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L87[13:56:29] <sandbox> saw that
yesterday
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L91[14:24:06] <Guest41006> hello
L92[14:24:09] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest41006
L93[14:25:57] <sandbox> what's up?
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L106[17:03:54] <packbart> "Take a
photo of four tourists from the surface of Eve" - for some
weird reason, they'd expect to return to Kerbin, too. I'm going to
pass on that contract
L107[17:04:18] <packbart> oh, a new repair
job contract. I'll try that one
L108[17:04:32] <Althego> haha
L109[17:07:39] <darsie> If they didn't
return they'd be colonists, not tourists.
L110[17:10:36] <Althego> most of the delta
v is burnt in the lover atmosphere. with electric props it should
be possible to ascend to at least kerbin sea level pressure
L111[17:11:41] <packbart> I'm not ready
yet for Eve ascents. I only just reached Eve orbit in this game,
first time ever
L112[17:12:30] <darsie> packbart: Ever
since you started playing KSP?
L113[17:13:49] <packbart> yes, indeed. My
games usually didn't last that long for probes to reach other
planets
L114[17:13:55] <packbart> it just takes
too long
L115[17:14:15] <Althego> yes this is a
huge problem
L116[17:14:22] <Althego> you can collect
all the science from the mun and minmus
L117[17:14:42] <darsie> A 'relative
newbie' on reddit asked for a hard challenge. I suggested an Eve
water sample return mission. He picked a space station on Minmus
someone else suggested :).
L118[17:15:37] <darsie> You get full
science for each new lab you bring to Minmus.
L119[17:15:56] <packbart> not with
Kerbalism
L120[17:16:00] <darsie> k
L121[17:16:28] <packbart> in Kerbalism,
labs convert samples to transmissable (transmittable?) data
L122[17:16:46] <packbart> so you don't
need to return that water sample, you could process it on Eve's
surface
L123[17:17:08] <packbart> takes time and
energy and scientists, though
L124[17:17:24] <darsie> IRL we can get
more data out of samples on Earth.
L125[17:17:50] <packbart> only because we
don't send staffed labs deep enough into space
L126[17:18:48] <darsie> Yeah. I guess if
we sent staff to Mars, we could also bring most of our greatest
instruments.
L127[17:19:21] <darsie> Or to Ryugu.
L128[17:19:55] <darsie> OTOH, we'd bring
our staff back home, so we could just as well just fetch a
sample.
L129[17:20:03] <Althego> the best
equipment will always be on earth
L130[17:20:17] <darsie> In the 'near'
term.
L131[17:20:22] <Althego> yes
L132[17:20:27] <Althego> which mean
decades at least
L133[17:20:42] <Althego> so currently it
is always better to bring back the sample
L134[17:21:31] <darsie> What analytical
instruments are we lacking on the ISS?
L135[17:21:48] <darsie> To analyze
samples.
L136[17:22:09] <darsie> Perhaps neutron
activation. That could be done, too.
L137[17:22:36] <darsie> Maybe there's no
x-ray fluorescence thing there.
L138[17:22:43] <darsie> spectroscope
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L140[17:25:35] <packbart> no large
particle accelerators on the ISS
L141[17:26:10] <darsie> Are they useful in
sample analysis?
L142[17:26:28] <Althego> small
accelerators may be useful for some kinds
L143[17:26:42] <packbart> yeah, I guess
"spectroscope" covers those
L144[17:27:04] <darsie> MS is a particle
accelerator.
L145[17:27:19] <darsie> I assume they have
GCMS.
L146[17:27:43] <Althego> there is some
material research ongoing on the iss so they surely have some
equipment
L147[17:27:48] <Althego> but they also
return samples too
L148[17:28:10] <darsie> I guess there's no
electron microscope.
L149[17:28:37] <darsie> Wouldn't need a
vacuum pump there :).
L150[17:28:59] <darsie> high vacuum
pump*
L151[17:29:39] <darsie> although, IIRC we
can create better vacuum on Earth than there is in LEO.
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L157[18:30:29] <Althego> hehe, it is funny
that submarines have fresh food from scratch, bread, buns, pizza,
etc, but spaceships have horrible foods
L158[18:31:09] <Althego> the problems are
similar for both, have to feed people in a closed space with long
term storage
L159[18:31:17] <Althego> but spaceships
are more hightech
L160[18:31:21] <Althego> yet the food is
worse
L161[18:34:01] <nate> submarine's have
actual proper kitchens
L162[18:34:08] <nate> our spaceships and
the ISS, not so much.
L163[18:34:22] <nate> lol
L164[18:35:44] <Althego> then it is about
time there should be
L165[18:36:01] <Althego> i cant even
imagine how to make a proper zero g kitchen
L166[18:38:01] <nate> Well yeah I imagine
hot appliances in an oxygen rich environment, probably not the best
of possibilities lol
L167[18:38:59] <Althego> iss is regular
atmosphere
L168[18:39:03] <raptop> ^
L169[18:39:03] <darsie> The RTG has 1200 K
max, and will shutdown at 10,000 K. Typo?
L170[18:39:04] <Althego> but yes, still a
problem
L171[18:40:14] <Althego> anyway out of all
the submarine episodes of smarter every day, i liked the cooking
part the best
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L178[19:24:05] <Mat2ch> :D
L179[19:26:06] <Althego> lol asteroid to
the face
L180[19:27:05] <Althego> haha transcendent
entity kerbal
L181[19:35:54] <raptop> But does a Minmus
snowball taste like mint icecream?
L182[19:38:01] <Althego> you still cant
move planets
L183[19:38:12] <Althego> and no taste
experiment
L184[19:38:44] <raptop> Depends on what
happens when you process a surface sample in a science lab
L186[19:53:08] <Althego> i guess that is
the end of this banana too. and i didnt even know the previous,
better one
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L188[19:57:38] <Althego> irc doesnt pass
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L189[19:57:49] <flayer> yes it does,
you're on the floor!
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L201[22:20:40] <darsie> In preparation to
my comet expedition I took a trip with all available Kerbals to
solar orbit so Bill would get a third star. It worked ... kinda. I
forgot to pick up Bill from the orbital fuel station where I
refuelled ...
L202[22:21:15] <raptop> oops
L203[22:21:29] <raptop> well, there's
always the kerbals automatically levelup option
L204[22:21:59] <darsie> ok. I'll still
load.
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L206[22:35:03] <darsie> It didn't actually
matter, cause I loaded/saved something wrong and didn't have the
contract.
L207[22:37:38] <darsie> Confusing was that
my dv predictions went wrong two ways. One was that I didn't have
enough dv to return (I went fast to save time). I think it was due
to Oberth effect.
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L209[22:39:18] <darsie> The other was,
that I had more dv than displayed because I had a fuel tank above a
crossfeed enabled decoupler which KSP ignored when calculating dv.
It was used first, so dv rose as it emptied. Then the lower tank
was used. KER got it right.
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L224[23:52:58] <darsie> I forgot Bill
again!!!!!!