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L3[01:20:39] <UmbralRaptop> that would make getting back slightly difficult
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L18[05:16:44] <hatrix> What's the lowest orbit for Ike? I thought I had 10km but when I landed I couldn't find the craft in orbit anymore :(
L19[05:16:53] <hatrix> I think it crashed, any way I can check that?
L20[05:18:32] <darsie> The map says Low orbits are 10 km above obstacles or atmosphere and gives 10 km for Ike, but Ike isn't a perfect sphere ...
L21[05:18:57] <hatrix> rip my spacecraft
L22[05:19:14] <hatrix> luckily, bad designs allows me to get back to Kerbin with the lander
L23[05:19:16] <darsie> 10 km sounds safe, though.
L24[05:20:32] <Althego> hehe
L25[05:21:47] <hatrix> 3 000m/s is enough for a Ike -> Kerbin, right?
L26[05:22:04] <darsie> Use the map, Luke.
L27[05:22:11] <hatrix> the maps says it's ok
L28[05:22:17] <Althego> more than enough
L29[05:22:29] <Althego> with around 800 you can get back to kerbin from duna
L30[05:22:32] <Althego> low orbit
L31[05:22:48] <darsie> Usually you can get away with less, if you have an efficient design and fly well.
L32[05:27:13] <darsie> There's a large spike on Ikes north pole, but I don't think it's >10 km.
L33[05:27:54] <hatrix> ok nice, from Ike I should only need 630 to get an encounter :)
L34[05:28:08] <hatrix> well, 10km is pretty low for some spikes
L35[05:29:43] <Eddi|zuHause> iirc you don't crash into planets if you don't have the physics bubble loaded
L36[05:30:41] <Althego> no, you can totally lose crafts by leaving them in a wrong orbi
L37[05:30:51] <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe that was just atmosphere?
L38[05:31:48] <Althego> that has such an effect too
L39[05:37:07] <darsie> I had a ship disappear at 13451 m on Duna: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot183.png
L40[05:37:35] <hatrix> oops
L41[05:38:44] <Althego> that is too low lol
L42[05:38:54] <Althego> oh wait it is not even in orbit
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L44[05:57:43] <darsie> That ship even disappears wiht 10 km Pe while the focus is on a ship in solar orbit and 100x warp.
L45[05:58:11] <darsie> KER didn't predict an impact.
L46[05:58:45] <darsie> My 1.7.3 setup has some bugs, though.
L47[05:59:07] <darsie> Like missing the 'focus camera here' menu item.
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L50[06:20:01] <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't there a setting for "show advanced options"?
L51[06:20:11] <Eddi|zuHause> haven't played the game in ages
L52[06:20:35] <Althego> advanced tweakables
L53[06:21:14] <darsie> Yes, you're my hero :).
L54[06:21:17] <darsie> That was it.
L55[06:21:30] <darsie> Reinstalled KSP in vein.
L56[06:22:54] <darsie> Now I gotta reinstall my mods ...
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L61[07:30:14] <hatrix> is that ok for an Eve lander? https://i.imgur.com/ofMFama.png
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L69[10:40:02] <hatrix> yeah it worked, first try :)
L70[10:40:05] <hatrix> made an album https://imgur.com/a/MNOPFoo
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L72[10:52:50] <Althego> i usually hide the drogue under the main
L73[10:53:08] <Althego> 4, even 2 is normally too many
L74[10:53:12] <Althego> nice mission
L75[10:59:28] <hatrix> I figured it was too many but I prefered to be cautious
L76[10:59:47] <Althego> did you do the measurements in atmosphere high, low and ground?
L77[11:01:51] <hatrix> nope, only one :/
L78[11:02:03] <hatrix> I didn't have anything to store the data or transmit
L79[11:02:07] <Althego> conclusion: you have to send an other one for those too :)
L80[11:02:19] <hatrix> next mission will be a mobile processing lab
L81[11:06:29] <Althego> selection process for the crew: must like purple
L82[11:06:57] <hatrix> thos scientifs are never coming back you're right
L83[11:08:23] <hatrix> but now I need money, that mission was 300k…
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L88[12:34:10] <UmbralRaptop> I mean, you could launch a rescue mission in a decade or 3
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L90[13:10:04] <hatrix> now that's a shitty relay network I have around Duna https://i.imgur.com/nnvvOoq.png
L91[13:10:26] <hatrix> My craft -> Orbital station around Duna -> Network aroudn eve x2 -> Kerbin
L92[13:10:45] * UmbralRaptop fines hatrix for violating the verbal morality statue
L93[13:10:51] <UmbralRaptop> statute
L94[13:11:14] <packbart> the wonders of Magic CommNet :)
L95[13:11:19] <hoglahoo> the fine for violating the statue is even higher
L96[13:11:26] <Althego> lol
L97[13:20:43] <hatrix> touchdown on Ike with 0 fuel left at 15 meters high!
L98[13:20:50] <hatrix> perfect design
L99[13:21:26] <UmbralRaptop> \o/
L100[13:23:00] <hatrix> earned roughly 600k with a craft that cost 70k :)
L101[13:24:03] <UmbralRaptop> Seems like a decent ROI
L102[13:27:28] <hatrix> I like to create albums https://imgur.com/a/9mHYQkq
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L104[13:38:05] <hatrix> boom, got a contract for an outpost on Eve, I'll use this one for my mobile processing mission :)
L105[13:38:36] <hatrix> wtf, 6000 units of fuel on an outpost :o
L106[13:38:44] <hatrix> how am I supposed to land that kind of thing
L107[13:38:52] <Althego> hehe i hate these fuel requirements
L108[13:38:57] <Althego> i usually ignore these
L109[13:39:02] <Althego> you land and mine it later
L110[13:39:20] <hatrix> you still need an empty tank no?
L111[13:39:27] <Althego> but that is not heavy
L112[13:39:42] <hatrix> I need to find a design that is both stable and won't burn
L113[13:39:57] <Althego> inflatable heatshield solves everything
L114[13:40:21] <hatrix> I need 11 kerbals, 6000 fuel and mobile lab
L115[13:40:28] <hatrix> that's going to be a nice outpost
L116[13:41:25] <Althego> 11 prisoners
L117[13:41:37] <hatrix> they don't require anyone on board, I'll just toss a scientist
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