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L9[02:53:25] <Mat2ch> Althego: interesting
L10[02:53:35] <Mat2ch> I thought they weren't that far in the process
L11[02:54:46] <Althego> because of the spacex explosion they are now head to head for the first humans to the iss
L12[02:57:14] <Mat2ch> not really
L13[02:57:38] <Mat2ch> but almost
L14[02:57:45] <Mat2ch> I wonder when the inflight abort test is
L15[02:57:55] <Mat2ch> also for Boeing everything has to work today
L16[02:57:57] <Mat2ch> and tomorrow
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L18[03:06:19] <Althego> i think nasa did not ask for an in flight abort test
L19[03:06:23] <Althego> spacex did it anyway
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L21[03:25:41] <Mat2ch> well, I'd rather fly in a capsule that has proven its abort capability
L22[03:25:49] <Mat2ch> although launches got pretty safe lately
L23[03:27:05] <Mat2ch> I watched the video about Starship not having an abort mechanism yesterday. Well, we got pretty safe airplanes now. But they don't have a rocket pushing them through max-q...
L24[03:36:03] <Althego> it doesnt have a separate abort mechanism. but it has its main engines
L25[03:37:11] <Mat2ch> the question is if they're powerful enough to propell the ship fast enough away from the exploding booster...
L26[03:37:16] <Althego> according to elon, even if the booster is disintegrating, it cant do a fast explosion because the fuel and oxidizer is not mixed
L27[03:37:30] <Mat2ch> well, ok
L28[03:37:37] <Mat2ch> but what when the engines on starship fail?
L29[03:37:41] <Althego> still, i wouldnt want to be there when i explodes :)
L30[03:37:43] <Mat2ch> or the tank breaks apart?
L31[03:38:39] <Mat2ch> the top can't just break off and fall down on a parachute...
L32[03:38:50] <Mat2ch> I mean, I'm all in for landing Crew Dragon under power
L33[03:38:59] <Mat2ch> but it has a backup system...
L34[03:39:47] <Althego> that is a different thing
L35[03:40:00] <Mat2ch> how and why? Both systems are falling from the sky...
L36[03:40:20] <Althego> the abort mechanism is to take the crew away from the faulty booster
L37[03:40:32] <Althego> having some kind of recovery for the crew part
L38[03:40:35] <Althego> that is different
L39[03:40:58] <Althego> for the soyuz that is the reentry part. but there is no such thing for the starship
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L41[03:41:27] <Althego> they didnt even mention it
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L49[04:20:08] <Mat2ch> well
L50[04:20:19] <Mat2ch> my ssto space plane is another masterpiece
L51[04:20:21] <Mat2ch> but
L52[04:20:33] <Mat2ch> is there a way to automatically restart the drills when power ran out?
L53[04:20:37] <Mat2ch> it's annoying
L54[04:20:59] <Mat2ch> I have to drill for weeks and I don't want to have to restart them all the time
L55[04:21:00] <Mat2ch> :|
L56[04:23:08] <Althego> simple, turn on maximum time warp and power never runs out
L57[04:23:16] <Mat2ch> uh, five minutes
L58[04:23:43] <Althego> which is kind of cheating, but that is what the game usually does
L59[04:24:05] <Mat2ch> well, flying to a distant planet and refilling by mining ore is a bit cheaty, too ;)
L60[04:24:16] <Mat2ch> I wonder why the drills have to stop
L61[04:24:20] <Mat2ch> and turned back on
L62[04:24:22] <Althego> unless it is metallic hydrogen :)
L63[04:24:29] <Mat2ch> and the resource converter doesn't
L64[04:24:45] <Mat2ch> But where do you get the oxygene from?
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L66[04:31:10] <kubi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg
L67[04:31:10] <kmath> YouTube - NASA Live: Official Stream of NASA TV
L68[04:32:52] <Mat2ch> ok, 1 hour until launch
L69[04:34:54] <Althego> had to refresh it lol
L70[04:43:34] <Mat2ch> well, if the launch takes really 50 minutes I can take a shower in the meantime ;P
L71[04:43:53] <Mat2ch> .oO( yeah, I'm on holiday already. :P )
L72[04:43:54] <Althego> you can even have a nap :)
L73[04:44:08] <Mat2ch> A nap in the shower doesn't sound safe. ;)
L74[04:44:14] <Althego> not at the same time
L75[04:56:51] <Fluburtur> more batteries
L76[04:59:01] <Althego> more timewarp
L77[04:59:47] <Althego> btw the boeing capsule is already a failure, sending one person up with it is more expensive than a soyuz seat
L78[05:16:59] <Mat2ch> Althego: it is?
L79[05:17:09] <Mat2ch> What about Crew Dragon?
L80[05:17:14] <Althego> i am not sure
L81[05:17:23] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: more batteries means more weight which means less performance
L82[05:17:33] <Althego> probably cheaper, but by not much, because they want to milk it
L83[05:17:36] <Mat2ch> which will drag me down in the add more fuel and power spiral...
L84[05:17:58] <Mat2ch> well, they can at least milk it...
L85[05:44:48] <Mat2ch> So, no onboard cams?
L86[05:45:51] <Mat2ch> and why are there so many people watching and working? If you see the SpaceX facilities, they mostly look empty...
L87[05:45:56] <Althego> theres hould be
L88[05:46:02] <Althego> there is a test dummy and a floatyng snoopy
L89[05:47:12] <Mat2ch> also everything in imperial units. Wow, such future, so modern
L90[06:14:11] <packbart> "orbital insertion delayed" - soooo, it's coming back down?
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L92[06:23:45] <Althego> hehe
L93[06:30:13] <packbart> Everyday Astronaut also thinks it's coming back down. Let's see what the official euphemism is
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L97[06:48:45] <packbart> KSP is still the go-to simulation software for Space Yotubers
L98[06:48:51] <packbart> ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K82CRHDT1wc )
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L101[07:04:09] <packbart> KSP players know that feeling. https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1208006636746330120
L102[07:04:09] <kmath> <DJSnM> Starliner was pointed at 90 degrees to prograde while they were trying to perform insertion. https://t.co/jNrgwQdnB7
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L105[07:16:14] <FLHerne> Even I know that's not how that works
L106[07:21:54] <Eclipser> they haven't played enough ksp
L107[07:23:23] <packbart> seems to have tumbled a bit: https://twitter.com/Mini_Elon/status/1208008983946170369
L108[07:23:23] <kmath> <Mini_Elon> @DJSnM Don't know if this was normal but it looked out to me. https://t.co/vEeNkKAOry
L109[07:24:08] <packbart> so either it's coming back down or it's in orbit but with the wrong inclination and phase to get to the ISS
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L111[07:24:47] <packbart> Boeing clicks "Revert to launch"
L112[07:28:37] <Rolf> ctrl-z
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L120[08:39:38] <packbart> official press conference now. let's see where it's at
L121[08:40:07] <Althego> lnik?
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L123[08:40:32] <Althego> oh the same
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L125[08:59:16] <Fluburtur> I just came back from eating, just in time for the launch
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L129[09:27:24] <Althego> what launch
L130[09:38:07] <Eddi|zuHause> better than coming back from eating, just in time for lunch
L131[09:49:47] <Althego> anyway the launch is so much over that there was a debrief of the failure too
L132[09:50:50] <packbart> don't call it a failure. it was an off-nominal success
L133[09:53:21] <packbart> just some issue with the "Mission Chronometer Augmentation System"
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L136[10:29:20] <UmbralRaptop> lolsob
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L158[12:37:23] <Fluburtur> of course scott was going to make a video on that but it will be more interesting than planned
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L160[12:56:46] <Flayer> oh wow, china is planning on getting a sample from the moon next year
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L162[12:58:01] <Flayer> i really hope the west will include them for lunar base stuff
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L165[13:10:30] <darsie> Does China want to be included?
L166[13:11:48] <Althego> actually nasa is not allowed to cooperate with the chinese. i guess it i the same on the other side too
L167[13:11:57] <darsie> Will China convert to pseudodemocracy to be included? Will China honor human rights? Will USA honor human rights?
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L169[13:14:59] <Althego> they are not going to start with that in a few days
L170[13:15:37] <darsie> We need an alien invasion to unite.
L171[13:17:04] <Flayer> we should just work together as much as possible and let each other alone otherwise
L172[13:17:36] <Althego> ah scott
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L175[13:46:26] <Eddi|zuHause> so, they ran out of dV? that happens to me all the time
L176[13:51:23] <Althego> hehe
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L178[14:21:55] <Flayer> i'm going to have like 200 dv left at a 3600 km orbit
L179[14:22:19] <Althego> that is overengineered :)
L180[14:22:43] <Flayer> def
L181[14:25:20] <Flayer> im putting a bigger lifter underneath it otherwise i can't get back
L182[14:29:59] <Flayer> i like how getting to the mun is easier than an orbit around kerbin lower than the mun
L183[14:30:09] <Flayer> (orbit around the mun)
L184[14:42:13] <Althego> how so?
L185[15:13:56] <raptop> Is this an Oberth thing?
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L187[15:22:05] <Flayer> it may just be incompetence
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L190[15:23:01] <LushPineapple29> i like saying random things just to make sure someone is there so.
L191[15:23:02] <LushPineapple29> test.
L192[15:24:53] * raptop gives LushPineapple29 a D+
L193[15:25:29] <LushPineapple29> huh.
L194[15:25:31] <raptop> (Perhaps the test shouldn't have involved so many Jackson problems)
L195[15:27:05] <LushPineapple29> vibe check
L196[15:27:25] <raptop> vibe slovak
L197[15:27:38] <raptop> Anyway, thoughts on the new SRBs?
L198[15:28:50] <LushPineapple29> If your talking to me, not much.
L199[15:29:19] <LushPineapple29> I think the SRBs are cool.
L200[15:29:24] <LushPineapple29> and thats really all.
L201[15:30:10] * raptop was surprised that the larger ones can carry (tiny) payloads to kerbin escape
L202[15:30:49] <LushPineapple29> huh.
L203[15:33:03] * raptop has sadly had limited time and interest in KSP lately. blame grad school and/or burnout after playing on and off since, er, 2011
L204[15:34:31] <LushPineapple29> this is just my opinion, school is just a place where they eat up your free time and then you just sit in a chair and do work.
L205[15:35:33] <LushPineapple29> depending on how much homework you have, you can have 3 hours of free time
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L207[15:39:31] <kubi> depends on how do you spen the time in school
L208[15:39:50] <kubi> growing like a cabbage or try to squeeze something in
L209[15:41:51] <LushPineapple29> huh.
L210[15:42:41] <raptop> Anyway, research can be fun. If, uh, occasionally involving scary amounts of responsibility
L211[15:43:00] <raptop> (You want me to operate a telescope that costs 3-4 decades of my current salary?)
L212[15:47:35] <LushPineapple29> i built this weird tiny lander in ksp minutes ago.
L213[15:47:56] <raptop> weird in what way?
L214[15:48:14] <LushPineapple29> weird in design
L215[15:49:09] <raptop> Landing on Mk55s, or something?
L216[15:49:54] <LushPineapple29> i'm terrible at communication and new to ksp, i need you to describe that.
L217[15:53:12] <raptop> Uh, probably it would be easiest if you posted pics
L218[15:53:19] <LushPineapple29> huh
L219[15:53:21] <LushPineapple29> i will
L220[15:55:24] <LushPineapple29> https://gyazo.com/0390eb43eb0c987cc927aa609f83688d
L221[16:01:26] <raptop> solar panel blast shield!
L222[16:01:28] <raptop> (or something)
L223[16:02:56] <raptop> How is it on ΔV and instruments?
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L226[16:18:40] <LushPineapple29> back.
L227[16:19:21] <raptop> re
L228[16:19:32] <LushPineapple29> alright so
L229[16:19:36] <LushPineapple29> thats just the lander itself
L230[16:20:49] <LushPineapple29> it can burn for 31 seconds
L231[16:23:53] <raptop> Seems a bit limited, but not sure what that amounts to in m/s
L232[16:24:03] <LushPineapple29> 1022m/s
L233[16:24:28] <LushPineapple29> this is a small lander for a mun
L234[16:24:39] <raptop> Yeah, should be plenty for LMO to surface
L235[16:24:47] <LushPineapple29> yeah
L236[16:24:56] <LushPineapple29> maybe there could be some left to get back into orbit?
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L238[16:25:06] <LushPineapple29> but mun orbit
L239[16:25:21] <LushPineapple29> its impossible to get itself back into kerbin orbit
L240[16:26:24] <LushPineapple29> imma create a little test of setting the lander into muns orbit with hyperedit and then land, and then try to get into mun orbit
L241[16:26:25] <raptop> Probably just barely short for getting back into orbit
L242[16:26:53] <raptop> (ignoring rotation and altitude, a circular orbit around the moon would be ~570 m/s)
L243[16:27:42] <LushPineapple29> i just realized
L244[16:27:47] <LushPineapple29> it can barely hold itself up
L245[16:28:47] <LushPineapple29> alright im conducting the test
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L247[16:31:21] <LushPineapple29> i landed on the mun with 6.47 Oxidizer left and 5.30 Liquid fuel left
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L249[16:31:56] <LushPineapple29> im going to try to head back into orbit
L250[16:32:26] <LushPineapple29> and im out of fuel
L251[16:32:47] <LushPineapple29> that was a weird test
L252[16:32:54] <LushPineapple29> but it worked
L253[16:37:40] <raptop> huh, what's your final ap/pe?
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L255[16:38:47] <LushPineapple29> i reverted to the vab but if your talking about the max height i got around 55,110
L256[16:39:01] <LushPineapple29> i wasn't paying attention and did full throttle
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L259[16:43:10] <raptop> hm
L260[16:43:16] <LushPineapple29> huh
L261[16:43:43] <LushPineapple29> i've sent rovers to duna before but i really never payed attention to the mun
L262[16:44:30] <raptop> hah
L263[16:44:33] <LushPineapple29> i've also done one way trips to duna
L264[16:44:50] <LushPineapple29> which literally means sending kerbals to duna with no way back home
L265[16:45:28] <LushPineapple29> thats also what i like calling banishing kerbals
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L267[16:46:53] <raptop> I guess that's one way to keep Jeb from sneaking into test craft
L268[16:47:13] <LushPineapple29> i have a save with around 20 kerbals stuck on duna
L269[16:47:30] <LushPineapple29> alll they have is a rover with a seat on it
L270[16:47:59] <raptop> Good thing kerbals don't need food. Or water. Or more air than a single large helmet can supply
L271[16:49:34] <LushPineapple29> yeah
L272[16:50:00] <LushPineapple29> Jeb has been stuck in a metal can for around 3 years now
L273[16:50:22] <LushPineapple29> by himself
L274[16:50:28] <LushPineapple29> on a giant red planet
L275[16:50:31] <LushPineapple29> alone
L276[16:50:47] <LushPineapple29> with his radio connection with home cut
L277[16:50:52] <Flayer> aww
L278[16:52:43] <raptop> ow
L279[16:53:59] <LushPineapple29> huh
L280[16:54:59] <LushPineapple29> where should i launch a rocket to
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L282[16:59:57] <Flayer> i'm going to minmus next. one trip, ~3000 science if things go as planned
L283[17:01:23] <raptop> Eve skydiving?
L284[17:01:47] <raptop> ...extreme skydiving. Kerbal disembarks on Gilly, attempts to splashdown in the explodium sea
L285[17:02:24] <LushPineapple29> huh
L286[17:02:31] <LushPineapple29> that works well
L287[17:02:36] <LushPineapple29> Imma try it :D
L288[17:05:49] <raptop> yay
L289[17:07:46] <LushPineapple29> im in eve orbit and about to skydive :D
L290[17:08:31] <LushPineapple29> jeb is now skydiving
L291[17:08:40] <LushPineapple29> i turned on Ignore Max Tempature
L292[17:08:52] <LushPineapple29> so he's gonna not be cooked alive
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L296[17:46:22] <Fluburtur> Dres
L297[18:08:45] <darsie> I sent a command seat to rescue a Kerbal in Mun orbit, but forgot that the Kerbal adds 90 (70?) kg to the craft, reducing dv ...
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L299[18:10:07] <raptop> 93.75 kg I think?
L300[18:10:11] <raptop> Unless it changed again
L301[18:10:18] <darsie> 94 kg
L302[18:10:43] <darsie> Don't have that much precision.
L303[18:10:56] * raptop pokes the ingame displays with a sepratron
L304[18:11:02] <Flayer> i wish there was a bit more of a timer on rescue missions
L305[18:11:07] <darsie> IIRC kerbals don't add mass to capsules.
L306[18:13:51] <LushPineapple29> huh
L307[18:16:24] <raptop> Obviously adding a kerbal to a capsule releases energy equivalent to the 90-odd kilogram mass-defect
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