OCLogs: 2019-01-10.log

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L15[02:19:31] <Fluburtur> https://66.media.tumblr.com/2d45ecf6b661957174a623465e1d6a95/tumblr_oqkvwrGrth1tkalkoo1_400.gif

L16[02:27:07] <Althego> lol

L17[02:29:31] <Fluburtur> also I found the best music ever but I cant post it here

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L22[02:46:26] <Fluburtur> wtf

L23[02:46:42] <Fluburtur> youtube doesnt want to full screen for some reason

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L38[04:46:14] <Fluburtur> Althego http://shop.modelaircraft.org/tools/images/25717da0b7e64625857799de71649b47/zoom.aspx

L39[04:48:52] <Althego> hehe sad

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L41[04:52:07] <Mat2ch> Ok. Why did I just get an explosion near my spacecraft?

L42[04:52:27] <Mat2ch> And why is there a display "Headshot! crashed into Duna"?

L43[04:54:30] <Fluburtur> because ksp is so broken?

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L48[05:30:10] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: not sure if this is an asteroid falling down on Duna or a backdoor in a mod ;P

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L50[05:33:44] <Rolf> Mat2ch: did some part fall off your ship and explode?

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L52[05:42:51] <Mat2ch> Rolf: no

L53[05:43:05] <Mat2ch> just the message above

L54[05:43:16] <Rolf> weird

L55[05:43:17] <Mat2ch> in the F3 menu

L56[05:43:19] <Mat2ch> yep

L57[05:44:15] <Mat2ch> Oh

L58[05:44:17] <Mat2ch> OH

L59[05:44:19] <Mat2ch> I know what it was

L60[05:44:24] <Mat2ch> that was a flag!

L61[05:44:33] <Mat2ch> the flag I planted on the Head of Duna!

L62[05:44:37] <Gasher[work]> lol

L63[05:44:51] <Mat2ch> Oh, this bug free piece of crappy software...

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L73[06:21:33] <Fluburtur> time to create a new save and move the crafts for the submarine challenge

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L75[06:40:16] <Fluburtur> the PCBs I ordered are on their way

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L81[07:11:59] <Gasher[work]> UFO made in USA lol https://patents.google.com/patent/US2912244

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L93[08:53:30] <Fluburtur> I wasnt sure why my plane wasnt climbing but the flight controller didnt give enough beans to the motor for some reason https://youtu.be/GJ7qi5iVaq4

L94[08:53:30] <kmath> YouTube - ASW 28 flight modes test

L95[08:56:18] <Althego> let's se what happened on the flat earth today

L96[09:02:49] <JVFoxy> uff..

L97[09:03:18] <Fluburtur> https://66.media.tumblr.com/e32351c02df19788d8b9a7ab74e32f5c/tumblr_p7nuohnqg71vdtzvgo1_250.gif

L98[09:03:31] <Althego> hehe

L99[09:03:34] <Althego> trolling gorilla

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L103[09:06:52] <JVFoxy> Fluburtur where you trying to make it slow fly? I noticed speed kinda went low, but then your current draw was pretty high because of trim to keep altitiude

L104[09:07:55] <Fluburtur> well I used like 20amps at launch and then I was in altitude hold mode and for some reason it didnt want to use more than 5 amps

L105[09:09:42] <JVFoxy> plane a design of your own or one already pre-built?

L106[09:09:52] <Fluburtur> this plane is a glider kit

L107[09:09:56] <JVFoxy> ah ok..

L108[09:10:00] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/532933810929664012/IMG_20190110_151251.jpg

L109[09:13:02] <JVFoxy> I'm going to guess you went through all the settings on your flight controller? Might be a limiter or condition setting

L110[09:13:13] <Fluburtur> perhaps cruise throttle

L111[09:13:37] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: Press X to repair

L112[09:14:22] <Althego> hehe

L113[09:14:35] <JVFoxy> CG is ok?

L114[09:14:37] <Althego> or f for respects?

L115[09:15:42] <Fluburtur> eh will be easy to repair that

L116[09:16:19] <JVFoxy> just trying to think of things... automatic is nice, only if you can get it perfect. Even so, I'd worry about laziness

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L119[09:17:55] <Fluburtur> apparently, alt hold changes the throttle depending on the desired climb angle

L120[09:18:12] <Fluburtur> so I should change some parameters there, it will also affect the return to home mode I guess

L121[09:20:14] <JVFoxy> Does it track actual climb speed or just angle? The slower you go, higher pitch angle you'll be at, the more throttle you'll need because of drag.

L122[09:20:31] <Fluburtur> it does both

L123[09:20:38] <Fluburtur> I have both gps altitude and air presure

L124[09:21:51] <JVFoxy> alright. Just hate to see you in a situation, needing more throttle, but it won't let you because of a limit. If you have altitude, best to nose down, get some speed built up.

L125[09:22:14] <Fluburtur> angle mode lets me use all the power I want I think

L126[09:22:32] <Fluburtur> I will change the throttle to pitch and cruise throttle

L127[09:22:44] <Fluburtur> also I should try to set up autolaunch

L128[09:22:52] <JVFoxy> then begs the question, why even limits?

L129[09:23:07] <Althego> and the cover is still not on the seismometer

L130[09:23:15] <Fluburtur> to not run the motor at full power all the time I guess

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L132[09:23:59] <JVFoxy> Althego uff.. ya was wondering, ever since Ultima Thule.. almost forgot about the Mars lander.

L133[09:24:36] <Althego> must be hard for them, just after the flyby the sun just jumps in t he middle

L134[09:24:49] <Althego> how rude

L135[09:25:45] <JVFoxy> Fluburtur just heard on news the other day, Canada here going to look into some moderate regulation when it comes to drone flying

L136[09:26:42] <JVFoxy> need to pass an online course for a permit for any kind of flying, can't fly more than 400 feet, always in visual range, but no more than 250 meters out.. or something?

L137[09:27:01] <Fluburtur> I think france wants to pass something similar

L138[09:27:05] <Fluburtur> but I dont really care

L139[09:27:10] <Fluburtur> no one here will mind that stuff

L140[09:27:16] <Fluburtur> also, my plane is not a drone

L141[09:27:34] <JVFoxy> although already rules in place.. seem to recall no more than 9 miles from any sort of aircraft operations site regardless of the kind

L142[09:28:44] <JVFoxy> eh... I remember US tried to pass something that said: if it can fly a camera, its banned... then realized something the size of your thumb could fly a camera, effectively banning everything.

L143[09:28:59] <Althego> hehe

L144[09:30:20] <JVFoxy> I haven't logged onto RC groups in a while, but they still send me updates via email. Mostly US stuff, and I'm in Canada. US gets so much more exposure than us.. not always easy to tell whats legal or not

L145[09:31:04] <JVFoxy> usually have to check online for things, even then, sometimes conflicting or rules are so strict anyways, people just don't always follow them anyways

L146[09:31:11] <Fluburtur> I dont care about those laws, the only rule is "dont be a D"

L147[09:31:38] <Fluburtur> use common sense and dont put peoples in danger

L148[09:33:00] <JVFoxy> ya well... tell that to the people flying drones around some of hte UK airports, shutting them down for a time.

L149[09:33:15] <JVFoxy> bad enough we got people shooting laser pointers at planes over here as they land

L150[09:33:29] <Fluburtur> those peoples are not part of the hobby community

L151[09:33:35] <Fluburtur> nor they deserve to be

L152[09:33:50] <hoglahoo> they should be depeoplesed

L153[09:33:51] <Fluburtur> probably idiots that got expensive toys

L154[09:33:52] <JVFoxy> my guess, quite a few people pretty sour over having planes flying overhead, deciding to do some bad stuff

L155[09:34:47] <JVFoxy> either way, bad actions by only a few people, results in punishment for the many that actually take the hobby to heart, and are already pretty careful about things

L156[09:35:28] <Fluburtur> hobby peoples care more about safety than politicians who just want to restrict stuff

L157[09:35:40] <Fluburtur> if they were in charge of such things they would be less problems

L158[09:36:09] <JVFoxy> parents got me a Parrot Mk1 drone... bad enough I can't control it (wifi+cellphone parents got me, cutting out all the time, ugh) the camera is really good quality, just wish... well.. sigh.

L159[09:37:59] <JVFoxy> would have preferred regular radio. They went wifi because of wanting to also include crazy amount of protection stuffs. Ie: track where it flies, whats happened if it crashes so it can be reported/blackbox thing. geo fencing so it won't fly near airports, identification...

L160[09:38:34] <Fluburtur> yeah, hobby stuff has no geofencing or stuff like that because everyone knows it is pointless

L161[09:38:50] <Althego> you dont need to see his identification

L162[09:38:52] <Fluburtur> but we do have blackbox and crap like that for post flight analysis

L163[09:39:02] <Althego> these are not the rc planes you are looking for

L164[09:39:18] <JVFoxy> suppose to already put name, address and contact clearly marked on drone if I recall

L165[09:39:19] <Izaya> I'd suggest turning up the TX power but I've seen what that can do to a WRT54GL

L166[09:39:47] <JVFoxy> someone told me once, only people that fly with radios with cameras anyways are those that drone race

L167[09:39:47] <Fluburtur> it is required by law to put your address on planes but it makes sense in case you lose them

L168[09:40:09] <Fluburtur> also for power, I use 868mhz at 250mw so plenty there

L169[09:40:51] <JVFoxy> 2.4ghz for my parrot... though the fact it won't go more than 20 meters or so before looses radio connection and just comes down anyways..

L170[09:41:30] <JVFoxy> I only have a flip phone.. parents bought a smart phone for the drone, probably the cheapest they could find

L171[09:42:02] <Fluburtur> wifi stuff is pure crap usually

L172[09:42:03] <JVFoxy> I would have loved to use the laptop but.. some reason control software throws a fit when I try installing it

L173[09:42:28] <JVFoxy> no idea what it means by 'insufficient credentials'.. :\

L174[09:42:49] <Izaya> Run the installer as admin

L175[09:44:43] <JVFoxy> ok.. had thought of that. only machien I have that has windows 10. Originally thought because of lack of GPS device

L176[09:46:04] <JVFoxy> its been a while.. might have changed. was the only software the drone would work with. Sometimes if it wasn't installed right, ended up with advertising program instead of the actual controller program.

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L181[10:29:13] <Fluburtur> might have found out stuff

L182[10:29:43] <Fluburtur> the flight controller software had a max throttle setting of 1700 out of 2000, which means the autopilot couldnt go to max power

L183[10:29:57] <Fluburtur> and cruise throttle was at 1400 so I set it to 1600

L184[10:30:06] <Fluburtur> minmum throttle is 1000 btw

L185[10:34:00] <JVFoxy> huh

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L190[11:07:40] <Fluburtur> it is because of the old servo protocol

L191[11:08:08] <Fluburtur> that use a pwm signal that is between 1 and 2 millisecond

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L199[12:28:32] <Althego> hah scott

L200[12:28:43] <Althego> finally i catch an upload

L201[12:28:55] <Althego> and he explains stuff i already know

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L203[12:49:12] <Althego> days unyil next year counter in nick

L204[12:52:19] <darsie> Nigar survived the impact on Kerbins Mountains, but died in the following slide where she picked up excessive speed.

L205[12:54:51] <Althego> lol

L206[12:56:03] <darsie> That's not funny! :)

L207[12:59:09] <darsie> Negar*

L208[13:02:18] <Eddi|zuHause> close, but no negar?

L209[13:02:40] <Eddi|zuHause> i feel somewhat uncomforable trying to type that name

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L211[13:03:34] <Althego> hehe

L212[13:03:46] <Althego> it was worse with i

L213[13:03:56] <Eddi|zuHause> not really

L214[13:04:55] <APlayer> As any mathematician will confirm, there is nothing worse than i. Other than, perhaps, stochastic theory.

L215[13:05:02] <APlayer> :P

L216[13:05:11] <Althego> lol

L217[13:05:57] <Althego> the icky thing touches you. you feel your backpack lighter

L218[13:06:33] <APlayer> Some mathematicians will, however, argue that there is a certain probability to meet a mathematician who is in favor of stochastic theory. So be careful.

L219[13:06:42] <Althego> hehe

L220[13:06:59] <Althego> draw a stick figure comic for this and it can be xkcd

L221[13:07:30] <APlayer> A title text of one, at most

L222[13:07:32] <Althego> the king lich touches you. you feel your life draining away

L223[13:07:48] <Althego> you are now level x. you lost a spell.

L224[13:08:02] <APlayer> What is that about?

L225[13:08:14] <Althego> i was the symbol for icky thing in dungeons of moria

L226[13:08:22] <Althego> and it had an ugly property that it stole your food

L227[13:08:46] <Althego> but king lich was a lot worse because it drained xp, ultimately levels, and speels you learnt with it

L228[13:09:17] <darsie> Why does KSP give the tourists chutes? Do they think I can't get them down safely? http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot16.png

L229[13:09:36] <Althego> lol

L230[13:09:42] <Althego> strange

L231[13:09:49] <Althego> chutes shouldnt be there until 3 stars

L232[13:09:57] <Althego> also you cant get tourists out normally

L233[13:10:06] <Althego> unless maybe if you can put them in a command seat

L234[13:10:09] <darsie> I'm not nomal :).

L235[13:10:13] <darsie> I do.

L236[13:10:46] <Althego> this may be happening since the possibility of starting in command seat patch

L237[13:11:03] <Althego> i bet they never thought this woud happen

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L239[13:19:12] <darsie> Elon doing the open space ride, incase you forgot about it: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot21.png

L240[13:19:56] <Althego> elon kerman?

L241[13:20:07] <darsie> yep

L242[13:20:14] <darsie> Should have opened his window.

L243[13:20:28] * darsie launches Elon again ...

L244[13:22:52] <raptop> Oh, good. Elon is reusable.

L245[13:23:22] <Althego> obvious, he has multiple kids :)

L246[13:23:53] <raptop> uh, not that kind of launch.

L247[13:28:17] <darsie> When I saw him in orbit I had to rescue him :) http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot23.png

L248[13:29:02] <Althego> why dont you close the notifications? you have 115 already. it annoys me if there is any number there

L249[13:29:32] <darsie> hmm

L250[13:29:43] <darsie> too lazy?

L251[13:30:13] <Althego> if some people forked jenkins, they should name it leeroy :)

L252[13:30:27] <darsie> explain

L253[13:30:30] <Althego> in fact why hasnt this happened, just for the joke?

L254[13:31:24] <Althego> jenkins is t his... well, auto buil-test, whatever system. leeroy jenkins is of course a meme already

L255[13:31:36] <darsie> hmm, ok.

L256[13:38:23] <darsie> Elon smiling above KSC: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot27.png

L257[13:39:33] <Fluburtur> I can get pitch and roll angle on my HUD

L258[13:39:34] <Fluburtur> nice

L259[13:42:37] <Fluburtur> uh, I just went to adjust the position of some HUD elements and I added like 3

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L266[14:02:07] <Eddi|zuHause> what's in the KSP update that doesn't have a news post on steam?

L267[14:02:51] <Althego> lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwkWDscUYAA3H_6.jpg:large

L268[14:03:19] <Althego> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwkEM0zV4AA3H4q.jpg:large

L269[14:05:26] <Althego> what can be, mostly tiny patches

L270[14:05:35] <Althego> https://i.redd.it/tixmgz8z4y821.jpg

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L272[14:08:36] <Althego> here, for the lazy https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/1.6.1

L273[14:09:56] <Althego> hehehe thunderf00t: ... i'm gonna turn that into the worlds smallest flamethrower

L274[14:10:11] <Althego> sounds about right, the internet wants to see that

L275[14:10:25] <Althego> maybe next to the world smallest violin

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L278[14:32:06] <Fluburtur> what is the hypa around that otamatone thing, it is just a square wave generator

L279[14:32:15] <Fluburtur> and looks like a bootleg modulin

L280[14:32:23] <Althego> hehe

L281[14:32:30] <Althego> may have been there before the mofulin

L282[14:32:38] <Gasher> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXIDN11fYyY

L283[14:32:38] <kmath> YouTube - Otamatone - Chocobo theme

L284[14:32:47] <Althego> this guy is hilarious https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk-PPUZtKgj-GuyVaXSrhVQ/videos

L285[14:34:32] <Fluburtur> develloped in 1998 apparently

L286[14:34:40] <Fluburtur> but became a thing last year

L287[14:34:42] <Fluburtur> oke then

L288[14:35:35] <Fluburtur> but it is a toy while the modulin is a legit synth

L289[14:35:46] <Gasher> i'd say i saw otomatones for a few years

L290[14:35:58] <Althego> yes i have seen them some years ago

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L292[14:47:19] <Fluburtur> uh, the new update of google chrome doesnt want to let me put stuff in full screen

L293[14:50:23] <darsie> youtube?

L294[14:50:32] <Fluburtur> all video things

L295[14:50:44] <Fluburtur> youtube has a shortcut so it works but using the button on the UI doesnt

L296[14:54:00] <Fluburtur> apparently F works for fullscreen for most things

L297[14:54:04] <Fluburtur> I hope they will fix that

L298[14:54:18] <Althego> also pays respects É)

L299[15:01:48] <Althego> eh, one was today. ok i could have gone there anyway, too far https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/events/lectures_archive.php?year=2019&month=1

L300[15:02:17] <Althego> could not

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L303[15:07:16] <dlrk> Does MechJeb have any tool for looking at intake air requirements in the SPH?

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L310[15:55:54] <Arrow2323> Hi all, I recently tried to download KSP again, its been a while since I did and there is nothing under my Purchased Products. I bought KSP years ago and never had trouble Downloading it from my account page until now. I sent support a message but haven't herd back, I was just curious if this was a known issue or just me.

L311[15:57:57] <raptop> I've heard of some issues in the past, but don't know the details.

L312[15:58:15] <raptop> Vague random guess: did you ever transfer your account to Steam?

L313[15:59:28] <Arrow2323> I don't think so, its been a while and ive always gone through the website in the past. but I cant be sure, its not on my steam account and if I transferred it I cant imagine I wouldn't have added it immediately.

L314[15:59:53] <raptop> Ah.

L315[16:00:34] <Arrow2323> do you know how long support typically takes to respond?

L316[16:01:51] <raptop> It seems highly variable. At least it was when I was last chasing some download problems.

L317[16:02:37] <raptop> Like, I'd poke them on Monday if they haven't responded by then (or maybe today or tomorrow if your email was a few days back), but beyond that unsure.

L318[16:02:46] <raptop> gah, sorry about being so vague

L319[16:04:03] <Arrow2323> No worries, I sent it a few hours ago. Ill just have to find something else to do. thanks for responding.

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L329[17:30:02] <Guest55746> ,uc

L330[17:30:04] <Guest55746> ygujtm

L331[17:30:05] <Guest55746> ]mugo7diom

L332[17:30:06] <Guest55746> f8k9.0,o,

L333[17:30:07] <Guest55746> =]-o[/p8/7=

L334[17:30:08] <Guest55746> O_})7

L335[17:30:16] <whales> ok

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L337[17:33:26] <UmbralRaptop> …

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L340[18:45:06] <UmbralRaptop> https://twitter.com/sbisson/status/1083419886821523456

L341[18:45:07] <kmath> <✔sbisson> Ooooh. A non-paywalled version of AC Streng's classic paper on reacting FOOF (DiOxygen DiFlouride) with all sorts o… https://t.co/cwafY3BUCz

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L353[19:43:33] <lordcirth> What's a good mod for 0.625m rocket parts?

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L355[20:32:42] <mabus> if you were a npc what loot would you drop when killed

L356[20:35:20] <lordcirth> mabus, a spell scroll of Contingency, owned for years and never used

L357[20:41:12] <UmbralRaptor> 1x ? (cursed), 2x compute nodes (very cursed)

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L361[21:12:50] <UmbralRaptor> Apparently so cursed that no one else will answer.

L362[21:19:39] <Izaya> half a keyboard

L363[21:20:10] <Izaya> A quest item which begins a quest to assemble a keyboard, different each time

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L365[21:27:53] <UmbralRaptor> Rewards include a Dvorak IBM Model F.

L366[21:36:31] <UmbralRaptor> Ryugu topography https://twitter.com/haya2e_jaxa/status/1082952972181458944

L367[21:36:32] <kmath> <haya2e_jaxa> The names for topographic features on Ryugu’s surface have been decided. The theme is “Names that appear in stories… https://t.co/vqaPsrOhR6

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L374[22:28:03] <senray> Got a spaceplane question: How do I prevent the plane from spawning on the runway with it's nose in the air?

L375[22:28:11] <senray> Is this just a matter of being too tailheavy?

L376[22:30:14] <lordcirth> senray, spawning that way, or immediately tilting back? It should spawn however it was in the SPH.

L377[22:30:25] <lordcirth> But check CoM vs your rear wheels.

L378[22:30:58] <UmbralRaptop> ^

L379[22:32:02] <senray> immediately tilting back

L380[22:32:26] <senray> CoM must be equal to or forward of rear wheels?

L381[22:32:26] <lordcirth> Then yeah, your wheels and/or CoM are positioned wrong

L382[22:32:34] <lordcirth> slightly forward of

L383[22:32:54] <lordcirth> You want it to sit flat on the runway, but still be able to pitch up to take off

L384[22:34:02] <senray> Ok.

L385[22:34:06] <UmbralRaptop> Yeah, if you had a table with CoM outside of the legs, it would fall over. >_>

L386[22:34:17] <senray> Am I mistaken in thinking that real aircraft can have a fairly aft CG?

L387[22:34:56] <UmbralRaptop> Depends, but somewhat.

L388[22:35:33] <senray> but it's always forward of the most rear wheels?

L389[22:35:43] <UmbralRaptop> Yes

L390[22:35:50] <senray> huh

L391[22:35:55] <senray> Learned something new!

L392[22:36:15] <senray> it should have been obvious to me, but now I know

L393[22:36:18] <UmbralRaptop> If they have a relatively far forward CoM, then the rear wheels may be close to the middle of the aircraft.

L394[22:37:36] <senray> huh

L395[22:37:56] <senray> and now back to the usual stage of figuring why it yaws all over the runway lol

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L397[22:44:59] <senray> pretty easy this time lol

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L399[23:16:03] <Ezko> senray: if you look at planes it's pretty easy to figure out where the CG is by looking at where the main gear is and where the wings are

L400[23:16:09] <Ezko> except for tail draggers

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