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L6[00:34:13] <kmath> YouTube - Scientist
Suggests 'Oumuamua May Be A Lot More Incredible Than a Solar
Sail
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L22[02:02:54] <taniwha> I'm not going to
worry until one of those does a flying kick
L23[02:09:53] <Althego> damn these npcs,
they mine the belts faster than all the players combined
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L25[02:13:49] <taniwha> interesting idea
for oumuamua
L26[02:14:05] <taniwha> very plausible, but
a great way for aliens to disguise a probe ;)
L27[02:14:17] <Althego> hehe
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L32[02:36:45] <Mat2ch> Uh, I have to set an
alarm for tomorrow so I get up for the launch!
L33[02:37:23] <Gasher[work]> well
tomorrow's saturday so if i don't set up my alarm i'd get up just
in time for lunch :)
L34[02:40:44] <Mat2ch> I can't sleep long
anymore :(
L35[02:41:04] <Mat2ch> I wanted to get a
good long sleep tonight, but woke up at 5:30 :/
L36[02:48:10] <Althego> hehe i dont, just
in time for me
L37[02:48:20] <Althego> probably eating
breakfast
L38[02:57:25] <Mat2ch> Uh and Model 3 for
35k USD
L39[02:57:52] <Mat2ch> Which means that
today in all German car companies the management will think about
resigning
L40[02:58:01] <Mat2ch> or are running
around like headless chicken
L41[02:58:21] <Mat2ch> or still think that
they can catch up and don't want to see the reality
L42[02:59:54] <Althego> have to face it,
internal combustion engine cars started to die when tesla
appeared
L43[03:00:37] <Mat2ch> I talked to the
chief designer for the i3 once
L44[03:00:50] <Mat2ch> I wanted to cry,
because he ignored the reality
L45[03:01:00] <Mat2ch> even when told, he
defended it
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L47[03:02:04] <Althego> in a few years
batteries can be good enough to have the same range
L48[03:02:29] <Althego> now couple better
torque,easier maintenance, less polution
L49[03:06:49] <Mat2ch> They will have the
same range, soon
L50[03:06:59] <Mat2ch> just wait what Tesla
and Maxwell will do together
L51[03:07:23] <Mat2ch> I bet we'll see 150
kWh accu packs soon
L52[03:08:00] <Althego> if the coveted
solid state batteries make it to market, end of fuel era
L53[03:08:34] <Althego> ok, lot of fuel is
burnt by airplanes, no replacement there except for small
craft
L54[03:08:47] <Mat2ch> well, most of the
flights are short distance hops
L55[03:09:02] <Mat2ch> we only would need
fuel for long distance flights
L56[03:09:38] <Mat2ch> with a bit of
intelligent controlling we could reduce this very much
L57[03:10:06] <Mat2ch> yes you would maybe
have to change planes or the plane would do more stops, but it'd be
much much cheaper
L58[03:10:34] <Mat2ch> also cargo ships
have a huge impact. This will be harder.
L59[03:11:01] <Althego> and they burn the
worst fuel too
L60[03:11:24] <Mat2ch> jep
L61[03:11:32] <Mat2ch> maybe they can be
run on bio gas
L62[03:11:38] <Mat2ch> or even
hydrogen
L63[03:11:44] <Althego> technically we
could go back to sailing, just with computer controlled vertical
wings
L64[03:11:52] <Mat2ch> but it's easier to
create methane from hydrogen and CO2
L66[03:12:26] <Althego> nice
L67[03:12:40] <Mat2ch> No sheet to control
them
L68[03:13:03] <Mat2ch> they're pushing you
forward and put themselfs always in the right position
L69[03:14:01] <kubi> nice
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L71[03:14:55] <kubi> however on sea salt
will build up and starts to scratch the material
L72[03:15:54] <kubi> but I'm waiting for
the real first world problems when people start to complain that
ryanair did not let my sails in to the cabin (and I was cheap to
pay for a suitcase)
L73[03:16:20] <Althego> lol
L74[03:17:27] <Mat2ch> Sounds like a real
scandal. :D
L75[03:20:21] <kubi> there were some nice,
column shaped sails
L76[03:20:34] <kubi> would be interesting
to combine
L77[03:27:27] <Mat2ch> column shaped? Do
you have a picture?
L78[03:27:36] <Mat2ch> And why didn't you
just mail them?
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L84[04:16:11] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Althego> what have we done?! an artificial flat earther
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV-92Bq96Co <--
well, that's also the case for the "real world". for most
people, it makes no difference whether the earth is flat or
curved.
L85[04:17:11] <Deddly> I really, really
don't want to click on that
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L87[04:20:50] <Eddi|zuHause> Deddly: this
is what "framing" does to your brain
L88[04:21:16] <Eddi|zuHause> you would
approach that link very differently if it said "this robod can
go up stairs"
L89[04:21:24] <Eddi|zuHause> *robot
L90[04:21:48] <Deddly> Absolutely.
L91[04:21:54] <Althego> i waould have
watched anyway
L92[04:22:04] <Althego> i was always very
interested in legged robotsd
L93[04:22:21] <Deddly> But stairs are a
myth. Everyone knows stairs are unnecessary on a 2D earth
L94[04:22:28] <Althego> hehe
L95[04:23:39] <Eddi|zuHause> 2D lifeforms
can't have both a mouth and an ass at the same time
L96[04:23:43] <Althego> thing is even the
most advanced robots today just mimic our movements, they waste a
lot of energy. normally as animals walk or run they store energy
and recover it, thus moving more efficiently
L97[04:24:15] <Althego> one mining crystal
is off by 20%... not good
L98[04:24:30] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: human
walking isn't optimized for energy saving, but for endurance
L99[04:24:48] <Althego> for long
distance
L100[04:25:03] <Althego> funny enough in
long distance walking you can beat a horse easily
L101[04:25:44] <darsie> Althego: I doubt
that.
L102[04:25:53] <Althego> the horse has
higher maximum speed
L103[04:25:55] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah,
horse-based systems like the persian mail network relied on
exchanging the horses at regular intervals
L104[04:26:01] <Althego> but a human can
keep 5 km/h all day
L105[04:26:06] <darsie> Horses sweat, so
you can't persistance hunt them, IMHO.
L106[04:27:09] <Eddi|zuHause> well, maybe
horse is an extreme example
L107[04:27:41] <Eddi|zuHause> especially
now that we have bread them for centuries, but for most other
animals, that is probably true
L108[04:28:13] <Eddi|zuHause> well,
land-based vertebrates
L109[04:28:36] <Althego> how awesome would
it be to ride feathered dinosaurs :)
L110[04:28:45] <Althego> oh wait, that
already exists, ostrich riding
L111[04:29:02] <darsie> We extincted those
giant birds.
L112[04:30:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i think i
heard somewhere that all modern birds evolved from like 3 species
of dinosaurs that managed to survive the extinction
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L118[04:46:19] <Althego> bacon
better
L119[05:02:51] <Althego> tranquility
offline. patience, my plagioclase and veldspar will be there soon
:)
L120[05:06:32] <Althego> hah 5 minutes of
downtime. when i was young it used to be almost an hour
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L125[06:00:55] <Althego> "scientists
got bored of watching the earth spin, so after 24 hours they call
edit a day" (we dont forget red5)
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L127[06:24:26] <Gasher[work]> red5
L128[06:28:28] <UmbralRaptor> We have
reinforced the g in gif with bulk carbon nanotubes
L129[06:30:08] <Althego> hehe
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L131[06:57:21] <mabus> what happened to
red5
L132[07:00:44] <Fluburtur> legend says he
will come back one day
L133[07:01:00] <Fluburtur> he already
blessed us with his presence once in the past year
L134[07:05:39] <Deddly> Every now and then
he still makes posts on the forum
L135[07:08:40] <UmbralRaptor> apparently
his job is taking up too much time
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L143[07:38:43] <Judge_Dedd> Not able to
watch videos right now, sorry
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L145[07:42:33] <Althego> hah new gtoger
video
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L147[07:58:03] <Guest33782> any idea wher
to get the older versions of KSP.. The Steam "Beta"links
are not working anymore.
L148[07:59:18] <UmbralRaptor> Generally,
they get phased out after a while, so you want to copy old versions
outside of your steam folder
L149[07:59:53] <Guest33782> UUUggghhh... I
missed the 1.4.5 version
L150[08:00:28] <Guest33782> anyone with a
file link
L151[08:01:13] <Guest33782> I have 1.3.1..
Was playing R.O. I wanted to see improvements with 1.4.5
L152[08:02:17] <Guest33782> I have been
playing the 1.6.1 DLC... but it is not very good when compared to
R.O
L153[08:02:34] <Althego> it is not
intended to be realistic
L154[08:02:41] <Althego> just historic
style
L155[08:03:34] <Guest33782> So I am
frustrated by the fact that R.O is only up to 1.4.5.. and I have
only 1.3.1 in my older versions.. I am looking for 1.4.5 but steam
no longer offers the older versions as "betas"
L156[08:04:41] <Guest33782> anyone have a
BETA key for steam older versions.. I have opened a steam support
request.. but htey take days to respond
L157[08:06:03] <Eddi|zuHause> looks like
space engineers isn't going to run under wine :/
L158[08:06:37] <Guest33782> what do you
mean?
L159[08:06:58] <Eddi|zuHause> which part
is confusing?
L160[08:07:19] <Guest33782> ?wine?
L161[08:07:43] <Eddi|zuHause> WINE stands
for Wine Is Not an Emulator
L162[08:07:59] <Eddi|zuHause> you can use
it to run windows programs under linux
L163[08:08:09] <Guest33782> ahh,....
L164[08:08:19] <Eddi|zuHause> (well,
theoretically you can also use it to run windows programs on
windows :p)
L165[08:08:31] <Guest33782> I was just
asking for a link to KSP version 1.4.5
L166[08:08:43] <Eddi|zuHause> (like, if
compatibility mode wasn't working)
L167[08:08:49] <Guest33782> Steam used to
have them all under the "betas" link.. now that is
closed
L168[08:09:02] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i saw
that, and i wasn't replying to you.
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L170[08:09:14] <Guest33782> My last older
version is 1.3.1
L171[08:09:41] <Guest33782> I am about to
get rid of Steam over stuff like this
L172[08:09:58] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i have
1.4.5 in my betas selection
L173[08:10:19] <Guest33782> I click on it
and it requests a beta code
L174[08:12:27] <Eddi|zuHause> are you
sure? usually the beta code is for things that don't show up in the
list...
L175[08:12:58] <Guest33782> I clicked it
and then went ot download.. lets see what it downloads
L176[08:13:09] <Eddi|zuHause> when you
select it, it should automatically download
L177[08:13:10] <Guest33782> almost
done
L178[08:15:18] <Guest33782> Ahhhh... I
would not download from that page.. but it did download 1.4.5 when
the box is chosen and I downloaded form the main page
L179[08:15:32] <JVFoxy> did a sandbox test
mission to Duna... there a known issue with using NERV engines and
the delta-v nodes thing?
L180[08:15:33] <Guest33782> So.. Problem
solved.. I now have 1.4.5
L181[08:16:03] <Eddi|zuHause> JVFoxy: i
had loads of issues with deltav display
L182[08:16:05] <Guest33782> they just
changed the way the betas page worked
L183[08:16:22] <Guest33782> Thanks
Eddie
L184[08:16:29] <Eddi|zuHause> Guest33782:
dunno what page you're looking at. for me it all worked as it
always did
L185[08:16:57] <JVFoxy> Eddi|zuHause ok
granted I had a little lander docked, with its engine and fuel tank
disabled.. but any time I did a delta-v change, it would get stuck
at 24 minutes thrust time and whole bar was red
L186[08:17:22] <Guest33782> right click on
game from library... choose properties.. then betas..
L187[08:17:24] <Eddi|zuHause> JVFoxy:
yeah, i think it gets confused with the Ox requirement
L188[08:17:36] <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm not
sure about that
L189[08:17:45] <JVFoxy> do a tiny change,
nope, wants to say you need 24 minutes burn, and nope, not enough
fuel. ugh
L190[08:18:04] <Eddi|zuHause> JVFoxy: i
still have KER open because of that
L191[08:18:31] <JVFoxy> ya.. I was
wondering about that.. I had something like 30k fuel onboard.. went
through about half reaching duna, then sling shotting around into
Ike orbit
L192[08:18:41] <Eddi|zuHause> JVFoxy:
because with NERV you don't have any Ox with you, it thinks the
whole stage has 0 dv
L193[08:19:05] <Eddi|zuHause> that's how i
imagine it goes wrong. could be totally different reason
L194[08:19:58] <JVFoxy> I did have Ox on
two tanks but it was mostly for lander fuel. Probably could have
brought along 10th of it... those tanks are kind of giant compared
to the little lander's tank
L195[08:21:20] <JVFoxy> surprising how
sensitive it was getting a proper sling shot around Duna.. lol,
used aft RCS thrusters on the docked lander to do minute
changes
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L197[08:22:33] <JVFoxy> Eddi|ZuHause KER..
kerbal engineer Redux right? WAsn't there some other engineer type
mods too? Jeb-whatsitcalled or is that now defunct?
L198[08:22:52] <Eddi|zuHause>
MechJeb
L199[08:22:55] <Eddi|zuHause> never used
that
L200[08:22:59] <Eddi|zuHause> no clue how
it works
L201[08:23:57] <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose
it's for people that go "well, i made this maneuver 100 times
already, just make it on autopilot for me"
L202[08:25:17] <JVFoxy> lol
L203[08:25:26] <hoglahoo> same
L204[08:25:47] <hoglahoo> I'm weird, I
still want to make the maneuver myself the 101st time though
L205[08:26:13] <JVFoxy> I'd probably do
well with Kerbal Alarm clock... more than maneuver stuff
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L207[08:27:21] <JVFoxy> anyone seen this
vid: Neil Armstrong's interview from 2011?
L208[08:29:44] <packbart> I fiddle with
the nodes myself but let MechJeb do the driving ;) unless it gets
it wrong, which it sometimes does
L209[08:31:35] <JVFoxy> ok maybe Mechjeb
isn't what I thought it was... you make nodes, it does the piloting
for you?
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L211[08:32:13] <Eddi|zuHause> it can also
make the nodes for you, if i understand correctly
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L214[08:33:10] <Eddi|zuHause> as in you
click a button "i'm in low kerbin orbit, put me into low mun
orbit"
L215[08:33:15] <Eddi|zuHause> and it goes
there
L216[08:34:19] <Althego> oh i have seen
that
L217[08:34:21] <Althego> wait a sec
L219[08:36:15] <JVFoxy> lol... ah but does
it put you in orbit or free-return orbit?
L220[08:36:40] <packbart> lots of useful
buttons indeed. I use the "zero velocity" button on
docking
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L257[11:55:29] <packbart> hmm. I'm at
Kerbin's north pole but KER displays the biome as Southern Ice
Shelf. I didn't bring a scanner :/
L258[11:57:33] <Mat2ch> Fly one
over!
L259[12:04:34] <Fluburtur> a tank shot me
in the air in ace combat 7
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L275[13:24:35] <Althego> dont forget,
spacex in half a day
L276[13:38:10] <Mat2ch> Ohhhh yeah
L277[13:46:01] <Althego> wait, scott the
movie reviewer? he doesnt do that normally
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L280[13:52:19] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Does it count as a launch failure if the
payload makes it to its orbit albeit as debris?
L281[13:52:31] <Althego> lol
L282[13:53:04] <Althego> how do you come
up with these greeting sentences?
L283[13:53:46] <Scolar_Visari> Simple: I
find a version of myself in an alternate universe who came up with
one, murder them, and then use that.
L284[13:54:19] <Scolar_Visari> Luckily,
the Multiverse Authority hasn't caught up with this . . .
Yet.
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L288[13:58:27] <Scolar_Visari> Well that
was weird.
L289[13:58:39] <Althego> the multiverse
strikes back
L290[13:58:46] <Scolar_Visari> Anyway,
having started to re-watch Babylon 5, I have concluded that the
Narn Regime did nothing wrong!
L293[14:03:33] *
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L295[14:23:04] <darsie> probably some
minor issues, I guess.
L296[14:28:00] *
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L297[14:31:35] <hoglahoo> oo
L298[14:31:50] <hoglahoo> i've never
visited either
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L303[14:48:47] <Althego> lol the rocket
saw. absolutely idiotic and funny
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L316[15:32:08] <Eddi|zuHause> nobody ever
visits Dres, so why would that be any diffrent with Ceres? :p
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L320[15:33:58] <UmbralRaptop> Well, for
one thing, Ceres actually exists…
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L322[15:45:14] <darsie> I visited
Dres.
L323[15:45:44] <darsie> If you slap me
now, I'll report that to UmbralRaptop ;).
L324[15:45:51] <darsie> Because, why
not?
L325[15:47:53] *
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L326[15:48:57] <darsie> smack*
L327[15:50:20] <darsie> s/ UmbralRaptop/
Judge_Dedd
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L329[15:51:07] <darsie> Ahh, it was you,
hoglahoo.
L330[15:52:50] <hoglahoo> too late
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L332[15:56:45] <UmbralRaptop> Okay, so we
know hoglahoo isn't in California…
L333[15:57:06] <Judge_Dedd> Hmm?
L334[15:57:53] <UmbralRaptop> scot(t
manley)-free
L335[16:07:37] <hoglahoo> we descend once
again
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L351[18:18:37] <darsie> Hmm, 4511 m/s
orbital insertion at Vesta.
L352[18:19:53] <darsie> Must be the high
inclination.
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L356[18:48:34] <darsie> Hmm, no,
circularization is 4700 m/s.
L358[18:49:47] <darsie> hehe
L359[18:50:15] <hoglahoo> there it
is
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for the impending SpaceX launch?
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L381[23:46:58] <Althego> stream