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L61[04:16:29] <Mat2ch> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/190993-ksp-17-18-kipard-skylon-v10-jan-13-2020/
L62[04:16:34] <Mat2ch> not bad, not bad
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L75[04:54:14] <Flayer> alright, i guess my kerbals aren't coming back from duna for a few years to come...
L76[04:58:13] <packbart> 2 years is the average return window cycle, according to the dV map
L77[04:59:35] <hatrix> do you actually plan severals missions at the same time or do you always time warp?
L78[04:59:55] <hatrix> I'm thinking about that kerbal clock mod thingy, but I'm not sure I'll use it that much
L79[05:00:05] <Flayer> i am utterly dependent on it
L80[05:00:15] <Mat2ch> Kerbal Alarm Clock is nice if you have several missions running
L81[05:00:28] <Mat2ch> otherwise it's nice to have, but not necessary
L82[05:00:32] <hatrix> what kind of use case?
L83[05:00:55] <hatrix> i try to finish my misisons before going for another one
L84[05:01:01] <Mat2ch> Well, if you want to explore a planet in depth you may want to send several probes on different rockets
L85[05:01:05] <packbart> I'll try to go to Duna this career
L86[05:01:30] <hatrix> aah
L87[05:01:33] <hatrix> "and not warp past important times."
L88[05:01:35] <hatrix> that thing right here :)
L89[05:01:37] <Mat2ch> Like sending a surface scanner, a antenna network and then a crew carrier
L90[05:01:48] <packbart> I abandonded the last save again with probes en route to Duna, Moho and Eve. but Kerbalism's time-warp weirdness put me off
L91[05:02:11] <packbart> so I'll restart without Kerbalism this time. Going to Minmus and back with less than 50 EC and no solar panels. Yay :)
L92[05:02:24] <Mat2ch> and every single ship has a slightly different angle to the target and will need flight path corrections somewhere in flight
L93[05:03:12] <Mat2ch> and with KAC you wont miss any of the important manouvers needed
L94[05:03:19] <hatrix> I sometimes need to switch between vessels and I'm afraid of being too late for another one i need to check
L95[05:03:30] <Flayer> yeah it's very nice for that
L96[05:03:31] <Mat2ch> Three hours to Starlink launch, btw
L97[05:03:33] <hatrix> that could be fixed with the alarms
L98[05:03:45] <Mat2ch> exactly :)
L99[05:04:12] <hatrix> also for asteroids, I don't want to timewarps years just for an encounter
L100[05:04:22] <hatrix> but I'd like to still have an alarm to remind me it's here
L101[05:04:41] <hatrix> also contracts expiration, nice
L102[05:05:22] <packbart> I set alarms for returning capsules, 15min before Kerbin periapsis and pausing the game
L103[05:05:44] <Flayer> ^
L104[05:06:06] <hatrix> ok nice
L105[05:06:25] <hatrix> what are the mods you couldn't do without anymore?
L106[05:06:33] <Flayer> KIS/KAS
L107[05:06:34] <hatrix> I hear a lot about KAC and Redux
L108[05:07:24] <packbart> yeah, I'd say KAC and Station Parts Expanded Reduxed. KER, too, if you like HUDs with various telemetry
L109[05:07:43] <packbart> Chatterer, maybe ;)
L110[05:08:07] <Flayer> chatterer is so much part of my standard install i just assume its part of the game
L111[05:09:02] <packbart> I added the samples of Gene from Mission Control. The "contract declined" sounds are fun. Val: somethingsomething. Gene: *siiiigh*
L112[05:10:28] <hatrix> oh nice
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L119[07:06:17] <Flayer> sigh
L120[07:06:22] <Flayer> starting a new job tomorrow
L121[07:06:24] <Flayer> i'm nervous
L122[07:06:57] <Mat2ch> oh, what are you going to do?
L123[07:07:10] <Flayer> nothing interesting
L124[07:07:21] <Flayer> house to house installing stuff
L125[07:08:04] <Mat2ch> Well, that can be interesting. Meeting many new people a day
L126[07:08:14] <Mat2ch> hopefully getting some coffee and cookies on the way... ;)
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L129[07:08:26] <Flayer> i'm just happy not to be stuck in an office with the same people every day
L130[07:10:12] <hatrix> that's not so bad either
L131[07:10:41] <Mat2ch> Depends on what you like
L132[07:10:54] <Mat2ch> I'd like to have from all options a bit
L133[07:11:01] <Mat2ch> maybe being stuck for a day or two in office
L134[07:11:09] <Mat2ch> then being on the road
L135[07:11:13] <Mat2ch> would never get old
L136[07:14:50] <Mat2ch> Ah, new Linux kernel. That means I now have a good excuse to play KSP all day. Unity managed to trigger a graphics driver bug. Should be solved in 5.5
L137[07:15:05] <Mat2ch> And 95 minutes til launch!
L138[07:17:44] <Mat2ch> and the prognosis for this summer is: HOT HOT HOT. Who would have thought? I expected polar bears. ;P
L139[07:17:54] * Mat2ch needs an AC...
L140[07:25:08] <Flayer> i'm going to dock all my 4 ship designs to the station
L141[07:25:29] <hatrix> where do you live Mat2ch?
L142[07:27:04] <Mat2ch> hatrix: GMT+1 northern hemisphere ;)
L143[07:27:21] <hatrix> that could be anywhere in wester europe
L144[07:27:26] <hatrix> n
L145[07:29:14] <Mat2ch> wikipedia says it's Central Europe... I always thought we'd be in Western Europe. Interesting
L146[07:30:13] <Mat2ch> Another clue: Elon is building a factory here soon :P
L147[07:30:16] <hatrix> Slovakia or around?
L148[07:33:40] <sandbox> Berlin?
L149[07:34:05] <Mat2ch> Luckily not, but same country ;P
L150[07:34:12] <Mat2ch> Nobody wants to go to Berlin
L151[07:34:49] <hatrix> Deutschland ist central europe? :o
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L153[07:35:52] <sandbox> it's what came up when I searched for elon musk factory europe
L154[07:36:26] <Flayer> well, they and hungary-austria were part of the central powers
L155[07:36:46] <Mat2ch> hatrix: I was suprised as well
L156[07:36:56] <Mat2ch> but Wikipedia is rarely wrong
L157[07:37:22] <Flayer> typically i don't bother separating europe into three parts
L158[07:37:24] <sandbox> right...
L159[07:37:25] <Flayer> its just west and east
L160[07:37:32] <Flayer> but if i do add a 'central' then germany might fall into that
L161[07:38:00] <Mat2ch> Nobody wants to go to Berlin, not even Elon Musk. GF4 will be in Brandenburg, a federal state. It is all around Berlin. With cheap property prices a enough cheap workers to keep the factory running
L162[07:38:31] <Mat2ch> Flayer: they even add a south and south-east Europe! ;)
L163[07:38:50] <Mat2ch> and North
L164[07:38:55] <Mat2ch> Norsk!
L165[07:39:47] <Mat2ch> Looks like the Starlink launch was pushed back. 70 minutes still left
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L167[07:46:06] *** Deddly changes topic to Kerbal Space Program official channel | Latest versions: 1.8.1, NaN | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | ΔV maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | Type "chanlog" for logs | Falcon/Starlink launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KmBDCiL7MU
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L172[08:24:14] <Deddly> Delayed 25 hours
L173[08:24:18] <Deddly> D'oh
L174[08:24:25] <hatrix> oops
L175[08:25:01] <Deddly> Strong high-altitude winds
L176[08:26:15] *** Deddly changes topic to Kerbal Space Program official channel | Latest versions: 1.8.1, NaN | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | ΔV maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | Type "chanlog" for logs | Falcon/Starlink launch Tues 14:28 GMT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KmBDCiL7MU
L177[08:26:36] <Althego> starlink delayed again
L178[08:26:39] <Althego> eh
L179[08:27:17] <Althego> but there is a mitsubishi whatever launch in 11 hours
L180[08:27:29] <Mat2ch> live in 24 h :(
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L182[08:30:32] <Deddly> Mitsubishi?
L183[08:30:51] <Mat2ch> H-2A • IGS Optical 7
L184[08:31:14] <Deddly> Ah yeah, so there is
L185[08:31:24] <Deddly> Do they have good streams?
L186[08:32:41] <Mat2ch> You have to wait for Althego to come back
L187[08:32:47] <Mat2ch> I never watch those launches
L188[08:34:02] <Mat2ch> Only F9s and Vega (because of the booster lifting of like a firework rocket)
L189[08:35:53] <Deddly> Seems to me that SpaceX like to put on a good show.
L190[08:36:10] <Deddly> Plus there's more to watch, since the booster lands as well
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L192[08:42:16] <Flayer> someone give me a heads up when there's another falcon heavy launch
L193[08:42:42] <Mat2ch> Later that year
L194[08:42:44] <Flayer> i'll watch two of them landing at the same time again, that was epic
L195[08:43:32] <Deddly> The "problem" is that F9 outperforms the original specs of the FH
L196[08:43:53] <Flayer> they need to add fuel lines from the outer ones to the center one
L197[08:44:18] <Deddly> That was the original plan
L198[08:44:45] <Deddly> Next FH launch is currently scheduled for October.
L199[08:44:53] <Flayer> although i suppose there's not much point in doing that when they've got that bigger one coming up
L200[08:45:56] <Mat2ch> Starship has still a loooooong way to go
L201[08:46:07] <Deddly> They gave up on the idea because it was too complicated to pump the fuel through the lines fast enough.
L202[08:46:29] <Deddly> Mat2ch, I think he means there's not much point spending R&D time on the FH
L203[08:48:46] <Flayer> especially if the original one outperforms the expections of the FH
L204[08:50:18] <Deddly> The basic idea is that fully reusable if better than partly reusable. By that metric, Starship/Super Heavy will outperform the FH by far
L205[08:50:30] <Deddly> is* better...
L206[08:52:46] <Flayer> now that the reusability of rockets has been proven, we have to go 100% reusable
L207[08:52:51] <Flayer> there is no other reasonable course of action
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L209[08:54:48] <Deddly> Depends.
L210[08:55:51] <Deddly> As far as things are progressing, I would agree with you. But what if someone were to develop something new and cheaper? A consumable rocket, for example.
L211[08:56:07] <Mat2ch> That has to be very very cheap
L212[08:56:26] <Deddly> SRB or hybrid rocket that burns itself up as fuel
L213[08:56:53] <Flayer> that is at least half a century away, probably several centuries
L214[08:56:58] <Mat2ch> I see a few problems there
L215[08:57:09] <Mat2ch> you will need a nozzle
L216[08:57:20] <Deddly> Yeah, that's the biggest problem
L217[08:57:21] <Mat2ch> and something to hold the nozzle in place
L218[08:58:25] <Deddly> It might be possible to make it burn from one end, like a candle, keeping a bell shape as it burns
L219[09:00:00] <Mat2ch> I'd have more hope in something that defies gravity...
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L221[09:02:01] <Flayer> you guys have no imagination talking about nozzles
L222[09:02:30] <Flayer> the rocket would burn in a way that the end of it is its own nozzle while it burns
L223[09:02:39] <Flayer> anyway, several centuries at least
L224[09:11:02] <packbart> self-forging nozzles
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L240[10:34:05] <packbart> "squad releases updates wayy too soon and it's ruined the experience for me" - can't please everybody. others complain if there are no regular updates
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L243[10:37:17] <Deddly> Who says that?
L244[10:37:45] <packbart> "The-Doctor". https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/181547-173-2-backports-kopernicus-kittopiatech/&do=findComment&comment=3732718
L245[10:38:05] <hatrix> I don't have KSP on steam, I'm never aware of updates
L246[10:38:25] <hatrix> I have at least 5 differents folders on my drive and always forget which one I've been using last
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L248[10:38:37] <Althego> hehe
L249[10:39:57] <Deddly> Yeah, updates do kinda ruin the modding experience for some.
L250[10:40:17] <Deddly> The few times I have installed mods, I don't bother replacing them after an update
L251[10:40:34] <hatrix> that's why I'd like to stay stock :|
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L253[10:42:25] <packbart> I didn't have much trouble with the (not so many) mods I use. The unity.dll redirects calls from old mods to the new DLLs and only a few shaders broke
L254[10:43:16] <packbart> I don't use Kopernicus, though, so I'm not affected by its version lock
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L261[11:08:57] <Flayer> my brain is tired
L262[11:12:08] * UmbralRaptop thought for a moment that 1.9 had come out
L263[11:12:21] * UmbralRaptop hands Flayer a pot of coffee
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L265[11:15:37] <Flayer> alright, i think my 'bring transport and fuel to duna' mission is prepped
L266[11:15:54] <hatrix> what's the point?
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L269[11:27:49] <packbart> "if (FlightGlobals.GetHomeBody().atmospherePressureSeaLevel != 101.324996948242)" - magic constant in line 78? scnr. looks like Kopernicus is still being teaked. the Twitterverse hyped a Kopernicus release party for today ;)
L270[11:27:56] <packbart> +w
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L272[11:28:27] <hatrix> that's ugly code
L273[11:29:02] <packbart> most code is
L274[11:29:04] <Althego> 101.324996948242 lol
L275[11:29:15] <Althego> not to mention it is never going to be equal
L276[11:30:31] <packbart> I can't say I knew what it's meant to do. just looking at the last commit from 20 minutes ago. ( https://github.com/Kopernicus/Kopernicus/commit/1903b2e14de019b8dbc0aa636b262ab17ccd4400 )
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L278[11:32:13] <hatrix> no test commited, nice
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L280[11:32:58] <Flayer> https://i.imgur.com/3hpwyZZ.png - all four vessels docked
L281[11:33:03] <Mat2ch> Althego: except... when there's such a constant in KSP itself
L282[11:33:17] <packbart> well, it's a mod, no MCAS ;)
L283[11:33:33] <hatrix> taht's crowded
L284[11:33:46] <Althego> so basically it wants to find out the body based on its sea level pressure?
L285[11:33:56] <hatrix> at least define constants
L286[11:36:52] <Mat2ch> Althego: there's a new Scott Manley video
L287[11:37:17] <packbart> Flayer: so that's a famous tourist destination?
L288[11:37:25] <Flayer> apparently so
L289[11:37:28] <packbart> I should finally upgrade the tracking station
L290[11:37:50] <Althego> the station announcements with the japanese accent interfering with the vide watching :)
L291[11:38:06] <hatrix> I need to update the research center but I'm broke
L292[11:38:27] <hatrix> and for a mission I need to hire 3 pilots, which costs more than what the mission pays
L293[11:42:23] <Althego> hehe bsg viper simulation
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L295[11:44:32] <transit> Bwoop
L296[11:45:02] <transit> Lunch movie: Steamboy!
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L304[12:31:36] <Flayer> i've gotten to the point where i'm docking without rcs thrusters
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L307[12:39:36] <Gasher> like, cancel the relative velocity, accelerate just a bit towards the target, switch control to target and rotate its docking port to the approaching ship
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L309[12:40:40] <Flayer> yep
L310[12:41:03] <Flayer> and i rendezvouz without using the nodes
L311[12:41:16] <Flayer> just 3 burns typically
L312[12:41:52] <Flayer> right down to 0.1
L313[12:43:28] <Gasher> hm, if it's in equatorial orbit then you can just wait till it passes over certain point to launch your ship, but i forgot what point exatly
L314[12:44:11] <Flayer> thats my next step of learning to play
L315[12:45:30] <Gasher> i'm kinda lazy to do that, easier to circularize then wait for the right phase
L316[12:47:15] <Flayer> omg, i get to launch the first rocket i designed for this game again -- i gotta get the seismic stuff from the mun, and i think i've figured out that you can get this by crashing something into the mun
L317[12:47:50] <Gasher> yeah
L318[12:48:00] <Gasher> opposite from the seismic station
L319[12:48:10] <Gasher> and the higher the velocity is the better
L320[12:48:46] <Gasher> idk about mass, whether its taken into account or no, i think it is
L321[12:51:26] <darsie> KSP2 ETA?
L322[12:51:41] <Althego> this year
L323[12:51:58] <Althego> i think it was soetime in spring, but i am not sure
L324[12:52:21] <Gasher> heh, looks like one of these 2nd parts has already failed me recently
L325[12:52:48] <UmbralRaptop> it was delayed somewhat? not sure
L326[12:53:15] <darsie> What's worse, delays or bugs?
L327[12:53:41] <Althego> i can wait 10 more years
L328[12:54:13] <Gasher> bugs and lack of content
L329[12:55:19] <darsie> I have a lot of fuel in orbit. What shall I do with it?
L330[12:55:55] <Althego> land it on eeloo
L331[12:56:34] <UmbralRaptop> bomb vallgenge
L332[12:56:51] <darsie> If I want a lot of fuel on Eeloo I'll put a refinery there.
L333[12:56:56] <darsie> vallgenge?
L334[12:57:11] <Althego> vallhenge
L335[12:57:18] <darsie> vallhenge?
L336[12:57:25] <Althego> hehe
L337[12:57:29] <darsie> :)
L338[12:57:30] <Althego> an easter egg
L339[12:57:31] <darsie> What is it?
L340[12:57:33] <darsie> hmm
L341[12:57:34] <Althego> on vall
L342[12:57:38] <Althego> it's a henge
L343[12:57:46] <Althego> ok, there is probably no such word
L344[12:57:49] <darsie> Hmm, I heard about Vall ...
L345[12:58:05] <darsie> Is it at Jool?
L346[12:58:18] <Althego> vall is a moon of jool
L347[12:58:23] <UmbralRaptop> Vall is apparently the new Dres
L348[12:58:29] <Althego> hehe no
L349[12:58:35] <Althego> it has a vallhenge
L350[12:58:43] <Althego> dres has a canyon and that's it
L351[12:59:08] <UmbralRaptop> But has anyone been to vall?
L352[12:59:18] <darsie> I could see if I find an egg on Dres.
L353[12:59:24] <Althego> i was, several times
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L368[13:38:05] <Althego> hehe anton petrov about the solar system xkcd a few daysago
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L383[15:20:52] * darsie refuels his Dres egg hunter in LKO: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot132.png
L384[15:22:53] <Flayer> 5 years into the program and i've designed exactly 27 crafts, launched about a hundred, and unlocked about half the tech tree with 75% of the Mun and Minmus done in terms of collecting data
L385[15:23:36] <darsie> Very noble of you not to finish the tech tree by using a lab on Minmus.
L386[15:23:52] <Flayer> yes i've got one orbiting the mun
L387[15:23:55] <Flayer> but not minmus
L388[15:24:21] <darsie> Why not landed on Minmus?
L389[15:24:44] <Flayer> its just a small moon
L390[15:24:51] <darsie> lol, ok :)
L391[15:25:03] <Flayer> i'm going to build a low-tech base on duna instead
L392[15:25:07] <darsie> But it has enough science to complete the tech tree.
L393[15:25:20] <Flayer> i am severely penalized on science in my game
L394[15:25:35] <darsie> How come?
L395[15:25:42] <Flayer> cause you can tweak the settings
L396[15:25:46] <Flayer> and thats what i did
L397[15:25:47] <darsie> ok
L398[15:26:15] <darsie> You'll have a lot more fun playing than me, then :).
L399[15:26:49] <Flayer> i just wanted to give myself a reason to take the time to gather data on duna and jools moons
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L415[17:07:30] <JVFoxy> mmm... is it wrong to fly a single kerbal out to minmus.. or Duna alone just so can safe on money launching smallest ship?
L416[17:07:45] <JVFoxy> safe-save... ugh, since when is KSP ever safe?
L417[17:10:20] <JVFoxy> Or .. better question would be: anyone else care about their Kerbals enough, that flying one cramped in a Mk1 pod is like putting them through borderline torture?
L418[17:10:54] <JVFoxy> .... at least beyond the Mun I should add... ugh not enough coffee I guess. >__<
L419[17:18:07] <UmbralRaptor> Hm. Each leg of a Mün mission is what, <15 hours?
L420[17:18:45] <UmbralRaptor> Longest Mercury mission was 1 day 10 hours
L421[17:21:32] <UmbralRaptor> Longest Gemini was, uh, 2 weeks?
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L423[17:41:16] <JVFoxy> @umbralraptor the 2 week Gemini mission was pretty cool I thought. It was more a test to see if people could actually survive that long up there in perpetration for the full Moon mission. Granted, it stayed in Earth orbit the whole time, so that had some affects on the design and requirements
L424[17:43:20] <JVFoxy> I've always the idea in my head, the further out you go, you'd want at least a bit of extra space, and a couple of crew members so so things can be rotated through, give breaks, sleep cycles...
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L426[17:48:38] <darsie> JVFoxy: I'm into minimalistic designs, so I flew a Kerbal on a command seat, Oscar B and an ant to Duna, where it would get out of the seat, aerobrake, slow down with the jetpack, impact and then stand up.
L427[17:49:58] <JVFoxy> darsie: I known people who've done missions to Eeloo using nothing more than ion engines and a command seat for their kerbal. Something like 80 years in spacesuit.. eh..
L428[17:50:03] <darsie> Umm, it was two Oscar B's. One should have worked, too, but then she would have had to finish the departure burn with the jetpack, which is possible, but then no more maneuver planning would have been possible.
L429[17:50:23] <darsie> JVFoxy: Yeah, did that, too, I guess.
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L432[17:51:07] <darsie> You know why Kerbals are green?
L433[17:51:09] <JVFoxy> I guess I don't quite have the same mentality to that extreme limit of minimalist stuff...
L434[17:51:26] <darsie> They're plants. All they need is light and CO2. They don't need diapers.
L435[17:51:43] <darsie> and some water. And tardigrades.
L436[17:52:20] <darsie> Or perhaps they're a plant animal hybrid, so they consume the glucose they make themselves. That also explains their mobility.
L437[17:52:41] <JVFoxy> so.. not because of badass hex code for color and the fact the original idea was some people built cardboard spaceships and had little green figures they'd fly them in as kids?
L438[17:53:57] <darsie> But yeah, nothing wrong with making more human realistic missions.
L439[17:53:59] <JVFoxy> I'll just chalk it up to make believe, KSP being more an open idea, it is what you want it to be
L440[17:54:53] <darsie> You can go for human realism, or minimal cost or whatever.
L441[17:55:54] <darsie> I just flew a low delta v route to Dres, I believe, which took another solar orbit.
L442[17:56:03] <darsie> or two
L443[17:57:14] <JVFoxy> I tend to play things out, see where it goes. I've a few missions on older versions KSP that been put on hold for the moment, till I can record them better.
L444[17:57:45] <JVFoxy> one of them is some gemini-agena style mission, with a Mk1 pod and robotic booster pair, to go around the Mun
L445[17:58:28] <JVFoxy> challenge was that I didn't upgrade the VAB/pad and wanted to see if I could do docking creation in orbit and get out to the moon with small parts
L446[18:00:10] <darsie> You can jetpack to orbit from the Mun.
L447[18:00:22] <darsie> Well, I can ;).
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L450[18:05:13] <JVFoxy> seems I've ended up mixing in RL elements into my design and some other stuff... self imposed limitations you could say
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L500[20:43:13] <UmbralRaptop> green
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