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L190[01:00:21] <Althego> what is happening
there
L191[01:00:31] <Althego> transporting a
train car on roads?
L192[01:01:29] <Eddi|zuHause> that's not
unheard of
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L204[02:44:06] <Althego> lol
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L216[05:30:27] <Rolf> GlassYuri: dang
lol
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L218[05:47:59] <GlassYuri> ...I spend
probably around ten months having an input field in my game, on
screen most of the time, which had the components of a 3d vector
labeled as 'X', 'Y' and 'Y'
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L220[05:58:19] <Lumindia> good job
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L222[06:14:09] <Rolf> yes all the
way!
L223[06:32:32] <GlassYuri> I like how
running out of RAM on a windows computer is like a serious injury
in that that session will never fully recover from all the damn
paging
L224[06:32:42] <GlassYuri> actually I
don't like that, at all
L225[06:36:36] <Rolf> some people call it
thrashing
L226[06:36:40] <Rolf> swapping
nonstop
L227[06:36:56] <Rolf> yeah its like ankles
for windows. broken and it never truly recovers
L228[06:40:54] <Deddly> This is why lots
of RAM and an SSD is more important to me than a fast CPU and
GPU
L229[06:41:25] <Deddly> is/are*
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L231[06:42:56] <Rolf> 16 gb ram on this
pc
L232[06:44:56] <GlassYuri> Deddly, my
motherboard only has two RAM slots and as far as I know doesn't
support more than 4GB per slot
L233[06:45:21] <Rolf> you probabky need to
check around and find what programs or apps is eating memory
L234[06:45:27] <Deddly> That's a
shame
L235[06:45:51] <Deddly> I will say that
open tabs in a browser is a massive memory hog
L236[06:46:05] <Rolf> my current pc is
built in 2015. last one was built in 2003
L237[06:46:21] <Rolf> my pcs last a LONG
time. managing it well
L238[06:46:25] <GlassYuri> Rolf, browser
and electron apps of course
L239[06:46:54] <Deddly> Right now, FIrefox
is using nearly 2 GB of RAM for me. That's 1GB more than KSP is
using
L240[06:47:03] <GlassYuri> unity engine is
pretty bad too, but that is partially on me
L241[06:47:39] <Deddly> KSP is only using
850 MB for me right now
L242[06:48:11] <Deddly> Interestingly,
it's using only 15% of the GPU, yet I know that this GPU slows KSP
down
L243[06:51:01] <Deddly> Ah, that was in
map mode. Interesting. Still only 45% GPU use in the main mode,
though
L244[06:53:55] <Rolf> not too sure how to
get list of applications and memory usage
L245[06:54:18] <Rolf> top -c then press c
sorts em correctly but its in blocks not sure how to change to more
usual units like megabytes
L246[06:55:52] <Rolf> ah x works
L247[06:55:58] <Rolf> 2.5 gb for
firefox
L248[07:26:27] <Fluburtur> Rokker ace
combat 7 is nice
L249[07:26:34] <Fluburtur> I like the
f104
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L252[08:20:29] <Rokker> Fluburtur: yeah I
heard it was good
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L256[08:53:59] <pixelfox> hi
L257[08:53:59] <Mod9000> Hello,
pixelfox
L258[08:55:05] <Deddly> Hello there
pixelfox
L259[08:55:40] <pixelfox> hi deddly
:)
L260[08:55:54] <pixelfox> im just looking
at what the chats about
L262[08:57:08] <Deddly> pixelfox, well,
this channel is like the Lounge, KSP Discussion and Tech
Support/Gameplay help sections of the forum all rolled into
one
L263[08:57:22] <Deddly> pixelfox, but
right now, it's the quiet time iin here :)
L264[08:57:36] <Althego> and random links,
mostly from fluburtur, also from me :)
L265[08:57:42] <Deddly> There's often a
fair bit of chat about planes
L266[08:57:54] <pixelfox> i mostly make
complex starships etc
L267[08:58:00] <Deddly> Yes, Fluburtur has
taken over as our chief random-link provider
L268[08:58:28] <Althego> who was the
former chief?
L269[08:58:34] <hoglahoo> I would like to
see one of these complex starships etc
L270[08:59:09] <pixelfox> np
L272[08:59:52] <hoglahoo> ty
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L274[09:00:42] <Deddly> Althego, previous
random-link chief was Iskierka
L275[09:01:07] <Althego> now that you
mention it, there was somebody here with that name
L276[09:01:13] <Deddly> Ooh, interesting
stuff there, pixelfox
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L278[09:01:40] <pixelfox> just a rough
draft of a same build i did years ago
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L280[09:04:33] <Deddly> I usually tend to
go for small manned craft and SSTO
L281[09:05:03] <Deddly> Oh yeah, and
sailing around the world like a billion times in Fluburtur's
challenge :D
L282[09:05:08] <Fluburtur> oh my god the
prototype UAV from AC7
L283[09:05:12] <Fluburtur> I need to build
that
L284[09:06:12] <pixelfox> i used kspie and
make internal deck areas etc , looks nice apart from not being
walkable around lol
L285[09:06:53] <Deddly> Fluburtur, my
cruiser is heading south down the western extremity of the
"heart" ocean on Kerbin right now.
L286[09:06:56] <Althego> have you looked
at dual universe?
L287[09:07:29] <Deddly> I still have over
half of my fuel
L288[09:07:51] <Deddly> I really don't
think that it's going to be enough
L289[09:08:10] <pixelfox> tried all the
sci fi builders they have over complex gui or awkward build tools
and silly camera angles always come back to ksp since 2011 , only
one ive seen that has me very interested in is skywanderers
L290[09:08:16] <Althego> obvious solution
is electric prop, must be strong under water
L291[09:09:01] <Deddly> Althego, I did
consider that, but decided against it
L292[09:09:55] <pixelfox> only thing
missing from ksp stock for me is tweakscale , a decent ker and at
least 1 engine that breathes on eve
L293[09:10:11] <GlassYuri> So I finished
my game for a ran-out-of-time definition of 'finished'
L294[09:14:09] <pixelfox> you think we
will ever get a ksp 2 ?
L295[09:14:52] <Althego> not anymore
L296[09:15:04] <pixelfox> :(
L297[09:15:11] <pixelfox> 2011 code
.....
L298[09:15:13] <Deddly> I think we
will
L299[09:15:20] <pixelfox> 1000+ bigs
L300[09:15:23] <pixelfox> bugs *
L301[09:15:52] <Deddly> I think we'll get
a few DLCs but I bet they already have started designing KSP2.
That's my unfounded guesswork.
L302[09:16:04] <pixelfox> my pc is decent
enough and trottles on 499+ parts now
L303[09:16:17] <pixelfox> back in 1.0 no
problems lol
L304[09:16:32] <Althego> and my bet is,
that ksp2 is too much work, they are going to do minimal
additions
L305[09:16:38] <pixelfox> used to have
almost up to 999 parts
L306[09:16:47] <Althego> actually since
1.0 there were a lot of optimizations
L307[09:16:55] <pixelfox> oh yes
certainly
L308[09:17:06] <pixelfox> i could never go
back to beta 90 lol
L309[09:17:11] <Althego> usable part count
went up
L310[09:17:13] <pixelfox> or 0.23
lol
L311[09:17:48] <pixelfox> mk2 was never
completed and a stock tweakscale would negate the need for more
parts
L312[09:18:28] <pixelfox> i'd love to say
be able to stock scale the nuke or ion
L313[09:18:35] <Althego> now they are just
making new looks for old parts and call it an update
L314[09:18:42] <pixelfox> yup lol
L315[09:18:51] <Althego> or they are
hiding an actual big update, and most of the peopel work on
that
L316[09:18:52] <pixelfox> 2 minor bugs
fixed lol
L317[09:20:16] <pixelfox> i dont need dlc
for same price as game which should have been in an update in
general , i want to be able to have more than 400 parts on a beast
pc , a ker that makes sense , and not 12fps in low kerbin orbit and
a stock scale .
L318[09:20:32] <Althego> i can have more
than 400 part
L319[09:20:33] <Althego> s
L320[09:20:52] <Althego> i am not sure i
ever went over 1000, but probably was over 800
L321[09:21:03] <pixelfox> i can run re2
60fps high settings ........... ksp 400 parts = vaccum pc lol
L322[09:21:19] <Althego> true, with many
parts you are not getting high framerates
L323[09:21:28] <Althego> but as long as
there is no crash, it is ok
L324[09:21:41] <pixelfox> actualy its not
so bad if i have pure stock with no MH , kspie totaly vaccums pc
though lol
L325[09:22:32] <pixelfox> b9 procedural
wings = vaccum ......... odd how only certain mods do that .
L326[09:23:24] <pixelfox> i dont dare
attempt partwelder in 1.6.1
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L330[09:50:45] <packbart> oh right,
Konstruction's weldable docking ports are still on my list of
things to try
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L334[10:22:54] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Ragnite is Tiberium!
L336[10:23:58] <Scolar_Visari> "The
reason that China has chosen the dark side of the moon for unmanned
exploration is because they’re looking mineral resources
there."
L337[10:24:19] <Althego> what kind of
mineral resources? water?
L338[10:24:30] <Althego> and i hate it
when they call it the dark side. it is the far side
L339[10:25:03] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Sigh, the author believes there is a physical shortage of rare
Earth minerals and the Moon should have a lot for import.
L340[10:25:28] <Althego> there is a
shortage
L341[10:25:29] *
Scolar_Visari points out those unused rare earth mines in the
United States.
L342[10:25:50] <Althego> but mostly
because mining them causes a lot of environmental damage, and only
a few places dont care about taht
L343[10:26:03] <Scolar_Visari> It isn't
shortage: It's the fact that China sells most of them at dirt cheap
prices and no one else has bothered to mine their own because of
it.
L344[10:28:07] <Scolar_Visari> The Moon,
as well as any other celestial body, would be a terrible source of
something for which A. We already have a lot of in spite of the
name and B. Require an extensive infrastructure to recover and
transport. The author doesn't seem to be aware that most space
mining proposals involve using the resources locally, with water
being the most sou
L345[10:28:07] <Scolar_Visari> ght
after.
L347[10:30:38] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: No one said detecting WIMPs would be easy!
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L349[10:31:04] <Althego> maybe they should
try to detect incels instead :)
L350[10:31:09] <UmbralRaptop> They already
beat up the MACHOs!
L351[10:34:31] <Scolar_Visari> If I see
someone write about a second space race that does not involve a
zombie Khrushchev, I'm going to revive have zombie Lyndon B.
Johnson eat them.
L352[10:34:48] <Althego> hehe
L353[10:36:26] *
UmbralRaptop hides the crystals holding the souls of Korolev,
Ehrich, and Glushko.
L354[10:36:32] <Althego> hehe
L355[10:36:40] <Althego> good to have
backups
L356[10:36:48] <Scolar_Visari>
"Whereas Americans view space and the moon as a desolate
place, China sees this as the next zone of strategic economic,
political and military competition between states—and the Chinese
intend to get there first." Sigh . . .
L357[10:37:04] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: BREAK OPEN IN CASE OF SPACE EMERGENCY
L358[10:37:37] <Althego> after 10000 years
i am free!
L359[10:37:56] <hoglahoo> does it give you
such a krick in the neck?
L360[10:38:00] <hoglahoo> crick
L361[10:38:21] <Althego> this is what they
would say. or soemthing similar
L362[10:38:39] *
UmbralRaptop feeds a bunch of PDEs into Althego
L363[10:38:58] <Althego> are those even
edible?
L364[10:39:30] <UmbralRaptop> I guess if
they're written on the right paper…
L365[10:40:17] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if the author's knowledge of Lunar resources
comes from video games like Moon Tycoon.
L366[10:41:47] <Althego> ksp should give
some name to respurce
L367[10:42:42] <packbart> Space
Force!
L368[10:42:54] <Althego> that leads us to
politics
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L370[10:43:13] <Scolar_Visari> It's like
those stories that assign tens of billions of dollars of value to
massive asteroids without regards to the reality that such
resources, in most cases, would be evenly distributed instead of
concentrated as they are on Earth.
L371[10:43:28] <Althego> and politics
leads to anger anger leads to hate, hate leads to kickbans :)
L372[10:43:39] <UmbralRaptop>
Scolar_Visari: something something Helium-3 *waves talons*
L373[10:43:55] <Althego> clone lives
matter!
L374[10:44:06] <UmbralRaptop> uh
L375[10:44:25] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: It's just as simple matter of combing through tens of
millions of tons of regolith and baking out the helium-3.
SIMPLE!
L377[10:45:00] *
Scolar_Visari just decides to breed tritium.
L378[10:45:05] <Althego> welcome to lunar
industries
L379[10:46:37] <Scolar_Visari> Heaven
forbid anyone ever research a topic before writing about it.
L380[10:49:28] *
Scolar_Visari also notes the same author had written an article
about the need for a Russo-American Lunar space
station
L381[10:49:55] <Althego> usa wants to
build a lunar gateway thingie
L382[10:50:35] <Fluburtur> oh man, ace
combat 7 is good
L383[10:50:36] <Scolar_Visari> There are
American *individuals*, but it's far from a widespread
desire.
L384[10:50:48] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
"Trigger crashed. Drooling idiot!
L385[10:50:57] <Althego> let's face it.
hubble is close to dying, and the iss is aging. no government wants
to invest that much money again. these iconic things in orbit soon
disappear
L386[10:51:16] *
Scolar_Visari points out Hubble's multi-billion dollar
successor.
L387[10:51:34] <Scolar_Visari> Boy, if you
thought Hubble came in over budget . . .
L388[10:52:04] <Althego> webb is
constantly delayed and is not going to operate that long, also
mostly infra red
L389[10:52:19] <Scolar_Visari> Infra red
is quite good.
L390[10:52:30] <Althego> for certain
uses
L391[10:52:42] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah, like
astronomy.
L392[10:52:46] <Althego> i didnt talk
about their budget. i talked about putting something like that into
orbit again
L393[10:53:37] <UmbralRaptop> Althego:
Like HabEx, LUVOIR, or Origins Space Telescope?
L394[10:54:02] <UmbralRaptop> (… or I
suppose Lynx as a Chandra successor)
L395[10:54:05] <Scolar_Visari> Also:
Tiangong-3. Or, perhaps in the near future, private habitats.
L396[10:54:33] <Althego> i will beleive it
when they start building them
L397[10:56:02] <Scolar_Visari> Well, ahem,
they already did launch several test articles, including one
attached to the Space Station.
L398[10:56:14] <Althego> good
L399[10:56:29] <Althego> let's hope they
start building it before iss goes down
L400[10:56:44] <Scolar_Visari> It'll be a
long time before the Space Station is deorbited.
L401[10:57:01] <Scolar_Visari> It already
has secure funding for 2024, and it'll likely remain in orbit until
the 2030s.
L402[10:57:10] <hoglahoo> and it’ll be a
long time before they start building it
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L404[10:57:27] <Scolar_Visari> Deorbiting
it would be . . . problematic and expensive.
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L406[10:57:52] <Althego> you know, the
hofstadter law. creating new things takes longer than we think,
even if we take the hofstadter law into account
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L408[10:58:29] <darsie> Deorbiting ... you
just need to take the Soyuz to go home and let the orbit
decay.
L409[10:58:51] <Scolar_Visari> darsie: And
that's exactly the opposite of what everyone is actually
suggesting.
L410[10:58:54] <Althego> actually you want
to deorbit huge things like that to fall down to point nemo
L411[10:59:06] <darsie> Well, unless you
want to drop it in the ocean.
L412[10:59:10] <darsie> make sure
L413[10:59:16] <hoglahoo> nah
L414[10:59:33] <Scolar_Visari> Nothing
that large has ever been deorbited, and letting the orbit simply
decay is out of the question.
L415[10:59:41] <Althego> and there is the
supposed unpaid littering ticket from australia to nasa because of
some space debris :)
L416[10:59:47] <Scolar_Visari>
Skylab.
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L419[11:04:50] *
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being the space counterpart to the SS Great Eastern.
L420[11:06:07] <Althego> hehe
L421[11:06:21] <Althego> certainly it had
a rocky start already. or should i say windy :)
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L424[11:12:11] <Scolar_Visari> I can't say
there's much of a market for interplanetary colonization at the
moment.
L425[11:12:37] <Althego> the usual. no
demand and no supply, one has to start
L426[11:14:33] *
Scolar_Visari tries to envision shipping Mars-brand water back to
Earth.
L427[11:14:47] <Althego> hehe
L428[11:14:50] <Scolar_Visari> "The
taste of the Red Planet (R)"
L429[11:14:59] <Althego> space beer, space
coffe and studff
L430[11:16:10] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah, but I
can get that stuff cheaper from Orbital Brewery Co.
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L432[11:46:51] <darsie> There are many ppl
wanting to go to Mars.
L433[11:47:01] <Althego> not too
many
L434[11:47:17] <darsie> Enough to fill
spaceships for years.
L435[11:47:24] <Althego> but as i said,
supply and demand can grow together, once there is an actual supply
of mars transfer
L436[11:47:49] <darsie> How many
volunteered for Mars One?
L437[11:48:31] <Althego> at least
thousands
L438[11:48:57] <darsie> That's enough for
a colony.
L439[11:51:01] <Althego> meanwhile the
snowman is getting more and more details. i havent checked it for a
while and the picture is more than a week old already
L440[11:54:22] <SnoopJeDi> hmm, how many
people are necessary for good genetic diversity?
L441[11:54:44] <SnoopJeDi> (leaving aside
the notion of taking a gene library along with you)
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L443[11:59:20] <darsie> 500
L444[11:59:36] <darsie> long term
L445[11:59:39] <Althego> in hex? :)
L446[11:59:42] <darsie> dec
L447[11:59:56] <darsie> Well, sufficient.
Maybe not 'good'.
L448[12:00:34] <Althego> scott
L449[12:01:18] <SnoopJeDi> darsie, are you
basing that answer on anything in particular or did you take a
complete stab in the dark
L450[12:01:35] <darsie> Read it in
wikipedia. Looking for it.
L451[12:02:55] <darsie> Researchers in
conservation biology have tended to adopt the "50/500"
rule of thumb initially advanced by Franklin and Soule. This rule
says a short-term effective population size (Ne) of 50 is needed to
prevent an unacceptable rate of inbreeding, whereas a long‐term Ne
of 500 is required to maintain overall genetic variability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_colonization#Population_size
L452[12:04:16] <SnoopJeDi> hrm, with no
reference :|
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L454[12:05:52] <SnoopJeDi> looks like a
1981 text by those two
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L456[12:06:24] <SnoopJeDi> Perhaps a bit
too optimistic about what we knew about genetics 40 years ago
:/
L457[12:06:43] <darsie> But sperm/embryo
bank reduces these numbers drastically.
L458[12:07:00] <SnoopJeDi> yea, that's why
I cheated and excluded it from the problem statement
L459[12:07:09] <darsie> If you can protect
them from radiation damage.
L460[12:07:15] <SnoopJeDi> because that's
basically a "how much of a futurist are you"
L461[12:07:33] <darsie> Is that a quiz
question?
L462[12:07:35] <SnoopJeDi> "on a
scale from 1 to Michio Kaku, exactly how much speculation are you
willing to do"
L463[12:07:45] <SnoopJeDi> no I mean it's
an entirely subjective question
L464[12:07:59] <darsie> Well, sperm/embryo
banking is not futuristic.
L465[12:08:12] <SnoopJeDi> For later use,
sure.
L466[12:08:51] <SnoopJeDi> But doing it
for genetic diversity would presumably involve decanting and
splicing, not "uh let's decant some baby-sauce and wait for a
few generations?"
L467[12:09:03] <SnoopJeDi> in the case of
a bottleneck event
L468[12:09:29] <SnoopJeDi> there's plenty
of research on that, but it's research, so the best you can do is
speculate, heh.
L469[12:09:40] <darsie> I speculate I
could upload my mind to artificial (electronic) brains and live
10^30 years by eventually dumping 1000 black dwarfs into a 1 MW
black hole and live off the Hawking radiation.
L470[12:09:55] <Althego> hehe
L471[12:10:02] <darsie> :)
L472[12:10:34] <SnoopJeDi> but we'll
certainly be trying out the technology in the coming decades, so I
guess we'll have a better idea sooner rather than later
L473[12:14:33] <darsie> I may have done
the calculation with 1 GW BHs, so make that 10^33 years.
L474[12:14:49] <Althego> hehe
L475[12:15:36] <darsie> 1 GW BHs are
smaller than protons and thus hard to feed.
L476[12:16:18] <Althego> bh in german
means bra :)
L477[12:16:22] <darsie> mhm
L478[12:22:00] <UmbralRaptop> bra as
opposed to ket?
L479[12:22:05] <Althego> hehe
L480[12:22:31] <Althego> the quantum is
strong with this one
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L482[12:32:26] <Althego> ready player a?
:)
L483[12:33:05] <APlayer> Yeah, kind
of
L484[12:33:06] <APlayer> I guess
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L486[12:42:16] <UmbralRaptop> Ready player
a†
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L489[12:44:31] <Althego> aaaaaaah cant
dance
L490[12:44:45] <NeilKerbin> howdy
L491[12:44:47] *
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L492[12:44:53] <Althego> hehe
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L494[12:45:06] <UmbralRaptop> NeilKerbin:
greetings
L495[12:45:15] <Althego> drive a and b
effectively died out
L496[12:45:20] <APlayer> Apparently, the
disk was not made for being inserted into two drives at once and
broke after such harsh treatment
L497[12:45:44] <NeilKerbin> got any tips
for starting a new career?
L498[12:45:55] <Althego> you dont need a
degree
L499[12:45:58] <APlayer> Do not pick
Sandbox mode :P
L500[12:46:03] <UmbralRaptop> Depends on
your goals.
L501[12:46:07] <Althego> ah in game
L502[12:46:45] <NeilKerbin> I'm just
looking to learn and get the science
L503[12:47:12] <UmbralRaptop> Assuming you
want to grab easy science, there's some lying around the KSC area.
But getting somewhere with a better multiplier (eg: Mun, Minmus)
helps immensely.
L504[12:47:15] <Althego> use the space
center microbiomes to get science quickly in the beginning
L505[12:47:23] <APlayer> NeilKerbin: Get a
solid base of funds by doing (probably) satellite and tourist
contracts
L506[12:47:28] <Althego> in fact i can go
into orbit with my first actual launch
L507[12:47:41] <UmbralRaptop> If you're
new to KSC, science mode is if anything more forgiving (no need to
worry about money)
L508[12:47:46] <NeilKerbin> there is
launchpad, runways
L509[12:48:00] <Althego> you just need to
roll a bit to get 2 additional
L510[12:48:20] <Althego> off the runway
towards the empty fields and off the launchpad towards the crawler
way
L511[12:48:37] <NeilKerbin> roger
L512[12:48:47] <NeilKerbin> 1st flight,
here goes
L513[12:48:48] <Althego> i susually do it
with 2 joined capsules
L514[12:49:02] <NeilKerbin> 2
astronauts?
L515[12:49:09] <NeilKerbin> for 2 crew
reports?
L516[12:49:10] <Althego> yes
L517[12:49:22] <Althego> jumping up will
give you flying above eva science
L518[12:49:25] <Althego> and half a
star
L519[12:49:58] <NeilKerbin> I should have
put more goo pods
L520[12:50:06] <Althego> scientist resets
them
L521[12:51:39] <Althego> you can go back a
second time, they still have some science anyway
L522[12:52:00] <NeilKerbin> I got about 30
science from that
L523[12:52:19] <NeilKerbin> just a single
pod on a booster
L524[12:53:03] <NeilKerbin> trying one
with 2 astronauts now
L525[12:53:45] <NeilKerbin> and it
died
L526[12:53:50] <Althego> hehe
L527[12:54:00] <Althego> heros never die
:)
L528[12:54:53] <NeilKerbin> rough landing
with all this weight
L529[12:57:54] <NeilKerbin> is it worth it
to bother with the focused observation contracts?
L530[12:58:06] <Althego> not really
L531[12:58:14] <Althego> unless they are
really close
L532[12:58:30] <Althego> but most of them
need planes
L533[12:58:40] <Althego> also many of them
requires the panther engien
L534[12:59:04] <NeilKerbin> yeah I always
found them really annoying
L535[12:59:48] <Althego> hah i see
somebody started to put the engien curves on the wiki
L536[13:00:20] <NeilKerbin> can't get the
altitude i guess with basic engine
L537[13:00:32] <Althego> yes, not even
with the second one
L538[13:00:49] <Althego> especially when
you also need to fly far away
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L540[13:05:16] <darsie> What curves?
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L542[13:06:03] <hoglahoo> not with that
altitude
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L545[13:06:50] <Althego> the game never
exposes these to you
L546[13:06:51] <darsie> Ahh, jet.
L547[13:07:10] <Althego> jest have
two
L548[13:07:16] <Althego> rockets have
one
L549[13:07:35] <Althego> and hiding these
is annoying in case you want to design an eve ascent vehicle
L550[13:07:39] <darsie> mhm, Isp
....
L551[13:08:13] <darsie> Just use the best
for Eve.
L552[13:08:36] <Althego> hehe, and how do
you know that, when you cant see the data for higher than 1
atmosphere inside the game?
L553[13:09:03] <darsie> Mammoth, RS-25
(1/4 mammoth)
L554[13:09:09] <UmbralRaptop> I thought
you could with 1.6?
L555[13:09:18] <Althego> how?
L556[13:09:45] <darsie> Not sure if the
next stage would be a Terrier.
L557[13:09:47] <Althego> oh with the ker
liek thingie
L558[13:09:51] <UmbralRaptop> The ΔV calc
includes TWR, and lets you set >1 atm pressures IIRC
L559[13:10:28] <Althego> which is useful
in its own way
L560[13:10:48] <Althego> but i still want
the diagrams to be available in the game
L561[13:10:57] <Althego> they are part of
the engines description
L562[13:11:19] <UmbralRaptop> fair
L563[13:11:28] <darsie> I tried to drop
engines on Eve to get the data, but failed. Drowning them in the
ocean failed, too.
L564[13:11:35] <Althego> hehe
L565[13:11:49] <UmbralRaptop> o_O
L566[13:12:27] <Althego> it is hard to
make anything sink in ksp anyway
L567[13:14:23] <darsie> Vector
L568[13:14:35] <Althego> yes that is one
of the best
L569[13:17:04] <NeilKerbin> what should
first upgrades be?
L570[13:17:10] <NeilKerbin> and tech
tree?
L571[13:17:21] <Althego> i always priorize
science and depriorize planes
L572[13:17:31] <Althego> because science
gives you more points to spend
L573[13:17:46] <Althego> and you dont
actually need planes
L574[13:17:53] <Althego> not for the cool
stuff
L575[13:18:01] <darsie> I'd make hte next
rocket tech first. Gets you to orbit.
L576[13:18:53] <NeilKerbin> yeah you need
to liquid fuel
L577[13:20:02] <Althego> do you even
liquid fuel, bro? :)
L578[13:21:44] <APlayer> Hy-bro-lox
L579[13:22:42] <NeilKerbin> is orbiting
possible wihtout boosters?
L580[13:23:18] <NeilKerbin> I don't have
those side couplers yet
L581[13:23:41] <pacbard> NeilKerbin , it
depends on what kind of payload you have on top of the rocket
L582[13:23:41] <Althego> side couplers add
addition parts, so in the beginning i use a single center decoupler
and multiple solids on it
L583[13:23:59] <NeilKerbin> roger
L584[13:24:09] <NeilKerbin> dV map says
3300 for orbit
L585[13:24:21] <Althego> or in some cases
a single side decoupler and a solid booster, one of the stock
rockets has that too, not to mention reality :)
L586[13:24:32] <darsie> NeilKerbin: Basic
rocketry or so allows you to make an SSTO.
L587[13:24:55] <NeilKerbin> okay i just
suck then :S
L588[13:25:14] <darsie> Well, not every
newbie sees that possibility.
L589[13:25:48] <pacbard> You need the
delta v but also enough twr to lift the rocket up. Usually 1.5 twr
is enough
L590[13:26:29] <darsie> You also need to
fly shallow.
L591[13:27:01] <darsie> Takes some
skill.
L592[13:27:23] <darsie> But it's fun,
getting your second rocket to orbit :).
L593[13:27:51] <NeilKerbin> ahh reliant vs
swivel makes a big difference
L594[13:28:04] <NeilKerbin> 3178
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L596[13:31:45] <NeilKerbin> needs
fins
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L598[13:32:35] <APlayer> 1.5 TWR is about
0.2 - 0.3 more than I aim for in a normal build
L599[13:32:55] <APlayer> Sometimes,
rarely, I go for 1.4
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L601[13:37:05] <Alabin> hi
L602[13:37:06] <Mod9000> Hello,
Alabin
L603[13:37:27] <NeilKerbin> I'll have to
check what this one was
L604[13:37:30] <NeilKerbin> i think
1.6
L605[13:38:08] <Alabin> I made a
"contact" message for help to delete my account, could
someone check it out?
L606[13:40:49] <hoglahoo> I’m not sure
how
L607[13:42:10] <Alabin> Think you need to
be a mod ^_^
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L613[14:08:36] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Got a present for ya!
L614[14:08:50] *
Scolar_Visari chucks some C4 on to the #KSPOfficial Tiberium
refinery.
L615[14:11:17] <APlayer> Jokes on you, all
the KSP parts explode anyway
L616[14:11:26] <Scolar_Visari> The author
of that SpaceNews article responded to one of the comments, I'm
3/4ths tempted to reply to see what their reaction is.
L617[14:12:28] <hoglahoo> thank you,
colonel burton
L618[14:13:30] <Scolar_Visari> Tiberium
Dawn Commando > Colonel Burton. The former is funnier.
L619[14:14:52] <hoglahoo> do they say the
same thing
L620[14:14:58] <hoglahoo> I didnt play the
tiberium titles
L621[14:15:18] <Scolar_Visari> Not quite.
The various Tanyas were even more . . . disturbing.
L622[14:15:31] *
Scolar_Visari is still haunted at night by the laughter of the
characters as they mowed down Soviet infantry.
L623[14:15:38] <hoglahoo> I basically
skipped from red alert to generals, was thrilled with ra2
L624[14:15:40] <hoglahoo> wasnt*
L625[14:15:57] <hoglahoo> hm
L626[14:16:45] <Fluburtur> alright ace
combat 7 is intense
L627[14:18:30] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
Mage 1, Magnum!
L628[14:19:23] <Fluburtur> also I unlocked
the republic of Estovakia emblem for some reason
L629[14:19:28] <Fluburtur> not gonna
complain tho, it looks nice
L631[14:20:36] <Fluburtur> because citron
is lemon in french
L633[14:24:43] <Scolar_Visari> The
Estovakian roundel goes well with the Sol squadron liveries for the
Su-30SM, Su-30 M2 and X-02.
L634[14:25:00] <Scolar_Visari> The Rafale
M also gets a black livery not unlike its Estovakian colors from
AC6.
L635[14:28:37] <Fluburtur> im working
towards the rafale now
L636[14:28:49] <Fluburtur> mostly using
the su 33 and 37 until then
L637[14:29:24] <Scolar_Visari> The Su-33
is one of the most well balanced craft alongside the Rafale. I love
me some anti-shipping missiles.
L638[14:29:34] <Fluburtur> yeah I use
those a lot
L639[14:29:53] <Fluburtur> would like some
air to ground weapons on the 37 but well, it is a air superiority
fighter
L640[14:29:53] <Scolar_Visari> "Enemy
fleet? What enemy fleet?"
L641[14:30:40] <Fluburtur> shock missile
when
L642[14:33:19] <Scolar_Visari> There are
not, however, any superweapon missiles ala the CFA-44's All
Direction Multi-Purpose Missiles or the ADFX-01's Multi-Purpose
Burst Missile.
L643[14:33:34] <Fluburtur> the su37 has a
laser
L644[14:33:42] <Fluburtur> but I def want
the falken, love this thing
L645[14:33:53] <Fluburtur> perhaps a x02
or yr-99 too
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L647[14:37:09] <Scolar_Visari> The
Falken's not in AC6, but a two seater variant of the X-02 is.
L648[14:38:01] <Scolar_Visari> The Su-37's
laser sort of stinks. The pulse lasers are far more effective,
particularly on the Su-50, which has a greater number of
shots.
L649[14:39:12] <Scolar_Visari> Even with
the lead time included, a pulse laser plus all the parts can
reliably kill anything in three or four hits.
L650[14:39:21] <Scolar_Visari> Aside from
ships, that is, or bosses.
L651[14:41:30] <Fluburtur> could be useful
for shooting mister x
L652[14:44:30] <Scolar_Visari> I've tried,
it's not that useful.
L653[14:44:41] <Scolar_Visari> I've had
better luck with the MiG-21's machine gun pods.
L654[14:44:58] <Fluburtur> it is almost as
hard as shooting down the varcolacs in ac joint assault
L655[14:46:23] *
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DLC.
L656[14:46:33] <Scolar_Visari> I want my
ADFX-01 Morgan back too!
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L658[14:55:32] <Fluburtur> however, that
experimental UAV that looks like a scaled down signel engine falken
is nice
L659[14:55:38] <Fluburtur> I want to build
that now
L660[14:58:37] <Scolar_Visari> The UAV
sound effects are also different from normal jets.
L661[14:58:47] <Fluburtur> yeah
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L663[15:00:38] <Scolar_Visari> Like . . .
flies.
L664[15:00:45] <Scolar_Visari> They also
go down like flies!
L665[15:02:22] <Fluburtur> the MQ 99 are
harder to shoot down than the 101 I find
L666[15:02:44] <Fluburtur> also, A-10 need
3 missiles to kill so I guess that makes sense
L667[15:07:23] <Fluburtur> now, can my 3d
printer hot ends get here quicker
L668[15:07:26] <Fluburtur> I kinda need
those
L669[15:10:22] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
The Su-34 is a better attack craft, particularly since it can still
keep up with enemy fighters.
L670[15:10:33] <Scolar_Visari> Also: Them
self forging munitions.
L671[15:10:44] <Fluburtur> yeah
L672[15:10:55] <Fluburtur> missiles coming
back when im dry out is a bit weird
L673[15:13:06] <Scolar_Visari> You can
also restock your aircraft by reloading at a checkpoint, special
weapons included.
L674[15:13:18] <Fluburtur> yeah I
know
L675[15:13:38] <Fluburtur> some maps have
the resupply area too
L676[15:17:36] *
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friendly flying aircraft carriers and the ability to resupply with
them.
L677[15:22:14] <Fluburtur> yeah, I guess
there could be some agaion somewhere or something
L678[15:23:35] <Scolar_Visari> No! Is
dirty Belkan aircraft!
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L695[17:47:29] <legion> wait, that isn't a
Spaceshuttle, right?
L696[17:47:40] <Fluburtur> and parts of a
soyuz yes
L697[17:47:55] <legion> It is a Buran
then
L698[17:48:23] <Fluburtur> idk that is
from a ace combat 7 cutscene
L699[17:48:36] <Fluburtur> there is a mass
driver to send aerospike shuttles on that island too
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L716[20:23:36] <packbart> ah, the
CommunityResourcePack changes Asteroid compositions. I wondered
what had happened to the Ore extraction rate. Now the asteroids
also contain water and minerals and rock 'n stuff
L717[20:24:02] *
packbart feels tempted to add ElectricCharge into the mix - Free
Energy Harvester ;)
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