L156[06:44:14] <Izaya> The tiny ones would be most convenient though

L157[06:44:22] <Izaya> I could just have them point up and attached radially

L158[06:44:30] <Althego> but i usually choose those new small ones which are the smallest diameter. sepratrons were usually too small for that, but those small ones are nice

L159[06:46:19] <Izaya> SpaceX put a car into orbit? Cool. I put two into orbit with enough dV left over to go to the moon. https://social.shadowkat.net/media/e21e135ab77f1d36b5ed3a41c60bfd5a4dc23e323449701d3d04ce6ee9c823fb.jpg

L160[06:46:57] <Izaya> I'm not sure how to feel about the fact this thing works.

L161[06:47:12] <Althego> here the sickle and hammer is a banned symbol by law

L162[06:47:33] <Izaya> Saw on Wikipedia there's a few places where it is.

L163[06:47:38] <Althego> along with 4 other

L164[06:53:34] <Izaya> Slapped two 0.625m SRBs on the top of my booster. Let's see if that solves my problem.

L165[06:54:06] <Althego> delayed activation would be a nice thing to have

L166[06:54:12] <Izaya> yeah

L167[06:54:21] <Izaya> a fuse, if you will

L168[06:54:32] <Izaya> my usual booster design has a probe core on it so it can flip and burn

L169[06:54:55] <Althego> inconvinient to place there because the cores are a lot smaller than the tanks

L170[06:55:40] <Izaya> yeah and I don't have the 2.5m service bays unlocked yet either

L171[06:57:12] <Althego> still have 57 minutes until the end of day one. i can take science plane 1 and finish these temperature missions

L172[06:59:06] <Althego> close to ksc. and one is on the ground

L173[06:59:55] <Althego> wait, where did that go?

L174[07:01:25] <Althego> none of these were close to expire

L175[07:02:37] <Althego> too bad, now it would have been free science

L176[07:02:43] <Althego> but i didnt have the means before

L177[07:05:34] <Izaya> Guess I'll have to think about actual kerbal-habitable Mun base modules soon.

L178[07:07:18] <Althego> blue temperature gauge symbol on the blue sky. barely visible. just who came up with this

L179[07:21:57] <raptop> Probably some mantis shrimp

L180[07:22:43] <raptop> Althego: and on a completely unrelated note, "And then Ollie was a zombie"

L181[07:25:24] <Althego> flirty zombie

L182[07:26:55] <raptop> extremely

L183[07:31:59] <Ariri> fastest harem collector in ID

L184[07:38:15] <raptop> heh

L185[07:38:33] <raptop> hololive polycule

L186[07:43:47] <Althego> we are devolving faster t han expected

L187[07:45:10] <Althego> ok, probe is in orbit around the mun, now have to wait until it come out on the other side

L188[07:46:08] <Althego> maybe an other round with bob around ksc, and then i can send him away to the mun

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L196[10:05:51] <Althego> no flat earth. but i found a geocentrist

L197[10:08:06] <Deddly> Hey, bot. I wanna see the channel log so gimme

L198[10:08:08] <Mod9000> I keep channel logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D

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L200[10:10:25] <Deddly> Had a bit of a run-in with a flat earther who tried to explain away the fact that the moon appears upside down in the southern hemisphere because it's like going to the other side of the room and looking at your light bulb from there.

L201[10:10:51] <Deddly> I said, "Are you implying that I can travel from America and go underneath the moon and view it from the other side?"

L202[10:12:40] <Deddly> His response was that, no, that's not what he's saying and I'm unintelligent and unable to grasp something so simple and am not worth his time.

L203[10:15:08] <Althego> HEHE

L204[10:16:08] <Althego> i havent seen one in real life

L205[10:16:10] <flayer> its so weird that there's flat earthers

L206[10:16:19] <Althego> no, not really

L207[10:16:34] <Deddly> I mean, he has plenty of time to spurt insults, but he refused to answer one simple question: "Why does the moon turn upside down in the southern hemisphere but not if I go east or west?"

L208[10:16:40] <Althego> i guess they were always there, but modern technology allows them to put themselves out there for everybody to see

L209[10:17:38] <Deddly> No, flat earthers have grown in number greatly because the YouTube algorithm keeps filling their recommendations with one-sided trash because that's what they watch

L210[10:18:04] <Althego> they are actively suppressed by youtube for a while now

L211[10:18:13] <flayer> but they already needed to have watched that stuff to begin with

L212[10:18:18] <Deddly> Now they are, yes

L213[10:19:11] <Izaya> That's almost encouragement

L214[10:19:37] <Deddly> Flayer, All you need to do is come across one single video, watch it, and you're already on the event horizon of a black hole of whatever subject you just watched

L215[10:19:51] <flayer> i remember in 2015 or something, alex jones was recommended to me

L216[10:20:04] <flayer> after i watched some documentary on the cia

L217[10:20:40] <Izaya> I wonder what my youtube recommendations would look like nowadays...

L218[10:20:44] <Deddly> At one point, it was even enough to see a video proving flat earthers wrong for the recommendations to be filled to the bring with flat earth propaganda and other trash

L219[10:20:46] <flayer> its weird that people listen to him and think 'yes, he makes sense'

L220[10:21:14] <flayer> its obvious he is exaggerating wildly/spinning stories for narrative

L221[10:21:34] <flayer> just like that other guy, james corbett

L222[10:21:40] <Deddly> Probably because he has a TV show. People believe TV

L223[10:21:54] <Deddly> Or is it radio

L224[10:22:06] <flayer> that's really one of the most disturbing things -- how much people revere television shows/hosts

L225[10:23:47] <Deddly> Exactly

L226[10:25:04] <Deddly> What's sad is that some of these people will believe their ideas so blindly that it's impossible to reason with them. They'll resort to insults as soon as you try to argue the point, no matter how respectfully you do it.

L227[10:25:38] <Deddly> Not all, but sadly many

L228[10:25:47] <flayer> every belief is a religion these days

L229[10:26:44] <Deddly> And the moral to the story is: Never dismiss someone outright when they challenge your beliefs. Listen respectfully and reason back respectfully. Perhaps one person will learn something

L230[10:28:16] <flayer> no, i don't believe that! everyone should only belief what the moving pictures in the box say!

L231[10:28:27] <flayer> lalalala i can't hear you!

L232[10:28:41] <Deddly> :)

L233[10:38:42] <Althego> heh, guy claims to understand general relativity, yet does not understand how rockets work. (yes, of course it pushes against the air behind it)

L234[10:38:54] <Althego> so annoying

L235[10:39:33] <Deddly> That's pretty common I think.

L236[10:39:58] <Deddly> Because, intuitively, we are used to things pushing against other things to make them move

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L240[11:50:37] <FLHerne> Althego: See infamous NYT article?

L241[11:50:45] <Althego> no

L242[11:54:02] <FLHerne> http://www.rfcafe.com/miscellany/factoids/images/ny-times-correction-goddard.jpg <- from the New York Times, July 17 1969

L243[11:55:47] <Mat2ch> uhm, funny

L244[11:55:59] <Mat2ch> rocket in vacuum deniers

L245[11:56:01] <Mat2ch> :D

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L249[12:25:54] <Althego> hehe

L250[12:27:09] <flayer> 1969? haha

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L258[13:17:31] <flayer> alright

L259[13:17:38] <flayer> i'm going to learn to build a helicopter in kerbal

L260[13:17:57] <flayer> ...but probably not this afternoon

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L263[13:23:44] <Althego> hehe

L264[13:24:00] <Althego> it is kind of hard even with the new parts

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L276[14:05:23] <Izaya> Might also launch some rovers with fuel tanks, for re-fueling ships on the Mun's surface.

L277[14:05:50] <Izaya> Lot easier than landing them next to the actual thingos.

L278[14:20:01] <Izaya> These should do. https://social.shadowkat.net/media/65735a89c3da08d1e2ec2208dd896a019d8ba698959e13b3f8c032f195fbe69e.jpg

L279[14:20:22] <Althego> make the nose a bit pointier for aero

L280[14:22:08] <Izaya> a little pointier, as a treat

L281[14:22:33] <Izaya> I used to go for super pointy but that ended up making extra drag, but I might have overcompensated a little

L282[14:22:38] <Izaya> Still, stuff flies happily now :p

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L285[16:35:40] <Althego> next week dual mars arrival

L286[16:36:11] <Althego> 9th and 10th

L287[16:38:56] <umaxtu> Percy isn't until the 18th?

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L291[17:00:04] <Althego> perseverance comes later

L292[17:00:14] <Althego> this is hope and whatever the chinese mission is called

L293[17:00:48] <flayer> tianwen-1

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L297[17:52:56] <Mat2ch> stop nuking Mars!

L298[17:53:31] <raptop> *boom*

L299[17:55:31] * Mat2ch takes raptop weapons

L300[17:55:40] <Mat2ch> no more cratering!

L301[17:56:24] * raptop grabs a giant parabolic mirror

L302[17:58:38] * Mat2ch turns off the sun

L303[17:58:42] <Mat2ch> and no scorching!

L304[17:58:54] <flayer> i'm so annoyed we haven't pushed far more towards refining nuclear energy

L305[17:59:01] <flayer> there is so much potential there

L306[17:59:22] <flayer> i saw there was a method with which we could generate energy from nuclear waste

L307[17:59:39] <flayer> leaving a smaller pile of waste

L308[18:00:16] <raptop> You're french, right?

L309[18:00:23] <raptop> IIRC, france already does fuel reprocessing

L310[18:00:37] <Mat2ch> they do

L311[18:01:08] <Mat2ch> but nuclear energy is far too expensive now compared to solar and wind, soon nobody will care anymore

L312[18:03:06] <raptop> wind plants take decades to build out, though

L313[18:03:31] <raptop> (That's the timeframe for an offshore plant that's being looked at here)

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L315[18:04:31] <Mat2ch> nuclear power plants also take that long

L316[18:04:53] <Mat2ch> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-27/edf-sees-delay-and-rising-bill-in-british-nuclear-plant-project

L317[18:04:59] <Mat2ch> look at that thing alone

L318[18:05:12] <Mat2ch> this will never make any money!

L319[18:05:30] <Truga> bloomberg posting oil propaganda? well i'd never

L320[18:06:48] <Truga> long term, only renewables are sustainable, but somehow that's never factored into the cost :thunk:

L321[18:06:58] <Mat2ch> then read the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_C_nuclear_power_station

L322[18:07:01] <Mat2ch> That is far worse!

L323[18:07:03] <Mat2ch> :D

L324[18:08:29] <Truga> the problem with only looking at startup costs is that people just overlook any costs releasing pollution will infer

L325[18:08:59] <Truga> because that's a problem for some other time

L326[18:09:17] <Truga> cause hey, things don't look that bad yet!

L327[18:10:10] <Truga> also, i'm really surprised the tory govt managed to mismanage a big project, completely unprecedented!

L328[18:10:12] <Truga> lmao

L329[18:10:39] <Truga> maybe they should leave eu over it lol

L330[18:10:45] <Althego> hehe

L331[18:10:49] <Althego> but this is going into politics

L332[18:11:07] <Truga> everything is politics lol

L333[18:11:09] <Mat2ch> btw. we could see a static fire test of SN10 as early as today. Although I think it's going to be only a pressure/fuel loading test

L334[18:11:26] <Althego> what? what are they doing on sunday

L335[18:15:12] <Althego> also about nuking mars, supposedly there is not enough carbon dioxide and water there to make it warm enough, so nuking is not enough. if you have to divert asteroids, then use them to warm it up

L336[18:31:12] <Althego> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664986999727325224/807402454898835456/zTodzZe.png

L337[18:31:45] <Althego> (it is a pun)

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L340[19:58:28] <Althego> (vlad the inhaler)

L341[20:04:50] <raptop> ah

L342[20:05:01] * raptop saw the blue skin, and assumed something shiva-related

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L349[21:24:13] <Guest62483> bonjour voila je suis sur ps4 et le jeux et non en français il crain a mort pff 25 euro pour que dalle MDR

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L351[21:27:26] <raptop> blink

L352[21:28:04] <raptop> Anyway, google translate is unclear, so I can't tell if this was a driveby question or spam

L353[22:03:52] <flayer> how do stop my prop plane from erratic behavior

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L356[22:11:12] <flayer> whats that?

L357[22:12:16] <umaxtu> the reason helicopters have a tail rotor

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L359[22:21:29] <flayer> what about an aeroplane using solid boosters?

L360[22:21:44] <Mat2ch> flayer: a screenshot helps with CoL und CoM

L361[22:24:39] <raptop> could have drag "fun"

L362[22:24:49] <raptop> And of course, most of the SRBs lake TVC

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