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L6[01:31:54] <Guest96751> hello nibbers
L7[01:32:06] <darsie> .
L8[01:32:27] <Guest96751> ok im gonna leave
L9[01:32:41] <darsie> .
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L11[01:37:58] <Althego> hehe
L12[01:39:43] <darsie> What are nibbers?
L13[01:42:15] <Althego> cant write that here
L14[01:42:22] <Althego> but look it up in urban dictionary
L15[01:42:24] <darsie> k
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L25[04:10:56] <Black_Eagle> At first I was excited. Now, not so much. 15e for a few special parts and science experiments?
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L27[04:15:18] <Mat2ch> .oO( First I was afraid, I was petrified, ... sorry ;)
L28[04:15:22] <Mat2ch> Black_Eagle: same for me.
L29[04:15:32] <Mat2ch> Too expensive for things we had already in mods
L30[04:15:47] <Mat2ch> and which died, because there's no longer enough interest in KSP to support them
L31[04:15:59] <Mat2ch> I love KSP, but the management sometimes...
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L33[04:16:43] <Black_Eagle> Someone mentioned "the split" in the comments. I presume this will be an actual thing; players who don't think it's worth and the rest who just don't care and get it anyway.
L34[04:18:45] <Black_Eagle> I can imagine the troubleshooting conversations. That happened with Skyrim: Dawnguard DLC had so much important content that modders stopped supporting vanilla Skyrim.
L35[04:20:21] <Mat2ch> Well, I want to play with the robotics stuff
L36[04:20:24] <Mat2ch> would make some things easier
L37[04:20:29] <Mat2ch> some? Many!
L38[04:20:48] <Mat2ch> But on the other hand, 15 EUR? Sorry, have to wait for a sale in two years or so
L39[04:21:05] <Black_Eagle> So do I. Out of principle I won't be buying it. I will also not mod KSP for personal reasons. This probably means I'll keep bitching about things that are not included in vanilla KSP...
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L41[04:25:40] <packbart> well, "shouldhavebeenstock" seems to be a running gag through KSP forums
L42[04:26:24] <packbart> otoh, KSP stock needs to appeal to a larger audience than difficulty-enhancing mods
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L45[05:09:17] <Eddi|zuHause> this seems like a maintenance nightmare waiting to happen
L46[05:10:23] <Eddi|zuHause> but i do think that robotic parts is something i missed from the game
L47[05:10:56] <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if what they introduce is anything like what i imagined i was missing...
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L49[05:15:58] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: thanks to Unity and the old Mono version in it it has to be a nightmare already...
L50[05:16:40] <Mat2ch> also never forget that the initial devs weren't that experienced. Chosing Unity for such a project was a decision I'd never made
L51[05:16:55] <Eddi|zuHause> the maintenance nightmare is about having these parts that may or may not be enabled, which will eventually not be orthogonal enough...
L52[05:17:07] <Eddi|zuHause> the DLCs i mean
L53[05:17:33] <Eddi|zuHause> with more and more DLCs coming, the combinations grow exponentially
L54[05:18:03] <Mat2ch> There's a time in software development when you got to chose between: Throw everything away and start from scratch or do a complete overhaul. And KSP passed that point a few years ago ;P
L55[05:18:23] * Mat2ch is working on such a project right now
L56[05:18:37] <Eddi|zuHause> that's why games go to a version 2.0...
L57[05:18:37] <Mat2ch> and we're trying to get the customer to make the decision to throw (almost) everythin away...
L58[05:19:14] <Mat2ch> Unreal Engine, but no epic exclusive, nicer graphics, computation done in C/C++, etc...
L59[05:19:25] <Mat2ch> Good graphics+speed
L60[05:19:32] <Eddi|zuHause> i've also worked on a project where things were barely holding together, let alone doing what they were supposed to do, but nobody had the balls to say "cut it, we start over"
L61[05:19:45] <Mat2ch> Simple Rockets 2 can handle > 1000 parts without lags and even on crashes it's not that bad
L62[05:20:01] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: there's a name for it... uhm, wait
L63[05:20:04] <packbart> a version 2.0 also usually means a new product to sell. which isn't bad
L64[05:20:11] * packbart bought Portal 2 and Portal
L65[05:21:00] <packbart> so I would expect a potential KSP 2 to be a completely different thing than KSP 1
L66[05:21:22] <Eddi|zuHause> well, there's a difference between internal versions and marketing versions
L67[05:26:49] <Mat2ch> Sunk cost fallacy! That's what I was looking for.
L68[05:27:54] <Mat2ch> You can tell some people that it's going to be cheaper to throw everything away, instead of fixing all the little things and they still want you to fix it
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L74[06:46:32] <Eddi|zuHause> bah, i lost a slave rebellion, even though i had troops nearby... should have immediately ordered more :/
L75[06:47:29] <Eddi|zuHause> who would have thought that these people don't like being kept as cattle and harvested for food?
L76[06:47:52] <Eddi|zuHause> these individualists are so difficult to understand
L77[07:01:42] <UmbralRaptop> https://twitter.com/NovaSilisko/status/1125980444040757248
L78[07:01:42] <kmath> <NovaSilisko> Apparently AT-- Orb-- Northrop Grumman offers literally the Hammer SRB from KSP for sale https://t.co/8BxHvMvQfS
L79[07:02:29] <JVFoxy> ....
L80[07:03:02] <JVFoxy> sometimes I think KSP's SRBs are a little too 'thicc'...
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L83[07:13:48] <lordcirth> JVFoxy, how so? You want 0.625m ones? They exist
L84[07:15:03] <JVFoxy> lordcirth mods right?
L85[07:15:46] <lordcirth> Of course. Several different mods have it. Restock+ is best, because it adds lots of other stuff.
L86[07:16:26] <JVFoxy> was something I tried a long time ago.. some reason it kept glitching.. didn't work very well.
L87[07:17:14] <lordcirth> Restock?
L88[07:17:30] <lordcirth> Restock only got a stable release pretty recently
L89[07:17:31] <JVFoxy> I don't recall exact mod though.. I stuck six of the smaller SRB boosters on.. it either glitch and blew up on the pad before I could do anything, or that infinate drag bug that pulled stages really hard into the core
L90[07:17:55] <JVFoxy> don't know.. some years back.
L91[07:18:33] <lordcirth> Well, mods and KSP stability have come a long way, try Restock and Restock+
L92[07:21:56] <JVFoxy> infinite drag bug was a stock thing too... usually when you stagged boosters while going fast down low..
L93[07:24:41] <JVFoxy> it may have been an old FASA/NASA mod I had..
L94[07:25:41] <Eddi|zuHause> this "AT-- Orb--" is some sort of inside joke?
L95[07:27:10] <lordcirth> Not sure what that is
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L108[09:39:53] <JVFoxy> Trying to figure out a name for a rocket and spacecraft system...
L109[09:40:10] <JVFoxy> Started looking up words, translated to other languages...
L110[09:40:15] <JVFoxy> come across: Ontdekkingsreiziger
L111[09:40:31] <Althego> lol
L112[09:40:47] <JVFoxy> I.. eh.. ya.. -confused- Dutch for 'Explorer'
L113[09:41:23] <Althego> just call itt eyjafjallajökull, rolls off the tongue :)
L114[09:42:21] * JVFoxy throws into into google translate.. -uh.. detects it as english. 'no.....?'
L115[09:43:00] <Althego> tha is the name of the volcano in icelanad that a few years ago stopped european flights because of the ash
L116[09:43:08] <Althego> so i had time to practice it :)
L117[09:44:03] <JVFoxy> no.. a name, no wonder it had hard time figuring it out
L118[09:44:20] <darsie> I'm sure it means something.
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L120[09:44:30] <Althego> it does
L121[09:44:38] <Althego> i know that eyja in icelandic is island
L122[09:44:40] <JVFoxy> speaking of Icelandic: landkönnuður
L123[09:45:13] <Althego> from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f88UJyCA__M
L124[09:45:13] <kmath> YouTube - The Hardest Karaoke Song in the World
L125[09:45:26] <JVFoxy> ... can't say I've seen ð before
L126[09:45:44] <JVFoxy> lol
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L128[09:49:32] <JVFoxy> uff.. finish for 'explorer' not much better...
L129[09:49:43] <JVFoxy> tutkimusmatkailija
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L131[09:58:27] <JVFoxy> Ah.. German.. Erforscher
L132[09:59:00] <JVFoxy> Eh.. I have hard time making up simple names... at times
L133[10:00:32] <Althego> simple, call itt 00000000, the next one 00000001...
L134[10:00:37] <Eddi|zuHause> <Althego> just call itt eyjafjallajökull, rolls off the tongue :) <-- i think you missed a few umlauts in that
L135[10:00:59] <Althego> no i didnt
L136[10:01:36] <Althego> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyjafjallaj%C3%B6kull
L137[10:01:38] <Eddi|zuHause> also, how long ago was that?
L138[10:01:50] <Althego> 2010
L139[10:03:10] <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's also possible my mind wants to put some umlauts in to make sense of it phonetically
L140[10:04:02] <Eddi|zuHause> also interesting that "ll" seems to make a "tl" sound
L141[10:04:03] <JVFoxy> wasn't there another eruption recently that caused flight disruptions?
L142[10:04:26] <Eddi|zuHause> JVFoxy: in indonesia?
L143[10:06:40] <Althego> btw wintergatan
L144[10:06:50] <Althego> but i am still watching latest flat earth research :)
L145[10:07:37] <packbart> JVFoxy: I'd use "Entdecker" rather than "Erforscher", even though google translates that back to "discoverer"
L146[10:08:03] <Althego> hehe i felt that there was something wrong with erforscher
L147[10:08:20] <JVFoxy> ah.. one in chile back 2011
L148[10:08:22] <Althego> but i am too bad with german to know what
L149[10:08:31] <Althego> maybe it is more like researcher instead oif discoverer
L150[10:08:34] <Althego> or explorer
L151[10:08:53] <JVFoxy> I was looking for something with explorer
L152[10:09:00] <packbart> Weltenbummler <-> Globetrotter
L153[10:09:41] <JVFoxy> google gave me: Forscher but I went with Erforscher as it said Explorer, Researcher, Investigator
L154[10:11:57] <Eddi|zuHause> <JVFoxy> come across: Ontdekkingsreiziger <-- this also contains "Entdecker"
L155[10:12:40] <JVFoxy> I was more making fun of the long word..
L156[10:13:25] <JVFoxy> I like interesting names, just not a mouthful
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L158[10:14:05] <Eddi|zuHause> just cut it in half and take the nearest actual word :p
L159[10:14:31] <Althego> continue with a process like this until you end up with one character
L160[10:14:57] <packbart> well, the Ontdek class is a nice series of explorer vessels
L161[10:14:59] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG62zay3kck
L162[10:15:00] <kmath> YouTube - Rhabarberbarbara
L163[10:15:05] <Althego> just because of long words
L164[10:15:18] <Eddi|zuHause> "Ontdekking" seems to mean "Discovery"
L165[10:16:22] <JVFoxy> if I knew how to read the Cyrillic alphabet.. I'd probably use those letters for russian words..
L166[10:16:33] <Althego> relatively easy
L167[10:16:36] <JVFoxy> greek alphabet would be interesting, though I only know a few letters
L168[10:16:39] <Althego> but i havent masterred it yet
L169[10:16:41] <Eddi|zuHause> cyrillic is really not hard
L170[10:16:55] <Althego> come on you have to know most of the greek anyway, jsut because all the science symbols
L171[10:17:39] <JVFoxy> I come across them before.. don't have it /all/ memorized...
L172[10:17:58] <Eddi|zuHause> though russians tend to not use words like "discovery" for these type of things, but rather "peace", "friendship", ...
L173[10:18:00] <JVFoxy> do have a book on learning greek but not sure where it went off to when I moved/cleaned things up.
L174[10:18:22] <JVFoxy> ... Mir... Mir 2...
L175[10:19:06] <Eddi|zuHause> (like the drushba pipeline)
L176[10:19:38] <JVFoxy> sorry, was reading up on stuff on ISS... Expedition 1 crew wanted to go with callsign Alpha. Some Russian took offense, since they saw Mir as alpha
L177[10:23:08] <Eddi|zuHause> also, "sojus" means something like "union"
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L179[10:31:38] <Althego> so he is making the drums now
L180[10:31:49] <Althego> or rather the sound of them
L181[10:32:07] <Eddi|zuHause> the sound of drums?
L182[10:33:50] <Althego> in a previous episode he made some of the drums but now there is some sound
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L184[10:46:16] <JVFoxy> new video from Kevin.. ISS Episode 4 - Zvezda
L185[10:46:24] <JVFoxy> proton rocket launching Zvezda had a Pizza Hut logo on the side
L186[10:46:53] <Althego> hehe, why on the inside
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L189[10:51:32] <kubi> hmm
L190[10:51:38] <kubi> yet another dlc
L191[10:51:51] <umaxtu> yet another? this is the second one
L192[10:52:01] <kubi> so, yet another
L193[10:52:11] <Althego> actually third
L194[10:52:28] <umaxtu> ?
L195[10:52:33] <Althego> because there was one that had the asteroid hunter teledocpe thing, and it was later integrated into the game
L196[10:52:41] <umaxtu> oh right
L197[10:53:09] <kubi> I'm just corious
L198[10:53:32] <kubi> how far there new stuff are from the mods that were implementing the same?
L199[10:54:01] <umaxtu> IR has always been a bugfest everytime I've tried to use it
L200[10:54:37] <kubi> it was working fine for me
L201[10:54:49] <kubi> I was not a heavy user, but was OK
L202[10:58:01] <JVFoxy> umaxtu IR has known issues.. depends on what you trying to do
L203[10:58:40] <JVFoxy> I messed with it a little.. but had a hard time trying to integrate a little rover onto a rocket.. the build 'tree' system is... frustrating at times
L204[10:59:30] <JVFoxy> more so when you want to have two or more separate crafts built into the main one. Or at least.. not figure out how
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L206[11:11:54] <Eddi|zuHause> it became easier for me once i figured out how the reroot tool works
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L209[11:27:18] <JVFoxy> aw... yay for being done in Lego: https://ideascdn.lego.com/community/lego_ci/projects/d06/1bd/4496497-o_1bjhdcjlt2k3109q8p6fmp1tbnr-cUR-MHJFmkQGgg-thumbnail-full.jpg
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L215[11:44:19] <Althego> why does elon speak about lordi on twitter?
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L217[11:52:17] <Mat2ch> Althego: because he named one of his Teslas "Eurovision"
L218[11:52:28] <Althego> hehe
L219[11:59:11] <JVFoxy> Hmmm... 4.16t near Mun habitat.. with current launch vehicle, seems I've a little extra DV to play with and add some extras
L220[11:59:25] <JVFoxy> RCS would be nice I suppose..
L221[12:00:30] <JVFoxy> wants me to dock two things in orbit around Mun, another is a spacewalk. Another for a landing though I suppose I could send a lander over to the station later on
L222[12:01:32] <JVFoxy> oh.. science from LKO.. suppose I could stick a sensor on the launch vehicle, make it recoverable
L223[12:23:47] <Althego> just use any of your already running missions
L224[12:23:59] <Althego> you can send anything, typically thermometer or crew report
L225[12:25:37] <JVFoxy> currently.. booster on return path, no sensors. minmus lander has only stuff specific for 3 areas, then its direct landing home. I'm currently designing a little station thing to go out to medium mun orbit.
L226[12:26:46] <Althego> but you always need to go into orbit to go anywhere, so just run this from an other mission
L227[12:26:50] <JVFoxy> i've a crewed craft, akin to Apollo CSM designed and waiting to go out later.. suppose I can snagged some sci while in LKO before going out
L228[12:27:52] <JVFoxy> I haven't named my mun shed thing yet... had to add a little extra fuel to the side boosters. if it leaves me with some left over, I may mod things a little, make it recoverable, add something for when it comes back down..
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L230[12:31:03] <JVFoxy> thoughts on this booster design? https://imgur.com/a/Q0nzmxW
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L232[12:39:49] <Althego> fairing is too big
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L234[12:46:15] <JVFoxy> Althego lol... I could slim it down but not by much. Has to get around the docking ports and hard to judge with they that far from the transition.. ugh.
L235[12:46:37] <Althego> you can sink the docking ports in
L236[12:46:52] <Althego> also change it to smaller one, unless you already have something in space that needs it
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L238[12:47:39] <JVFoxy> 'smaller one' smaller what?
L239[12:48:11] <Althego> that is the medium one, there is a smaller one
L240[12:48:34] <JVFoxy> ah also I figured out why fairing... stupid thing wouldn't let me go narrower from the base.. had a min size, probably because the angle it comes up at with the decoupler thing in the way
L241[12:48:54] <Althego> the fairing has quite a lot of mass, with a rocket i would just skip it, the antenna and the docking port is not much of a drag, you are up at 20 km fast enough
L242[12:49:02] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/575619249113006090/DSC_1261.JPG
L243[12:49:22] <Althego> what is that
L244[12:49:54] <JVFoxy> went with regular sized port, just for realism.. crew vehicle going to it, Mk1-3 with docking port on nose.
L245[12:57:18] <JVFoxy> ok nice... fairings don't get hung up on the base when in clamshell deploy.. at least while on the ground..
L246[13:03:26] <Eddi|zuHause> <Mat2ch> Althego: because he named one of his Teslas "Eurovision" <-- so there were like 60 odd eurovision winners, what makes lordi stand out?
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L248[13:03:44] <Althego> monster costumes?
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L250[13:08:35] <JVFoxy> never heard of Lordi... pretty over the top outfits..
L251[13:10:25] <UmbralRaptop> How often do metal bands win music contests?
L252[13:10:35] <Althego> probably not often
L253[13:11:20] <Althego> https://www.gog.com/game/brutal_legend
L254[13:11:23] <Althego> accidentally
L255[13:11:31] <Althego> 74% off
L256[13:12:12] <sandbox> I thought Lordi would win, but my parents were like Nah
L257[13:12:45] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember what i thought
L258[13:13:03] <Althego> i dont care about eurovision in general
L259[13:13:15] <sandbox> I haven't watched it in years
L260[13:13:23] <Althego> after the fact i thought the song was ok
L261[13:13:35] <Eddi|zuHause> i have watched it a bunch of times
L262[13:13:48] <Eddi|zuHause> my interest goes up and down a bit
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L264[13:14:11] <Eddi|zuHause> there were a few years where i didn't care
L265[13:23:25] <Eddi|zuHause> also, my favourites usually don't win
L266[14:06:09] <JVFoxy> named a basic station: xmara (Ukrainian, said as khmara)
L267[14:06:19] <JVFoxy> 'Cloud'... even though its around the Mun
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L269[14:10:26] <JVFoxy> Would have gone with 'camp'.. but figured I'd save that one for a base station
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L271[14:51:26] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: modern art?
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L283[16:27:14] <packbart> I thought, Lorde was a 45-year-old geologist from Colorado named Randy Marsh
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L300[19:59:06] <Rithaniel> So, I have a question: What is generally considered the "best" Kopernicus planet pack mod? Also, if there is such a planet pack, then is there a particular reason for it being the best?
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