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L20[03:46:04] <Deddly> Does anyone know the
equivalent word for "flotilla" but for aircraft?
L21[03:46:31] <Deddly> Squadron?
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L23[03:57:16] <Gasher[work]> squadron is
like about 12 aircraft?
L24[03:58:11] <Deddly> It is?
L25[03:58:48] <Deddly> You're right.
12-24
L26[03:59:50] <sandbox> I was thinking
wing
L27[04:01:27] <Deddly> It's really weird.
I'm looking at this sentence and it's about what the company
provide. It says "Air navigation services for military
aviation for [word for "flotilla"] or elsewhere in the
airspace."
L28[04:02:46] <Deddly> I'm assuming that
"flotilla" only works for ships, right?
L29[04:05:59] <Deddly> I actually think
they are talking about an air base
L30[04:09:00] <Fluburtur> oh damn,
listening to minecraft soundtrack hits right in the feels
L31[04:19:02] <Deddly> Minecraft does have
excellent atmospheric tracks
L32[04:29:20] <sandbox> yup
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L45[07:03:48] <Eddi|zuHause> minecraft has
more than one track?
L46[07:07:36] <Eddi|zuHause> <Deddly>
I'm assuming that "flotilla" only works for ships, right?
<-- i'm not qualified to judge this, but my observasion is that
a lot of aviation terms were taken from marine terms, so it
wouldn't surprise me if people in that area would understand it
that way
L47[07:07:54] <Deddly> True
L48[07:09:43] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'm not
qualified in at least 3 different dimensions, 1) i'm not native
english, 2) i'm not familiar with aircraft terms and 3) i'm not
familiar with marine terms either
L49[07:10:53] <Eddi|zuHause> and the only
place where i ever heard the word "flotilla" was in some
space game
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L52[07:14:33] <Deddly> :)
L53[07:15:48] <VanD> flotilla is a naval
term, yes
L54[07:16:33] <Gasher[work]> well he was
asking about air fleet so :)
L55[07:16:56] <VanD> as in a formation, or
the general term for a lot of aircraft?
L56[07:17:35] <packbart> "a flock of
wings"
L57[07:17:41] <packbart> scnr :)
L58[07:18:04] <VanD> a flotilla is
specifically a bunch of small ships, not a terribly useful word
:D
L60[07:20:03] <Deddly> Yeah, each with a
specific number of aircraft
L61[07:20:21] <packbart> I see. so a flock
it is then
L62[07:20:29] <Deddly> But the context here
makes me think they were talking about a military air base
L63[07:21:48] <Gasher[work]> like, a
contents of a certain airbase? like, units which currently use it
and operate from it?
L64[07:21:54] <VanD> you can use fleet for
aircraft, but usually that's for all the aircraft in an
organisation
L65[07:23:40] <Gasher[work]> it does not
fit here though
L66[07:25:52] <VanD> sub-sqn levels of
airforce? "flight"?
L67[07:30:08] <Deddly> Yes, Gasher[work],
the organisation occupying and operating from an airbase
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L70[07:36:13] <Rolf> LOL read about flat
earth foolish people
L71[07:36:26] <Rolf> they grouped up and
bought a $20,000 gyro
L72[07:36:40] <Rolf> they thought it would
stay just standing on whatever its set
L73[07:36:53] <Rolf> but it was rotating at
15 degrees a hour. gee I wonder lol
L74[07:37:07] <Rolf> so they decided to
call it error somewhere in gyro setup. yeah :P
L76[07:37:38] <Deddly> Naturally.
L77[07:37:47] <Deddly> That is
precious
L78[07:38:18] <Rolf> indeed ;p;
L79[07:40:14] <Deddly> Haha the video clip
at the bottom of that article
L80[07:40:56] <Rolf> yeah
L81[07:42:27] <Deddly> That makes me want
to see the series
L82[07:48:15] <Deddly> Every flat earther
should do experiments like they are doing. Eventually they'll find
out. The problem with most of them is that they blindly believe
what people spout in their favourite corner of the internet
L83[07:49:07] <Deddly> For all the
"don't believe it unless you see it with your own eyes"
talk, they are surprisingly trusting when it comes to pseudoscience
conducted by
other people
L84[07:49:32] <Rolf> yeah
L85[07:49:44] <Rolf> ironically they think
experts is fakes
L86[07:49:52] <Rolf> so as soon as one of
em becomes a real expert..
L87[07:49:55] <Rolf> fake!!
L88[07:51:48] <Deddly> I'm gonna start a
conspiracy story that the internet is fake. The government
installed some AI software on my computer that makes me think I'm
browsing
L90[07:52:23] <Rolf> omg new discovery, any
group you agree with is faked!
L91[07:52:38] <Deddly> You, even YOU are
fake
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L94[08:40:29] <JVFoxy> huh... nice cargo
plane I made, too bad its got that stupid roll to the side issue.
:\
L96[08:44:23] <Deddly> JVFoxy, you mean the
borked wheel thing?
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L98[08:49:33] <JVFoxy> no...
L99[08:49:50] <JVFoxy> get into the air,
plane wants to roll to one side, as if I was missing a wing part or
control surface.
L100[08:49:58] <JVFoxy> I suspect its the
body lift not mirroring issue again
L101[08:49:59] <Deddly> Ah that
L102[08:50:24] <JVFoxy> though.. when gave
my tail plane daheidral, it started to bank the other way.
L103[08:50:41] <Deddly> It bugs me when
that happens. But sometimes there can be logical explanations
L104[08:51:11] <Deddly> Sometimes, it can
be due to flex in the joints, which autostruts can alleviate
L105[08:52:04] <JVFoxy> ok ya.. its bad,
one notch trim right roll, it keeps it level but ... slowly will
still bank
L106[08:52:19] <Deddly> Pic?
L107[08:53:01] <JVFoxy> sec
L109[08:54:23] <JVFoxy> don't see the
36ton full fuel tank inside... seems to fly better with nothing..
maybe it is straining a little
L110[08:54:57] <JVFoxy> I hate mounting
engines on the wing.. they actually connected to body, just shifted
way out
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L113[08:56:48] <Deddly> Does it roll with
the engines off?
L114[08:56:56] <Deddly> In other words, in
a glide?
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L116[08:57:37] <JVFoxy> it
shouldn't...
L117[08:58:27] <Deddly> It's either the
engines twisting or a joint in the wings or tail
L118[08:58:51] <Deddly> The way to find
out is to eliminate one possibility after the other
L119[08:59:02] <JVFoxy> ya I know...
L120[08:59:12] <JVFoxy> trouble is, I see
this same problem in even small craft..
L121[08:59:18] <Deddly> So my
recommendation is to try gliding with the engines off
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L123[08:59:54] <JVFoxy> I did a landing...
a true proper landing, throttle down to 10%, soft glide, soft
landing, mind you no load inside
L124[09:01:37] <Deddly> I would also try
flying it with the rudders removed
L125[09:04:30] <JVFoxy> hmm... well glided
fine..
L126[09:06:19] <JVFoxy> I had done another
jet.. similar design based off BAE regional jets, it was passenger
only, did pretty good actually.
L127[09:06:39] <Deddly> Ah! In that case,
we narrowed it down to torque from the engines. If you autostrut
each one to root or grandparent part, that should fix it
L128[09:08:09] <JVFoxy> way head of
you...
L129[09:08:41] <JVFoxy> engine pylons...
grandparent as well as rigid... though I had also done the
wings
L130[09:09:14] <JVFoxy> still minuscule
bit of yaw but its liveable
L131[09:10:21] <JVFoxy> I sorta avoided
using auto strut and rigid attachments... mostly I guess because I
didn't nkow what they could fix..
L132[09:10:40] <Deddly> Not the pylons,
the engines themselves
L133[09:13:55] <JVFoxy> actually its
ok...
L134[09:14:29] <Deddly> Nice
L135[09:14:31] <JVFoxy> auto strutting the
pylons, connects things to the cockpit, since they were originally
connected to the body/cargo bay before I moved them out past the
limits
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L137[09:16:13] <JVFoxy> checked with
engines, I think because it connection between tank, pylon, bay..
it ends up doing something weird
L138[09:18:21] <JVFoxy> ok thanks... now
to name it.. I was pondering making this a video but..
distracted.
L139[09:18:36] <Deddly> :)
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L142[09:22:05] <JVFoxy> 36 tons is quite a
bit.. though liquids can be quite dense...
L143[09:22:48] <JVFoxy> not sure if it can
reach the polar areas.. otherwise would make a good cargo plane for
polar research base. The BAE one I did, reaches but not enough fuel
for return
L144[09:23:23] <JVFoxy> also... the polar
station project is in career mode... haven't gotten the parts
unlocked yet
L145[09:31:57] <JVFoxy> Connector a good
name you think/
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L157[10:45:14] <Fluburtur> I feel like the
3d printed mouthpiece I made for my trumpet makes a smoother
sound
L158[10:45:21] <Fluburtur> less high
end
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L161[10:48:35] <Althego> hehe sombra
cosplay as sombra :)
L162[10:51:23] <Fluburtur> I really need
to lower the sensitivity of my microhpone to record the trumpet, im
behind it so I dont really know but it is really loud
L163[10:56:26] <Althego> soyuz ms-12 is
coming up. with the people from the failed one and one more
L164[10:57:43] <Fluburtur> where
L165[10:57:57] <Althego> in 9 days or so
:)
L166[11:13:13] <Fluburtur> well I looked
and I didnt see any bands in my town
L167[11:13:30] <Althego> hairbands?
:)
L168[11:14:12] <Fluburtur> there is no
need for airbands
L169[11:14:16] <Fluburtur>
hairbands*
L170[11:16:24] <Fluburtur> I have a friend
that is pretty good at playing music and can basically pick up any
instrument and somewhat be able to play it well within 20 minutes
but he doesnt like playing in a band and recording, he just wants
to shred all day
L171[11:18:28] <sandbox> can you play an
elastic band?
L173[11:18:46] <Fluburtur> is that a mini
cnc?
L174[11:19:03] <Gasher> looks like 3d
printer
L175[11:19:41] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: 420x300
mm
L176[11:19:52] <Mat2ch> A portable
one
L177[11:19:54] <Althego> hehe looks like
it
L178[11:19:58] <Mat2ch> But enough for
what I need
L179[11:20:01] <Althego> with the cute
emergency butotn
L180[11:20:06] <Mat2ch> (and everything
else is much more expensive ;)
L182[11:20:33] <Fluburtur> like, a week
after I got my bass
L183[11:21:25] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch can you
use german engineering to find me a big laser cutter at a good
price?
L184[11:21:42] <Althego> hehe
L185[11:21:47] <Althego> german
engineering? google is not german
L186[11:23:30] <Mat2ch> I guess you should
look somewhere in China...
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L189[11:25:13] <Mat2ch> well, I still have
problems with this cnc. It took me hours to get it adjusted and it
still has some problems :|
L190[11:25:39] <Mat2ch> well,
tomorrow.
L191[11:26:52] <Mat2ch> and I hate hex
socket screws.
L192[11:26:57] <Mat2ch> I really really
hate them
L193[11:27:16] <Althego> the fasterst
aging screws
L194[11:27:39] <Mat2ch> I should get some
Torx screws, when I have to screw and unscrew the thing more
often...
L195[11:27:47] <Mat2ch> s/when/if
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L197[11:28:02] <Mat2ch> Had to replace one
already, because the socket was to worn out
L198[11:28:04] <Mat2ch> *too
L199[11:40:46] <Fluburtur> I might try to
grab my guitarist and drummer friends and try to record some
music
L200[11:41:32] <Fluburtur> the only issue
is that I absolutely do not know how to write music
L201[11:41:51] <Althego> use a pink noise
generator :)
L202[11:43:33] <Fluburtur> well, I just
need to hand a guitar to my friend and he will come up with
something
L203[11:43:50] <Althego> hehe
L204[11:44:31] <packbart> Fluburtur: what
is a "good price"? $we paid about 14k€ (BRM 90130). won't
cut metal, though
L205[11:45:10] <Fluburtur> I just need a
40 to 60w and at least 40x60cm
L206[11:45:18] <Fluburtur> to cut thin
plywood
L207[11:45:27] <packbart> this one is
90x130cm
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L209[11:50:42] <packbart> Fluburtur:
40x60@80W still costs ~10k€. might as well pay some extra for a
larger table
L210[11:51:06] <Fluburtur> well, will have
to get some funding when I create my company then
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L215[12:22:08] <packbart> the Behind the
Curve documentary is by "Delta-V Productions". must be
fake news!1
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L220[12:23:27] <Althego> hehe
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L224[12:30:30] <senray> I'm looking for
some advice, I haven't had this before IIRC: I've 600dV but I'm
still short about 50dv when taking off from the Mun
L225[12:30:54] <Deddly> Hi senray
L226[12:31:04] <senray> Hi Deddly
L227[12:31:20] <Althego> you can alsways
try to push with the kerbal :)
L228[12:31:28] <senray> lol, true
L229[12:31:36] <hoglahoo> does the 600dv
include that
L230[12:31:38] <senray> I'm more of
wondering why it's taking more dV than expected
L231[12:31:39] *
hoglahoo laughs
L232[12:31:56] <darsie> senray: Do you
take off at the equator or the pole?
L233[12:31:57] <Deddly> 600 is kinda
tight, isn't it?
L234[12:32:16] <Deddly> What's your TWR,
senray?
L235[12:32:25] <Althego> it is really
tight
L236[12:32:26] <darsie> A kerbal (600 m/s)
can juts make it from the equator, not at high latitudes.
L237[12:32:31] <darsie> just*
L238[12:32:46] <senray> definately
tight
L239[12:32:56] <senray> But I figured the
580 on the dV map had some padding in it too
L240[12:33:04] <Althego> dont count on
that
L241[12:33:06] <darsie> senray: Do you
take off at the equator or the pole?
L242[12:33:19] <senray> Pretty much right
on the equater
L243[12:33:26] <darsie> Fly
shallower
L244[12:33:31] <senray> I'm getting the
TWR, KSP is staking a minute
L245[12:33:43] <senray> it's 2.37
L247[12:33:52] <Althego> in fact if you
use a lower orbit you can get somewhat lower numbers than on the
map
L248[12:34:00] <Deddly> Yeah
L249[12:34:08] <Deddly> senray, what's
your flight profile?
L250[12:34:09] <Althego> but there is
always soem human error, so you are better off with a safeety
amrgin
L251[12:34:51] <senray> Up, then 15
degrees, then pitch as needed to keep time to apoapsis steady
L252[12:34:58] <darsie> With a kerbal,
keep going. Don't look back (or at the map) till you're nearly in
orbit.
L253[12:35:12] <Althego> with high twr
just go almost horizontal in a second
L254[12:35:14] <bees> senray: fly as low
as possible, instantly go horizontal
L255[12:35:22] <Deddly> senray, try this:
Turn over to 90 degrees as soon as you're off the ground. Skim the
ground as close as possible
L256[12:35:30] <Althego> real astronaut
did the same
L257[12:35:59] <senray> I'll try
that.
L258[12:36:06] <darsie> take off at 20-30
deg from hte horizon.
L259[12:36:07] <Deddly> Let us know how it
goes :)
L260[12:36:10] <senray> I tried MJ ascent,
that was even worse
L261[12:36:13] <senray> Doing it noe
L262[12:36:36] <darsie> or yes, turn
instanly.
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L264[12:37:30] <senray> Nope, that
sinks
L265[12:37:33] <hoglahoo> why go up at
all? just roll along the ground
L266[12:37:40] <Althego> lol
L267[12:37:47] <senray> Because I'll hit
the ground?
L268[12:37:57] <hoglahoo> oh ok
L269[12:37:59] <Althego> there was one
video with a car jump from minmus to kerbin
L270[12:38:00] <darsie> Well, turn so
you're prograde is as horizontal as possible without hitting
anything.
L271[12:38:03] <hoglahoo> negative
attitude
L272[12:38:06] <darsie> your*
L273[12:38:10] <hoglahoo> thats a pun
btw
L274[12:38:15] <senray> lol
L275[12:38:47] <senray> if this doesn't
work, I'll just ditch the rover
L276[12:38:51] <senray> I hate quicksaving
lol
L277[12:39:19] <Deddly> You can make it,
just keep your prograde marker at the horizon
L278[12:39:24] <Althego> two atoms
talking: i think i lost an electron. are you sure? i am
positive
L279[12:39:49] <darsie> toms*
L280[12:39:54] *
Deddly looks for the "like" button and is disappointed to
remember that IRC doesn't have one
L281[12:40:09] <darsie> There are karma
bots.
L282[12:40:13] <senray> Nope, I hit
terrain
L283[12:40:15] <hoglahoo> lets not
L284[12:40:26] <darsie> senray: You were
too low, then.
L285[12:40:28] <senray> Maybe 2.37 dV is
just too low to be that efficient?
L286[12:40:40] <hoglahoo> darsie aka
sherlock holmes is on the case
L287[12:41:01] <Althego> hehe captain
obvious strikes
L288[12:41:26] <darsie> alternatively,
take off from a high peak.
L289[12:41:26] <senray> Make sense that
2.37 TWR might be too low?
L290[12:41:34] <Deddly> senray, well,
obviously not THAT close to the ground. As close as you can get
without hitting the ground
L291[12:41:35] <bees> 2.37 TWR is more
than enough
L292[12:41:57] <Deddly> Yes 2.37 is
absolutely fine
L293[12:42:03] <hoglahoo> 2.37 dV is
probably too low though
L294[12:42:10] <Deddly> naaaw
L295[12:42:22] <darsie> 2.37 km/s ?
:)
L296[12:42:26] *
hoglahoo whistles
L297[12:42:44] <Deddly> Oh, dV, yes THAT
would be too low ;)
L298[12:42:55] <bees> it would be a good
jump, i guess
L299[12:43:34] <darsie> On Mars we might
jump over our cars rather than going around.
L300[12:44:11] <senray> lol, that was a
typo
L301[12:45:31] <darsie> senray: What are
ya gonna do in Mun orbit?
L302[12:46:30] <senray> Got it!
L303[12:46:35] <darsie> yay :)
L304[12:46:38] <Deddly> \o/
L305[12:46:46] <darsie> How much is
left?
L306[12:47:08] <senray> The mothership has
enough dV to rendezvous with the lander and return to Kerbin
L307[12:47:09] <darsie> How much was it
initially? 600 exactly?
L308[12:47:14] <senray> 604
L309[12:47:17] <senray> Got 5 left
L310[12:47:32] <Althego> hehe overdesigned
:)
L311[12:47:43] <senray> It's a neat set up
I've got, but I'll try to land with more margin next time, at least
700.
L312[12:47:44] <darsie> You know, you can
EVA from the lander, jetpack to orbit and then rendezvous.
L313[12:48:03] <darsie> I had to on
Duna.
L314[12:48:18] <senray> I've got a
reusable/intended to be reusable lander in Munar orbit and a larger
ship that rendezvous with it with fuel
L315[12:48:21] <darsie> In an atmosphere
use Superman attitude.
L316[12:48:37] <Althego> hehe
L317[12:48:41] <Althego> i didnt know that
was a technical term
L318[12:48:41] <darsie> :)
L319[12:48:43] <senray> And I launch that
with a VTVL booster and an expendable 2nd stage
L320[12:49:18] <senray> It normally works
quite well, unless I land with low margin apparently
L321[12:49:22] <darsie> Or in general,
Superman attitude is great, as you can freely choose your attitude
and even burn without changing it.
L322[12:50:12] <darsie> like ,whne you
don't have an equatorial orbit.
L323[12:50:51] <darsie> wasd will right
you, ctrl/shift will not.
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L326[12:54:19] <transitbiker> bwoop
L327[12:54:45] <transitbiker> current
orbital tug depot launch weight: 962 ton
L328[12:55:05] <transitbiker> on-station
weight... upcoming
L329[13:06:42] <transitbiker> my probe
cores are not aligned correctly on the stack, shows north as east
and east as south etc
L330[13:06:58] <transitbiker> how the heck
did that happen (i didnt know that could be a thing?
L331[13:07:17] <packbart> rotated?
L332[13:07:46] <transitbiker> the north
marker is on the bottom of the navball instead of off to the
right
L333[13:08:49] <packbart> or maybe the new
"Control Point: Reversed" (or similar) action in the part
menu. I never tried that
L334[13:09:27] <transitbiker> im in
1.5
L335[13:09:38] <transitbiker> no such menu
option
L336[13:12:01] <transitbiker> and 1.5 is
also insanely laggy when attaching parts, what's that all
about?
L337[13:14:25] <transitbiker> 3 minutes
later, still waiting for game to unfreeze to keep warking on
building craft
L338[13:14:46] <transitbiker> i hope this
is not normal for 1.5, or im reverting to 1.4
L339[13:15:08] <darsie> Got a rover core
on board?
L340[13:15:28] <transitbiker> nope, just
the stack style probe cores
L341[13:15:43] <darsie> select control
from here on another core or even a docking port pointing
prograde.
L342[13:16:14] <transitbiker> tried that
multiple times, it's like the whole thing was rotated at some
point, but i sure as hell didnt do that
L343[13:18:32] <transitbiker> so ksp takes
up 10 gigs of ram huh?
L344[13:18:44] <transitbiker> that's
obscene
L345[13:18:51] <Althego> ah the insight
mole is stuck
L346[13:19:02] <darsie> How far in?
L347[13:19:05] <Althego> but the lander
can do eclipse science
L348[13:19:21] <Althego> i guess with the
camera on the arm
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L350[13:19:37] <Althego> last they
reported it was 35 cm
L351[13:19:54] <darsie> The peak?
L352[13:20:09] <darsie> Or the tail?
L353[13:20:11] <Althego> supposedly it
should be able to go around rocks
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L357[13:32:47] <Althego> so in a few days
the dragon comes back, will it bring back earth and repliey
too?
L358[13:32:51] <Althego> ripley
L359[13:33:15] <Althego> maybe just
ripely
L360[13:43:10] <Althego> what, now there
is a farfarout? i didnt know about that
L361[13:45:55] <hoglahoo> keep up
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L375[14:37:28] <packbart> nice feature. I
noticed that when landing manually, I mostly just look at the KER
readout. Altitude above terrain, vertical speed and vertical
acceleration with SAS on retrograde hold
L376[14:37:28] <transitbiker> bwoop
L377[14:38:12] <transitbiker> gonna launch
this orbital tug depot (tugs included), then install 1.6
L378[14:39:28] <transitbiker> i am
slightly tempted to push the launch mass to 1000+ tons
L379[14:39:49] <transitbiker> only 40 tons
off
L380[14:40:25] <transitbiker> poll:
starting wet mass of your biggest craft?
L382[14:40:42] <transitbiker> ahoy
drac
L383[14:40:56] <Draconiator> AHOY MATEY!
How ye be?
L384[14:41:09] <transitbiker> how goes
it?
L385[14:41:38] <hoglahoo> can't remember,
I'll have to load up ksp and see what I have saved
L386[14:42:01] <transitbiker> i need to
load this up to kerbalx, along with many other craft
L387[14:42:26] <packbart> can't remember
exactly, either. but it was beyond 1kt
L388[14:42:38] <transitbiker> so i
modified 4 of the 12 tugs to allow long distance solo travel
L389[14:42:45] <transitbiker> kind of
excited
L390[14:43:13] <Draconiator> I haven't
been here lately, spending time with other games. but I'm feeling
the KSP bug again.
L391[14:43:20] <hoglahoo> my "venus
heavy" is taking a long time to load into the VAB
L392[14:44:03] <transitbiker> typically i
pair two on heavy stuff, and one on smaller stuff, so i think i
could take one regular one to pair it with the remote one
L393[14:44:59] *
hoglahoo taps foot impatiently
L394[14:47:19] <transitbiker> how many
parts?
L395[14:47:50] <transitbiker> ok, this is
starting to piss me off... why in gods man is the control
orientation 90 degrees off?
L396[14:47:55] <transitbiker> name*
L397[14:48:04] <hoglahoo> 603
L398[14:48:22] <packbart> that is
big
L399[14:48:29] <hoglahoo> I've loaded some
with twice as many parts so not sure why this is struggling
L400[14:48:34] <transitbiker> i have 692
hehe.. i could be like "700 parts, 1000 tons"
L401[14:48:37] *
packbart couldn't bear the lag beyond 400 parts or so
L402[14:48:41] <hoglahoo> yeah it's quite
large
L403[14:48:50] <hoglahoo> using big
rockets in RSS
L404[14:49:11] <transitbiker> 6 twin boar
with 3 of those radial liquids each, and a mammoth in core
L405[14:49:16] <transitbiker> all
stock
L406[14:49:53] <hoglahoo> my biggest stock
rocket was built for a moon landing in RSS and failed
spectacularly
L407[14:49:58] <hoglahoo> crumbled on the
pad everytime
L408[14:50:07] <transitbiker> i love
failing almost as much as i love success
L409[14:50:33] <hoglahoo> I feel like I
have a wide range of acceptable failure to success ratios, but
there certainly needs to be both
L410[14:51:13] <hoglahoo> reloaded the
game
L411[14:51:28] <transitbiker> my biggest
sucess is that i have built lifting vehicles that can lift anything
without part clippy explosions and wibbly wobbly flippy floppy
strangeness
L412[14:51:40] <hoglahoo> venus heavy is
really just heavy lifter plus a payload
L413[14:51:45] <hoglahoo> i can try to
load heavy lifter
L414[14:52:04] <hoglahoo> heavy lifter is
97,753.5 tons
L415[14:52:11] <transitbiker> 100% launch
vehicle reliability.... capable of lifting 1500 tons into
orbit
L416[14:52:22] <hoglahoo> nice
L417[14:52:40] <transitbiker> yeah, it's
pretty amazing, actually
L418[14:52:51] <transitbiker> took me a
solid 3 months to perfect
L419[14:52:52] <hoglahoo> thats about as
much as mine puts up, actually, I think
L420[14:53:01] <hoglahoo> based on the two
tankers I have in earth orbit
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L422[14:53:15] <transitbiker> if i want to
put more up, i have to add solids to get it up off the pad
L423[14:53:16] <hoglahoo> pretty sure
doing that with stock parts would drive me nuts
L424[14:53:30] <Draconiator> I'm pretty
good at making planes....so I'm gonna try to get one of my existing
ones to Laythe heh
L425[14:53:49] <transitbiker> once it's
off the pad, i can typically get rid of the solids... mostly just
fuel weight
L426[14:54:24] <transitbiker> but the last
time i had solids on this lifter,,, they were the issue, and the
max mass was like 600 tons
L427[14:54:30] <hoglahoo> it doesn't want
to calculate my venus heavy 3
L428[14:54:32] <transitbiker> so... we
shall see
L429[14:54:37] <transitbiker> hehe
L430[14:56:15] <transitbiker> my actual
space station (manned) has huge electric charge thanks to a massive
power module
L431[14:56:16] <hoglahoo> found another
big one
L432[14:56:27] <hoglahoo> 100,057.6
tons
L433[14:56:34] <hoglahoo> titled
refuel
L434[14:56:39] <transitbiker> let me grab
the screen shot of this one though
L435[14:56:48] <transitbiker> a million
tons?
L436[14:56:53] <hoglahoo> it puts the
saturn s-ic first stage tank into orbit
L437[14:56:57] <hoglahoo> no, 100,000
tons
L438[14:57:02] <transitbiker> oh
L439[14:57:11] <transitbiker> mine is just
1000
L440[14:57:17] <hoglahoo> the tank is 2500
tons
L441[14:57:24] <transitbiker> but you have
rss
L442[14:57:30] <hoglahoo> yeah and using
big parts
L443[14:57:36] <transitbiker> might
calculate things different
L444[14:57:48] <hoglahoo> I dont think it
calculates masses any differently, no
L445[14:57:58] <transitbiker> 1000 tons
stock vanilla is pretty big on the pad
L446[14:58:04] <hoglahoo> yeah it is
L447[14:58:11] <hoglahoo> might see if I
can find my big stock one
L448[14:58:20] <transitbiker> the tug
depot itself is something like 450 tons, though
L449[14:58:25] <hoglahoo> these big ones
I'm listing way overshadow the pad
L450[14:58:29] <hoglahoo> can't see the
pad
L451[14:58:37] <transitbiker> i have yet
to see what the revised depot looks like on orbit
L452[14:58:43] <hoglahoo> I think we need
some screenshots
L453[14:58:46] <transitbiker> heheh you
gotta see this then
L454[14:59:11] <hoglahoo> my big stock
rocket isn't on this save. must search
L455[14:59:54] <hoglahoo> its quite ugly
as well
L456[15:00:01] <hoglahoo> actually i do
have screenshot i think
L458[15:01:03] <hoglahoo> loool
L459[15:01:06] <transitbiker> ;)
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L461[15:01:23] <transitbiker> only reason
it has a fairing is some of the PV panels
L462[15:01:34] <transitbiker> would come
off
L465[15:02:38] <transitbiker> wow
L466[15:02:46] <transitbiker> very
transitbiker
L467[15:02:54] <hoglahoo> very
laborious
L468[15:03:04] <transitbiker> i can
imagine
L470[15:03:16] <transitbiker> why do i
need 115 thousand electric charge? o.o
L471[15:03:21] <hoglahoo> hehe
L472[15:03:27] <hoglahoo> just in case, of
course!
L473[15:04:08] <transitbiker> i dont even
know where it all is ... and that kilbasa in a hotdog bun o.O
L474[15:04:21] <hoglahoo> yes, nice
shape
L475[15:04:55] <transitbiker> the tiny lil
solid fuel is for the nose cone - has a single sepratron to
jettison it
L476[15:06:29] <transitbiker> or, rotating
it once 90 degrees worked.. correct orientation now
L477[15:06:46] <transitbiker> i dunno what
way it rotated though, since it's 4x symmetrical hah
L478[15:07:33] <hoglahoo> ok back to work
for me, distraction overload
L479[15:07:49] <transitbiker> :D
L480[15:18:14] <Draconiator> Need to
switch my monitor from this backup to the new one that just
arrived
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L482[15:18:46] <transitbiker> and i need
to decouple and de-orbit the second stage
L483[15:21:38] <transitbiker> done.. now
lets see the on orbit mass
L484[15:22:07] <transitbiker> only 117
tons HAHA
L485[15:22:17] <transitbiker> but it's not
just LKO
L486[15:22:29] <transitbiker> i can get
kerbin escape
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L493[15:55:48] <Draconiator> New monitor
has a native resolution of 1920x1080
L494[16:05:51] <transitbiker> time travel
dates mhm
L495[16:06:35] <transitbiker> 1080 might
be interesting
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L498[16:32:24] <Fluburtur> I should cook
and try to launch two rockets tomorrow
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L500[16:33:40] <transitbiker> hay
L501[16:33:45] <transitbiker> bwoop
L502[16:34:02] <Fluburtur> hullo
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L511[17:05:15] <ShadowMC2> hello?
L512[17:05:47] <hoglahoo> hi?
L513[17:05:53] <aradapilot> goodbye?
L514[17:05:56] *
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L515[17:05:57] <ShadowMC2> wut
L516[17:05:58] <hoglahoo> who is
this
L517[17:06:06] <ShadowMC2> a person
L518[17:06:11] <ShadowMC2> who needs
help
L519[17:06:16] <ShadowMC2> with a
joystick
L520[17:07:01] <ShadowMC2> so...yeah
L521[17:07:38] <ShadowMC2> ok cya
L522[17:07:44] <Fluburtur> the empty
rocket shoudlnt be more than 100g
L523[17:07:55] <Fluburtur> maybe 160max
loaded with fuel
L524[17:07:58] <ShadowMC2> wut???
L525[17:08:06] <Fluburtur> and should have
a thrust of at least 400g
L526[17:08:09] <Fluburtur> model
rocket
L527[17:09:21] <ShadowMC2> ok cya
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L529[17:10:22] <Fluburtur> well, oneof
those peoples that leave if they dont get an answer within
10s
L530[17:17:33] <Draconiator> heh
L531[17:22:21] <packbart> in my world,
joysticks went out of style even before the CD-ROM
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L533[17:32:46] <hoglahoo> maybe they
thought this was #joystickfreecustomersupport
L534[17:34:36] <packbart> well, I read
somewhere that KSP does support joysticks. analog inputs might even
make for a smooth flight
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L537[17:50:57] <Ezriilc> Joysticks in KSP
are a wonderful thing, especially for horizontally built planes,
but also for squirlly rockets and even for watercraft and
orbital/docking-type manuevers.
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L540[17:52:17] <Ezriilc> OOPS. IRC client
update.
L541[17:55:27] <Draconiator> um rofl, On
the way out of Kerbin SOI, I've sometimes hit the Mun's SOI, but
this time my Jool burn has me smacking right into it. I think
L542[17:56:08] <Draconiator> nope, a miss
by 324km
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L544[17:59:24] <Draconiator> I still get a
Jool encounter though.
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L546[18:08:51] <Draconiator> And
potentially a gigantic fuel savings to via direct insertion to
Laythe.
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L553[19:26:16] <Eddi|zuHause> a mun
encounter sounds like a good way to save fuel if used right
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L555[19:30:11] <hoglahoo> its a marginal
way to save fuel
L556[19:31:06] <TensorRaptop> ^
L557[19:31:34] <TensorRaptop> For a
hohmann to Jool in particular, it's marginal
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L570[21:58:54] <taniwha> at best, a Mun
encounter can help a little with plane-change shenanigans
L571[21:59:22] <taniwha> at worst, it
makes setting up the Jool encounter from LKO much more fiddly
L572[22:01:45] <taniwha> orbital mechanics
is inherently chaotic, so every encounter along a trajectory
increases the chaos
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L585[23:32:02] <transitbiker> hmm
L586[23:33:10] <transitbiker> i am going
to have to design at least two tugs around te klaw
L587[23:48:02] <transitbiker> some of the
crew compartments can be ejected, and they have the smaller docking
port on one end, but no dicking port on the inboard end
L588[23:48:13] <transitbiker> docking*
heh
L589[23:48:15] <transitbiker> oops