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L11[01:36:57] <Jovian_Oracle> What would
cause all but one of my Unity games, including KSP, to suddenly not
launch?
L12[01:37:39] <Jovian_Oracle> I am getting
a window from the Unity engine or whatever, a crash log that
doesn't really tell me anything, and then the Unity using games
simply don't start.
L13[01:38:01] <Jovian_Oracle> They were
literally running earlier today too with the same hardware.
L14[01:41:30] <FLHerne> Depends what you
did today :p
L15[01:41:50] <FLHerne> You should paste
the crash log somewhere, it might tell someone something
L16[01:42:10] <FLHerne> What OS?
L17[01:42:49] <Jovian_Oracle> The only
thing I did today was replace my 60hz monitor with a larger, 185hz
monitor, but I actually ran KSP in the new one without Vsync.
L18[01:42:57] <Jovian_Oracle> Also, Windows
10, just updated after the problem.
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L20[01:45:00] <Jovian_Oracle> Same with the
GPU Drivers.
L21[01:45:52] <umaxtu> oooh! what monitor
did you get?
L22[01:46:32] <FLHerne> Given it's not
Linux, I don't have a clue, so -> sleep
L23[01:46:35] <FLHerne> goodnight
L24[01:46:47] <Jovian_Oracle> Sceptre
M32
L25[01:47:07] <Jovian_Oracle> I'm hooked in
with the DP instead of the HDMI I previously used.
L26[01:47:33] <Jovian_Oracle> But I'm not
sure why my Unity games all borked out at once aside from
Battletech
L27[01:48:29] <umaxtu> do you have MSI
afterburner and/or riva tuner running?
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L29[01:51:05] <Jovian_Oracle> I don't think
so, but I'll check.
L30[01:51:52] <Jovian_Oracle> Nope.
L31[01:51:57] <umaxtu> hmm
L32[01:54:13] <Jovian_Oracle> I've noted
that Battletech has also not been updated as recently as the
others, so there may be some underlying Unity thing going on.
L33[01:54:36] <Jovian_Oracle> Ahhhh . . .
It's also on my D: drive.
L34[01:55:08] <Jovian_Oracle> I'm going to
move KSP to the D: drive and see what happens.
L35[01:59:01] <Jovian_Oracle> Nope. Still
doesn't work. I just tried another game I didn't know was Unity
based, Two Point Hospital, and that's running.
L36[02:00:00] <Jovian_Oracle> So why would
KSP, Subnautica and Hardspace start failing all the sudden?
L37[02:01:15] <Jovian_Oracle> Deserts of
Kharak is also running. This is just silly.
L38[02:06:29] <Jovian_Oracle> Alright, so
there are a few potential solutions I've found on Reddit.
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L40[02:13:22] <Jovian_Oracle> And they
didn't work.
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L42[02:21:38] <Jovian_Oracle> Backdating to
a previous version of KSP did not help.
L43[02:21:47] <Jovian_Oracle> I'm wondering
if Unity is having a phone home issue?
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L48[02:36:10] <Jovian_Oracle> Alright. I'm
pretty sure something has gone really wrong with the
UnityPlayer.dlls included in the diseased games.
L49[02:41:30] <Jovian_Oracle> Endless Space
2 also works.
L50[02:41:40] <Jovian_Oracle> What in the
name of the Kraken is going on with the bad three then?
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L68[06:34:58] <raptop> Althego: they
successfully avoided pulling a galileo?
L69[06:35:46] <Althego> but why does it
have such a big dish, it is in orbit around earth
L70[06:37:37] <raptop> apparently it's for
radar purposes
L71[06:42:04] <Althego> i thought sar was a
long antenna perpendicular to the motion of the satellite
L72[06:45:54] <raptop> it depends? It looks
like Magellan used a 3.7 m high gain antenna for SAR
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L81[08:00:27] <Althego> but why is it
brown
L82[08:08:25] <darsie> Althego: forwarded
to ##astronomy@freenode
L84[08:14:05] <darsie> hehe
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L92[09:23:36] <Althego> the second was
accidentally the same as the first
L93[09:24:34] <Truga> lmao elan
L94[09:25:46] <Mat2ch> Hrm, KSP2 in 2022...
weeeellll
L95[09:26:07] <Althego> i wonder what they
want to do that takes so long?
L96[09:26:12] <Althego> or maybe some
people quit?
L97[09:26:14] <Deddly> I'm hoping
cybertruck will be a proper amphibious vehicle.
L98[09:26:27] <Mat2ch> I really wonder if
they have external consultants, who take a look at the thing and
tell them, where they planned wrong
L99[09:26:38] <Althego> there was a tweet
with a joke pic where it is in water like some boat
L100[09:26:43] <Mat2ch> one of the most
common problems in software development is underestimating the time
it needs
L101[09:27:12] <Truga> teslas are too
heavy to be amphibious with their volume
L103[09:27:15] <Althego> but the
interesting thing is the legless design
L104[09:27:33] <Mat2ch> I sometimes keep
doing that myself. But I'm getting better.
L105[09:27:37] <Deddly> I don't have any
inside information, but Nate did say that time is the only factor
holding them back from adding certain killer features he would love
to see in the game. I would imagine that as long as KSP1 is
bringing in revenue, it has to be worthwhile spending more time on
2 to add those features.
L106[09:27:42] <Althego> that would mean
they can get rid of that mass too
L107[09:27:43] <Truga> a ton of battery
ain't a joke
L108[09:27:58] <Deddly> Truga, uh,
no
L109[09:28:12] <Mat2ch> Althego: legless
design, I will be very impressed if they manage to do that.
L110[09:28:18] <Deddly> They are heavy,
yes, but their density is not even close to that of water
L111[09:29:00] <Mat2ch> Truga: if you want
to see really heavy things that will float some day, look for Acorn
to Arabella. That is all heavy heavy stuff. And will still
float.
L112[09:29:04] <Truga> doesn't matter, you
need a good amount of safety doing amphibious because boats bounce
and list
L113[09:29:19] <Deddly> EV vehicles are a
bit heavier than ICE-powered ones, but they really are not that
much heavier for that to be a significant factor
L114[09:29:20] <Truga> and then you get
water in the trunk and rip
L115[09:30:18] <Deddly> Truga, using that
argument, you could claim that no road vehicle could ever be
amphibious, but that is clearly not the case
L116[09:30:19] <Mat2ch> And to KSP2:
Please KSP devs get some outsiders to have a look at the insides of
what you are doing! It's too easy to go blind in a project!
L117[09:30:40] <Truga> no tesla shaped
road vehicle is ever going to be amphibious yes
L119[09:31:18] <Truga> now google how many
sank lmao
L120[09:31:50] <Deddly> Truga, if any
sank, it was due to corrosion. The Amphicar was renowned for
it.
L121[09:32:38] <Deddly> Truga, amphibious
road cars might not be suitable for crossing an ocean, but they are
certain stable enough to be used on a lake or river
L123[09:33:03] <Truga> Curb weight2,324 lb
(1,054 kg)
L124[09:33:06] <Truga> lmao
L125[09:33:08] <Truga> cmon dude
L126[09:33:41] <Truga> a fucking clio is
heavier than that these days
L127[09:33:52] <Deddly> Truga, no swearing
in this channel please
L128[09:33:56] <Truga> sorry
L129[09:33:58] <Truga> i forget
L130[09:34:01] <Deddly> Thank you
L131[09:34:57] <Truga> on no i lied
L132[09:34:59] <Truga> The latest Clio
weighs significantly less than the current model, with the lightest
version coming in at just 1,042kg
L133[09:35:03] <Deddly> But it seriously
isn't about the weight. It's all about where the buoyancy is placed
and where the weight is. In the case of a Tesla, almost all the
weight is down low, which gives it a stability advantage right from
the start
L134[09:35:24] <Mat2ch> Truga: uh,
1466kg
L135[09:35:26] <Truga> yeah, but larger
weight means you need a larger hull
L136[09:35:46] <Deddly> Truga, The
Cybertruck is enormous
L137[09:35:46] <Mat2ch> The Cybertruck has
a much larger hull
L138[09:35:47] <Truga> i guess suvs are
pretty popular but
L139[09:35:56] <Deddly> It's like 6 metres
long
L140[09:36:14] <Truga> lmao so it's not
only a tesla it's also impractical :v
L141[09:36:34] <Mat2ch> where are you
from? Probably not the US. Have a look at the Ford F150
L142[09:36:36] <Deddly> The Cybertruck is
incredibly impractical in Europe, yes
L143[09:36:41] <Mat2ch> it's one of the
best selling trucks there...
L144[09:36:56] <Deddly> Australia and the
US, that's not an issue
L145[09:37:00] <Truga> f150 is a suv and
yeah i know that
L146[09:37:12] <Deddly> F150 is a
truck
L147[09:37:45] <Truga> ok yeah it's a
truck
L148[09:37:50] <Mat2ch> 6.2 m long, 2 m
wide, almost 2h high
L149[09:37:56] <Mat2ch> those things are
monsters!
L150[09:38:15] <Mat2ch> *2 m high
L151[09:38:35] <Mat2ch> (two hours high
would be an interesting format to measure things)
L152[09:38:43] <Deddly> It sounds to me
more like you're slagging off Tesla rather than discussing whether
it would be possible for it to be amphibious
L153[09:39:10] <Truga> well tesla is just
so funny to me
L154[09:39:34] <Deddly> EVs in general or
just Tesla?
L155[09:39:38] <Truga> just tesla
L156[09:39:40] <Truga> EVs own
L157[09:40:12] <Deddly> What in particular
with Tesla do you not like?
L158[09:40:18] <Truga> oh i love it
L160[09:42:04] <Truga> it's just a
constant stream of laughter
L161[09:42:26] <Deddly> So it's Elon Musk
you don't like?
L162[09:42:42] <Truga> oh elon's
definitely a loon too
L163[09:43:31] <Deddly> I'm no Tesla
fanboy, but it's difficult to find a serious argument against the
cars, apart from up-front purchase cost, which is not a problem
unique to Tesla
L164[09:44:04] <Truga> i dunno, i'd expect
a $30k car to not, you know, fall apart during normal
operation
L165[09:44:22] <Deddly> Teething issues
are not unique to Tesla
L166[09:44:22] <Truga> i've been told
"just wait until the german/chinese factory comes online for
that" before, but that remains to be seen imo
L167[09:44:52] <Deddly> Recalls in the car
industry are perhaps more commonplace than you know
L168[09:45:07] <Truga> yes, and tesla
instead just chooses to ignore the problem
L169[09:45:09] <Truga> rather than
recall
L170[09:45:19] <Truga> unless they're
absolutely forced to, obvs
L171[09:45:44] <Deddly> Are you referring
to the rear fender ripping of some of the early Model Y when
driving through standing water?
L172[09:47:17] <Truga> i honestly don't
remember all the issues they had with their stuff, there was wompy
wheels, snow getting stuck under it, fender thing
L173[09:47:31] <Truga> it's a constant
stream of pat & mat style hilarity
L174[09:48:10] <Deddly> They do fix those
issues, you know
L175[09:50:00] <Deddly> They are by no
means the best out there, but I don't think they deserve the
vitriol that is thrown their way by some who do not own one and
never have done.
L176[09:50:31] <Truga> yeah i was kinda
hyped for teslas, but the things they deliver at the price they
deliver? might as well buy a toyota
L177[09:50:50] <Deddly> What Toyota?
L178[09:50:57] <Deddly> A self-charging
one?
L179[09:51:00] <Truga> prius i
guess?
L180[09:51:21] <Truga> or that plug-in
yaris they had
L181[09:51:24] <Truga> dunno if it still
exists
L182[09:51:26] <Deddly> Toyota lost all
the respect I had for them with their deliberately misleading
advertising
L183[09:52:09] <Truga> lol them i'm sure
you'll also disown tesla because elon keeps advertising "full
self driving in 3 months"
L184[09:52:30] <Truga> never, ever look at
ads
L185[09:52:33] <Truga> :v
L186[09:53:12] <Deddly> Oh the FSD thing
has always been a fiasco, though the actual FDS functionality they
eventually developed is very good
L187[09:53:18] <Deddly> FSD*
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L189[09:55:11] <Deddly> The worst thing
Tesla do is list the price as "after incentives and fuel
savings" on their website
L190[09:55:28] <Truga> lol yeah
L191[09:55:37] <Truga> that'd be literally
against the law in EU i think
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L193[09:55:46] <Deddly> I believe so,
yes.
L194[09:55:52] <Deddly> They don't do that
in the EU
L195[09:56:00] <Deddly> (last I
checked)
L196[09:56:04] <Mat2ch> Truga: uh, I've
got a BMW. It was a year old when I bought it. The first fan motor
for the fresh air system had to be replaced, because it was making
loud noises.
L197[09:56:32] <Truga> :shrug: bmws are
way too expensive imo
L198[09:56:39] <Deddly> Seriously though,
if you're in the market for an EV that you intend to use for long
journeys, there is still currently nothing that really comes
close
L199[09:56:45] <Mat2ch> Truga: half a year
later the whole timing chain had to be replaced, because they
designed it to weak and it could break (and in some cars did break)
and destroy the whole engine
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L201[09:57:13] <Mat2ch> Truga: to replace
that chain and all the gears you have to lift the engine out of the
car. It took them three days to do the repair
L202[09:57:23] <Truga> so you're saying
german quality is a lie? noooo
L203[09:57:24] <Truga> lmao
L204[09:57:36] <Althego> FSD, i always
think of frame shift drive :)
L205[09:57:41] <Truga> same
L206[09:57:43] <Althego> now that would be
nice
L207[09:57:52] <Truga> friendship drive
engaging
L208[09:57:53] <Mat2ch> Some parts are
well designed, others are not. That's it.
L209[09:58:05] <Deddly> BMW are still
great cars, but even they have issues. Same with every single other
car ever made
L210[09:58:33] <Althego> german quality is
a lie
L211[09:58:35] <Mat2ch> Now the car is
getting 10 years old and it is starting to rust, because the paint
on the underside wasn't applied well enough. That's BMW quality
right there.
L212[09:58:41] <Althego> inset the
aastronaut with gun picture
L213[09:58:51] <Althego> i dont know when
it became a lie
L214[09:59:15] <Deddly> I drive a Dacia
Duster. If you open the fuel cap cover too quickly, it smashes into
the body work and chips a chunk out of the paint.
L215[09:59:15] <Althego> but whenever i
meet something german, it sucks
L216[09:59:18] <Mat2ch> It is like
everywhere: There are good things and bad things and you have to
look around to get them.
L217[09:59:43] <Mat2ch> You clearly need
some Wera or Wiha screw drivers an pliers in your life. ;)
L218[09:59:55] <Mat2ch> Or Hazet
stuff
L219[09:59:58] <Deddly> What's that?
L220[10:00:18] <Mat2ch> Tools. Very high
priced tools ;)
L221[10:00:39] <Deddly> Ah
L222[10:00:47] <Deddly> Dacia don't do
high precision, hehe
L223[10:01:22] <Truga> anyway, afaik the
good EV these days is kona EV, but that's also a suv so it's
neither here nor there
L224[10:01:40] <Mat2ch> Althego: and Miele
appliances of course ;)
L225[10:01:42] <Deddly> I like driving a
vehicle that is unashamedly a bunch of old stuff thrown together.
Reasonably good quality parts, but nevertheless old and outdated
ones. But it works, and it works very wel
L226[10:01:45] <Deddly> l
L227[10:01:46] <Truga> i'm hoping that
chinese ev gets introduced here
L228[10:02:07] <Deddly> Truga, Kona is a
great car, but not for long journeys with that DC charging max
rate
L229[10:02:11] <Mat2ch> wait, you want
Quality and hope for Chinese stuff?
L230[10:02:13] *
Mat2ch hides
L231[10:02:31] <Deddly> Mat2ch, that's
what people used to say about Japanese cars
L232[10:02:48] <Mat2ch> Deddly: Bjørn
would not approve.
L233[10:03:05] <Truga> 99% of my stuff is
chinese made and is quality stuff :shrug:
L234[10:03:07] <Deddly> Mat2ch, he
didn't
L235[10:03:08] <Mat2ch> Well, Japanese
cars are falling behind when it comes to EVs, so...
L236[10:03:40] <Deddly> 22 KW max charge
in cold weather, 45 in warm. That just isn't enough
L237[10:04:22] <Deddly> But as long as you
are charging at home overnight, the Kona is an excellent
choice
L239[10:04:48] <Truga> saw a review
somewhere, seemed neat
L240[10:04:59] <Deddly> Honda do a nice
little EV
L241[10:05:04] <Truga> Electric range301
km (187 mi) (NEDC)
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L243[10:05:13] <Deddly> NEDC lol
L244[10:05:28] <Truga> that's enough to
get anywhere in my country even if real range is half
L245[10:05:44] <Deddly> Sounds perfect for
your use case, then
L246[10:05:51] <Truga> yeah
L247[10:06:05] <Deddly> No need to may a
premium for something with fast charging if you're only going
150km
L248[10:06:12] <Deddly> pay*
L249[10:06:48] <Deddly> The Chevvy Volt
was actually great for that kind of driving
L250[10:06:51] <Truga> unfortunately as
with most chinese exports it's twice as expensive abroad and only
exported to india lmao
L251[10:07:03] <Deddly> (Opel
Ampera)
L252[10:07:35] <Mat2ch> that thing looks
like a copy of the Honda E. Also what about the Zoe?
L253[10:07:50] <Truga> zoe is
expensive
L254[10:07:57] <Deddly> If you can get Zoe
without the battery lease
L255[10:08:13] <Truga> i use my
bike/public transport 99% of the time i don't even need a car
L256[10:08:23] <Truga> but it would be
nice to have one to load skis into twice a year
L257[10:08:37] <Deddly> On a roofrack, I
assume
L258[10:08:41] <Truga> yeah
L259[10:08:55] <Deddly> Rental sounds like
the best option
L260[10:09:02] <Truga> probably yeah
L261[10:09:12] <Truga> then again it's
covid times so who cares LOL
L262[10:09:20] <Deddly> Well, there is
that, hehe
L263[10:09:32] <Mat2ch> Deddly: Renault
sells the battery for 8000 EUR here...
L264[10:09:56] <Deddly> Mat2ch, over here
it's possible to buy the battery too. But not in every country,
last I checked
L265[10:10:16] <Mat2ch> if you need a car
two times a year: RENT IT! It only costs money when it is sitting
around. And I know what I'm speaking of. I have a BMW ;)
L266[10:10:47] <Truga> break my
windows
L267[10:10:49] <Deddly> The problem is,
the resale value of a Zoe with a purchased battery isn't as good as
you would expect, because buyers compare prices with the ones that
have battery rental
L268[10:11:16] <Truga> also batteries
depreciate about as bad as cars, so you're basically depreciating
two cars
L269[10:11:19] <Truga> :v
L270[10:11:49] <Deddly> Naah. Automotive
batteries last ages if you care for them properly
L271[10:12:11] <Truga> yeah but a battery
with 10k km on it might be good as new but will still sell for much
less
L272[10:12:33] <Deddly> A properly-managed
EV battery (especially a Tesla battery) will outlast a diesel
engine
L273[10:13:10] <Deddly> Oh you're talking
about the price? In most countries, EV vehicles hold their value
better than their ICE counterparts
L274[10:13:38] <Mat2ch> Deddly: uhm, I
would drive a good electric car until it dies.
L275[10:13:39] <Deddly> Which sucks if you
want to buy a secondhand one
L276[10:13:58] <Mat2ch> There's only one
really expensive part in there, the other parts are cheap to
replace...
L277[10:14:12] <Deddly> Mat2ch, so would
I
L278[10:14:26] *
packbart uses car-sharing and drives a variety of BMW i3, e-smart
and "classic" cars
L279[10:14:30] <packbart> the i3 looks
weird
L280[10:14:46] <Deddly> Yeah I was never a
fan of the i3 (talking only about looks)
L281[10:15:03] <packbart> nice
acceleration, though
L282[10:15:43] <Deddly> As with most EVs,
to be fair
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L284[10:15:56] <packbart> true
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L286[10:17:22] <Deddly> I test drove a
Tesla P85+ a few years ago
L287[10:17:36] <Deddly> Not because I can
afford one, but because I wanted to play with one, lol
L288[10:18:18] <Deddly> I tapped the
accelerator for a moment and it felt like someone hit the back of
my seat
L289[10:19:36] <packbart> yeah, I'm still
planning on renting both a Tesla and a Maserati for a day each and
compare. it's not too expensive, either
L290[10:20:51] <Deddly> I actually planned
on renting a Tesla for a long road trip I was planning to take once
because I calculated that the rental cost would have been less than
the fuel cost on my own vehicle
L291[10:21:25] <Deddly> Unfortunately, the
car wasn't available on the dates I had requested :/
L292[10:29:46] <Mat2ch> packbart: the lead
designer was weird, too. I had a talk with him at the IAA. Totally
self-absorbed...
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L294[10:52:16] <packbart> well, off to the
office in a Polo
L295[10:52:48] <Deddly> Nice
L296[10:52:59] <packbart> I currently
don't use public transport anymore
L297[10:53:09] <Deddly> Yeah me
neither
L298[10:53:53] <Althego> i dont go
anywhere because of the virus :)
L299[10:54:17] <Althego> i go to the
nearest spar which is like 2 minutes on foot
L300[10:54:33] <packbart> I still go to
the office (ok, it's already noon ;) and meet my 3 coworkers there.
it's a large space, better than sitting at home
L301[10:55:53] <Althego> and i am close to
the end of year hibernation
L302[11:04:36] <Deddly> I always work from
home anyway
L303[11:06:30] <Mat2ch> I work from home
since I got self-employed. But on the other hand, as a consultant,
there's not much work right now. Nobody wants me in their
company...
L304[11:07:13] <Deddly> Don't worry, the
world will end soon ;)
L305[11:07:38] <Mat2ch> How many million
years are we talking about?
L306[11:09:40] <Deddly> Depends which
planet's years we are talking about
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L312[12:01:59] <Mat2ch> Deddly: Earth,
Solar System.
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L314[12:06:44] <Althego> life has a few
hundred million years remaining on earth because of the slow
heating up of the sun
L315[12:07:20] <Althego> that is quite
short if you compare it to the billions of years already gone
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L319[13:58:17] <Althego> with little green
man
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L327[14:13:00] <Guest34064> kerbal space
program
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L329[14:14:07] <packbart> yes
L330[14:20:00] <Althego> hehe
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L335[14:55:10] <FLHerne> The
highest-gravity planet you could possibly use a chemical rocket to
reach orbit from, ignoring engineering and other constraints, is
roughly 10g...
L336[14:55:59] <FLHerne> ...because at
about 10.3g given their assumptions, the necessary rocket is more
massive than the remaining portion of the planet, in which case
you're not really leaving
L337[14:57:10] <Althego> realistically it
is something like 2.5 g. at least i remember it from
somewhere
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L340[15:48:02] <Althego> hehe there is a
whole wikipedia page on finnish profanity
L341[15:49:17] <Mat2ch> And you are not
allowed to post it here! :/
L342[15:51:46] <packbart> "Finns
swear more than their Nordic neighbors or Central Europeans,
reaching the same level as Scots or Russians." :>
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L349[16:09:23] <Althego> however i doubt
they swear more than hungarians :)
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L351[16:33:04] <Althego> eh closure
cancelled
L352[16:33:28] <Althego> so maybe
something happens tomorrow
L353[16:34:38] <Althego> oh wait that was
yesterday. something may happen today, although it doesnt seem like
it
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L355[16:40:02] <Mat2ch> Althego:
NASASpaceflight said in their daily update video that there was a
written warning for all the remaining residents for today...
L356[16:40:23] <Althego> but nothing is
happening
L357[16:41:04] <Mat2ch> It's 10:00 there,
the closure was scheduled for 9:00... maybe they need a bit more
preparation?
L358[16:41:19] <Mat2ch> At least no boom
lifts anymore ;)
L359[16:42:05] <Mat2ch> LabPadre writes
something about a wet dress rehearsel
L360[16:42:14] <Mat2ch> maybe they don't
have to close the road for this
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L362[16:49:28] <Jovian_Oracle> Anyone
techsavy person still alive?
L363[16:50:02] <Althego> i thought oracles
never run into problems sicne they know about them in advance
L364[16:50:34] <Jovian_Oracle> No, you're
thinking of the priests. Us oracles are literally just gaseous
fissures in the ground, trees swaying in the wind or flocks of
birds.
L365[16:51:14] <Jovian_Oracle> Alright,
since yesterday, I've been getting a UnityPlayer.dll CTD upon
startup of KSP and several other Unity using games, and I can't
figure out why. I've literally not changed any hardware since the
last time KSP ran, which was yesterday.
L366[16:51:35] <Jovian_Oracle>
Reinstalling to different drives does not work, playing offline
does not work, driver updates do not work.
L367[16:52:26] <Jovian_Oracle> Literally
the only clue to my issue in the logs is a UnityPlayer.dll access
violation, and I've made sure the firewall gives the affected
programs an eception.
L368[16:53:45] <Jovian_Oracle> This issue
is affecting several others, but not all, of my Unity games.
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L371[17:01:42] <Mat2ch> sounds like your
windows did an update in the background somewhere and broke
something
L372[17:02:06] <Mat2ch> others should have
the same issue, have you tried looking around on reddit?
L373[17:02:35] <Jovian_Oracle> I have,
though most of the responses are quite old and relate to problems I
don't have like Virtual Desktops
L374[17:03:02] <Jovian_Oracle> I'm going
to try and see if the copy downloaded from the KSP store, rather
than launched from Steam, has the same issue.
L375[17:03:13] <Jovian_Oracle> It's weird,
too, it's only affecting some Unity games and not all of
them.
L376[17:05:09] <Mat2ch> Could have
something to do with the Unity version
L377[17:05:53] <Jovian_Oracle> That's what
I thought at first, too, but both older and newer Unity games are
running.
L378[17:06:24] <Jovian_Oracle> Unless Two
Point Hospital and Battletech are on the older 32 bit
versions.
L379[17:07:50] <Mat2ch> do you use
Citrix?
L380[17:08:03] <Jovian_Oracle> No I do
not, though that was a common issue I found in my research.
L381[17:08:16] <Jovian_Oracle> Also can't
direct download from the KSP store anymore, it seems.
L382[17:09:16] <Mat2ch> Hrm, that should
still work, but I've got mine from steam only, so I never had a
store account
L383[17:09:36] <Mat2ch> But if a check of
the files by steam doesn't help, it is probably something
different
L384[17:09:50] <Mat2ch> maybe a graphics
driver update that went unnoticed in the background
L385[17:09:53] <Mat2ch> or similar
things.
L386[17:10:06] <Mat2ch> .oO( Oh, how I
love Linux for being so much easier in those cases )
L387[17:11:27] <Jovian_Oracle> I actually
bought KSP when it was very first released for sale, and I've
gotten all the DLC for free since.
L388[17:12:03] <Althego> nice
L389[17:12:20] <Jovian_Oracle> The GPU did
not update before, and I updated it manually since. It's just
really weird, because I ran it just an hour before it stopped
running.
L390[17:18:12] <Mostly_Deddly> If you
transferred your KSP account to Steam, you won't be able to
download from the store anymore. However, you can still copy the
KSP folder to anywhere on your hard drive and run it independently
from Steam
L391[17:18:33] <Jovian_Oracle> That was
one of the earlier things I tried. Didn't work.
L392[17:18:50] <Jovian_Oracle> From what
I'm gathering, it's a terribly obscure issue with Unity that's
never been fully resolved.
L393[17:18:58] <Mostly_Deddly> Have you
used the Steam "verify files" tool?
L394[17:19:29] <packbart> ah, I'v seen the
thread on the forum. didn't have an answer, though :/ maybe some
antivirus software gone haywire?
L395[17:20:40] <Jovian_Oracle> Yep,
verified all the files, reinstalled several times now. It has an
exception through my antivirus software (UnityPlayer.dll, KSP's exe
and the entire folder).
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L398[17:33:02] <Jovian_Oracle> Honestly,
KSP's the only non-working Unity game I'm chocked up about with the
crashing. Hardspace crashed enough on its own already.
L399[17:36:25] <Jovian_Oracle> I suppose I
can just go ahead and get the last of the Surviving Mars DLC and
pretend it's Duna.
L400[17:36:37] <Althego> last?
L401[17:36:41] <Althego> was there
something new?
L402[17:37:38] <Mostly_Deddly>
Jovian_Oracle, have you tried temporarily disabling your antivirus
software?
L403[17:37:52] <Althego> i think the only
one i dont have is the stellaris dome set because i just dont care
about that
L404[17:38:24] <Jovian_Oracle> I hadn't
gotten any of the DLC, really.
L405[17:38:36] <Jovian_Oracle> Also, I
suppose I should try opening up the gates and letting the Techno
Barbarians in.
L406[17:39:14] <Jovian_Oracle> Doesn't
work.
L407[17:39:34] <Althego> hehe
L408[17:39:56] <Althego> i think i have to
write that support request to eve two. i cant get the launcher, or
now even the installer to start up
L409[17:40:11] <Althego> two=too
L410[17:40:32] <Jovian_Oracle> I was about
to say, I didn't know Spreadsheet Simulator had a sequel yet.
L411[17:41:48] <Althego> it is similar to
your case, one day it just stopped
L413[17:42:01] <Jovian_Oracle> Yes, yes I
have.
L414[17:42:27] <Jovian_Oracle> Literally
the only thing that I've done in recent days was get a new 185hz
monitor, but KSP ran on that just fine twice.
L415[17:44:03] <Althego> 185hz? because
144 is not enough?
L416[17:44:12] <Althego> you must have
insect eyes
L417[17:44:29] <Jovian_Oracle>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L418[17:44:56] <Jovian_Oracle> And in case
you're wondering, reducing the refresh rate does nothing.
L419[17:45:03] <Jovian_Oracle> And turning
off active sync does nothing.
L420[17:45:20] <Mostly_Deddly> Update GPU
drivers?
L421[17:45:27] <Jovian_Oracle> Already did
that yesterday.
L422[17:45:52] <Mostly_Deddly> I assume
you're launching KSP from the .exe not the launcher?
L423[17:45:53] <Jovian_Oracle> Unity is
like the Death Star. There's one little fault that only a farm boy
from the butt-end of the galaxy could find.
L424[17:46:05] <Jovian_Oracle> I've tried
launching it from Steam, from the launcher and from the .exe.
L425[17:46:43] <Mostly_Deddly>
Hrrrm.
L426[17:46:44] <Jovian_Oracle> Now if it
was all the Unity games with this problem, that'd probably make
these easier, but it's only three.
L427[17:46:52] <Mostly_Deddly> Rollback
Windows update?
L428[17:46:54] <Jovian_Oracle> And I think
they're all on Unity 5.
L429[17:47:14] <Jovian_Oracle> Windows
hadn't updated for days before the problem, updating it manually
did not fix.
L430[17:48:13] <Mostly_Deddly> I'm sorry,
that's as far as I can go without Googling for you, which I guess
you have already done
L431[17:48:31] <Mostly_Deddly> Have you
checked to see if it's on the bug tracker?
L432[17:49:10] <Jovian_Oracle> The closest
I get is an unresolved issue deep within Unity from last year, but
that was also linked with the remote desktop issues.
L433[17:49:19] <Jovian_Oracle> In better
news, Surviving Duna is working.
L434[17:49:48] <Mostly_Deddly> Stock KSP,
right?
L435[17:50:02] <Jovian_Oracle> I deleted
all mods, it's in a fresh folder.
L436[17:50:25] <Mostly_Deddly> Did the
crash dump provide any useful information?
L437[17:50:59] <Jovian_Oracle> No, only a
reference to an access violation from unitplayer.dll
L438[17:51:42] <Jovian_Oracle> The one
thing I've not tested for sure is low or bad memory, but with 32 GB
of RAM, I think I'm okay.
L439[17:52:44] <Jovian_Oracle> And it's on
fresh sticks not even six months old.
L440[17:54:07] <Mat2ch> isn't there a
pretty verbose log for KSP?
L441[17:55:29] <Jovian_Oracle> Yes, but
it's not really telling me anything important other than the
UnityPlayer.DLL access violation.
L443[17:58:02] <Jovian_Oracle> I've
literally searched through every single thread in the forums with a
reference to UnityPlayer.dll and access violations.
L444[17:58:12] <Mostly_Deddly> Ah
L445[17:58:35] <Mostly_Deddly> Could I
recommend starting your own one, and including a link to the crash
dump file?
L446[17:59:44] <Jovian_Oracle> I'll have
to register and everything.
L447[18:00:20] <Mostly_Deddly> If you do,
I can approve your post right away
L448[18:00:36] <Mostly_Deddly> It doesn't
take long to sign up
L449[18:03:32] <Jovian_Oracle>
Alright
L450[18:05:32] <darsie> Allahu Akbar, this
was such a tight mission. I had to optimize the return flight
extremely well to make it back. 2000 units Mun ore return.
L451[18:05:58] <Mostly_Deddly> Mun ore is
not doing
L452[18:06:07] <Althego> allah is doing
:)
L453[18:06:15] <darsie> :)
L454[18:06:29] <Mostly_Deddly> I miss that
spambot
L455[18:06:50] <Mostly_Deddly> (But not
enough to actually want it back)
L456[18:07:31] <raptop> Althego:
aaaaaa
L457[18:07:52] <Althego> deddly started it
:)
L458[18:08:17] <Mostly_Deddly> I deny
everything
L459[18:08:42] <darsie> First I tilted
east right after take off and flew shallow. 260 km Pe at Kerbin.
Then I flew shallower. And even shallower. Then I hit a hill. Then
I retracted my landing legs and tilted before take off. Then I
dumped some ore and restarted the drill to fill the tanks to
exactly 2000 units. Then I made it to 47 km Pe at Kerbin.
L460[18:10:13] <Mostly_Deddly> Started
tilting before takeoff? That's some serious optimisation there
:)
L461[18:10:16] <darsie> Used aerodynamic
lift of the rocket to make it to the meadow around the KSC. Was
already somewhat tilted near the beach.
L462[18:10:26] <darsie> Yeah :)
L463[18:11:18] <Mostly_Deddly> Well
done
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L465[18:11:33] <darsie> I mean, I could
have brought my refinery truck to Mun orbit and refuel the ore
transporter ... but I wasn't finished optimizing, yet :).
L466[18:12:42] <darsie> Ahh, not to
forget. I went to lower Mun orbits, too, to maximize Oberth. 5.7 km
or so.
L467[18:12:43] <Mostly_Deddly>
Jovian_Oracle, just ping me here when you have done your post and
I'll go ahead and approve it for you
L468[18:12:57] <Jovian_Oracle> What .txt
will I need to upload?
L469[18:14:22] <Mostly_Deddly> Should be
ksp.log and output_log.txt. Upload them somewhere like pastebin or
a file server and link to them
L470[18:14:26] <darsie> I had 2 Terriers
on my back.
L471[18:16:03] *
Mostly_Deddly is imagining two little dogs chewing on darsie's
back
L472[18:16:08] <darsie> :)
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L478[18:17:34] <Jovian_Oracle> Not
error.log or player.log?
L479[18:18:22] <Mostly_Deddly> Uhm
actually I'm not sure. Why not just upload the lot :)
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L481[18:25:56] <Althego> less than a week
for electron return to sender. this can be really good
L482[18:26:39] <Mostly_Deddly> What's the
mission?
L483[18:26:54] <Mostly_Deddly> I haven't
been keeping up with Electron
L484[18:26:58] <Althego> doesnt matter,
they try to land the rocket in the ocean
L485[18:27:24] <Althego> jence the name
return to sender
L486[18:27:27] <Jovian_Oracle> Almost done
with the post.
L487[18:27:33] <Mostly_Deddly> I thought
they were going to try and catch it with a helicopter
L488[18:27:50] <Althego> that is the goal.
but this is a test if it survives well enough
L489[18:29:20] <Mostly_Deddly> So are they
parachuting it down?
L490[18:29:24] <Althego> yes
L491[18:30:45] <Mostly_Deddly> Nice
L493[18:31:34] <Jovian_Oracle> Hehehe,
parachute go brrrr
L494[18:31:44] <Althego> no, dont say
that
L495[18:32:00] <Althego> huh, no reaction.
we are lucky :9
L496[18:35:10] <Jovian_Oracle> Huh, the
KSP and UnityPlayer.dll are listed in the DXDiag text.
L497[18:36:38] <Mat2ch> yes, that was one
post I found saying, too. It might have something to do with
directx
L498[18:36:49] <Mat2ch> you could try and
start it with opengl and see if that works
L499[18:37:17] <Mat2ch> Althego: Road
Closed!
L500[18:37:40] <Althego> hah!
L501[18:38:13] <Althego> but if they
started it this late i will have to watch it on replay
L502[18:38:23] <Jovian_Oracle> I tried
that, too.
L504[18:39:20] <Mostly_Deddly> Are you
still writing the post, Jovian_Oracle? I haven't seen it in the
approval queue yet. There's no rush, I just thought maybe I missed
it
L505[18:40:03] <Jovian_Oracle> Almost
done.
L506[18:40:11] <Jovian_Oracle> Just
proofchecking.
L507[18:40:33] <Mostly_Deddly> No problem,
I'm in no rush :)
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L509[18:41:33] <Althego> sugar rush, sugar
rush :)
L510[18:41:41] <Mostly_Deddly>
Jovian_Oracle, Don't forget to include system specs
L511[18:41:47] <Jovian_Oracle> There.
They're included in the DXDiag.
L512[18:41:57] <Mostly_Deddly>
Alrighty
L513[18:42:30] <Mostly_Deddly> Approved,
thanks
L514[18:42:44] <Jovian_Oracle> Thank
you.
L515[18:43:47] <Mostly_Deddly> I'm hoping
some guys from QA will take a look
L516[18:44:05] <Jovian_Oracle> It'd be
realllllllly stupid if it was the monitor somehow.
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L518[18:45:02] <Mostly_Deddly> LOL
"Pastebin’s SMART filters have detected potentially offensive
or questionable content ahead. "
L519[18:46:11] <Mostly_Deddly> Pastebin
finds your crash offensive, Jovian_Oracle
L520[18:46:33] <Althego> hehe
L521[18:46:36] <Jovian_Oracle> Probably
some hexadecimal string translates into an offensive string.
L522[18:46:51] <Althego> in some
encoding
L523[18:47:47] <Jovian_Oracle> While it's
not the end of the world if KSP no longer works, I was starting a
new game with mostly stock parts and doing pretty well.
L524[18:51:08] <raptop> . o O (crash logs
that always include the EICAR test string)
L525[18:52:11] <Mostly_Deddly> I don't
suppose you have another monitor somewhere do you,
Jovian_Oracle?
L526[18:52:25] <Mostly_Deddly> It sounds
crazy but if that's the only think that's changed...
L527[18:52:30] <Mostly_Deddly>
thing*
L528[18:52:35] <Jovian_Oracle> I'm
hesitant to go back, but I just might
L529[18:52:57] <Jovian_Oracle> I'll try it
once.
L530[18:58:00] <Mat2ch> 0x00007FF7984911F2
(KSP_x64) (function-name not available)
L531[18:58:12] <Mat2ch> Something is
asking for a function (of a library) that is not available.
Nice!
L532[18:58:15] <Althego> at least it is
not value optmized out :)
L533[18:58:46] <Mostly_Deddly>
Jovian_Oracle, I just got this from Maxismal, lead developer: I'd
suggest to him that he also contacts Unity about this issue, since
he's having it in multiple games and therefore likely has nothing
to do with KSP, just the flavor/configuration of Unity that KSP is
using.
L534[19:02:16] <Jovian_Oracle>
Arrrrrrgh
L535[19:02:19] <Mat2ch> uh, the only
reason why KSP could be delayed that long is that they are doing an
engine swap...
L536[19:02:25] <Mat2ch> Unity isn't made
for things like KSP...
L537[19:02:28] <Althego> i guess it was
the monitorr
L538[19:02:50] <Althego> you mean
ksp2
L539[19:03:09] <Althego> probably no
engine was made for this, they are more usable for an fps
L540[19:03:20] <Althego> also they already
rewrote the game one
L541[19:03:35] <Althego> and i was
wondering if they did that, why they kept unity
L542[19:04:19] <Jovian_Oracle> I'm
restting to run on older monitor
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L544[19:04:48] <Mostly_Deddly> There are
plenty of reasons they would want to delay. Could be that they have
plans for KSP 1 that will extend that far, or that there are some
features that they feel would be more valuable to add than to
release on time
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L546[19:08:39] <Jovian_Oracle> Alright,
that did not work.
L547[19:09:14] <Mostly_Deddly> Well that's
sort of a relief, I guess.
L548[19:09:53] <Mostly_Deddly> I'm
wondering if perhaps the drivers updated when you installed the
monitor and it's the new drivers that are the problem? Downgrade
the drivers?
L549[19:09:54] <Jovian_Oracle> I would've
felt really silly returning this, especially since I've just found
out HDR gaming monitors are a thing, too.
L550[19:10:05] <Jovian_Oracle> Didn't
update any drivers when I installed the monitor.
L551[19:10:57] <Mat2ch> windows does some
magic these days...
L552[19:11:23] <Jovian_Oracle> I blame
Unity for being Unity
L553[19:11:28] <Mostly_Deddly> Yeah it
does do stuff automatically...
L555[19:11:54] <Mostly_Deddly> I do also
think it might be an idea to try a system restore from an earlier
date than your monitor install
L556[19:11:58] <Althego> for like 3 years
i had to remove it after every update. then i just sort of gave
up
L557[19:11:59] <Jovian_Oracle> I just
don't understand why it also played KSP a couple of times before
starting to spaz out.
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L560[19:12:34] <Mat2ch> Jovian_Oracle: in
your report you said something about turning of vsync. When was
that?
L561[19:12:48] <Jovian_Oracle> Before I
played KSP the first time.
L562[19:12:55] <Jovian_Oracle> It ran
beautifully, too.
L563[19:13:55] <Mat2ch> So that's not the
issue, too.
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L565[19:16:26] <Jovian_Oracle> I just
checked my driver install history, and nothing was installed
between the time of KSP running and its first crash.
L566[19:20:22] <Jovian_Oracle> It's
official. Unity just doesn't like me.
L567[19:20:46] <Jovian_Oracle> That's
alright. I can play Surviving Duna and Kerbal Dangerous
L568[19:22:00] <Jovian_Oracle> I reckon
KSP2 might come out when Star Citizen does.
L569[19:22:27] <Althego> hehe
L570[19:22:34] <Jovian_Oracle> Which
reminds me, I could probably play the beta with my new-ish rig
now.
L571[19:22:40] <Jovian_Oracle> Excuse me,
alpha.
L572[19:22:44] <Althego> i treay star
citizen as a scam
L573[19:22:48] <Althego> treat
L574[19:23:06] <Althego> how many years
has it been?
L575[19:23:16] <Jovian_Oracle>
UNDEFINED
L576[19:23:45] <Jovian_Oracle> I consider
it less of a scam and more of the Heaven's Gate of games.
L577[19:23:54] <Jovian_Oracle> Too
perfectionist and too wide in scope for its own good.
L578[19:23:55] <Althego> the pad is still
not clear yet
L579[19:24:14] <Althego> it still may fly
this week
L580[19:24:24] <Jovian_Oracle> I mean, if
they had gone the route of Elite Dangerous it would've worked, but
putting all those features in at the same time is just nuts.
L581[19:26:43] <Jovian_Oracle> Roberts had
the same issue back when he helmed Freelancer.
L582[19:27:54] *
packbart updates NVidia drivers for no apparent reason
L583[19:30:06] <Jovian_Oracle> Well I will
periodically check my forum post in the forlorn hope there is a
fix.
L584[19:30:36] <packbart> yeah, good luck
:/
L585[19:31:36] <Jovian_Oracle> Such is the
price of the maximum framerate experience.
L586[19:31:51] <packbart> updated drivers,
KSP still starts. I only have a 75h display, though
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L588[19:32:02] <packbart> 75Hz
L589[19:32:16] <Jovian_Oracle> I was nice
playing KSP with a modern GPU and chipset while it lasted.
L590[19:32:22] <Jovian_Oracle> Sob
L591[19:35:14] <Jovian_Oracle> I just
guess I'll have to wait for KSP2 to finish.
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L593[19:35:30] <packbart> on a hunch, I'd
remove the antivirus software (I only use the Microsoft thingy,
tbh), even if KSP is whitelisted
L594[19:36:22] <packbart> some mentions of
Citrix software being incompatible. but that seems to be all over
the place
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L598[19:41:33] <Althego> there is that
picture where a guy is explaining some math to the other: here a
miracle happens
L599[19:41:39] <Althego> somehow the eve
installer started
L600[19:41:56] <Althego> i think the
launcher is going to fail anyway, but at least this is a step
L601[19:42:07] <Althego> i had that
installer sitting there in the download for more than a week
L602[19:42:14] <Althego> and in didnt do
anything for days
L603[19:43:11] <Althego> all this after i
defeated my lazyness and wrote a ticket. but i though i may as well
check it one last time
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L609[19:53:13] <Althego> és van
launcher
L610[19:53:24] <Althego> or i mean there
is a launcher window now
L611[19:53:26] <Althego> fantastic
L612[19:53:34] <Althego> this is truly
mysterious
L613[19:54:56] <raptop> launcher bad
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L615[19:59:41] <Althego> hehe, tomorrow is
extended downtime. let me guess the whole mess happens again
:)
L616[20:12:20] <Althego> with this speed i
can go to sleep and after i wake up, there will be still no static
fire
L617[20:31:13] <Mat2ch> The grass is
venting!
L618[20:31:30] <Althego> it is venting o2,
as usual
L619[20:32:39] <Althego> oh you dont mean
the actual grass
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L632[20:53:10] <Mat2ch> yeah, but the pad
doesn't seem to be clear yet
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L640[21:02:35] <Mat2ch> Uhhh, pad is
clear!
L641[21:02:41] <Mat2ch> Now we're waiting
for the tanking
L642[21:03:11] <Mat2ch> We could see a
flight this week, if all goes well
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L654[21:36:47] <darsie> althego
L655[21:36:47] <darsie> [10:24:12]
<mrdata-> is that the moon?
L656[21:36:47] <darsie> [10:24:25]
<mrdata-> the moon's colour, i am told, is kinda red
L657[21:36:47] <darsie> [10:24:51]
<mrdata-> idk tho; looks pale blue-grey to me
L658[21:36:47] <darsie> [10:25:19]
<mrdata-> but the colour temperature is much redder than the
sun
L659[21:36:47] <darsie> [10:25:22]
<mrdata-> apparently
L660[21:37:30] <raptop> blink
L661[21:37:50] <darsie> .
L662[21:39:17] <raptop> Something
something reflected light something very much not a blackbody
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