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L20[05:15:36] <herbert_west> raptop, I love how the deepest, darkest cosmic horror in HPL's "He" is...Chinese people
L21[05:15:41] <herbert_west> lmao
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L50[09:02:50] <Mat2ch> Uh, Tesla updated the interior design of S and X. And I have a feeling that we wont see this steering wheel in the EU...
L51[09:03:44] <Althego> looks dumb
L52[09:04:58] <Mat2ch> if you're using a self-driving feature all the time and only need it to steer away from obstacles, then it's fine.
L53[09:05:04] <Mat2ch> But I don't see full self-driving yet...
L54[09:05:22] <Mat2ch> But you can play Cyberpunk on it.
L55[09:05:29] <Mat2ch> Which means there's a Linux version out there.
L56[09:05:38] <Althego> which is a massive disappointment
L57[09:05:46] <Althego> to the point they are getting sued or something
L58[09:05:52] <Mat2ch> Probably a similar version as for Stadia.
L59[09:05:57] <Mat2ch> But not for regular Linux users.
L60[09:06:07] <Mat2ch> I hate companies who do things like that.
L61[09:06:39] <Mat2ch> It's only a disappointment for console users. The other users seem to be mostly fine with it
L62[09:12:38] <Althego> hehe, the "Major esthetics improvements coming" is because of a 425 megapixel picture
L63[09:18:20] <packbart> there was already a (court, iirc) decision that wiper controls via touchscreen only are not allowed
L64[09:18:37] <packbart> who'd want a Tesla cockpit to look like an old Boeing, anyway
L65[09:19:23] <packbart> it was cool in Knight Rider, but that car actually did have autonomous driving capability
L66[09:22:28] <Mat2ch> packbart: it was about changing the wiper speed and settings. Not the wiper itself.
L67[09:23:27] <Mat2ch> the wiper itself goes on automatically
L68[09:24:05] <packbart> yeah, but I don't see a "stalkless" steering wheel getting approval with turn signals via push buttons
L69[09:24:08] <Mat2ch> https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/QE4lCLg.png wiper on off is on the left stick
L70[09:26:00] <packbart> otoh, I prefer a BMW i3 over any Tesla any day. I think they're ugly. The i3 "Tron car" is weird enough, too
L71[09:26:26] <packbart> e-Smarts are quite funny, though. good acceleration, too
L72[09:28:28] <Mat2ch> but have very low range
L73[09:28:34] <Mat2ch> and iirc they aren't built anymore
L74[09:29:32] <Mat2ch> oh, they still are
L75[09:29:36] <Mat2ch> my informations are incorrect
L76[09:30:12] <packbart> I use car-sharing, so I get to drive and compare variety of models
L77[09:30:34] <Mat2ch> For a city they are fine
L78[09:30:46] <Mat2ch> But I take my car mostly on a bit longer trips.
L79[09:31:41] <packbart> I use "traditional" rentals for longer trips. One day, I'll just rent a Maserati for the fun of it
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L81[09:35:32] <packbart> of all the car-sharing model, I currently prefer the VW Polo
L82[09:47:53] <packbart> "the standard human spaceship will be mostly rectangular with engines on one end and weapons on the other"
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L84[09:55:46] <Althego> why would it be rectangular?
L85[09:56:47] <packbart> Because Our Weapons Will Be Boxy in the Future. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StandardHumanSpaceship
L86[09:57:04] <packbart> fewer polygons ;)
L87[10:04:07] <Mat2ch> boxy weapons. Hehehe. Why do I have to think about The Expanse here?
L88[10:04:21] <Mat2ch> also the current season is so boring
L89[10:04:50] <Mat2ch> nothing happens except stupid decisions that are made.
L90[10:05:12] <Althego> is one season one book?
L91[10:06:00] <packbart> more or less. the series diverged quite a bit from the books
L92[10:08:31] <Mat2ch> I hope the season finale makes up for it. Otherwise I have not much hope for the next one
L93[10:08:56] <Mat2ch> "oh, we go there and take a suborbital ship to the Moon"
L94[10:09:01] <Mat2ch> Suborbital you say?
L95[10:09:03] <Mat2ch> To the Moon?
L96[10:09:07] <Mat2ch> WHAT
L97[10:09:38] <Mat2ch> And then some bad guys appear. Who would have thought. What a surprise.
L98[10:09:59] <Mat2ch> it's not exciting if you expect it.
L99[10:10:15] <Mat2ch> But who am I... just a mere viewer.
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L103[11:34:17] <Mat2ch> NasaSpaceflight is again hyping SN9 flight :D
L104[11:36:05] <Althego> it looks like ok today
L105[11:36:15] <Althego> based on the weather
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L107[11:57:45] <Mat2ch> !road
L108[11:57:50] <Kerbot> Mat2ch => Primary; Thursday, Jan 28, 2021; 9:00 am to 6:00 pm; Scheduled | Secondary; Friday, Jan 29, 2021; 8:00 am to 2:00 pm; Scheduled
L109[11:57:56] <Mat2ch> Primary is today
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L112[12:35:43] <Mat2ch> SpaceX has to be very confident. Otherwise I can't explain why they moved the crane to Pad A if they wanna fly SN9 soon
L113[12:35:59] <Althego> probably because of sn10
L114[12:43:27] <Mat2ch> So no launch today but moving SN10?
L115[12:43:29] <Mat2ch> Or both?
L116[12:48:31] <Althego> they can move it after the launch
L117[12:48:39] <Althego> or just simply tomorrow
L118[12:49:49] <Althego> how long did it take them last time to prepare for launch?
L119[12:51:44] <Mat2ch> a bit longer, because SN9 fell over :D
L120[12:52:39] <Mat2ch> what I meant to say is, that it is a huge risk having an expensive crane next to a thing that makes a continous explosion at its back
L121[12:55:56] <Althego> yes
L122[12:56:35] <Althego> even if they owned the crane, but they probably dont
L123[12:58:36] <darsie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5kVZlnHZ3o went live. LIVE: Starship SN9 Flight Test. NASASpaceflight
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L125[13:02:11] <transit> Ahoy.
L126[13:02:24] <darsie> .
L127[13:02:37] <transit> Hello person
L128[13:02:40] <darsie> .
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L130[13:05:59] <XXCoder> ;mission
L131[13:05:59] <LunchBot> XXCoder: A yellow glow-in-the-dark octopus-like creature infiltrates your Science Jr. containers. The rescue mission requires a rescue mission.
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L136[14:26:31] <Mat2ch> Althego: the time the crane is already at the complex suggests that they bought it.
L137[14:26:51] <Mat2ch> They will need it for years to come and it would be far more expensive to rent it.
L138[14:31:49] <Althego> can be
L139[14:35:42] <Mat2ch> the crane boom is lowered which means they really want to launch with it being nearby...
L140[14:35:50] <Althego> lol
L141[14:36:01] <Mat2ch> probably to lift SN10 onto Pad A tomorrow
L142[14:36:11] <Althego> i guess they win a day with this if nothing explodes
L143[14:36:21] <Mat2ch> and yes it is called "boom" and has nothing to do with the boom we hopefully wont see. :D
L144[14:42:57] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: It still has Roll-Lift branding, you'd think they'd at least debrand it if purchased
L145[14:43:21] <FLHerne> All the lifts and things on the pad are United Rentals
L146[14:54:10] <darsie> Maybe they get it cheaper if they leave the branding on.
L147[14:55:10] <FLHerne> Probably the opposite if anything
L148[14:56:46] <Althego> why, it would be free ad
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L151[16:30:05] <Althego> hmm, a cherry picker
L152[16:30:11] <Althego> maybe they launch later
L153[16:33:08] <minas_tirith> Althego, have you read "He"
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L155[16:33:14] <minas_tirith> (hpl story)
L156[16:33:43] <Althego> i read nothing from him
L157[16:35:58] <minas_tirith> Althego, its a very unintentionally funny story
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L159[17:01:51] <Althego> oh no
L160[17:02:07] <Althego> if the wind is too strong now, tomorrow will be the same
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L164[17:08:51] <Mat2ch> tfr is gone.
L165[17:09:02] <Mat2ch> Great
L166[17:09:08] <Mat2ch> I was looking forward to this :P
L167[17:09:13] <Althego> at least i dont have to worry about being up late
L168[17:09:47] <Althego> unless friday is a failure too
L169[17:09:57] <Althego> because then the whole thing starts next week
L170[17:10:09] <Althego> and we can wait for the late launch again
L171[17:23:18] <Mat2ch> the streamers all have hope
L172[17:23:20] <Mat2ch> I don't.
L173[17:23:22] <Mat2ch> :D
L174[17:31:45] <Althego> hehe
L175[17:31:52] <Althego> yes, if the tfr is gone, it is over
L176[17:33:36] <Mat2ch> it is gone
L177[17:34:09] <Mat2ch> and since tfrs probably can't be set up just a few minutes ahead of something this means it's over for today.
L178[17:34:17] <Mat2ch> Screw you high upper winds!
L179[17:34:21] <Althego> unless spacex has an experimental teleporter, and they can just directly jump to orbit :)
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L182[17:37:02] <darsie> shift-F12
L183[17:40:51] <Mat2ch> the FAA website doesn't seem to be made for 100000 SpaceX fans...
L184[17:41:02] <Althego> hehehe
L185[17:41:19] <Althego> i guess thousands od people are sitting there and just pressing refresh constantléy
L186[17:41:29] <Mat2ch> The NSF stream has 60k viewers. That is insane.
L187[17:41:40] <Althego> i moved on
L188[18:14:24] <flayer> i used to have persistent rotation installed as an additional challenge because you couldn't use timewarp to stabilize your ship
L189[18:14:43] <flayer> now i use it to speed up my very careful and slow rotations
L190[18:16:38] <darsie> That's fuel/battery efficient.
L191[18:17:17] <flayer> yeah, i've started building ships with far less battery power too
L192[18:17:24] <flayer> i'm slowly turning into you darsie
L193[18:17:31] <darsie> hehe
L194[18:20:16] <darsie> If you hold at your maneuver marker and then time warp, will you still rotate, e.g. because the hold didn't stop you completely?
L195[18:23:49] <flayer> yeah, but you can get to stabilize pretty well
L196[18:23:57] <flayer> with small ships at least
L197[18:25:34] <darsie> If not, you could rotate away from the maneuver marker and will rotate back to it periodically, then hold attitude at the marker just before you start the burn.
L198[18:26:05] <darsie> Unless that unrealistic physics sphere messes up your attitude.
L199[18:28:01] <Althego> hehe. gura is playing read dead 2. there is a shrimp on her head, and there is a small cowboy head on the shrimp's head
L200[18:28:25] <Althego> why do i always want to write it as read dead instead of red dead
L201[18:28:50] <darsie> cowboy head or hat?
L202[18:28:59] <Althego> hat
L203[18:29:17] <Althego> see, tehre is some typing issue
L204[18:29:23] <Althego> at least more than usual
L205[18:29:30] <Althego> supposedly new tfr is up
L206[18:29:34] <darsie> Yeah. You need neuralink :).
L207[18:30:07] <Althego> i cant even direct my own fingers correctly, after decades of use. why would i use an extra hand better
L208[18:30:46] <darsie> The idea was that it reads your thoughts and sends exactly what you think :).
L209[18:31:21] <Althego> the god emperor of dune had something like that. he used that for his journals
L210[18:31:42] <Althego> there is a tfr up
L211[18:31:48] <Althego> somewhat different than it was before
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L213[18:32:17] <darsie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Aviation_Regulations#Temporary_flight_restrictions
L214[18:32:32] <Althego> https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_1_8565.html
L215[18:32:58] <darsie> Are we all supposed to click that link? :)
L216[18:33:23] <Althego> nothing harmful there
L217[18:33:42] <darsie> DDoS
L218[18:33:43] <Althego> maybe it is another tank test, if they cant fly
L219[18:37:08] <flayer> i'm halfway annoyed that i'm here for all the tests
L220[18:37:35] <flayer> its like... if you come in at the end, when they send the first one off to mars, you don't have to wait around so much
L221[18:38:30] <flayer> i just wanna see the first payload - robotic refuel system - land on mars already
L222[18:39:00] <flayer> when's that gonna be? 2030?
L223[18:40:06] <Althego> maybe
L224[18:40:18] <Althego> because of elon time
L225[18:40:29] <Althego> if we are lucky, starship makes into orbit this year
L226[18:40:34] <Althego> but there are always issues
L227[18:40:44] <Althego> after that it needs to be used
L228[18:40:49] <Althego> a lot
L229[18:41:00] <Althego> and the orbital refueling needs to be developed
L230[18:41:38] <Althego> maybe they can send a test ship to mars in 2022, but i think it is unlikely
L231[18:42:09] <darsie> A foreig... umm, interstellar asteroid could be on collision course with Earth with no way to deflect it.
L232[18:42:31] <Althego> doesnt need to be interstellar to become deadly
L233[18:42:51] <Althego> there is no money even for the detection of these
L234[18:42:57] <darsie> No, but those are more likely to be discovered when it's too late.
L235[18:43:01] <Althego> much less any kind of deflection research
L236[18:43:19] <darsie> OTOH there are fewer of those.
L237[18:43:46] <darsie> A simple impact can do the trick.
L238[18:43:59] <darsie> if it's done in time.
L239[18:44:29] <Althego> there supposed to be a mission to shoot an asteroid moon to see if w can deflect them such way
L240[18:44:52] <Althego> didymos and its moon didymoon
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L242[18:51:44] <darsie> I wonder how it could fail. We could miss or graze it. If we hit, there'll be debris scattered. I don't think it would break up in large fractions, so most of the momentum would be transferred to the remaining asteroid.
L243[18:53:53] <Althego> to small deflection, if asteroid is too heavy, too small if it is too fluffly and goes through, too small if it just breaks apart
L244[18:54:22] <Althego> this is like digging a probe in martian soil. seemed simple enough, but failed completely
L245[18:54:39] <minas_tirith> Althego, you must understand
L246[18:54:55] <minas_tirith> Its very difficult to make a machine perform such tasks from home
L247[18:55:39] <Althego> i didnt say it was a dumb design. it was a design. nobody knew what to expect. now it helped to show that there needs to be an other way
L248[18:56:07] <minas_tirith> Remotely operated robot vehicles are a very difficult and complex thing
L249[18:58:00] <darsie> minas_tirith: Are you a moon or an ancient greek horned creature?
L250[18:58:11] <Althego> that's no moon
L251[18:58:25] <minas_tirith> darsie, why?
L252[18:58:30] <darsie> Your name
L253[18:58:39] <minas_tirith> Its a location in middle earth
L254[18:58:41] <darsie> I guess it makes me think of minotaur.
L255[18:58:44] <minas_tirith> What were your interpretations?
L256[18:58:45] <darsie> k
L257[18:59:04] <minas_tirith> There are many ancient horned gods
L258[18:59:20] <darsie> horny gods
L259[18:59:38] <minas_tirith> Veles, Satyrs et
L260[18:59:39] <minas_tirith> Veles, Satyrs etc
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L264[19:33:04] <Althego> after all these recent events, will 2021 be worse than 2020? i think so
L265[19:33:53] <darsie> Nature might die a bit slower in 2021.
L266[19:34:09] * raptop is hoping to see fewer deaths in 2021
L267[19:34:37] <Althego> the new variants are spreading
L268[19:34:45] <darsie> Umm, I meant, it might resume dying at a more faster pace.
L269[19:34:52] <darsie> idk
L270[19:35:24] <raptop> The good news is that so far none of the variants are actually able to overcome the vaccines
L271[19:35:33] <raptop> Also, masks work
L272[19:35:42] <raptop> Ignore CDC; acquire N95*
L273[19:35:48] <raptop> *KN95, KF94, FPP2, etc are fine
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L276[20:00:18] <Althego> it is venting a bit
L277[20:00:26] <Althego> Mat2ch: it is venting
L278[20:00:58] <raptop> Quick, put a surgical mask over the vent
L279[20:01:04] <Althego> hehehe
L280[20:01:09] <flayer> i just want to see the transport route be opened up, so to speak
L281[20:01:25] <flayer> having reliable transport is going to do a lot for establishing any sort of presence
L282[20:01:25] <Althego> do you need that route for something?
L283[20:01:39] <flayer> to build my mars colony
L284[20:02:09] <Althego> glory to arstotzka
L285[20:02:14] <Althego> wait, different game :)
L286[20:03:38] <raptop> Cheap Reliable Access To Space(tm)
L287[20:05:42] <raptop> Althego: suddenly I'm reminded of when Korone was playing Papers Please
L288[20:05:47] <raptop> (something something guard dog)
L289[20:19:39] <Mat2ch> Althego: woah
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L293[20:46:47] *** raptop changes topic to 'Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.11.1 | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png '
L294[20:46:58] <raptop> The best numbered version has come out!
L295[20:52:02] <darsie> 1.11.1 yay
L296[20:52:08] <darsie> time for me to upgrade.
L297[20:52:34] <darsie> If only I hadn't run out of motivation.
L298[20:53:22] <raptop> This darsie^Wartoo unit has a bad motivator!
L299[20:53:47] <darsie> artoo?
L300[20:54:55] <raptop> Well, I've seen it a lot in eg: older writings, but also R2
L301[20:55:37] <darsie> ic :)
L302[21:10:11] <flayer> raptop, crats is key. we need whole fleets of rockets ready to depart at every transfer window
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L308[21:29:41] <packbart> ooh, update
L309[21:31:05] <packbart> Steam had it scheduled for end of next week. noway
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L312[22:18:26] * darsie upgraded to 1.11.1.
L313[22:18:51] <darsie> I wish mouse wheel scroll would be "normal".
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L315[22:24:56] <Mat2ch> darsie: normal?
L316[22:28:49] <packbart> there is no normal
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L318[22:36:35] <darsie> like, 3 lines per mouse wheel click instead of 10 clicks per item in the vehicle load dialog.
L319[22:38:12] <darsie> Mat2ch:
L320[22:38:29] <darsie> I have 24 clicks per full rotation of my mouse wheel.
L321[22:40:13] <darsie> Or 3-4 motions with my index finger per rotation.
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L333[23:21:03] <packbart> hm. in 1.11.1, I get odd lags in the VAB. no reaction for a few seconds
L334[23:26:13] <raptop> oh no
L335[23:26:43] <raptop> If you can figure out what's causing them (something bad related to the animations?), please post more
L336[23:33:19] <JVFoxy> just in 1.11.1?
L337[23:33:48] <JVFoxy> maybe something in the background.. -shrug
L338[23:33:53] * raptop assumes so, but we'll see
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L348[23:50:33] <packbart> I didn't notice it in 1.11.0. I'll try and test
L349[23:50:44] <packbart> but first I need to get that relay sat into orbit
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L351[23:55:56] <raptop> fair enough
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