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L3[00:49:56] <darsie> https://i.ibb.co/W2MSL9q/screenshot284.png "Reach Milkin-Lizely 2 and take a sample to transmit or return for analysis. Make sure to send a Scientist to take the sample. This comet's orbit [escape trajectory out of the Sun] means you'll have only one chance to catch it before it departs for the Oort cloud or ever beyond. Make sure you've assessed the complexity of this mission before you accept this contract..
L4[00:50:43] <darsie> Does that mean it may be impossible to decelerate the comet to an orbit around the Sun?
L5[00:51:06] <darsie> As in, it's on an unalterable orbit like planets and moons?
L6[00:54:51] <umbralraptop> I'm not sure, but suspect not
L7[00:55:06] <darsie> So do I.
L8[00:57:14] <darsie> I'm now on that mission officially. :)
L9[00:57:33] <umbralraptop> Time to break their assumptions
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L16[01:57:29] <DarthTater> I'm making a probe launch vehicle with 8 probes, each with their own separate stage to power uo their ion engines, and a control group for each to toggle to components necessary to keep the little guy on trajectory aand providing signal, and then the launch vehicle itself will be an obvervation probe. perhaps this isn't speciaal but i'm feeling sel
L17[01:57:29] <DarthTater> f satisfied
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L20[02:01:00] <umbralraptop> 8 probes for 8 targets, or does this have all the Δv?
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L22[02:06:49] <DarthTater> 8 probes on 1 launch vehicle, palnned 2 for each location, hoping to leave 22 for mun and minmus each, sling off to eve, drop 2 on the way by, sling a couple in the general direction of near-dunar orbit around the sun, them dump the restaround jool
L23[02:07:25] <DarthTater> each probe has an ion engine to keep things eccentric enough to matter
L24[02:07:46] <DarthTater> aim at the time I decouple it
L25[02:11:39] <umbralraptop> nice
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L27[02:31:58] <DarthTater> do you think the ion engines will continue to function after I pull away from the probe though
L28[02:32:11] <DarthTater> that's my main worry
L29[02:32:35] <DarthTater> otherwise, yay, signal everywhere into the outer reaches
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L35[03:29:53] <DarthTater> whoops, I've launched facing the wrong direction and now I'm in a polar orbit
L36[03:37:12] <umaxtu> nice
L37[03:38:04] <umbralraptop> Off-plane intercepts!
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L45[06:17:07] <Althego> hehe horizon zero dawn is 68 GB
L46[06:32:12] * umbralraptop grumbles
L47[06:33:39] <umbralraptop> And here I was happy about upgrading from ~0.6 Mbit down to ~29
L48[06:33:40] <Althego> imagine it was still distributed on disks. we would be back in the change the disk era
L49[06:34:07] <Althego> and unfortunately gog breaks it int o4 GB chunks
L50[06:34:17] <Althego> nobody uses fat32 anymore, completely pointless
L51[06:36:52] * umbralraptop imagines 8x 9 GiB DVDs
L52[06:40:15] <Althego> but i still cant by ookami on gog. it really is an old game. and now on pc. not on gog
L53[06:44:48] <umbralraptop> grmbl
L54[06:45:44] <Althego> almost like a linux distro :)
L55[06:49:35] * umbralraptop assumes that a corporate distro would be named gmbh
L56[06:49:59] <Althego> hehe
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L66[08:23:23] <Mat2ch> As I predicted SN9 gets its nosecone stacked before testing. Was too obvious. ;)
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L69[09:05:04] <Althego> predicted? i think it was placed on it a time ago
L70[09:05:42] <Mat2ch> nope
L71[09:05:49] <Mat2ch> stacking was yesterday
L72[09:06:20] <Mat2ch> https://youtu.be/IsMbxe3Kzeo?t=20
L73[09:06:59] <Althego> ah maybe i thought it was going to happen because the nose cone was fully ready
L74[09:07:09] <Althego> or something like that
L75[09:07:14] <Althego> but it seemed obvious to me
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L77[09:23:53] <Mat2ch> SN8 got tested first
L78[09:26:21] <Althego> yes
L79[09:34:31] <Mat2ch> and takes waaaaaay too long to fly :D
L80[09:34:41] <Althego> only the first one
L81[09:34:50] <Althego> it is going to get faster
L82[09:34:55] <Mat2ch> On Monday we will either see a glorious landing or a huge fireball
L83[09:34:59] <Mat2ch> I don't know what I want more :D
L84[09:35:10] <Althego> i think it is going to hit the ground during the flip
L85[09:35:15] <Althego> not huige fireball
L86[09:35:20] <Althego> because it will be almost empty
L87[09:35:32] <Mat2ch> To look like real natives we have to say: "It's gonna getting faster"
L88[09:35:33] <Mat2ch> :D
L89[09:45:24] <Althego> somehow the airplane jive scene comes into mind
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L92[09:53:05] <Althego> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1331723344325070849
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L96[10:14:33] <Mat2ch> well, if I look at the current outcomes of the climate catastrophe, this could be a possible solution.
L97[10:14:43] <Mat2ch> Or does anyone still believe we will make it in under 5° C?
L98[10:14:43] <Althego> not really
L99[10:15:06] <Althego> 2 is a lost cause for sure
L100[10:15:31] <Althego> maybe this is the great filter
L101[10:15:32] <packbart> we'll probably adapt
L102[10:15:49] <Althego> after all we are the borg
L103[10:15:57] <packbart> increasing CO2, temperatures and water levels is good for plants
L104[10:16:05] <packbart> breathing oxygen is more of a niche
L105[10:16:26] <Althego> w should convert to nitrous oxide :)
L106[10:17:08] <Althego> anyway we cant move elsewhere, there is no elsewhere now
L107[10:17:59] <Althego> and we dont know what makes the whole ecology of earth work. in small scale we cant replicate it
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L109[10:23:49] <Althego> also increasing carbon dioxide levels is not good for plants. first of all this would matter only if it was the bottleneck, and it isnt. second with increasing temperature they can photosynthesize less, so again the surplus carbon dioxide doesnt help
L110[10:24:14] <Althego> the bottleneck is more probably nitrogen fixation or the availability of phosphorus
L111[10:37:40] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpsfy4npMhY
L112[10:37:58] <Althego> i didnt expect sound
L113[10:38:25] <Althego> now if they just released a landing video...
L114[11:18:48] <DarthTater> *rocket refueses to stage
L115[11:22:55] <Deddly> Wow. That's beautiful and sounds amazing
L116[11:23:23] <Althego> now wait until february for the mars landing. with multiple camerase and sound
L117[11:23:34] <Althego> -e
L118[11:23:36] <Deddly> What altitude does Electron stage?
L119[11:23:53] <Althego> i guess over 60
L120[11:23:54] <Althego> km
L121[11:24:04] <Althego> but the videos show altitude
L122[11:24:22] <Deddly> Still enough atmosphere to transmit sound waves at 60km?
L123[11:24:38] <Althego> maybe the interstage is pressurized
L124[11:24:46] <Althego> after that the exhaust provides medium
L125[11:25:00] <Deddly> But you can also hear the rocket flying off into the distance
L126[11:25:54] <Althego> staging happened around 72 km
L127[11:26:01] <Deddly> Wow
L128[11:26:01] <Althego> by ignition it was around 80
L129[11:26:17] <Althego> or they are just faking the sounds
L130[11:26:42] <Althego> like for ultra high speed cameras, the slow motion has fake sounds
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L132[11:42:51] <Althego> as i expected. in 18 files
L133[11:42:57] <Althego> (horizon zero dawn)
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L137[12:27:50] <Althego> now i still have to replicate it to backups
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L139[12:51:52] <minas_tirith> Deddly, nice name bro
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L141[12:59:36] <Mat2ch> Althego: Deddly: Since sound is nothing more but particles hitting on something, this is pretty obvious. The interstage has some air still left and the rocket engine itself produces lots and lots of particles that can hit the microphone
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L143[13:00:28] <minas_tirith> Mat2ch, sounds of what?
L144[13:00:34] <Althego> of silence
L145[13:00:47] * minas_tirith blushes
L146[13:00:49] <Mat2ch> Althego: luckily most of the oxygen is made by cyano bacteria
L147[13:01:01] <Mat2ch> and they like it warm and CO2 rich
L148[13:01:17] <Althego> which will soon die because of pollution and the ocean acidity following the temperature rise
L149[13:01:43] <Althego> the biggest extinction was caused by carbon dioxide
L150[13:02:47] <Mat2ch> I thought it was caused by a giant asteroid hitting the earth where today greenland lies
L151[13:03:12] <Mat2ch> causing dust clouds covering the earth for years and an ice age
L152[13:04:10] <Althego> no, that was the dinosaur extinction, not too deadly
L153[13:04:21] <Althego> oh wait that was not on greenland
L154[13:04:52] <Mat2ch> oh, you are right
L155[13:05:33] <Mat2ch> I confused that with the one that probably caused Atlantis to be destroyed and inspired the story of Noahs arch
L156[13:05:39] <Mat2ch> *ark
L157[13:08:29] <Althego> anyway hydrogen sulfid creating bacteria in the oceans is bad
L158[13:08:41] <Althego> imagine that, only higher altitudes would be habitable
L159[13:09:01] <Althego> a few mountain tribes would survive
L160[13:09:12] <Althego> erasing all technology and hsitory
L161[13:10:02] <Mat2ch> History won't be erased if we're not too stupid.
L162[13:10:30] <Althego> our data storage is not too reliable. even though it is digital and can be copied, it doesnt last long
L163[13:10:37] <Mat2ch> And higher latitude places will probably be habitable or become habitable.
L164[13:10:39] <Althego> in contrast to stone tablets
L165[13:11:13] <Mat2ch> Uhm, micro film is made from plastic and stored in underground bunkers. There are even technologies that store information in glass plates
L166[13:11:23] <Mat2ch> this will last thousands of years
L167[13:11:26] <Althego> no, because the poision gas from the oceans would kill everything in lower altitudes. which means whatever the latitude, there would be no place to live
L168[13:12:21] <Mat2ch> We will adapt. We can filter it out. People will probably live inside of glass domes then, but they will live
L169[13:12:48] <Althego> not without food
L170[13:13:02] <Mat2ch> Look at where people are living today. From places where temperatures go down to -50° C and lower to places where temperatures reach over 50° C regularly
L171[13:13:14] <Mat2ch> green houses, with air filters
L172[13:13:43] <Althego> replication complete
L173[13:13:52] <Althego> but i still have to finish broken sword 5
L174[13:14:39] <Mat2ch> Also Cyano bacteria usually don't make H2S, but just oxygen
L175[13:14:50] <Althego> that is the issue
L176[13:14:57] <Althego> as temperature goes up, those die off
L177[13:15:05] <Althego> basically everything dies in the ocieans
L178[13:15:06] <Mat2ch> I don't think so
L179[13:15:21] <Althego> what remains produces hydrogen sulfide
L180[13:15:22] <Mat2ch> the northern and southern parts of the ocean will never be too hot for them
L181[13:15:24] <Althego> happened once
L182[13:15:31] <Althego> not the hotness
L183[13:15:39] <Althego> the chemical composition
L184[13:15:59] <Althego> shelled animals wouldnt be able to make shells. chorals die out too
L185[13:19:32] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnUq33HCLzU
L186[13:19:37] <packbart> that's where microplastic comes in
L187[13:19:50] <Althego> needless to say, this is where you come in
L188[13:19:56] <Althego> (ksp mission style)
L189[13:20:16] <packbart> shelled animals could evolve to integrate plastic shells
L190[13:21:03] <Althego> i think i have to watch this video
L191[13:21:09] <Althego> seems to be going into great detail
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L196[13:49:11] <Althego> hehe, conclusion: blame it on pangea
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L214[16:37:10] <Althego> so when is the falcon eye 2 launch? nextrocket has a date a day later
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L216[17:16:11] <Tank2333> Hi
L217[17:16:12] <Mod9000> Hello, Tank2333
L218[17:16:36] <FLHerne> Hey
L219[17:18:14] <Tank2333> Im just watching Star trek Discovery and anscent Science girl said 2 ships blew up but with a time difference of one millionth of a Mikro second
L220[17:18:16] <Tank2333> or so
L221[17:18:52] <Tank2333> is that even possible? a mikrosecond is retty short already
L222[17:19:42] <Tank2333> Planck second or so is the limit isnt it? kinda
L223[17:23:46] <packbart> microseconds are rather long, actually. ok, it depends on the use
L224[17:24:23] <Althego> completely possible
L225[17:24:27] <packbart> I timed loops in nanoseconds. high-power pulse lasers fire for a pico- or even femtosecond
L226[17:24:31] <Althego> yes planck time is far away
L227[17:24:41] <Tank2333> ah ok
L228[17:25:11] <packbart> planck time is something*10^-43 seconds
L229[17:25:42] <UmbralRaptor> Considering that ships tend to be a few hundred nanoseconds across, explosions that are the same at the picosecond scale are odd
L230[17:25:59] <Tank2333> a mikro second is 10^-6 isnt it?
L231[17:26:14] <UmbralRaptor> yeah
L232[17:26:16] <Tank2333> so one millionth of that is 10^-12?
L233[17:26:24] <Tank2333> i dont know how math works though
L234[17:26:42] <UmbralRaptor> well, microsecond in en-US
L235[17:26:49] <Tank2333> oh
L236[17:26:53] <UmbralRaptor> also yes
L237[17:27:59] <Tank2333> in the new season 1000 years in the future all dilithium got "inert" and exploded everywhere at the same time... its called "the Burn"
L238[17:28:59] <FLHerne> Star Trek physics is a bit weird
L239[17:29:00] <Tank2333> and now they try to triangulate the origin of the burn
L240[17:29:05] <packbart> ST Discovery was getting too whacky for me. I didn't quite follow the plot
L241[17:29:25] <FLHerne> Not just in Discovery, it's never made a lot of sense by regular-universe standards
L242[17:30:07] <Tank2333> its garbage, and in season 3 every episode has a vastley diffeent tone and theme to it, very odd
L243[17:31:15] <packbart> well at least Discovery shows that people don't change. "this fungidrive destroys the habitat of the fungigrades - not our problem. we need to go places" :)
L244[17:31:36] <Althego> i even heard people saying that orville which is a sort of comedy thing is better star trek than the current star trek
L245[17:32:35] <Tank2333> Packbart they forgot about the part that the Fungidrive destroys the fungiuniverse, they are happy to jump all over the plays in the new season
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L247[17:32:57] <Tank2333> "no body has warp but we can go places yeahhhhh"
L248[17:33:56] <packbart> the warp drive also destroys the universe
L249[17:35:08] <UmbralRaptor> I want to say that in early Voyager they mentioned that they'd ended that problem with warp field design
L250[17:35:21] <Tank2333> althego well the central character is the adopted sister of spok and she is a Black strong emotional intelligent responsible who ries alot and doesnt follow orders
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L252[17:35:47] <Althego> even in next generation there was an episode where it turned out warp drives have some kind of negative effect on space
L253[17:36:03] <Tank2333> yeah i remember that episode now :)
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L255[17:37:50] <Tank2333> in discovery though the techno babble is pure techno babble, in old trek often the episode was about solving a problem
L256[17:42:38] <Tank2333> also the writers of the show think Dilithium is "Fuel" for the Warp engines... and even the Romulans forgot that they dont use Antimatter for Energy... well
L257[17:43:06] <Althego> this sounds dumb
L258[17:43:20] <packbart> well, there will be a Great Reset after all, before TOS begins. all old knowledge will be lost
L259[17:43:32] <Althego> dilithium is more like a catalyzer, and romulans use a miniature artificial black hole as power source
L260[17:44:21] <packbart> I'm unclear of where the Discovery timeline fits into Starfleet history
L261[17:44:24] <Althego> to me everything starting with abrams and later is non canon. i dont care, i will not look into them, will not watch them
L262[17:50:28] <Tank2333> at the end of season2 of discovery they had a big fight with an AI wich was after some sort of ancient knowledge artifact, and Discovery escaped 930 years into the future so the AI cant get them ( if i where the AI i would just wait :) ) and since the discovery with its spore drive is was seret tech of the Federation i think it officially "never existed" or so... they kind of reset the timeline every new season because they write
L263[17:50:28] <Tank2333> themselfs into a corner (the script writers)
L264[17:52:25] <Tank2333> i think in second season there where a few episodes with Cpt. Pike, i liked him. he was doing captain stuff, not like most people in charge in this show
L265[17:53:36] <Althego> unfortunately studios destroy all big franchises. star trek, star wars and doctor who. (i never watched any doctor who)
L266[17:53:59] <packbart> oh, right. I forgot they jumped from Before Kirk to a near future
L267[17:54:25] <Tank2333> far future
L268[17:54:40] <packbart> 1000 years are not very far, I'd say
L269[17:54:59] <Althego> far for humans
L270[17:55:49] <Tank2333> well federation is destroyed klingons nowhere to be seen, vulkans and romulans reunited and living on Nadir´ (old Vulcan)
L271[17:56:36] <packbart> I've been listening to too many scifi audio books that have people travel for a few thousand years via cryo-sleep or laserbeam. The Culture universe throws even larger numbers
L272[17:56:47] <Tank2333> Terran universe Drifted away (what ever that means) and
L273[17:56:56] <Tank2333> Altered carbon?
L274[17:57:13] <packbart> which reminds me to begin The Expanse
L275[17:57:23] <Tank2333> expanse is very good
L276[17:57:35] <packbart> no, Alastair Reynolds or Ian Banks
L277[17:57:57] <Tank2333> only watched 2 seasons so far
L278[17:58:55] <Tank2333> my book reading time transformed into Podcast time... :)
L279[18:00:09] <packbart> I listen to audio books. Eyes do not multitask well
L280[18:02:22] <Althego> i read the first book of altered carbon. just because the mc was called kovács :) i was quite disappointed, because there were good ideas in the universe, but it was focusing on action only
L281[18:04:47] <Tank2333> i loved the first one, didnt had the feeling i twas action only though, but its long ago so i dont remeber muh detail
L282[18:07:59] <Tank2333> i used to just grab a random book in supermarkets, read a few sentence and buying it :)
L283[18:19:12] <Tank2333> In discovery they also banned timetravel, they told the crew of the discovery that by jumping into the Future they commited a crime, that strikes me as pretty unfair since they have no chance of knowing that
L284[18:20:20] <Tank2333> because there once was a Temeporal war... maybe they link it to Doctor who...
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L286[18:45:40] <DarthTater> ;mission
L287[18:45:40] <LunchBot> DarthTater: You attempt to detonate the explodium sea. There are mysterious cases of food poisoning in the KSC.
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L289[18:48:30] <DarthTater> is 117 meters a bit too tall for a moon lander launch vehicle?
L290[18:48:38] <DarthTater> lol
L291[18:48:51] <DarthTater> or just perfect for a trip toeve?
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L293[18:52:38] <Althego> no too tall ship, until the kraken eats it
L294[19:05:54] <umbralraptop> You probably want some launch clamps
L295[19:11:46] <DarthTater> naturally
L296[19:11:57] <Althego> who gets it? naturally
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L298[19:11:59] <DarthTater> O forgot but it was quite stable
L299[19:12:32] <DarthTater> what is same vessel interac and do I use it to make probes work
L300[19:14:03] <DarthTater> lmission add no too tall ship, until the kraken eats it
L301[19:14:13] <DarthTater> ;mission add no too tall ship, until the kraken eats it
L302[19:14:13] <LunchBot> DarthTater: Added mission: no too tall ship, until the kraken eats it
L303[19:19:28] <umbralraptop> same-vessel interaction lets parts on the same vessel collide with eachother. If used correctly, craft behave more realistically. In practice, it is an optional feature because it summons krakens
L304[19:20:02] <umbralraptop> ;mission add You misread tako as taco, and attempt to eat the kraken.
L305[19:20:02] <LunchBot> umbralraptop: Added mission: You misread tako as taco, and attempt to eat the kraken.
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L307[19:21:06] <DarthTater> heh
L308[19:21:55] <bees> ;mission
L309[19:21:55] <LunchBot> bees: You introduce Jeb's BadS Workshop to the Astronaut Training School. Your plans are thwarted by the Münar tardigrade colony.
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L311[19:34:21] <DarthTater> probe mission failed due to lack of EC...not enough charge to open the solar panels'
L312[19:34:43] <Althego> hehe
L313[19:34:54] <DarthTater> ;outcome add You don't have enough charge to operate your solar panels.
L314[19:34:54] <LunchBot> DarthTater: Added outcome: You don't have enough charge to operate your solar panels.
L315[19:37:41] <umbralraptop> All hail the OX-STAT
L316[19:38:02] <umbralraptop> (Also, sometimes it seems like adding missions/outcomes is more fun than actually using ;mission)
L317[19:39:06] <DarthTater> it is, yrs
L318[19:39:44] <DarthTater> Year 2, day 256 at 3:36:00ArrivalYear 6, day 161 at 4:24:00Time of flight3 years 331 days 0:48:00Phase angle77.51°Ejection angle113° to progradeEjection inclination-1.81°Ejection Δv1,987 m/s Transfer periapsis13,338 MmTransfer apoapsis75,710 MmTransfer inclination0.39°Transfer angle193°Insertion inclinationN/AInsertion ΔvN/ATotal Δv1,987 m/s
L319[19:40:47] <DarthTater> what is phase angle, is ejection angle the point tobe aligned with when exiting orbit around kerbin, what's all the transfer fluff
L320[19:42:26] <umbralraptop> phase angle would be the angle between your start and end planets when you are doing the burn
L321[19:42:30] <umbralraptop> or moons
L322[19:44:20] * umbralraptop would have to double check on ejection angle >_>;;
L323[19:47:02] <DarthTater> fuf
L324[19:47:22] <DarthTater> I haven't got a protractor
L325[19:48:20] <DarthTater> ;outcome add Due to an error in action group staging, you gravity turn off the mun.
L326[19:48:20] <LunchBot> DarthTater: Added outcome: Due to an error in action group staging, you gravity turn off the mun.
L327[19:48:28] <DarthTater> this just happened to me
L328[19:48:53] <DarthTater> ;mission
L329[19:48:53] <LunchBot> DarthTater: You try to raise money to upgrade your computers on the ground and on your craft. You activated all your separators at once and your ship fell apart.
L330[19:48:55] <packbart> you accidentally the whole gravity?
L331[19:49:08] <DarthTater> rather
L332[19:49:39] <DarthTater> a booster caught up with me whilst still burning and pushed me just so to turn around the mun
L333[19:50:07] <DarthTater> meanwhile i STRUGGLE TO BEAT A THOROUGHBRED BOOSTER WITH A WOLFHOUND
L334[19:50:13] <DarthTater> oof caps
L335[19:51:27] <DarthTater> ironically it proved more efficient than the burn I had set up
L336[19:51:30] <DarthTater> only
L337[19:51:43] <DarthTater> I wanted to go towards duna
L338[19:52:11] <DarthTater> and I'm closer, I suppose, with more
L339[19:52:15] <DarthTater> delta v
L340[19:52:24] <DarthTater> but i'm headed nowhere
L341[19:54:11] <DarthTater> i take it back, I'm sun-bound
L342[19:57:51] <DarthTater> ;outcome add As a result of a clerical error, you crash into the sun.
L343[19:57:51] <LunchBot> DarthTater: Added outcome: As a result of a clerical error, you crash into the sun.
L344[19:58:25] <umbralraptop> ;outcome add As a result of a clerical error, Jebediah becomes the next pope.
L345[19:58:26] <LunchBot> umbralraptop: Added outcome: As a result of a clerical error, Jebediah becomes the next pope.
L346[20:00:26] <packbart> the Kraken's representative on Kerbin
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L350[20:20:10] <DarthTater> heheh
L351[20:21:23] <DarthTater> ;mission add The Katholic Pope Jebediah I holds mass for the worship of Kraken.
L352[20:21:23] <LunchBot> DarthTater: Added mission: The Katholic Pope Jebediah I holds mass for the worship of Kraken.
L353[20:21:51] <Althego> not even scott manley can save you now
L354[20:21:55] <DarthTater> ;outcome add Your pagan ship is torn apart by Krakenists.
L355[20:21:56] <LunchBot> DarthTater: Added outcome: Your pagan ship is torn apart by Krakenists.
L356[20:22:15] <DarthTater> Abstergo perfect
L357[20:22:19] <DarthTater> *althego
L358[20:22:23] <umbralraptop> Katholics?
L359[20:22:33] <DarthTater> yes
L360[20:22:48] <DarthTater> Kerbal antikrakenists
L361[20:22:57] <DarthTater> oh wait
L362[20:23:08] <DarthTater> it should have all been Krakenist
L363[20:23:18] <DarthTater> forget the katholics
L364[20:23:30] <DarthTater> i edited the joke then forgot
L365[20:23:42] <DarthTater> crossed wires
L366[20:25:54] <DarthTater> ;mission fixup s/Katholic/Kraken/
L367[20:25:54] <LunchBot> DarthTater: New text is: The Kraken Pope Jebediah I holds mass for the worship of Kraken.
L368[20:26:28] <DarthTater> ;mission fixup s/Kraken Pope/Krakenist Pope?
L369[20:26:28] <LunchBot> DarthTater: Format for `fixup` should be s/<old>/<new>/
L370[20:26:44] <DarthTater> ;mission fixup s/Kraken Pope/Krakenist Pope/
L371[20:26:44] <LunchBot> DarthTater: New text is: The Krakenist Pope Jebediah I holds mass for the worship of Kraken.
L372[20:26:48] <DarthTater> there
L373[20:27:00] <Althego> ;outcome add The Great Will Of The Macrocosm reverts the mission to launchpad.
L374[20:27:00] <LunchBot> Althego: Added outcome: The Great Will Of The Macrocosm reverts the mission to launchpad.
L375[20:30:56] <DarthTater> ;add outcome You are devoured by the Cosmic Owl ( such is the course of nature.)
L376[20:31:08] <DarthTater> ;add outcome You are devoured by the Cosmic Owl ( such is the course of nature.)
L377[20:31:15] <DarthTater> hm
L378[20:31:45] <Althego> outcome add
L379[20:32:00] <DarthTater> ;outcome add You are devoured by the Cosmic Owl ( such is the course of nature.)
L380[20:32:00] <LunchBot> DarthTater: Added outcome: You are devoured by the Cosmic Owl ( such is the course of nature.)
L381[20:32:09] <DarthTater> kill meh
L382[20:32:13] <Althego> typographically incorrect
L383[20:32:24] <Althego> there is a space after the open parenthesis
L384[20:32:33] <DarthTater> aaaaa
L385[20:33:25] <DarthTater> ;mission fixup s/( such is the course of nature.)/(such is the course of nature.)
L386[20:33:25] <LunchBot> DarthTater: Format for `fixup` should be s/<old>/<new>/
L387[20:33:39] <DarthTater> ;mission fixup s/( such is the course of nature.)/(such is the course of nature.)/
L388[20:33:39] <LunchBot> DarthTater: No recently-mentioned mission found matching "( such is the course of nature.)".
L389[20:33:45] <DarthTater> w h a t
L390[20:33:51] <Althego> possibly you need to escape the parens because those are meaningful in regex
L391[20:34:01] <DarthTater> ;mission
L392[20:34:01] <LunchBot> DarthTater: You build a porkjet-powered plane. A bowl of petunias crashes onto the roof of the Astronaut Complex.
L393[20:34:25] <DarthTater> I succumb to the lunchbot
L394[20:34:39] <Althego> ;mission fixup s/ such is the course of nature./such is the course of nature./
L395[20:34:39] <LunchBot> Althego: No recently-mentioned mission found matching " such is the course of nature.".
L396[20:34:44] <Althego> whatever
L397[20:35:01] <Althego> ;outcome fixup s/ such is the course of nature./such is the course of nature./
L398[20:35:01] <LunchBot> Althego: New text is: You are devoured by the Cosmic Owl (such is the course of nature.)
L399[20:35:21] <DarthTater> hmph
L400[20:35:27] <Althego> wormsign
L401[20:35:35] <DarthTater> um?
L402[20:36:00] <DarthTater> is that some form of sorcery
L403[20:36:09] <DarthTater> sorcery
L404[20:36:19] <DarthTater> sourcery?
L405[20:36:45] <Althego> https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Wormsign
L406[20:37:25] <DarthTater> oh wow I'm dumb
L407[20:38:29] <FLHerne> Althego, DarthTater: No parens, you just need to use ;outcome on outcomes
L408[20:38:51] <FLHerne> (it's not smart enough to do proper regex :p)
L409[20:38:55] <Althego> hehe
L410[20:39:06] <Althego> then why have the syntax lol
L411[20:39:20] <DarthTater> I am inept and don't know what you mean
L412[20:39:28] <FLHerne> It has to use *some* kind of syntax
L413[20:39:34] <DarthTater> regex?
L414[20:39:52] <DarthTater> reggie's regex regatta
L415[20:40:20] <Althego> man it is in python
L416[20:40:24] <FLHerne> Regular expressions are a useful but strange way to match specific strings
L417[20:40:26] <Althego> python has powerful regex
L418[20:40:54] <FLHerne> Yes, I could easily make it use regex if I thought that would be helpful
L419[20:41:35] <FLHerne> But when is anyone going to deliberately edit missions with a regex?
L420[20:42:58] <packbart> you gave them a wiki, prepare for edit-wars ;)
L421[20:43:21] <Althego> hehe
L422[20:46:29] <FLHerne> At least we have !banlist now
L423[20:46:32] <Althego> oh no event horizon 3 hours ago
L424[20:48:58] <Althego> how could they say Saptarshi Bandyopadhyay several times without failing it?
L425[20:49:16] <Althego> probably lot of practice
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L427[21:06:25] <DarthTater> i judt did
L428[21:06:28] <DarthTater> lol
L429[21:08:36] <DarthTater> Any ideas on how to get 300 kerbals to duna
L430[21:09:02] <umaxtu> save hacking?
L431[21:09:31] <Althego> i think danny2462 has hundreds of methods through breaking physics
L432[21:10:59] <DarthTater> If I was going to cheat I'd use the menu for it
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L434[21:17:58] <Althego> scott 27 minutes ago
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L436[21:22:44] <FLHerne> DarthTater: The Mk3 passenger cabins hold 16, so you only need 20-odd
L437[21:22:59] <Althego> i would go with command seats
L438[21:23:24] <FLHerne> Maybe four ships with five cabins each
L439[21:23:24] <packbart> but that's two parts per Kerbal
L440[21:23:48] <FLHerne> And who wants to sit in an external seat for five months?
L441[21:23:55] <Althego> kerbals
L442[21:24:35] <packbart> there's a gravity ring station part that holds about 50 Kerbals, I think
L443[21:24:48] <FLHerne> Ring station of 6x segments made of 3x Mk3 cabins each?
L444[21:25:09] <FLHerne> Gives you 288, then put a few more pods on the axis
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L450[21:53:15] <DarthTater> but how
L451[21:53:37] <DarthTater> I would happily hAve them sit outside for 5 months
L452[21:53:57] <DarthTater> though i prefer the ring station idea, I have no idea how to make a ring
L453[21:54:19] <DarthTater> the must be a shortcut I don't know
L454[21:54:31] <packbart> well, in the next version of KSP, you could launch the segments and weld them in orbit
L455[21:55:29] <packbart> otherwise docking ports, a very large fairing or one of the existing orbital launch mods
L456[21:56:24] <DarthTater> I'm almost at the transfer window for jool but I haven't the slightest how to get the delta v without my weight making it pointless
L457[21:56:30] <packbart> to make a ring, you'd need to rotate and clip the parts a little bit. then stick docking ports or struts at the ends
L458[21:56:35] <DarthTater> or possibly, my burns are ineficcient
L459[21:57:38] <DarthTater> clearly, but that isn't allowed for with the symmetry unless you switch it to the round one but then it's terribly inaccurate and the lasst thing I want is an egg
L460[21:57:52] <DarthTater> *inefficient
L461[21:58:17] <packbart> should work with angle-snapping, too
L462[21:59:45] <packbart> I'd maybe connect a few of these: https://i.imgur.com/LHUSqWc.png (from SSPXr)
L463[21:59:58] <packbart> folds up into a 3.75m part
L464[22:02:50] <FLHerne> DarthTater: You just need the docking ports on the end of each segment rotated 30° 'upward'
L465[22:02:54] <packbart> even this old thing can't hold 300 Kerbals... https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/20190103212232_1.jpg
L466[22:03:03] <packbart> only two launches for 118 Kerbals, though
L467[22:03:06] <FLHerne> That works with angle-snap if you use shift-rotate
L468[22:03:29] <FLHerne> Modded parts seems like cheating :p
L469[22:04:28] <packbart> why? they have a fair and stock-ish volume and crew capacity
L470[22:04:48] <packbart> I wouldn't play without the Stockalike Station Parts
L471[22:04:53] <packbart> :)
L472[22:04:55] <DarthTater> wasn't there something with 64 way symmetry
L473[22:05:13] <DarthTater> I have the station parts but nye
L474[22:05:35] <DarthTater> I want to use stock and use the mk3
L475[22:06:17] <DarthTater> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!
L476[22:06:20] <DarthTater> lol
L477[22:06:52] <DarthTater> I will do this just to (playfully) spite you all.
L478[22:07:00] <DarthTater> 300 kerbals
L479[22:07:25] <DarthTater> in the meantime, what am I doing wrong with jool
L480[22:07:33] <DarthTater> lol
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L484[22:17:39] <DarthTater> before I launch, is 23 tons too large of a final stage to get to jool
L485[22:18:07] <DarthTater> considering my skill level (I started about a month ago)
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L487[22:21:59] <packbart> I don't know. probably depends on how much of it is fuel (and the resulting dV)
L488[22:26:51] <DarthTater> 2 tons of it is fuel but I'm not using it for transfer, I was going to build a 3 stage rocket beneath it to get it there
L489[22:27:28] <DarthTater> also how do I know if I'm facing the right way for an ejection angle
L490[22:28:02] <DarthTater> is it related to the longgitude and latitude on the navblal
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L496[22:53:51] <Qubyte> hi
L497[22:53:52] <Mod9000> Hello, Qubyte
L498[22:54:13] <DarthTater> eyo
L499[22:54:15] <Qubyte> today i'm going to dres, the most boring rock ever
L500[22:54:45] <DarthTater> today I'm a noob, so i can't figure out how to get to jool
L501[22:54:50] <DarthTater> lol
L502[22:55:21] <DarthTater> Idid accidentally catch dres once, but crashlanded violently in a canyon
L503[22:56:10] <Qubyte> it's just rapid ablative lithobraking lol
L504[22:57:15] <Qubyte> well, that does count as landing, even if it was only for one physics frame
L505[22:58:04] <DarthTater> rapid...what?
L506[22:58:43] <Qubyte> lithobraking is like areobraking, but with the lithosphere instead
L507[22:58:51] <Qubyte> some know it as "crashing", but it is not the case
L508[22:58:59] <DarthTater> lmao
L509[22:59:48] <DarthTater> ugh I'm at the jool tranfer windowww
L510[23:00:05] <Qubyte> i hate timewarping to transfer windows
L511[23:00:16] <Qubyte> it takes forever, and i always feel like i warped past it by accident
L512[23:00:38] <Qubyte> if you aren't already, try splitting up your ejection burn up into 2 parts
L513[23:00:44] <DarthTater> now i'm at it I don't really know if ejection angle relates to the navball or?
L514[23:01:02] <DarthTater> coast stage?
L515[23:01:36] <Qubyte> https://ksp.olex.biz/ explains it the best
L516[23:01:52] <DarthTater> basically this is my first tranfer where I know sort of what I'm doing and I don't understand the process
L517[23:02:07] <DarthTater> THAT is what I am using
L518[23:02:12] <Qubyte> oh lol
L519[23:02:17] <DarthTater> I started a month ago
L520[23:02:26] <DarthTater> I don't understand that really
L521[23:02:43] <DarthTater> I wrote fown my ejectoon angle but idk how to tell if I'm at it
L522[23:02:47] <DarthTater> lik
L523[23:02:57] <Qubyte> so rotate your view until kerbin is traveling up relative to your view
L524[23:03:15] <DarthTater> am i supposed to face 115 degrees on the navballl if myy ejection angle is 115
L525[23:03:28] <Qubyte> then you want to put your manuever node at x degrees clockwise relative to the top of your screen
L526[23:04:04] <DarthTater> I can't type lol
L527[23:04:32] <Qubyte> the ejection angle is relative to kerbin's prograde around the sun
L528[23:04:46] <DarthTater> ...
L529[23:05:05] <Qubyte> so look at the orbit line of kerbin, then put your ejection manuver 115 degrees around your orbit from that
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L531[23:05:17] <Qubyte> sorry i kind of suck at explaning things
L532[23:05:28] <DarthTater> and i suck at learning
L533[23:05:30] <Qubyte> more than kind of acturally
L534[23:05:33] <DarthTater> evidently
L535[23:06:35] <DarthTater> that sent in a weird order
L536[23:08:24] * umbralraptop feels like a lot of stuff with ejection angles, etc is easiest to understand with a whiteboard
L537[23:08:43] <DarthTater> or a blackboard
L538[23:08:52] <DarthTater> let's be equal opportunity here
L539[23:08:54] <DarthTater> lol
L540[23:09:12] <Qubyte> i think a blackboard/whiteboard is acturally going to be the hardest way to teach here
L541[23:09:31] <umbralraptop> I mean, sketching out positions etc
L542[23:09:33] <Qubyte> well, i guess you could take a picture
L543[23:09:43] <umbralraptop> well, yes, that is the problem
L544[23:09:46] <Qubyte> oh was making a joke about mailing whiteboards
L545[23:10:29] <Qubyte> question: do cabin window lights consume power when turned on
L546[23:10:38] <DarthTater> lol
L547[23:10:43] <DarthTater> yes?
L548[23:10:48] <DarthTater> I think
L549[23:11:00] <DarthTater> I've been told insufficient power before
L550[23:11:00] <Qubyte> i feel lazy and i want to bind my solar panels to the light action group
L551[23:11:00] <umbralraptop> ...I forget. I think they do now but didn't at one time in the past?
L552[23:11:07] <Qubyte> ok, thanks
L553[23:11:19] <DarthTater> but I didn't have enough to extend solar panels either
L554[23:11:27] <Qubyte> f
L555[23:11:46] <DarthTater> full sun, can't charge cos no charge
L556[23:11:57] <Qubyte> i had that happen after i frogot to extend my solar panels during a probe controlled rescue mission
L557[23:11:59] <umbralraptop> ;mission add Instead of tea, you brew TEA-TEB.
L558[23:11:59] <LunchBot> umbralraptop: Added mission: Instead of tea, you brew TEA-TEB.
L559[23:12:22] <Qubyte> mmm i sure love hypergolic rocket fuel
L560[23:12:29] <DarthTater> ;missonion
L561[23:12:37] <DarthTater> ;mission
L562[23:12:38] <LunchBot> DarthTater: You ask someone what is their K/D on KSP. And everyone was run over by a space bus driven by the kraken.
L563[23:13:16] <Qubyte> isn't there a mod for handheld weapons for BDA+KIS
L564[23:13:48] <Qubyte> get that + a mutiplayer mod and build a battlebus using one of the airship mods
L565[23:14:14] <Qubyte> install kerbal konstructs and make some of your own building
L566[23:14:30] <Qubyte> top 10 worst ideas i've ever come up with
L567[23:14:54] <umbralraptop> There's a game where you build airships and use them to try to takeover the world
L568[23:15:23] <Qubyte> and i just realized i frogot all about staging
L569[23:15:49] <umbralraptop> https://zarkonnen.itch.io/airships
L570[23:18:04] <Qubyte> hmm
L571[23:19:22] <Qubyte> if i lift my ship up to the top of the VAB and then add some launch struts, i'm goning to get more dV
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L577[23:34:13] <DarthTater> so...how doI eject at 115 degrees
L578[23:34:17] <DarthTater> lol
L579[23:34:32] <DarthTater> because it seems I'd need to go the wrong way
L580[23:36:17] <Qubyte> what do you mean?
L581[23:39:08] <DarthTater> I'd have to be on a retrograde orbit to eject at thant angle
L582[23:39:12] <DarthTater> I think
L583[23:42:10] <DarthTater> aaand I have inexplicably lost probe control
L584[23:42:43] <Qubyte> power? antennas?
L585[23:45:12] <umbralraptop> 5x timewarp?
L586[23:45:43] <DarthTater> 1x
L587[23:45:49] <flayer> just incompetence then?
L588[23:45:56] <DarthTater> or is that a suggestion
L589[23:46:03] <DarthTater> oh bugger off
L590[23:46:08] <flayer> kek
L591[23:46:38] <umbralraptop> uh
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L593[23:52:46] <Qubyte> today i learned that pane changes suck
L594[23:53:05] <Qubyte> 950 m/s spent on a 5 degree pane change to dres...
L595[23:53:17] <Qubyte> do i even have enough margin for this?
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