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L43[08:32:11] <Mat2ch> well, well, well,
SN8 is free standing now. And there are street closures planned for
tomorrow, Thursday and Friday
L44[08:32:25] <Mat2ch> Another static fire?
A flight? We will see :D
L45[08:32:37] <Mat2ch> (probably another
static fire to get one without a loud umpf)
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L49[10:18:17] <Judge_Dedd> The previous
Starship flight was immediately preceded by a loud umpf
L50[10:18:42] <Judge_Dedd> I think they'll
go for flight.
L51[10:18:52] <Judge_Dedd> Assuming they
have permits in place
L52[10:19:19] <flayer> i wanna see the
whole thing go into orbit
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L54[10:31:39] <Althego> i remember elon
mentioned static fires
L55[10:31:54] <Althego> so probably at
least two days for these tests
L56[10:32:11] <Althego> and also some
additional tests, which may be electrical or flaps only
L57[10:32:25] <Althego> so i doubt it will
fly this week
L58[10:32:42] <Althego> unless they want a
short hop
L59[10:33:11] <JVFoxy> this thing going
straight up and down, or some attempt for it to make use of the
'flaps'?
L60[10:33:32] <Althego> i think that is the
point
L61[10:35:17] <JVFoxy> testing it here vs
flying it there at Mars... pressure is a whole other world..
literally
L62[10:36:08] <Althego> what is really
interesting, that during reentry the co2 atmosphere of mars behaves
completely differently than that of earth
L63[10:36:15] <Althego> different molecules
form
L64[10:36:41] <Althego> nobody tried to use
a heat shield that is supposed to work on earth and on mars
too
L65[10:37:40] <Althego> probably not only
the fastening method but the material is in flux too
L66[10:39:25] <JVFoxy> there was that 'ufo'
inflatable shield NASA did a while back. launched it up. It did an
orbit around. Booster sent it into high elliptical so it could come
down fast, high over the lower pressure atmosphere.
L67[10:39:59] <Althego> the high altitude
supersonic decelarator
L68[10:40:02] <Althego> or what was its
name
L69[10:40:05] <JVFoxy> the shield worked..
the ballut not so much. though, I think that might have been a
chute test on some other thing
L70[10:40:16] <Althego> intersting idea but
starship will have only its flaps and fixed heat shield
L71[10:40:40] <Althego> the ballute worked,
the parachute was shredded by the forces
L72[10:40:57] <JVFoxy> I recall someone
saying half the stuff we send to land on Mars actually survives it
to landing
L73[10:41:05] <Althego> yes
L74[10:41:09] <Althego> but only in recent
times
L75[10:41:23] <Althego> it used to be much
worse
L76[10:42:02] <JVFoxy> ah ok.. I remember
something failed on the chute one. The supersonic decelerator thing
made me think dropship or something I'd like to try in KSP
L77[10:42:17] <Althego> there was that
beagle 2 thing,the solar panels didnt fold out ocmpletely blocking
the antenna
L79[10:42:51] <Althego> ok it was not high
altitude but low density
L80[10:43:13] <JVFoxy> heh.. it got the
point across
L81[10:43:33] <JVFoxy> beagle.. that the
one suppose to have landed around the polar region?
L82[10:44:25] <Althego> also the
schiaparelly lander crashed
L83[10:44:34] <Althego> and these two are
just the relatively recent things
L84[10:45:00] <JVFoxy> how everyone thought
the sky-crane idea was too radical, it wouldn't work.
L85[10:45:13] <Althego> if the chinese
manage to land there on the first try, that would be a huge
achievement. but i doubt it, it is notoriously hard
L86[10:46:18] <JVFoxy> orbiting though..
keeping things in stable orbit fairly easy though?
L87[10:46:20] <Althego> i always thought it
was the easiest to control
L88[10:46:28] <Althego> you dont have to
balance an inverted pendulum
L89[10:46:37] <Althego> on the other hand
it is somewhat complicated
L90[10:46:50] <Althego> lot of mars
orbiters faield too
L91[10:47:19] <JVFoxy> airbag drop landing
was interesting... pathfinder I think it was? Landed same day as
the movie Independence Day?
L92[10:47:39] <JVFoxy> people saying, we
were the invaders
L93[10:48:05] <Althego> the pathfinder and
the two MERs were with airbags
L94[10:48:11] <Althego> but that works only
in small scale
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L96[10:51:56] <JVFoxy> ya.. didn't the one
MER finally die? it was left on an incline in hopes it would wake
up after a dust storm?
L97[10:52:10] <Althego> both are dead
now
L98[10:52:57] <Althego> the first one was
stuck in a trap and could get to an inclined slope to survive the
winter, the second one died in the global dust storm
L99[10:53:35] <Althego> i though it had a
decent change of survival, it was in the summer, the dust storm
blocks the sun, but also doesnt let heat escape, so it is
relatively warm
L100[10:54:01] <Althego> but it was
running for something like 15 years
L101[10:54:41] <JVFoxy> remember a few
details, now I think about it. Nearly forgot about them. I remember
the Pathfinder one was only meant to last what.. a few days or
something? It went for so long instead
L102[10:55:06] <Althego> the pathfinder
was the technology demonstrator with the rc car sized sojourner
rover
L103[10:55:17] <Althego> ok, a bit bigger
than a shoebox
L104[10:55:35] <Althego> it was never
expected to last too long
L105[10:55:42] <Althego> the champions are
the two MERS
L106[10:55:50] <Althego> hehe, wait, no,
MERS is a virus
L107[10:56:01] <Althego> so MERs
L108[10:56:24] <Althego> 90 day expected
lifetime because of dust accumulation on solar panels. they never
expected to have dust cleaning wind
L109[10:58:23] <JVFoxy> path was also one
of the projects they did, off the shelf parts, to see if something
low cost would still work
L110[11:25:14] <Judge_Dedd> Pathfinder was
sent there to help Mark Watney communicate with NASA
L111[11:27:27] <JVFoxy> wondered if they'd
make such things historical sites in the future.. like with what
they wanna do with the lander sections on the moon.
L112[11:28:22] <JVFoxy> they were talk'n
about the one X-Prize.. land a rover on the moon. Get it close
enough to an apollo lander base to take pictures. Wanted to
preserve the site as something historic
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L114[11:36:48] <Judge_Dedd> They surely
will be special sites if we ever establish a colony there
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L117[11:59:32] <JVFoxy> moon: am I joke to
you?
L118[12:00:29] <Althego> welcome to lunar
industries
L119[12:01:53] <JVFoxy> we go there
because its difficult. then we go there because its different and
science. Then it turns to: we go there because of survival, we
messed up Earth too much
L121[12:02:44] <JVFoxy> oh ya... Moon
movie
L122[12:04:21] <JVFoxy> speaking of movies
on the moon... Murder by Moonlight (1989)
L123[12:05:06] <Althego> 4.7 out of
10?
L124[12:05:13] <Althego> the premise seems
to be interesting
L125[12:05:39] <JVFoxy> given the year it
came out.. I remember seeing it on TV as a kid.
L126[12:06:14] <JVFoxy> I knew some
concepts.. in space, you get sucked out, which is very bad..
L127[12:07:11] <JVFoxy> no thanks in part
to a certain disney live action movie filmed where I live,
involving a spaceship with kids on it and some airlock (kids were
fine)
L128[12:10:37] <JVFoxy> Althego where'd
you get the rating from?
L129[12:10:52] <Althego> imdb
L130[12:13:56] <JVFoxy> oh.. see where I
was.. I scrolled past the google video box thing and hit 'cast and
crew'
L131[12:14:22] <JVFoxy> .. fullcredits
thing.. or whatever. I was sitting there wondering, wheres the rest
of the info
L132[12:17:56] <JVFoxy> heh.. quote from
one of the reviews: They didn't ignore the air situation or the
gravity. And they DIDN'T have people exploding in decompression
like they did in Outland.
L133[12:18:19] <JVFoxy> or exploding like
that one episode of Red Dwarf
L134[12:20:13] <Judge_Dedd> I don't think
we can hold Red Dwarf to account for lacking realism, since the guy
who exploded was actually a projection of one person's confidence
from a virus, remember.
L135[12:20:25] <JVFoxy> oh right..
L136[12:21:32] <packbart> Red Dwarf was
oddly funny
L137[12:22:00] <Judge_Dedd> And maybe they
were in a pocked of unreality :)
L138[12:22:06] <Judge_Dedd> pocket*
L139[12:22:32] <JVFoxy> ... head just went
to that whole giant disk they used to backup Holly.
L140[12:22:50] <JVFoxy> 8-Big guy had a
thing on it in his 'large format media' video near the end.
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L150[14:46:30] <Althego> lol. gamers
nexus, steve reviews the amd mountain bike (negatively)
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L157[15:22:26] <kubi> why?
L158[15:22:46] <Althego> because it is
painful
L159[15:23:38] <packbart> I think it
refers to a loud english cook
L160[15:24:02] <Althego> gordon
ramsay
L161[15:24:28] <packbart> I only know him
by proxy via memes'n stuff
L162[15:24:58] <Althego> i dont watch tv
but even i know him. ok, mostly memes
L163[15:29:24] <Judge_Dedd> Approved
cheesy joke
L164[15:30:28] <Judge_Dedd> A good cheesy
joke should cause physical pain.
L165[15:30:48] <Judge_Dedd> If it causes
internal bleeding, you're really up there with the best.
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L167[15:33:53] <packbart> so that's an
"english joke", then?
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L169[15:45:41] <Judge_Dedd> That's just a
cheesy joke.
L170[15:46:20] <Judge_Dedd> English humour
isn't only that. It's difficult to explain :)
L172[15:47:59] <Judge_Dedd> "A strong
theme of sarcasm and self-deprecation, often with deadpan
delivery"
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L174[15:50:54] <packbart> i meant
"english" as in "bleeding inside". it was a bad
joke, I guess :)
L175[15:51:32] <packbart> it seems to be a
German interpretation, too.
L176[15:52:03] <packbart> "Seared,
Blue rare or very rare (French: bleu)— Cooked very quickly; the
outside is seared, but the inside is usually cool and barely
cooked.[citation needed] The steak will be red on the inside and
barely warmed. In the United States, this is also sometimes
referred to as 'Black and Blue' or 'Pittsburgh Rare'. In Germany
this is also known as "English Style or bloody"."
(
L178[15:52:19] <packbart> I didn't even
know that "Doneness" is a word. the more you know
L179[15:53:20] <Althego> i learned about
the word cabotage, thanks to flat earthers :)
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L181[15:56:32] <packbart> "Well done
(French: bien cuit) – (73 °C (163 °F) and above core temperature)
The meat is grey-brown in the center and slightly charred. In parts
of England this is known as "German style"."
L182[15:56:44] <packbart> I find these
attributions a bit weird :)
L183[15:56:51] <Althego> hehe
L184[15:57:17] <packbart> (even though I
do prefer my steaks well done)
L185[15:58:25] <Althego> the funniest pun
today was this
L186[15:58:26] <Althego> * Guy- has quit
("malenky reboot")
L188[15:59:10] <Althego> luckily this is
not politics, but history
L189[15:59:45] <Althego> the phenomenon
has been referred to as málenkij robot, a corrupted form of the
Russian malenkaya rabota (маленькая работа), meaning "little
work"
L190[16:02:55] <packbart> I am the man who
arranges the blocks that keep falling down from up a-bove
L191[16:03:05] <Althego> hehe
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L211[16:59:35] <Althego> hmm, so they went
back to daytime road closures?
L212[16:59:47] <Althego> does this mean no
static fire?
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L219[18:36:29] <Mat2ch> Althego: static
fires have to be at night? :D
L220[18:36:40] <Althego> lately they
were
L221[18:46:19] <Mat2ch> apparently some
stores here are running out of toiletpaper again. And one retailer
for cosmetic products has an API for their toiletpaper
amounts...
L222[18:46:34] <Althego> hehe
L223[18:46:39] <Althego> here we go
again
L224[18:47:20] <Althego> actually a few
weeks ago i bought a lot accidentally, so there is still quite an
amount remanining
L225[18:47:24] <Mat2ch> they are prepared
;)
L226[18:47:53] <Mat2ch> I always buy a 16
pack. It's cheaper in the long run. And I use it up anyways. And it
saves on plastic packaging
L227[18:48:41] <Althego> i wanted to buy
that, but it was 3 rows high
L228[18:49:07] <Althego> last time there
was this video, where the forklift guy was going around in a huge
warehouse full off toilet paper, laughing at people and the toilet
paper rush
L230[19:11:16] <Mat2ch> I remember that
vividly :D
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L237[21:22:34] <monttyle> How can I
control the throttle with a KAL-1000?
L238[21:23:20] <raptop> ...good
question
L239[21:26:09] <monttyle> is it
impossible?
L240[21:36:13] <packbart> adding it via
action groups should give you a curve to play with
L241[21:37:19] <packbart> I've heard that
it even allows creative uses (negative throttle produces fuel or
set it >100% for turboboost)
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L244[21:41:33] <monttyle> OK, but whenever
I select throttle, it just goes away
L245[21:45:21] <monttyle> I can't select
the controller and any of the axis groups at the same time
L246[22:05:55] <packbart> hm. loading
:)
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L250[22:15:19] <packbart> monttyle: at the
end of the Action Group list are the KAL controllers. I can add an
engine's throttle to it
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L253[22:15:39] <monttyle> An engine's
throttle, sure, not THE throttle
L254[22:17:02] <packbart> ah, right. hm.
that direction might not be possible
L255[22:17:20] <packbart> you could chain
a KAL's play position to the main throttle but not control the main
throttle with a KAL
L256[22:17:31] <monttyle> Ah. Wondered if
I was losing my mind. Nobody would tell me no
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