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L14[02:21:13] <JVFoxy> oooh, just saw the
ISS buzzing over head just a few moments ago
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L17[02:26:27] <packbart> Heavens Above says
I should get 4 ISS passes tonight, between -3.8 and -2.5
L18[02:26:55] <packbart> most of them too
far in the south, though
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L21[02:35:22] <JVFoxy> I've quite a few
here as well, mostly to the north of me
L22[02:35:59] <JVFoxy> I use WXTrack for
satellite stuff, also does doppler radio
L23[02:37:07] <JVFoxy> I went out to check
to see if the comet was up in the sky. Think I'm too early
L24[02:39:17] <JVFoxy> oh well.. guess I
should try sleep for now.
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L26[02:42:47] <packbart> I use the HA app
for the occasional "what's that light in the sky?"
moment. Venus can be very bright
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L99[03:23:24] <Althego> Mat2ch: i cant
watch it now
L100[03:23:34] <Althego> but at least the
mars launch was moved from today
L101[03:27:03] <Mat2ch> Althego: shall I
remind you later?
L102[03:27:10] <Mat2ch> It's aweful.
;)
L104[04:09:32] <Mat2ch> Where's the
bot
L105[04:09:35] <Mat2ch> ts
L106[04:09:38] <Mat2ch> tststs
L107[04:09:55] <Mat2ch> Astra is trying
another launch on 20th July
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L109[04:12:34] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur:
Ola!
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L112[05:54:07] <Fluburtur> hello
L113[05:54:07] <Mod9000> Hello,
Fluburtur
L114[06:06:30] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: how's
your production going?
L115[06:07:09] <Althego> what, there is a
production of fluburturs?
L116[06:11:05] <packbart> Fluburtur - The
Musical
L117[06:11:39] <Mat2ch> Nah, Fluburtur is
creating props.
L118[06:11:45] <Mat2ch> and he seems to
have some customers
L119[06:11:49] <Mat2ch> hopefully happy
ones
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L127[07:32:43] <Althego> Mat2ch: hard
drive back up... argh
L128[07:36:22] <Mat2ch> Althego: :D
L129[07:36:29] <Mat2ch> How to back up
your hard drive!
L130[07:40:06] <packbart> clog the data
drain, download more cat videos
L132[07:42:15] <packbart> :)
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L141[08:43:43] <Althego> hehe
L143[08:54:34] <Althego> there are a bunch
of twets about an interview with roscosmos' head
L144[08:54:42] <Althego> if you scroll
up
L145[08:55:07] <UmbralRaptop> hm
L146[08:57:36] <Althego> but when is the
static fire
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L150[09:00:15] <Mat2ch> the Russian space
program will run out of money, before they develop a new rocket.
That's why they're looking at China
L151[09:00:35] <Althego> ankara has been
in development for years now, isnt it
L152[09:00:36] <Mat2ch> StarShip will
probably be the nail in the coffin
L153[09:00:46] <Althego> for every
rocket
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L155[09:01:05] <Althego> ok, not
exactly
L156[09:01:16] <Althego> but for
many
L157[09:01:26] <Althego> you cant compete
with starship against electron
L158[09:02:21] <Mat2ch> On a single
starship launch you can launch every satellite that electron will
launch in its lifetime. And many more.
L159[09:02:39] <Mat2ch> Rideshare missions
will become the standard there...
L160[09:03:29] <VanDisaster> it's been a
bit awkward for ariane, that
L161[09:04:06] <VanDisaster> it's all fine
if they want to put them roughly in the same place
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L163[09:07:35] <Althego> the problem is
there are other features for a rocket
L164[09:07:51] <Althego> for example
electron runs more smoothly because of the electric
turbopumps
L165[09:08:00] <Althego> it can take you
satellite anywhere you want it
L166[09:08:09] <Althego> while a starship
is a rideshare
L167[09:08:21] <Althego> and there are
other things to consider
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L169[09:10:10] <Althego> for example
falcon 9 is seriously limited because of the second stage using the
same fuel and engine as the first, for engineering reasons. you
could get way higher delta v from hydrogen and lox
L170[09:10:53] <Althego> and this is true
for starship too, just with methane. on the other hand you can
refuel, but that takes time and resources too
L171[09:12:28] <Althego> well i should
have spent that 300 science on the seizmo thingie. then valentina
could take that too
L172[09:17:32] <Mat2ch> Althego: well,
Starship is so big, you can bring your own push-stage...
L173[09:18:10] <Althego> but traditional
providers are going to be in huge trouble
L174[09:18:52] <Mat2ch> Also Ariane 6 is
just there, because some European country want a backup solution if
they can't use other providers
L175[09:19:02] <Althego> hehe elon decides
to revolutionize cars, then rockets, then internet, what comes next
(boring company doesnt look like revolutionary to me)
L176[09:19:06] <Mat2ch> and everyone at
ESA knows that and they can throw out the money :P
L177[09:19:17] <Mat2ch> The AI
thing!
L178[09:19:34] <Althego> oh taht too
L179[09:19:45] <Althego> neuralink
L180[09:19:55] <Mat2ch> jep
L181[09:20:07] <Mat2ch> there probably
will be a bigger update soon
L182[09:20:23] <VanDisaster> elon hardly
revolutionised cars, no matter what he wants you to think :p
L183[09:20:39] <Althego> soon the infinite
war is upon us
L185[09:21:38] <VanDisaster> BMW are
trying to add microtransactions to car hardware, that is a
revolution I could do without
L186[09:21:48] <Althego> hehe
L187[09:22:02] <Althego> it seems there is
a push back against microtransactins in gaming now
L188[09:22:15] <Althego> so as a typical
car manufacturer they are behind the trends
L189[09:22:37] <Althego> but actually
teslas have this too, you can pay for an upgrade and you get the
software
L190[09:22:56] <Althego> however that
works, probably just a limitation is disabled
L191[09:23:31] <Mat2ch> jup
L192[09:23:44] <Mat2ch> you can pay for
games as well
L193[09:23:54] <Althego> which is
reasonable
L194[09:24:18] <Althego> but this you buy
a car and you didnt really bought it, annoys me
L195[09:25:19] <Mat2ch> jep, but that's
politics
L196[09:28:20] <sandbox_> just wait until
they add surprise mechanics
L197[09:29:05] <Althego> randomized self
destruction?
L198[09:32:05] <Althego> ah i remember
now
L199[09:32:20] <Althego> surprise
mechanics was what loot boxes were called
L200[09:32:35] <Althego> by some ea
representative? or some other big company
L201[09:32:46] <VanDisaster> BMW are going
to rent you heated seats & that sort of thing...
L202[09:33:05] <Althego> you dont need
heated seets in the summer anyway
L203[09:33:06] <VanDisaster> given how
much BMW options cost to buy, I suppose it might even end up
cheaper
L204[09:33:32] <VanDisaster> you sure as
hell can do in the UK :D
L205[09:35:36] <umaxtu> from what I've
seen on Hoovie's garage, no sane person should buy a BMW
L206[09:35:56] <Althego> an no sane person
would buy a mac, yet they are doing it
L207[09:37:16] <VanDisaster> I'd buy a BMW
that a tuner had got at
L208[09:37:25] <packbart> I sometimes
drive car-sharing BMWs. I like them better than the Mercedes A.
Most often I use a smart. Parking spaces are rare around the
office
L209[09:37:32] <VanDisaster> in german law
it means it's not a BMW anymore
L210[09:37:35] <umaxtu> though considering
I really want an Giulia Quadrifoglio maybe I should stop
talking
L211[09:37:44] <packbart> I don't think
I'll buy a car again
L212[09:38:22] <umaxtu> hopefully, my
Jetta will last until I can afford an EV
L213[09:40:27] <VanDisaster> can't not
have a car round my way
L214[09:40:36] <VanDisaster> there's a
very occasional bus
L215[09:41:01] <VanDisaster> EVs don't
really work well here either, unless oyu're just going to the
shops
L216[09:42:27] <VanDisaster> what I don't
understand is why hybrids have been so slow to take off, they just
make so much sense
L217[09:43:09] <Althego> hehe i am not the
only one who sometimes writes oyu :)
L218[09:44:14] <Mat2ch> umaxtu: you only
want a Giulia, when it got fully diassembled and rebuilt as EV.
;)
L219[09:44:30] <umaxtu> well, it would
probably be more reliable that way
L220[09:44:35] <Mat2ch> Hybrids don't make
sense at all.
L221[09:45:04] <umaxtu> eh, a lot of
people can't charge their cars at home
L222[09:45:22] <VanDisaster> of course
they do, all that energy wasted as heat during braking, you get to
use it again
L223[09:45:47] <Mat2ch> You either carry
around a battery pack or you carry around a combustion engine. And
all the extra parts that can fail.
L224[09:46:19] <VanDisaster> or you can
carry half the battery pack you would for a pure EV & a small
combustion engine
L225[09:46:27] <Mat2ch> umaxtu: the
charging argument only counts for Germany, because we are so
sloooooooooow building charging stations
L226[09:46:50] <umaxtu> compared to
Murica?
L227[09:46:52] <Mat2ch> and with the range
of newer EVs the "I can't charge at home" argument
doesn't work either. You don't refuel your car at home
either...
L228[09:47:19] <Mat2ch> In the US it's
quiet common to own a house and have a driveway
L229[09:47:31] <packbart> I can't
complain. The city has charging points everywhere and I just
connect the car-sharing i3 and leave it there
L230[09:47:39] <Mat2ch> except Manhattan
mabye.
L231[09:47:55] <packbart> some of them
have the "range extender" variant - with a small
generator in the back
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L235[10:17:43] <VanDisaster> about 30% of
car parking around here is in people's driveways
L236[10:17:46] <VanDisaster> most of it is
on the street
L237[10:21:45] <VanDisaster> I wonder what
it is about micro turbines that isn't workint out... they're
compact, simple and if they're just chariging batteries they can
run at their ideal speed
L238[10:22:08] <Mat2ch> PV is the best way
to charge batteries ;)
L239[10:23:19] <Mat2ch> why are we even
discussing fossil fuels anymore? There's the sun, there's wind, go
use it for charging all the batteries
L240[10:37:21] <Althego> there are many
reasons
L241[10:37:34] <Althego> like you cant
really store huge amounts of it during the night
L242[10:37:48] <Althego> or with wind, you
cant use it if wind speed is too low or too high
L243[10:38:27] <Mat2ch> well, storing is
just a problem of capacity
L244[10:38:45] <Mat2ch> and this is not
rocket science. ;)
L245[10:38:52] *
raptop imagines having a few thousand kg of batteries sitting in my
apt uneasily
L246[10:39:22] <raptop> There's definitely
a need to store power during the spring so the A/C works during the
summer
L247[10:39:30] <Mat2ch> raptop: iirc the
powerwall from tesla is 7 kWh, which is enough to power a
home
L248[10:39:42] <Mat2ch> eh, during summer
you've got lots and lots of sunlight :P
L249[10:40:03] <Mat2ch> and for some
reason the A/C has only to work really hard, when the sun is
shining ;)
L250[10:40:29] <raptop> Mat2ch: that's,
uh, a bit less than 1 day of average use for me
L251[10:40:54] <raptop> eh, there are lots
of nights where it stays at >80 F
L252[10:41:30] <raptop> no, wait, I math'd
wrong. a bit more than 1 day
L253[10:42:16] <raptop> (199 kWh/mo yearly
average, but since about 60% of that seems to be A/C)
L254[10:42:40] <Mat2ch> raptop: you use 7
kW a day?
L255[10:42:51] <Mat2ch> also that's only
the storage for the night time
L256[10:42:59] <VanDisaster> you do not
need to burn fossil fuels in either a turbine or an IC engine, as
long as it burns it works
L257[10:43:32] <umaxtu> you can get build
up though
L258[10:43:34] <Mat2ch> during the day
your solar panels have to generate the power for the house (that's
when usually most of the energy is used) and during night
everything runs of the battery
L259[10:44:51] <Mat2ch> VanDisaster: and
where do we get the renewable fuels? :)
L260[10:45:15] <Mat2ch> I did a lot of
research into H2 generation lately, so I know the answer
already...
L261[10:45:17] <VanDisaster> *shrug* that
isn't rocket science either
L262[10:45:26] <Mat2ch> the amount needed
is.
L263[10:45:38] <Mat2ch> PV+battery is far
easier when possible.
L264[10:46:03] <Mat2ch> And uses far less
resources
L265[10:46:03] <raptop> Mat2ch: more like
6.6 (199/month, which is so low because I'm in an apartment)
L266[10:46:28] <Mat2ch> raptop: if you had
a house that could be fully powered by solar panels and a
powerwall
L267[10:46:49] <VanDisaster> you are
assuming people have a) houses and b) somewhere to park where they
can charge
L268[10:47:33] <Mat2ch> I already answered
b
L269[10:48:05] <Mat2ch> and yes, a) is a
problem. But could be solved by bigger installations (which would
make a more efficient use of the capacity available)
L270[10:49:08] <raptop> (I mean, for a
proper house, you'd I'd expect want 5-7 powerwalls. More if it's a
mcmansion)
L271[10:49:17] <raptop> *I'd expect that
one would want
L272[10:49:56] <Mat2ch> nop. There are
several people with houses that have one or two powerwalls and
don't need the net anymore at all
L273[10:51:52] <raptop> so, what's your
typical usage?
L274[10:52:05] <Mat2ch> your solar panels
generate around 20 to 30 kWh per day
L275[10:52:16] <Mat2ch> depending on the
size
L276[10:52:41] <Althego> what does the
magnetometer boom do? i mean in what dituations does it work?
L277[10:53:28] <Mat2ch> (and when you buy
two powerwalls you need that size of solar panels)
L278[10:55:21] <Althego> not on the wiki
yet
L279[10:55:46] *
raptop assumes that they're in some place with notably cool
summers
L280[11:03:14] <packbart> Althego:
"situationMask = 48 //Only valid in space low and in space
high."
L281[11:04:26] <Althego> this could be
autogenerated into the ingame description
L282[11:04:35] <Althego> thanks
L283[11:05:25] <Mat2ch> oh, PW2 seems to
have 14 kWh. So doubled
L284[11:06:25] <raptop> yay
L285[11:08:48] <Mat2ch> well, there are
people in Florida having powerwalls and solar panels on the roof.
There has to be a reason for that.
L286[11:10:16] <umaxtu> I know in some
townships at least, installing solar panels jacks up your property
taxes
L287[11:12:55] <raptop> I know my mother
is getting good use out of non-powerwall solar in santa fe, but
that's very much an ideal case
L288[11:13:21] <raptop> (high altitude,
lowish latitude, semi-arid, and somehow has summers that barely
need A/C)
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L291[11:48:11] <darsie> Jeb forgot to put
on a helmet when boarding the command seat on the launch
pad.3
L292[11:48:13] <darsie> -3
L293[11:48:18] <darsie> 1.10
L294[11:50:42] <raptop> Did he die upon
hitting 70 km altitude?
L295[11:52:47] <packbart> another Jeb
turns to dust
L296[11:57:39] <darsie> No, I discovered
it before launch.
L297[11:59:05] <flayer> would he have
died?
L298[12:01:57] <darsie> I tried. He died
at ~11 km.
L299[12:02:19] <Althego> do they survive
underwater?
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L301[12:03:30] <packbart> I seem to
remember that they go poof, too. Pressure limits in both
directions
L302[12:04:51] <darsie> Do they gave
gills?
L303[12:06:00] <JVFoxy> just holds breath
very good
L304[12:06:20] <Althego> since jets work
in water, it must be highly ocygenated
L305[12:09:28] <JVFoxy> pray water doesn't
just explode on its own
L306[12:09:39] <Althego> hehe
L307[12:09:54] <JVFoxy> engines work under
water too.. well to an extent
L308[12:10:01] <JVFoxy> guessing its a
glitch in the matrix
L309[12:10:04] <Althego> in ksp everything
explodes, so in the the best case only the oceans on eve can
explode
L310[12:10:13] <Althego> (since they are
from explodium)
L311[12:10:22] <JVFoxy> ksp, brought to
you by Michael Bay!
L312[12:10:29] <Althego> hehe
L313[12:10:42] <JVFoxy> I've seen just go
poof instead of exploding.
L314[12:10:56] <JVFoxy> guess it
depends.
L315[12:12:47] <packbart> "not enough
oxygen, the air is too thin" - right, that was it
L316[12:13:32] <JVFoxy> I never had the
guts to make a kerbal remove helmet in space
L317[12:13:39] <Althego> hehe
L318[12:13:40] <darsie> Try it.
L319[12:13:45] <Althego> probably it is
not allowed
L320[12:13:51] <darsie> correct
L321[12:14:10] <Althego> now you cant even
shred parachutes by opening them when you shouldnt
L322[12:14:15] <packbart> well, trying to
place my test vessel under water made KSP crash
L323[12:14:20] <JVFoxy> just seen the gui
button.. figured if its there, they tempt you with it?
L324[12:14:27] <packbart> yes they
do
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L326[12:15:26] <JVFoxy> lol.. still that
screenshot, coming out of timewarp, ended up 124km under the
surface. 1million kpa, ya ship boom
L327[12:15:44] <Althego> hehehe
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L329[12:20:39] <JVFoxy> I should do a
video of how far KSP has come since I've been playing.. (from 0.18
really on friend's laptop, but I didn't actually get it till 0.23.
No thanks to stupid auto-update, earliest version I have on here is
0.24)
L330[12:21:19] *
flayer sighs
L331[12:28:09] <JVFoxy> flayer ?
L332[12:28:26] <flayer> i'm stressed and
tired
L333[12:28:42] <JVFoxy> oh
L334[12:28:45] *
JVFoxy just woke up
L335[12:29:00] <flayer> i hope i can sleep
tonight
L336[12:29:14] <flayer> i'm at my
limit
L337[12:29:56] <Althego> luckily no launch
tonight so i can sleep soon
L338[12:30:36] <flayer> i worked 24 hours
in the past 2 work days
L339[12:31:08] <flayer> monday and
tuesday
L340[12:33:21] <flayer> this is
crazy
L341[12:33:28] <flayer> last week i worked
66 hours
L342[12:33:39] <flayer> i am not used to
this at all
L343[12:33:48] <flayer> too much social
interaction
L344[12:34:04] <flayer> i met 140 people
in 9 days
L345[12:37:43] <raptop> uh, hopefully
you're doing well on masks?
L346[12:37:50] <flayer> no
L347[12:38:01] <flayer> no masks, little
distancing
L348[12:38:12] <flayer> most of them all
touch the same tablet
L349[12:38:50] <raptop> whelp
L350[12:39:06] <flayer> and four of my
colleagues come from the part of the country that was most
infected, to the part of the country that has been least infected
... so far.
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L352[12:40:11] <flayer> It's quite
extraordinary, the level of irresponsibility.
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L357[12:56:21] <raptop> He'll be fine
(probably)
L358[13:00:03] <darsie> He is. This was my
test how much altitude I lose when burning retrograde to a halt and
I had enough fuel remaining for landing, so I did.
L359[13:01:01] <darsie> Attitude control
was difficult, though, cause my control point was Jeb, who was
looking 90 degrees off the engine direction.
L360[13:01:37] <JVFoxy> darsie fun with
command chairs again?
L361[13:05:48] <darsie> yep
L362[13:07:28] <JVFoxy> I've sometimes
wondered if the CoM shifts depending if it occupied or not
L363[13:08:03] <darsie> It shifts.
L364[13:08:19] <JVFoxy> you can center it
on top of a rocket, but kerbal faces out the side. Twist it up 90
deg, but then how far do you off set it for the mass when kerbal
sits in it
L366[13:19:06] <umaxtu> RCS Build AId is
the best
L367[13:19:35] <umaxtu> its so handy for
just building regular planes because you can get it to display the
dry CoM and the wet CoM
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L373[15:15:45] <JVFoxy> find myself
reading up on different star types
L374[15:16:16] <raptop> *bamf!*
L375[15:18:18] <raptop> Kerbol doesn't
really match up with anything <_<
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L410[21:27:52] <JVFoxy> giving myself a
little side project: see if I can rebuild my Dakota spaceplane from
KSP 1.0.5 in one of the more current versions of the game
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L412[21:59:46] <JVFoxy> looks a lot
cleaner without a couple of fuel lines..
L413[22:05:32] <raptop> yay
L415[22:16:54] <JVFoxy> new is first two
pics, older version on bottom
L416[22:17:44] <JVFoxy> got some decent
left over DV, about 800 during the last test when didn't have the
brakes, radiators on it
L417[22:18:46] <raptop> vaguely blackbird
looks
L418[22:18:53] <JVFoxy> also yay for auto
struts. :)
L419[22:19:12] <raptop> those too
L420[22:19:33] <JVFoxy> 7.6g on pitch,
nothing blowing off
L421[22:21:26] <JVFoxy> a little worried
about rocket power phase though. single swivel does get it up
there, if I'm careful
L422[22:28:20] <JVFoxy> actually. other
than a bit of heating on the Big S wings, this time 917dv left over
in 71km orbit. huh
L423[22:28:45] <JVFoxy> The radiators
weren't on the original
L424[22:29:49] <JVFoxy> did away with the
reaction wheels, not sure why I had them on there in the first
place
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L426[22:39:50] <JVFoxy> ooof.. a little
bit of a handful on the way down. drop vel down to 1900m/s orbital,
things get toasty but with those brakes, slows it down pretty
quick. Aero gets a little messy leave them on for too long
L427[22:40:25] <JVFoxy> just cruising back
to ksp right now on two of the four jets
L428[22:47:24] <JVFoxy> ok stupid aero
modeling, plane keeps wanting to roll to one side all the time
despite everything's strutted, rigid and mirrored. :\
L429[22:56:37] <JVFoxy> lol.. good news,
bad news? didn't make it to KSP, made it to the western shore of
the mainland at least, 9 seconds of jet power left
L430[23:04:58] <Althego> i just add a tiny
bit of trim
L431[23:05:11] <Althego> but that roll is
stupid
L432[23:06:20] <JVFoxy> it over
compinastes
L433[23:06:39] <JVFoxy> think it has
something to do with body lift not being properly mirrored with
some parts
L434[23:07:54] <JVFoxy> I might try
connecting the S wings to the center body instead of the
engine/fuel pods on the sides, but later when I feel like it
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