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L23[03:43:08] <Dutchy45> I performed an
orbital scan of Kerbin using the M700 Survey Scanner. I can see the
results in map mode but the wiki says I should also be able to see
it in the Tracking Station. I clicked everywhere in the resources
icon but I don't see any results. What am I doing wrong?
L24[03:52:40] <Althego> yes it should be
visible in the tracking station
L25[03:52:58] <Althego> it has its own
icon, where you can select the levels or something
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L27[03:53:37] <Dutchy45> yeah, the
resources icon but I get nada
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L30[04:21:37] <Dutchy45> lol, so nobody's
got a clue?
L31[04:26:46] <snow> apparently it was a
bug in some versions
L32[04:26:52] <snow> no clue if/when it was
fixed though
L33[04:27:53] <Althego> i found the bug. t
was from 2015, and supposedly closed
L34[04:33:11] <Dutchy45> So, once the ship
with the scanner has gone I can't see the results anymore?
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L36[04:41:07] <Dutchy45> BTW, I have
version 1.8.0.2686 (downloaded last year) and it's definitely not
closed
L37[05:09:10] <Dutchy45> Is this bug only a
problem when I scan Kerbin?
L38[05:19:25] <packbart> huh. I've scanned
Kerbin since 1.4 and it worked
L39[05:24:21] <Dutchy45> In the tracking
station?
L40[05:30:33] <Judge_Dedd> Have you tried
in 1.9.1, Dutchy45?
L41[05:30:55] <Althego> "have you
tried turning it off and on again?" :)
L42[05:31:02] <Judge_Dedd> Quite a few bugs
were fixed in the latest version, though I don't know if that was
one of them
L43[05:31:38] <Judge_Dedd> Also, are you
running mods?
L44[05:42:54] <Judge_Dedd> Still there,
Dutchy45?
L45[05:44:17] <packbart> Dutchy45: now that
you say it, I'm not sure if I really tested it in the tracking
station. it certainly works in the map view. I seem to remember
checking ore scan results in the tracking station but I'd better
test that again (later)
L46[05:48:56] <Dutchy45> Yeah, still here.
Only the alarm clock. I didn't turn it off and on again. (can't try
that now anymore. mission is over)
L47[05:51:24] <Dutchy45> packbart, yeah map
view was no problem
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L49[06:06:23] <Dutchy45> Judge_Dedd, I'll
download 1.9.1 later. I didn't even know there was a never
versions. I'm not the most up to date with things Kerbal
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L52[06:58:23] <Dutchy45> Now I'm annoyed! 1
bug; ok. But 2! In consecutive missions. I tried to do a rescue
mission and I can't take control of the ship whose Kerbal I'm
supposed to rescue. So no EVA, and no rescue. I did a rescue
mission a few days ago without any problem. Ideas anyone?
L53[07:10:33] <Eddi|zuHause> usually you
would fly close to the ship and click on the hatch to have the
kerbal go on EVA
L54[07:11:49] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure
if this is a mod, but there are also buttons for switching back and
forth between nearby vessels
L55[07:12:44] <Eddi|zuHause> (i couldn't
tell you which buttons though)
L56[07:18:17] <darsie> I switch control to
the other ship within 2.2 km. Normally with [] keys, I think. With
the Dvorak keymap it's /=.
L57[07:19:03] <darsie> Then I can click the
hatch and go on EVA. Or use the EVA button on the Kerbal video in
the lower right corner of the screen.
L58[07:19:10] <darsie> Dutchy45:
L59[07:19:29] <darsie> I'm on 1.7.3.
L60[07:23:18] <Dutchy45> darsie, what's
Dvorak?
L61[07:23:30] <Althego> a keyboard
layout
L62[07:23:48] <Althego> antithesis of
qwerty, optimized for fastest typing instead of slowest
L63[07:24:25] <Dutchy45> Aah..ok
L64[07:25:18] <Althego> more than 100, i
think artound 120 years ago the first typewriters had a mechanical
connection that could become jammed, so the first keyboard were
optimized fo slwoest english typing (common letters far away). that
was the qwerty layout. even a few years later this mechanical issue
was fixed, but we are stuck with the layout ever since
L65[07:28:13] <darsie> I'm not.
L66[07:28:53] <darsie> frequent consecutive
keys were separated with qwerty.
L67[07:30:05] <darsie> Dvorak puts the next
to each other or on alternating hands.
L68[07:30:12] <darsie> them
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L71[07:45:48] <snow> you know there's no
evidence that that was the objective behind qwerty, right?
L72[07:50:25] <Althego> we should be all
using etaoin layout anyway :)
L74[07:51:15] <snow> heh, even
L76[07:54:18] <Althego> actually it says it
makes you type faster because the mechanical arms dont jam :)
L77[07:54:54] <Althego> so it was not
designed to make you type slower
L78[07:55:04] <Althego> but took the common
letters far apart
L79[07:55:16] <Althego> and i think that is
equivalent of slowing oyu donw
L80[07:55:49] <snow> yeah, there are some
bits in there that are questionable though
L81[07:56:04] <snow> like the bigrams bit.
ER/RE is a very common one, and somehow doesn't cause issues
L82[07:57:15] <snow> and I think that for
most applications, there isn't that much practical difference
between qwerty and dvorak in typing speed. Maybe switching
keyboards and forcing yourself to relearn typing forces you to
unlearn some bad habits that were slowing you down instead, I don't
know
L83[07:58:13] <Althego> there are typing
competitions, and as i can remember dvorak has only a tiny bit of
adventage
L84[07:58:23] <Althego> btw, cdu/fms has
abcd layout
L85[07:58:30] <Althego> you cant find any
letter on it :)
L86[07:58:53] <Althego> even though they
arein order, it seems unnatoral at this point
L87[07:59:02] <snow> ugh, I've had to use
label printers in the past that had abc keyboards
L88[07:59:09] <Althego> it is like 10
seconds for one stroke
L89[07:59:09] <snow> yeah, exactly
that
L90[07:59:40] <snow> but I guess it makes
everybody think about what buttons they're pressing
L91[07:59:53] <snow> rather than ending up
with disastrous qwerty/qwertz/azerty mixups
L92[08:00:26] <Althego> the first man who
came up with a modification (aside from national accented chars),
should have been put to jail
L93[08:00:39] <Althego> at least 20
years
L94[08:01:54] <Althego> maybe in 20 years
we can use brain computer interface without a keyboard
L95[08:02:20] <Mat2ch> Althego: well, 20
years ago we thought that we have this in 20 years...
L96[08:02:25] <Althego> the computer should
adapt to my thinking, i shouldnt need to adapt to the
computer
L97[08:02:34] <Althego> fusion is always 30
years away :)
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L100[08:13:28] <Mat2ch> We will master
fusion probably after the warp drive. With some outside help
:D
L101[08:13:45] <Mat2ch> Solar powered warp
drive. Don't stop if no sun is nearby *g*
L102[08:14:37] <Mat2ch> At least with no
sun nearby you can start an emergency nuclear reactor and have no
problems with cooling it...
L103[08:17:47] <Althego> on the contraty i
think cooling it would be an engineering problem. not unsolvable,
but probably as much radiators would be needed as solar
panels
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L113[08:42:26] <Dutchy45> packbart,
hopefully my problem will go away when I download the newest
version later
L114[08:43:17] <Althego> hehe
L115[08:43:36] <Althego> Topic for #awk
is: <Althego> i thought maybe a regex would help
L116[08:44:05] <Althego> so these are nice
ideas
L117[08:44:07] <Althego> dont work
L118[08:44:09] <snow> Now you have two
problems?
L119[08:44:15] <Althego> like installing
newer version
L120[08:44:51] <Althego> it turned out
regex alone was insufficient, so i had to do a correct
tokenization
L121[08:45:29] <Althego> meanwhile i cant
geta kernel version that is usable in the ci system. the buster
defailt 4.19 is slow, the 5.x versions are good, but they leak away
memory slowly but surely in kernel space
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L126[09:08:42] <Mat2ch> Althego: you're
really batteling with awk? ;)
L127[09:08:53] <Althego> no, that was in
c++
L128[09:09:01] <Althego> i am ok with
awk
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L130[09:11:03] <Mat2ch> I'm a bit
struggeling with python right now. Why no ++, why no &&? Ts
;)
L131[09:15:27] <Althego> yes the lack of
++ and -- is annoying
L132[09:15:37] <Althego> on the other hand
you can do so many things easily
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L134[09:23:55] <packbart> every language
has its weirdness. there are things in LUA I find very odd. Ruby is
worse. Not-Java aka Kotlin is somewhat better
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L136[09:24:24] <Althego> malbolg :)
L137[09:24:36] <packbart> MUMPS :P
L138[09:25:34] <flayer> good day
L139[09:26:49] <Althego> insert "good
day, sir" meme
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L156[11:36:58] <flayer> 5000dv in LKO for
my asteroid retriever
L157[11:40:44] <flayer> 7km encounter in
260 days at a relative speed of 1400 (not so good), but still
4360dv to spare
L158[11:45:08] <flayer> 16ms in 240 days
to make it a 5 km encounter, i can wing it from then on
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L162[12:13:05] <packbart> stock vessels I
didn't know existed: The Butterfly Rover with electric ducted fan
propulsion
L163[12:13:26] <packbart> 50m/s before it
veered to one side and crashed one the rotors
L164[12:14:56] <Althego> that is quite
new
L165[12:15:17] <Althego> there is a
valentina copter or something
L166[12:16:16] <packbart> the Kerbodyne
Rotodyne looks like an actual helictopter. got some action group
bindings to fore/back translation, yaw and main throttle. I'll give
it a spin :)
L167[12:18:36] <packbart> it flies like a
helicopter, too. every move needs a combination of all controls.
SAS to the rescue
L168[12:19:25] <packbart> (ok, it does not
look like a helicopter. it's much weirder ;)
L170[12:24:36] <Althego> ah yes i tried
this, really strange thing
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L172[12:55:32] <Althego> there are some
videos on yt about spacex raptor engines being transported. there
was one comment for one that said, spacex should use jurassic park
raptor crates to transport them :)
L173[13:01:05] <Mat2ch> :D
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L190[15:32:05] <kmath> YouTube - amx water
test 1
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L207[17:52:29] <flayer> alright, second
duna window coming up
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L209[17:53:59] <flayer> first, that means
i can control my probe again lol
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L248[22:53:19] <Althego> hehe existential
question of the day: does a female centaur use the human half or
the horse half to feed the young?
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