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L4[00:32:22] <Supercheese> How long does it usually take CKAN to catch up to a mod update?
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L6[01:16:04] <JVFoxy> waiting for a particular mod or just wondering in general? I sorta wondered myself. Auto updates or does it trigger off every so often on its own?
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L10[01:43:05] <JVFoxy> oop
L11[01:58:26] <Althego> object oriented programming<
L12[01:58:27] <Althego> ?
L13[01:58:46] <JVFoxy> oops..
L14[01:58:49] <JVFoxy> c.c;
L15[01:59:01] <JVFoxy> guess I could have said wb to Suprcheese.. ah well
L16[01:59:27] <Supercheese> was messing with my router settings
L17[01:59:37] <Supercheese> actually I'll have to do so again
L18[01:59:40] <Supercheese> hmm
L19[01:59:54] <JVFoxy> oh.. fun
L20[02:00:40] <Supercheese> Here we go ....
L21[02:01:42] <Supercheese> oh it didn't reboot this time I guess
L22[02:02:31] <Supercheese> well hopefully I was able to stop the damned thing from pinging dns.msftncsi.com every 5 bloody seconds
L23[02:02:38] <Supercheese> talk about aggressive connectivity checks
L24[02:02:51] <JVFoxy> keepalive?
L25[02:03:08] <Supercheese> whatever crappy ASUS firmware calls it
L26[02:03:39] <Supercheese> dns_probe
L27[02:05:04] <JVFoxy> I'm not sure what it is, but I hate when you connected through a router, if your pc doesn't send data through a port after say, a minute or two, router just 'forgets' about you
L28[02:06:49] <Supercheese> ever since I started properly monitoring network traffic I have been consistently horrified
L29[02:06:57] <Althego> hehe
L30[02:07:06] <Supercheese> every device just vomiting out telemetry
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L34[02:14:56] <JVFoxy> oh fun.. digital vomit. Wonder if that was ever an idea in Tron franchise
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L53[05:58:11] <packbart> well, KSP wants to talk to Unity performance counters, too ;)
L54[06:14:19] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure that is buried in the TOS
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L92[11:56:42] <Althego> and spacex is back in business, in about 3 days 9 hours and and 33 minutes
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L95[12:15:54] <Mat2ch> Hopefully this time the weather is good
L96[12:16:10] <JVFoxy> lol... rain here now
L97[12:16:53] <Mat2ch> here, too.
L98[12:17:12] <Mat2ch> I wonder if the younger generation complains how bad it is.
L99[12:17:20] <Mat2ch> This just feels like a summer in the 90s...
L100[12:18:05] <Mat2ch> and I'm a bit glad it's cold and rainy here. Another summer like the one last year and I'd move to on of the poles...
L101[12:18:20] <Althego> hehe
L102[12:18:39] <Althego> i hate the cold here. we barely got up to spring temperatures and it is almos summer now
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L104[12:23:41] <TransitBiker> bwoop
L105[12:25:11] <TransitBiker> mac pro? ambient temp 77F/25C?. cpu 73F/23C
L106[12:29:12] <Althego> as long as your pp bus is g3hot :)
L107[12:29:25] <TransitBiker> pp bus?
L108[12:29:44] <Althego> one of the basic power buses in the mac
L109[12:30:27] <TransitBiker> psu temps are around 120f/50c
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L113[12:43:44] <Eddi|zuHause> Mat2ch: i hear the poles are pretty anti-immigrant these days
L114[12:44:37] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: dunno about "spring temperatures"... one day it's 9°C the next is 23°C
L115[12:48:57] <Althego> hmm, scott 51 minutes ago
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L124[14:39:08] <TransitBiker> whats a good working temp for a xeon 5150?
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L126[14:40:53] <Althego> presumably below 75 deg c
L127[14:42:52] <TransitBiker> so 21c would be good
L128[14:43:08] <Althego> that sounds incorrect measurement
L129[14:43:29] <Althego> unless it has some kind of special cooling
L130[14:43:51] <TransitBiker> cpu core 70F/21C
L131[14:44:13] <flayer> run from what's comfortable
L132[14:44:23] <Althego> maybe when it is off
L133[14:46:12] <UmbralRaptop> That's cooler than a fair number of rooms
L134[14:46:36] <TransitBiker> so the cooling on this computer is good
L135[14:46:44] <Althego> hehe
L136[14:46:51] <Althego> cant cool below ambient
L137[14:46:56] <Althego> in the normal way
L138[14:48:12] <TransitBiker> it has those heat pipes with the kinda foamy looking cross section
L139[14:48:51] <UmbralRaptop> I'm going to assume that the sensor is wrong unless you have a peltier cooler, or are in a <5 C room, or something.
L140[14:49:38] <TransitBiker> nah its accurate
L141[14:50:35] <TransitBiker> the heatsink for each cpu is 3x3x5 inch or so
L142[14:51:25] <flayer> hah
L143[14:51:27] <Althego> tiny
L144[14:51:37] <Althego> oh wait, inch
L145[14:51:55] <Althego> but really these dont matter, you cant make it cooler than room temperature this way
L146[14:52:08] <Althego> in fact i would expect it to be around 20 or more celsius higehr than that
L147[14:52:56] <TransitBiker> 120 mm fan on each side
L148[14:53:12] <TransitBiker> alu coated copper fins
L149[14:55:51] <TransitBiker> https://microdream.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/_/m/_mg_1059.jpg
L150[14:56:41] <TransitBiker> thats the heatsink
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L152[15:00:35] <TransitBiker> times two
L153[15:00:39] <TransitBiker> one or each cpu
L154[15:01:46] <JVFoxy> may as well hook up a car radiator or something. c.c;
L155[15:02:05] <Althego> liquid nitrogen cooling :)
L156[15:02:17] <Althego> helium for the pros :)
L157[15:02:40] <sandbox> didn't someone actually use a car radiator?
L158[15:07:08] <JVFoxy> probably.. or pretty well near it
L159[15:07:08] <JVFoxy> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/c8BoSRzuZkk/maxresdefault.jpg
L160[15:07:29] <JVFoxy> also came across a pic someone using toilet tank water to help with cooling c.c;
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L166[15:44:11] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: well, it was even cooler in the 90s ;P
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L196[18:33:19] <JVFoxy> question: if I had some graphical mods, like the clouds one, would it mess with an already in-progress game?
L197[18:33:52] <JVFoxy> well, more I've been playing, not adding it while its actually running on the computer thing..
L198[18:34:12] <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably fine
L199[18:35:33] <JVFoxy> k... for as much as I've been trying to keep to stock, I wanna do some recording but starting to crave a little extra 'niceties'.
L200[18:36:12] <Eddi|zuHause> the only real problems are when you modify or remove a part that is already used by a mission in flight
L201[18:36:56] <Eddi|zuHause> the next lower issue is when you add certain mods that change the physics, previously successful designs might not work anymore
L202[18:37:29] <JVFoxy> not sure I'm going to add parts.. yet.
L203[18:37:41] <JVFoxy> although KIS.. could pose some problems
L204[18:38:02] * JVFoxy currently making a copy of game.. this'll take a bit
L205[18:39:49] <JVFoxy> I'll run a test later.. don't think I'm ready for KIS anyways. I'd like to use the Surface exerpiments pack/mod but sorta need pilot(to get there) mechanic(to set things up) and scientist(to run things)
L206[18:43:39] <JVFoxy> or... CKAN can just got wonky and say I don't have premission to access it any more. :\
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L210[18:59:36] <JVFoxy> uuf... that was seriously annoying
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L212[19:03:22] <JVFoxy> which gives clouds? Seems the one I'm looking at, astronomer's visual pack isn't compatible.. or won't let me install
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L214[19:15:25] <Eddi|zuHause> CKAN is definitely one of the wonkiest programs i've ever used
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L216[19:23:44] <JVFoxy> also my OS doesn't like playing nice sometimes
L217[19:33:21] <JVFoxy> cross my fingers this works...
L218[19:37:56] <JVFoxy> well.. works, but slow. suppose I picked too high texture :P
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L226[20:19:47] <packbart> JVFoxy: EVE + config gives clouds. I have used https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/151190-16sci-fi-visual-enchancements-v-15-high-performance-alt-to-sve/ in the past but there are other packs
L227[20:20:14] <packbart> my GPU cooling isn't up to the task, though, so I disabled most enhancements
L228[20:26:29] <JVFoxy> packbart oop.. sorry taking so long. Found out something I did made game slow pretty badly..
L229[20:29:00] <JVFoxy> I have EvE.. but config?
L230[20:29:13] <JVFoxy> turns out there are some other dependancies...
L231[20:31:49] <JVFoxy> ya... scatterer and EVE really chewing out my game speed it seems
L232[20:34:29] <packbart> Scatterer probably more than EVE
L233[20:35:09] <packbart> I wish I knew how to run KSP in a profiler thingy so I could see how much time it spends in each mod
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L235[20:37:15] <JVFoxy> you just had Eve?
L236[20:37:20] <JVFoxy> not sure I get this cfg thing
L237[20:37:45] <JVFoxy> I looked into scatterer, seems its not compatible with current ksp.. or even 1.7. so maybe thats whats messing things
L238[20:40:27] <packbart> I had EVE + the SciFi Visual Enhancements textures and configs. gives Minmus some nice colored dust
L239[20:40:51] <JVFoxy> had astronomor's visual pack... just ripped out out again
L240[20:41:02] <JVFoxy> along with scatterer
L241[20:41:41] <JVFoxy> ok nope...
L242[20:45:52] <packbart> and one day I'll figure out how to use Kopernicus' "debris field". that might be a way to put fishies into the oceans. let Kopernicus materialise fish meshes "orbiting" near the active vessel, from center to sea level
L243[20:46:12] <JVFoxy> hmm... first I thought you could just get clouds.. but it also has some ground texture alla like an old version of flight sim.. egh
L244[20:47:59] <packbart> that's probably configurable. everything is
L245[20:50:04] <JVFoxy> you mentioned cfg....
L246[20:50:21] <JVFoxy> not exactly sure where to find? Or is that already built into the AVP zip?
L247[20:55:50] <packbart> well, I downloaded the ZIP from https://www.dropbox.com/s/zr7e0gwpesctzho/SiFiVE-1.5.zip?dl=1 and there's a directory SciFiVE-1.5/GameData/ScifiVisualEnchancements_Dust/ in there with a .cfg file for EVE and textures
L248[20:57:08] <packbart> I meant SciFiVE-1.5/GameData/ScifiVisualEnchancements_Clouds/, not _Dust/. D'oh
L249[20:57:45] <JVFoxy> whoops.. I whiped out terrain texture.. everything's white now
L250[21:00:26] <JVFoxy> ok now not sure how to revert it
L251[21:02:36] <packbart> maybe some texture file not in the expected location? the log might help
L252[21:03:01] <JVFoxy> alt+f4.. restart, its back
L253[21:03:23] <packbart> you need to put the files exactly where the modder intended them to be or it won't work. texture paths are all relative to the GameData directory
L254[21:04:34] <JVFoxy> zip files just has a gamedata folder
L255[21:05:28] <JVFoxy> I mostly wanted to remove the city texture and lights that came with AVP/EVE
L256[21:05:54] <JVFoxy> scatterer would have been nice but some reason it causes the game to choke on it badly
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L258[21:15:59] <JVFoxy> uff.. ok need a break from messing with things
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