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L51[09:34:21] <Althego> what, wintergqatan
video on monday?
L52[09:35:40] <Mat2ch> Wat
L53[09:35:42] <Mat2ch> WHAT
L54[09:35:44] <Mat2ch> Link!
L55[09:35:50] <Mat2ch> Got it
L57[09:35:52] <Mat2ch> woah
L58[09:35:52] <kmath> YouTube - Vibraphone
Experiments - Microphone Type
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L60[09:42:36] <Mat2ch> Ah, he had to throw
in this episode, because in last video he was one step further
already...
L61[09:48:25] <Althego> and as usual i get
the latest scot t ivdeo 20 hours later
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L65[10:02:20] <Milford> Heyo
L66[10:02:39] <Deddly> Hi
L67[10:02:39] <Mod9000> Hello, Deddly
L68[10:02:43] <Deddly> You too,
Mod9000
L69[10:02:44] <Althego> hehe
L70[10:02:55] <Milford> Hello everyone! We
are new here.
L71[10:03:03] <Althego> "i am the
architect of my own destruction" - the prince (of
persia)
L72[10:03:08] <Milford> lol
L73[10:03:27] <Deddly> Milford, awesome.
Welcome to the official KSP IRC channel
L74[10:03:32] <Althego> i intentionally
waited because i knew that saying hi automatically prompts a
response
L75[10:03:35] <Milford> Thank you!
L76[10:03:43] <Deddly> Milford, Been
playing for long?
L77[10:04:00] <Milford> Umm not
really
L78[10:04:08] <Milford> We are doing this
for a school project
L79[10:04:12] <Deddly> Nice
L80[10:04:33] <Milford> We suck at the game
tbh
L81[10:04:45] <Milford> We play in sandbox
to make it easier XD
L82[10:04:50] <Deddly> Hehe, who doesn't in
the beginning?
L83[10:05:17] <Deddly> It's one of those
games where even failure is fun
L84[10:05:45] <Althego> with enough
explosions
L85[10:05:51] <UmbralRaptop> Surprise
rescue mission!
L86[10:05:58] <Milford> Yep
L87[10:06:56] <Milford> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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L89[10:08:11] <Deddly> It's usually quite
quiet here in the chat, Milford, but there are always people
online, so if you have any questions at some point, just go ahead
and ask them and wait a few minutes for someone to notice there's
activity in here
L90[10:08:25] <Milford> Ok thanks! :D
L91[10:11:27] <Milford> sooo whats everyone
doing? lol
L92[10:12:09] <Deddly> I'm working, and
also messing with the bot. If anyone's interested, I just taught
mod9000 to link to channel logs when you ask for it
L93[10:12:10] <Mod9000> I keep channel logs
here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
L94[10:12:58] <Milford> coooool
L95[10:13:06] <Althego> since almost always
nothing is happening, not very useful :)
L96[10:13:16] <Deddly> Heh
L97[10:13:25] <Deddly> I use that link all
the time, Althego
L98[10:13:56] <Deddly> If I join and people
are in the middle of a conversation, I can see what it's about
without having to interrupt and ask
L99[10:14:04] <UmbralRaptop> Should we
/topic it?
L100[10:14:06] <Milford> does anyone know
how long it takes for a post to get approved?
L101[10:15:18] <Milford> We are trying to
get 5 posts so we can have a profile picture lol
L102[10:15:19] <Deddly> To trigger it, you
can type "chan log", "channel log"
"chanlog" or "channellog"
L103[10:15:19] <Mod9000> I keep channel
logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
L104[10:15:20] <Mod9000> I keep channel
logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
L105[10:15:21] <Mod9000> I keep channel
logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
L106[10:15:28] <Deddly> I can see a
limitation with that, lol
L107[10:15:51] <Deddly> Milford, I'll have
a look
L108[10:16:00] <Milford> ok thanks
:D
L109[10:16:55] <Deddly> "Milford
Green Bean", is that you?
L110[10:17:08] <Milford> Yes XD
L111[10:23:09] <Milford> Thanks Deddly for
approving our stuff! :D
L112[10:23:22] <Deddly> You're very
welcome :)
L113[10:23:42] <Deddly> Milford, can you
see the PM I sent you (here on the chat)?
L114[10:26:25] <Deddly> UmbralRaptop,
sorry, missed that. Maybe?
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L116[10:38:01] <UmbralRaptop> hm
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L121[10:54:00] <Milford> hey
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L123[10:57:00] <Deddly> Welcome back
Milford
L124[10:59:03] <Milford> thanks!
L125[10:59:40] <Milford> How is your day
so far
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L127[11:00:21] <Milford> whats up
L128[11:00:37] <Deddly> All's good thanks,
just busy and can't chat too much, sorry :)
L129[11:00:47] <Milford> ok
L130[11:00:50] <Milford5> :d
L131[11:00:54] <Milford5> :D
L132[11:01:00] <Milford5> its the 2 of us
now
L133[11:01:01] <Milford> who are you
L134[11:01:03] <Milford> i am you
L135[11:01:06] <Milford> i am me
L136[11:01:09] <Milford> no sir you are
you
L137[11:01:43] <Althego> hehe
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L141[11:03:11] <packbart> I am but a
humble probe core
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L144[11:03:57] *
UmbralRaptop may be having to put most of my time into grad
school
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L146[11:04:21] <Althego> radiation
hardened probe core?
L147[11:04:56] <packbart> Indeed, I'm
playing with Kerbalism right now and apparently the probe cores
have a shielding equivalent of 20mm lead
L148[11:05:03] <UmbralRaptop> hail,
packbart?
L149[11:05:56] <packbart> V'bart
L150[11:06:05] <Althego> hehe
L151[11:06:32] <Althego> the voyagers
still have few years to live
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L153[11:12:42] <Deddly> MilfordGreenBean,
tell us about your project
L154[11:12:55] <Deddly> Learning orbital
mechanics or something?
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L156[11:14:24] <Melford> hey
L157[11:14:59] <Deddly> :)
L158[11:15:11] <Deddly> What's your
project about?
L159[11:15:47] <UmbralRaptop> A revolution
against Tsiolkovsky the Tyrannical?
L160[11:15:50] <Melford> i made a seperate
account since you told us we need a seperate account
L161[11:16:09] <Deddly> Well done
L162[11:16:16] <Althego> lol that
joke
L163[11:16:45] <Melford> what joke
lol
L164[11:17:17] <MilfordGreenBean> lol
Melford
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L166[11:17:40] <MilfordGreenBean> Oh you
were talking about me lol
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L168[11:17:48] <MilfordGreenBean> Our
project was to get to the moon
L169[11:17:53] <MelfordGreenBean> we
failed
L170[11:17:59] <MilfordGreenBean> we
havent played before so its kinda difficult
L171[11:18:10] <MilfordGreenBean> we are
working together
L172[11:18:19] <Deddly> Well that's really
cool. How far did you get?
L173[11:18:22] <MilfordGreenBean>
ummm
L174[11:18:24] <Althego> in the beginning
when you dont know what you are doing, it is still hard to get to
the moon
L175[11:18:27] <MelfordGreenBean> we only
got to orbit
L176[11:18:28] <MilfordGreenBean> the suns
orbit
L177[11:18:35] <MilfordGreenBean>
yeahhhh
L178[11:18:38] <MelfordGreenBean>
lol
L179[11:18:44] <Althego> if you can do
that, you can at least fly by the mun
L180[11:18:46] <Deddly> ONLY yo orbit?
That's the hardest part, well done!
L181[11:18:54] <MelfordGreenBean> oh
ok
L182[11:18:56] <MilfordGreenBean> We made
seperate accounts here bc Deddly told us lol
L183[11:19:02] <MelfordGreenBean> yeah
lol
L184[11:19:05] <MilfordGreenBean>
haha
L185[11:19:20] <MilfordGreenBean> Well we
couldnt figure out how to land on the moon and stuff
L186[11:19:29] <Althego> yes that is the
hard part
L187[11:19:35] <MilfordGreenBean> :D
L188[11:19:40] <Althego> it took me a
large amount of tries
L189[11:19:59] <MelfordGreenBean> we used
the rockets that were already built
L190[11:20:03] <MelfordGreenBean> in
sandbox
L191[11:20:05] <MilfordGreenBean> oh.. we
play in sandbox so its way easier
L192[11:20:20] <MelfordGreenBean> lol we
are noobs
L193[11:20:35] <Althego> you have to
cancel all horizontal speed for a landing
L194[11:20:37] <MilfordGreenBean> It looks
very confusing to even try to build one and we already tried and it
didnt go so well
L195[11:20:43] <MilfordGreenBean>
ohhh
L196[11:20:49] <Deddly> Everyone starts
somewhere, there's no shame in that
L197[11:21:03] <MilfordGreenBean> we
couldnt even find the moon though we were like stuck in the suns
orbit
L198[11:21:17] <MelfordGreenBean> yeah and
then we just had to abort the mission
L199[11:21:24] <MilfordGreenBean>
rip
L200[11:21:28] <UmbralRaptop> Solar (well,
Kerbolar) orbit specifically? Did you go straight up?
L201[11:21:36] <MelfordGreenBean> yeah
prety much
L202[11:21:37] <MilfordGreenBean>
yes
L203[11:21:48] <UmbralRaptop> Ah. Orbiting
is more about going sideways than up
L204[11:21:52] <MelfordGreenBean>
ohhh
L205[11:21:54] <MilfordGreenBean> we
tried
L206[11:21:58] <MelfordGreenBean> and
failed
L207[11:22:14] <MilfordGreenBean> i tried
going sideways a few times and it didnt work lol
L208[11:22:22] <MelfordGreenBean> yeah we
always ran out of fuel
L209[11:22:35] <UmbralRaptop> hrm
L210[11:22:36] <MilfordGreenBean> we didnt
even do a tutorial or anything when we first started playing sooo
yeahhh
L211[11:22:49] <MilfordGreenBean> we
probably should have
L212[11:23:06] <UmbralRaptop> Scott Manley
has good tutorials if you want to do the watching YouTube videos
thing
L213[11:23:11] <Deddly> MilfordGreenBean:
Think about it this way: In real life, when Nasa wanted to go to
the moon, they did it step by step. First make a rocket that can
get to space, then design one that can get to orbit. Then improve
your design. See if you can make a hopper that can take off and
land on Kerbin (Earth), learn to fly it. Finally, put what you have
learned together and design your first successful moon mission
:)
L214[11:23:29] <MilfordGreenBean> Ok i
will check him out
L215[11:23:34] <MelfordGreenBean> yeah
same
L216[11:23:45] <MilfordGreenBean>
wow
L217[11:24:09] <UmbralRaptop> Anyway, a
circular kerbin orbit means moving sideways at ~2300 m/s just above
the atmosphere (70 km altitude), or ~2200 m/s at 100 km
altitude
L218[11:24:10] <MilfordGreenBean> Deddly
you sound like a pro LOL
L219[11:24:18] <MilfordGreenBean>
ohhhhh
L220[11:24:24] <MilfordGreenBean> man we
are stupiddddd
L221[11:24:27] <MelfordGreenBean> i dont
even know what all that stuff means
L222[11:24:34] <MilfordGreenBean>
LOL
L223[11:24:58] <MelfordGreenBean> do yall
think those are our real names
L224[11:25:08] <Deddly> m/s means metres
per second, it's a measurement of speed
L225[11:25:13] <MelfordGreenBean>
ohhhh
L226[11:25:22] <MilfordGreenBean> yeah
melford lol. we gotta go! see yall later! byeee :D
L227[11:25:28] <MelfordGreenBean>
byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
L228[11:25:28] <Deddly> Seeyas
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L233[11:36:36] <packbart> I cheat a bit
and use KER, so I get a readout of the horizontal speed vs the
combined speed displayed by the navball
L234[11:37:56] <packbart> kill horizontal
velocity some 20km above the mun, then switch SAS to surface
retrograde, wait a bit, then burn to brake until near the surface.
the easy and lazy approach to a Mun landing ;)
L235[11:41:14] <Althego> navball is enough
for that. when the vector points up or down there is no horizontal
speed
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L237[11:42:40] <Deddly> May I humbly
suggest killing velocity much closer to the surface? As close as
possible, in fact.
L238[11:43:06] <packbart> True. So I
wouldn't even need KER. In the early career, I always forget to add
the KER chip. and with the ReStock model, it's even bigger
L239[11:46:40] <packbart> Deddly: I picked
20km because that allows some time for errors before crashing into
the surface
L240[11:47:34] <packbart> now that I've
landed several times, I might start closer. or look at doing a good
gravity turn instead of the two-burn landing
L241[11:47:39] <Deddly> packbart, if you
start your burn at the lowest point, you'll end up coming to a stop
just above the surface :)
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L243[11:57:15] <MilfordGreenBean> Heyo
guys! Im back haha
L244[11:57:31] <Althego> wb
L245[11:57:34] <Geonovast> Howdy
Milford
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L247[11:59:37] <Deddly> Hi Milford, bye
Milford
L248[12:01:00] <darsie> hi Milf
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L250[12:01:09] <Mat2ch> packbart: a good
measure I figured out is to go always on tenth of my height fast.
So 20 km up 2000 m/s is fine. 200 m up only 20 m/s.
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L252[12:01:47] <Althego> milf means
something else :)
L253[12:01:54] <darsie> shh :)
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L255[12:04:03] <Deddly> Don't go there
guys, please.
L257[12:04:40] <Deddly> flub is
back!
L258[12:04:42] <packbart> Mat2ch: yeah, I
try to do that too. depends a bit on TWR
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L260[12:05:21] <packbart> with a wide-ish
base, I can even land on most crater walls
L261[12:05:41] <Mat2ch> Deddly: but he is
so quiet lately :/
L262[12:05:53] <Deddly> flub2, poke
L263[12:06:04] <Althego> doesnt talk much
lately
L264[12:06:15] <Mat2ch> he uploaded a
video and didn't even notify us.
L265[12:06:15] <packbart> well, there was
that one time when I moved some bits around on the launcher stage
only to later find out that I moved the landing gear too far
up
L267[12:06:17] <kmath> YouTube - Update
video: Falken, Maker Faire and RC tank
L268[12:06:36] <Althego> who needs landing
gear anyay
L269[12:06:37] <packbart> it did look a
bit silly. the lander parked on its Terrier engine with 4 legs up
in space
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L276[12:25:31] <Deddly> All heil our new
channel minion Geonovast!
L277[12:26:17] <Althego> biological or
synthetic?
L278[12:26:45] <Deddly> This one's either
a real person or a very convincing AI
L279[12:26:54] <Geonovast> I'm a very
convincing AI.
L280[12:27:08] <Deddly> See?
L281[12:28:44] <Deddly> Geonovast, what is
15-48.6?
L282[12:29:10] <Geonovast> 42
L283[12:29:43] *
Deddly waits for universe to be destroyed and replaced with
something even more incomprehensible
L284[12:29:58] <Althego> you yhink it
would be noticable?
L285[12:30:24] <Deddly> Hmm, good
point.
L286[12:31:09] <Geonovast> We're all just
a bunch of rocks in the desert.
L287[12:31:44] <Althego> we are more like
dunes in the desert
L288[12:31:54] <Althego> the matter
changes, but the dune remains
L289[12:32:13] <Deddly> Or like sandworms
in Dune
L290[12:32:24] <Deddly> We devour
everything
L291[12:33:08] <Geonovast> I'm fine with
that.
L292[12:34:10] <Geonovast> I'm already
sick of Halloween.
L293[12:36:40] <Althego> unfortunately
halloween slowly made a beachhead here
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L301[12:56:39] <Deddly> (For
security)
L302[12:57:07] <Deddly> If anyone sees him
online, I'd be overjoyed to op him again :)
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L322[14:56:32] <Deddly> chanlog pls
L323[14:56:32] <Mod9000> I keep channel
logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
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L342[16:59:35] <nugget> hey
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L344[17:03:21] <nugget> how is
everyone!
L345[17:03:49] <sandbox> nobody
knows
L346[17:04:09] <nugget> lol
L347[17:04:31] <nugget> makes sense
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L349[17:07:22] *
UmbralRaptor x_x
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L351[17:08:24] <nugget> hey
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L354[17:09:29] <Lenny> hi
L355[17:09:29] <Mod9000> Hello,
Lenny
L356[17:09:38] <Lenny> how are you
L357[17:10:37] <sandbox> ahoy
L358[17:11:13] <Lenny> everyone keeps
leaving me lol
L359[17:11:34] <sandbox> going to bed
soon
L360[17:11:43] <Lenny> ok
L361[17:12:17] <Lenny> how old r u
L362[17:12:24] <Lenny> sorry that's weird
nevermind lol
L363[17:12:32] <sandbox> 38
L364[17:12:43] <Lenny> oh ok
L365[17:13:45] <Lenny> does anyone here
watch pewdiepie
L366[17:13:55] <sandbox> not
regularly
L367[17:14:03] <Lenny> ok
L368[17:14:06] <Lenny> XD
L369[17:16:09] <Lenny> is @deddly not in
the chat?
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L371[17:17:38] <sandbox> oh well
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L388[18:07:17] <aradapilot> is FAR still
required for decent aerodynamics or does vanilla have it now? (i.e.
better than the old one which just added up drag and lift from
parts)
L389[18:09:09] <UmbralRaptor> Current
(post-1.0) stock is has adequate aerodynamics, though FAR is more
realistic
L390[18:09:54] <aradapilot> i've been
searching around for any info on the current aero model and found
nothing. is there some document/wiki somewhere that explains how it
works?
L391[18:10:05] <aradapilot> like what it
considers
L392[18:12:39] <aradapilot> basically i'd
like to get rid of the performance hit from FAR but I also don't
want it to be super easy mode and lose all benefit of a lot of
craft designs
L393[18:15:03] <packbart> try it ;)
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L397[18:19:06] <UmbralRaptor> yeah,
heating exists, parts can shield each other with respect to drag,
lift and drag are affected by mach number, but there are still
simplifications
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L399[18:28:02] <aradapilot> FAR uses some
sort of voxel logic to get object 'shape' into prograde (airflow)
per frame, i think? looks like a drag cube has 6 precalcualted
values and...i guess it weighted-averages them based on angle off
prograde?
L400[18:29:03] <aradapilot> sounds like
vanilla could still be both fun and challenging though
L401[18:29:09] <UmbralRaptor> Something
like that
L402[18:32:01] <aradapilot> perhaps i
should stop being a far snob (since...long before 1.0) and play
it
L403[18:32:05] <aradapilot> play with
it*
L404[18:33:47] <aradapilot> "As of
version 1.0, all parts generate some lift as well as drag; however
the lift-to-drag ratio is much higher from aerodynamic parts such
as wings, control surfaces, etc. KSP also models drag created as a
consequence of lifting force. "
L405[18:33:56] <aradapilot> that's
good
L406[18:34:14] <aradapilot> can use lift
for things without actual wings
L407[18:34:21] <aradapilot> fun on
atmospheric [re]entry!
L408[18:35:01] <FLHerne> aradapilot:
"I also don't want it to be super easy mode" <- if
anything, stock aero is harder to work with if you know anything
about aerodynamics
L409[18:35:24] <UmbralRaptor> I mean,
stock also has less instrumentation
L410[18:37:08] <aradapilot> aye i don't
expect it to give me stability curves and coefficients anymore,
though trial and error isn't a bad thing here
L411[18:37:20] <FLHerne> In stock, it's
very easy to create two craft that are the same shape but fly
completely differently, because it cares about types of part
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L413[18:37:32] <aradapilot> I definitely
know a lot more about aerodynamics now than I did in 2013 or
whenever I started this :)
L414[18:37:41] <aradapilot> oh boo
L415[18:38:03] <aradapilot> i was hopign
that note about 'all parts...' meant shape matters not type
L416[18:38:08] <aradapilot> in what way
does type matter?
L417[18:38:14] <FLHerne> And for some
craft, the amount of drag calculated by stock is just inexplicably
weird
L418[18:38:39] <FLHerne> I mean, it's
vastly better than the original model, it's not terrible
L419[18:38:47] <aradapilot> i...would love
to see an example of that, if one's available
L420[18:39:09] <packbart> don't let the
payload fairing be the root part. that's a bug, I guess
L421[18:39:27] <packbart> it creates huge
amounts of drag. select a different root part and it's fine
L422[18:41:21] <aradapilot> ha
L423[18:41:22] <aradapilot> weird
L424[18:41:23] <UmbralRaptor> The
pea/onion/pomegranate pods are bad drag wise
L425[18:41:40] <packbart> well, they're
good for reentry, not so much for ascent ;)
L426[18:41:41] <aradapilot> those the
soyuz-y ones?
L427[18:41:43] <UmbralRaptor> Because, uh,
reasons
L428[18:42:04] <UmbralRaptor> aradapilot:
Vostok / Voskhod
L429[18:42:17] <UmbralRaptor> Sadly making
history does not have a Союз analog
L430[18:42:25] *
packbart puts the pomegranate under a payload fairing - makes for a
cheap tourist bus
L431[18:42:32] *
UmbralRaptor needs to add more Russian to my phone
keyboard
L433[18:45:12] <packbart> actually, I
never tried to launch the round pods in reverse, use them as kind
of a nose cone
L434[18:45:43] <aradapilot> thanks
flherne
L435[18:45:51] <packbart> ah, I see,
there's a decoupler in the way
L436[18:45:58] <FLHerne> (detailed
description of how stock aero works, which seems correct as far as
I know, and lists some details I wasn't aware of)
L437[18:48:52] <aradapilot> so for context
my current self-challenge is 'single stage to a laythe island and
back, no parts lost, liquid fuel only, isru allowed but not
pre-placed' and i'm doing well so far but murdering my
frames/physics-time
L438[18:49:44] <FLHerne> aradapilot: Oh,
and not mentioned there because it doesn't exist, stock doesn't
really do supersonic flight at all
L439[18:50:40] <aradapilot> UmbralRaptor
mentioned above that mach number is considered - but maybe not
fully? like no benefits from strakes, area rule, etc?
L440[18:51:01] <FLHerne> So forget about
shock cones or area ruling except to make things look pretty
L441[18:51:28] <aradapilot> shock cone
intake's still the champ at high mach though, right?
L442[18:52:12] <FLHerne> aradapilot:
Sorry, I meant shock cones as in the pressure thing, not the intake
part
L443[18:52:27] <aradapilot> oh yeah
L444[18:52:42] <FLHerne> Intakes and
per-part lift/drag are affected by speed
L445[18:52:56] <FLHerne> But overall craft
shape doesn't matter
L446[18:53:40] <UmbralRaptor> Yeah, no
area rule AFAIK, But more for an overall drag/heating
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L449[19:00:50] <aradapilot> well i wonder
what other mods i've considered essential for years and never
realized vanilla is at least functional now
L450[19:02:07] <aradapilot> realchute?
joint reinforcement? trajectories?
L451[19:02:31] <packbart> KJR
L452[19:03:32] <packbart> and while I do
like my KER HUDs, the dV and orbital info in the flight scene now
displays everything I really need
L453[19:04:37] <aradapilot> man KJR is
still being published and now has two different forks
L454[19:04:52] <aradapilot> the one i have
is 'continued' but there is also 'next' and i guess stock has it
too?
L455[19:06:47] <packbart> I didn't have
much floppiness issues with sane designs. KJR (don't know which
one) doesn't play well with BG robotics parts, either
L458[19:12:24] <aradapilot> one lists nice
features
L459[19:12:28] <aradapilot> the other says
it's good with BG
L460[19:12:30] <aradapilot> sigh
L461[19:13:04] *
UmbralRaptor should figure out how autostrut works
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L463[19:14:21] <FLHerne> aradapilot: Stock
has autostrut and rigid joints now, so either might be less
necessary
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L465[19:19:47] <aradapilot> autostrut has
to be set per part though, right? i never really messed with
it
L466[19:22:42] <aradapilot> " We can
rotate nose-cones 180° and avoid the leading-face drag in favor of
the much lower trailing-face drag. "
L467[19:22:43] <aradapilot> whaaat
L468[19:22:53] <aradapilot> is that some
bug or am i misreading that
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L478[20:02:55] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: So does this mean Starship is a
Spaceplane?
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L480[20:09:19] <Scolar_Visari> The wings
keep getting bigger
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L484[20:27:21] <aradapilot> Scolar_Visari:
ehh, they're more airbrakes and/or control surfaces than wings,
they don't act as airfoils
L485[20:28:51] <aradapilot> they're
perpendicular to airflow during aero maneuvers
L486[20:29:20] <Scolar_Visari> Does it
have wings? If yes, then space plane.
L487[20:29:28] <Scolar_Visari> If I tack
wings on Soyuz? Now spaceplane.
L488[20:29:43] <Scolar_Visari> Wings on
Sputnik. Also space plane.
L489[20:31:06] <aradapilot> "stick
some more bits on it" is the essence of KSP, so, you got me
there
L490[20:32:25] <Scolar_Visari> Good
Heavens though, the R&D is sounding more and more like a mess.
"Accelerating development" does not seem very
positive.
L491[20:35:25] <Scolar_Visari> When
aerospace firms finish something ahead of schedule, they've
probably left out some features, cut a few corners and forgot a few
bugfixes.
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L493[20:42:03] <Scolar_Visari> Very
Kerbal, really.
L494[20:43:47] <Scolar_Visari> "We've
finished this interplanetary vehicle on time and 10% under budget .
. . Unfortunately, we also forgot to install any kind of
entrance.
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L496[21:17:30] <UmbralRaptop> Note to
self: pack welding gear
L497[21:19:12] <JVFoxy> arc welding work
in vacuum you think?
L498[21:20:01] <UmbralRaptop> Well, MIG
should still work
L499[21:21:17] <Scolar_Visari> @JVFoxy
Electron beam welding actually does work.
L500[21:21:43] <JVFoxy> gas shield?
hopefully it wouldn't dissipate on you too fast
L501[21:22:10] <JVFoxy> I know when they
did the truck rims, used something like a sand but without
gravity....
L502[21:22:12] <Scolar_Visari> Cosmonaut
Svetlana Savitskaya even conducted a welding experiment on Mir
during an EVA.
L503[21:22:35] <UmbralRaptop> !
L505[21:22:59] <JVFoxy> oh wait.. the gas
more to keep other bad elements away from the weld site so.. in
vacuum.. long as there's something to help make the plasma
L506[21:23:00] <Scolar_Visari> There was a
previous welding experiment conducted inside a Soyuz habitat
module, but that almost started a fire.
L507[21:23:21] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop The results of the experiment concluded that electron
beam welding was the most viable.
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L509[21:26:57] <UmbralRaptop> hm
L510[21:27:46] *
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atmosphere
L512[21:28:29] <Scolar_Visari> Svetlana's
welding experiment was even depicted in Salyut 7 the movie, but the
depiction was also wrong AND offensive!
L513[21:29:48] <JVFoxy> welding the rims,
the sand was acting like the inert gas... not thermite
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L515[21:30:48] <umaxtu> what about
Friction Stir Welding?
L516[21:31:39] <Scolar_Visari>
@UmbralRaptop Going back a little ways . . . I can only imagine how
much of a pain the wet workshop Skylab would've been.
L517[21:32:03] <Scolar_Visari> "Hey,
I know our EVA experience is minimal, but let's try and make a
former propellant tank into a space station!"
L518[21:32:30] <Scolar_Visari> They had
enough problems with the airlock as it was.
L519[21:32:54] <UmbralRaptop> oh? And
without Matt Damon?
L520[21:33:14] <Scolar_Visari> Matt Damon
had a purpose built habitat!
L521[21:34:00] <UmbralRaptop> And he still
had airlock problems!
L522[21:34:47] <JVFoxy> I still don't get
how tape and plastic was enough to hold back the pressure of a
habitat on mars..
L523[21:37:13] <Scolar_Visari> You know .
. . It *might* work.
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L525[21:39:39] <JVFoxy> just hope nothing
doesn't punch holes in it then
L526[21:40:37] <Scolar_Visari> Thankfully,
the Martian porcupines went extinct during the Amazonian
Epoch.
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L528[21:43:31] <JVFoxy> was thinking more
it was pretty windy there, throwing rocks around. Because.. why
not?
L529[21:46:44] <Scolar_Visari> You
shouldn't get many rocks, really. Most of the stuff thrown around
is very light and particulate.
L530[21:47:28] <Scolar_Visari> I mean, the
only time that happens on Earth is with things like tornadoes and
hurricanes!
L531[21:51:28] <JVFoxy> ya.. I
know..
L532[21:53:08] <UmbralRaptop> And the
density (not pressure) of the Martian atmosphere at datum is what,
2% of earth?
L533[21:53:37] <Scolar_Visari> Less than
1%.
L534[21:53:41] <JVFoxy> 14.7lbs on earth
vs 1% on mars.. hmmm.. I felt a RIB inflated to 3lbs.. that thing
felt pretty solid
L535[21:54:19] *
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L536[21:55:08] <Scolar_Visari> Pluto and
Triton also have even thinner atmospheres but still manage to get
clouds of all things.
L537[21:55:22] <JVFoxy> well..
clouds..
L538[21:56:00] <JVFoxy> entirely different
hing
L539[21:56:42] <Scolar_Visari> The point
being that thin atmospheres are still kinda cool and far removed
from a total vacuum.
L540[21:56:49] *
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atmopshere.
L541[21:59:42] <JVFoxy> ... I already knew
it has atmos... did you know moon has a very thin trace too? More
than it used to since we landed there though...
L542[22:00:08] <Scolar_Visari> Seasonal
atmosphere disorder. It should get that checked out with a mood
light.
L543[22:00:48] <JVFoxy> well, sun will
change things, ya
L544[22:02:16] <JVFoxy> when it comes to
Pluto... sometimes wonder if its a touch denser because of how cold
it is out there.
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L546[22:10:41] <Scolar_Visari> Solar
activated cryovolcanism and stuff, likely. Triton is known to be
similar in this respects.
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L548[22:31:32] <UmbralRaptop> Pluto's
atmosphere is weirdly variable
L549[22:32:37] <UmbralRaptop> Or I suppose
not so weird, given an eccentricity of like 0.25
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L551[22:52:08] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop One of the reasons catching near its perihelion was so
important.
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