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L13[03:26:44] <Mat2ch> Where's Fluburtur,
when I have a creepy technical video for him? Ts
L14[03:26:46] <Mat2ch> :D
L15[03:27:00] <Althego> hehe
L17[03:30:33] <kmath> YouTube - TORTURE ME
ELMO, Modified Elmo To Sing Like an Angel
L18[03:30:48] <Althego> ah i know this
guy
L19[03:30:56] <Althego> the one with the
furby organ
L20[03:31:46] <Mat2ch> jep
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L31[06:13:41] <kmath> YouTube - GPS III
Space Vehicle 01
L32[06:14:06] <Rolf> 97 min bah
L33[06:14:21] <Rolf> if i still feel like
wtch by then ill watch lol
L34[06:14:25] <Althego> yes but it can live
among the tabs and when it starts i will hear the music
L35[06:20:28] <Rolf> true heh
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L41[07:36:21] <Althego> music on
L42[07:38:06] <Mat2ch> jep
L43[07:38:17] <Mat2ch> will we see it
launch today? Who knows? :D
L44[07:39:29] <Mat2ch> aaaaand stream error
for me
L45[07:39:31] <Mat2ch> wow
L46[07:40:32] <Althego> power on :)
L47[07:41:02] <Mat2ch> and now
buffering
L48[07:41:11] <Mat2ch> wow, youtube,
wow.
L49[07:41:12] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch that dude
should make some music with Martin
L50[07:41:23] <Althego> hehe
L51[07:41:26] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: that
would be scary... :D
L52[07:41:35] <Althego> that would be
strange
L53[07:41:43] <Mat2ch> "An error
occurred. Please try again later"
L54[07:41:48] <Mat2ch> wow, youtube,
wow.
L55[07:41:50] <Althego> they could create a
musical black hole
L56[07:41:57] <Fluburtur> that would be
cool
L57[07:43:06] <Mat2ch> ok, I'm switching to
mpv.
L58[07:43:15] <Mat2ch> and suddenly, no
stream errors.
L59[07:44:18] <Mat2ch> Stream is starting
for real now
L60[07:50:45] <Althego> do it
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L62[08:00:33] <APlayer> That ice on the
thruster (or is that a vent?)
L63[08:00:53] <APlayer> Looked cool anyways
(no pun intended)
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L66[08:14:39] <Rolf> fanastic launch
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L69[08:57:09] <Althego> ignition coming
up
L70[09:11:46] <Althego> hehe, show me the
curve!
L71[09:11:48] <Althego> there it is
L72[09:12:06] <Althego> they have live
coverage from higher up
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L77[09:42:14] <Althego> too bad the live
stream is not pointing now at the earth, because is passed 7000 km
already
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L79[09:47:21] <Althego> deployment coming
up
L80[09:49:49] <Althego> hah there it is,
the earth
L81[09:49:54] <Althego> the separation
camera shows it
L82[09:50:09] <Althego> and succesful
separation
L83[09:50:29] <Althego> idiots, keep
showing earth
L84[09:50:41] <Althego> you could make a tv
channel just from that
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L98[10:49:25] <Eddi|zuHause> i never
managed to learn to read the navball which direction i'm
leaning
L99[10:50:53] <Eddi|zuHause> to the
original question: just imagine it were you facing strong winds,
would you lean with the wind or against the wind?
L100[10:50:54] <darsie> I manage to figure
out which way to turn to get to normal/antinormal attitude with the
navball. Sort of.
L101[10:51:50] <Eddi|zuHause> whenever i
plan a plane change node, i always manage to pick the wrong
direction
L102[10:52:09] <Althego> simple, east is
right on the launchpad
L103[10:52:23] <darsie> normal/antinormal
is weird on retrograd orbits.
L104[10:53:03] <Eddi|zuHause> that's not
even the problem i'm facing
L105[10:53:22] <Althego> the usual problem
is the navball does not show the camera direction
L106[10:53:59] <darsie> It's a navball. It
doesn't change when you turn your head.
L107[10:54:24] <Althego> that is the
problem
L108[10:54:46] <Althego> so if you want to
move towards to or away from a surface feature, which key you need
to press?
L109[10:54:56] <Althego> uknown, because
the camera is nurelated to the navball
L110[10:55:11] <Althego> highly important
during rocket landing
L111[10:57:25] <darsie> I'd plan to
overshoot a surface feature and then fire retrograde to shorten the
trajectory so I land where I want.
L112[10:58:00] <darsie> KER has a useful
impact marker.
L113[10:58:43] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure KER
has so many features i don't even know about
L114[10:59:40] <darsie> fire
normal/antinormal to correct laterally.
L115[10:59:48] <Eddi|zuHause> the last
time i had a prolem with the navball, where i was facing the
docking port indicator, but neither prograde nor retrograde were
visible, so i didn't know which button to press to move the
prograde marker
L116[11:00:25] <darsie> Or mix
normal/antinormal with retrograde if you're close or
advanced.
L117[11:00:35] <Eddi|zuHause>
<darsie> fire normal/antinormal to correct laterally. <--
but you have no buttons to fire RCS normal/antinormal
L118[11:01:27] <Eddi|zuHause> (also, i
would definitely press the wrong one)
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L120[11:03:07] <Althego> elon and the
tesla fart sounds. "Please put “invented car fart” on my
gravestone. This is my only request."
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L122[11:03:48] <KrazyKrl> "Falcon
Heavy" fart... lol.
L123[11:04:06] <Althego> all of the names
have some other meaning
L126[11:04:49] <KrazyKrl> romance mode
though...
L127[11:05:31] <Eddi|zuHause> do i really
want to click on a random link containing the word
"fart"?
L128[11:05:59] <KrazyKrl> you know you
will anyhow.
L129[11:06:10] <Althego> with an update
pushed to teslas now the car can make a variety of fart
sounds
L130[11:06:20] <Althego> and their names
are elon musk related
L131[11:06:21] <Eddi|zuHause> also, in
many germanic languages, that word actually means
"drive"
L132[11:06:23] <Althego> mnostly
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L134[11:07:01] <Eddi|zuHause> also, does
anyone want to know what i think a "heavy fart" means?
:p
L135[11:07:14] <Althego> and because of
this the ausfahrt roadsigns seemed invredibly funny to some
people
L136[11:07:31] <Althego> hwhw no
L137[11:07:53] <KrazyKrl> soon: "I
left my kid in my tesla for 5 minutes while i picked up something.
Now my brake pedal farts every time I press it, how do i disable
this?"
L138[11:08:03] <Althego> hehe
L139[11:08:14] <Eddi|zuHause> you
misspelle JHWH
L140[11:08:23] <Eddi|zuHause> and i
misspelled misspelled
L141[11:08:47] <KrazyKrl>
missspellings?
L142[11:08:53] <Althego> no it is
hehe
L143[11:09:11] <Mat2ch> .oO( anyone in
Germany in need of a Tesla Model 3? )
L144[11:09:28] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty
sure there is a law that says "every statement that attempts
to correct a misspelling contains a misspelling"
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L147[11:18:44] <KrazyKrl> ebery stabment
mubst cobtain ab bleast twob ob tbe becond lebber ob be
albhabet.
L149[11:18:58] <kmath> YouTube -
Unreleased Demo From 2015
L150[11:20:01] <Althego> no noise in the
middle of the forest
L151[11:21:01] <Eddi|zuHause> it's fake!
in the left screen half he opens the door with the left hand, but
in the right side he uses the right hand
L152[11:21:27] <KrazyKrl> but if there is
no noise, how will he ever aquire the funk?!
L153[11:21:59] <Eddi|zuHause> if there is
no noise, how do you know if the tree fell?
L154[11:22:11] <Fluburtur> yes that is
emerson, I have been listening to that a lot
L155[11:22:40] <KrazyKrl> Eddi|zuHause:
Trees follow Toy Story rules.
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L158[11:30:36] <Althego> hehe, in bttf:
make like a tree and get outta here
L159[11:33:46] <Eddi|zuHause> KrazyKrl: or
weeping angel rules?
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L162[11:47:15] <Eddi|zuHause> (now that i
think about it, is there a "conspiracy" video that toy
story characters are weeping angels?)
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L166[11:50:48] <Althego> there is a
channel, the film theorist, with wild conspiracy like stuff about
content of movies
L167[11:53:17] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's
the kind of stuff i meant
L169[11:57:41] <Althego> hehe, is that
intentional?
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L171[11:59:29] <flub2> yes
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L176[12:16:16] <kmath> YouTube - noel
akbar
L177[12:18:41] <Mat2ch> flub2: ...
L178[12:19:17] <KrazyKrl> I feel
violated... as if 300 montage parodies screamed out in terror, then
fell silent.
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L189[12:49:01] <Pakaran> Hi :)
L190[12:49:29] <JVFoxy> Mmmm.. ellos
L191[12:49:53] <Pakaran> just getting back
into playing over the holidays, after a long break. and the game
gave me a contract to get 3 tourists into orbit, the most I've had
in this save. I'm going to go for 4 passengers, to train a
scientist as well
L192[12:50:03] <Pakaran> (and because I
don't have any odd capacity parts, but yeah).
L193[12:50:32] <Pakaran>
https://imgur.com/a/S63ZDRn does this look
reasonable? the listed delta-V is a *slight* underestimate since I
throttle the swivel down to off or nearly so from 2-3 km up until
booster burnout.
L195[12:50:35] <Althego> the basic cabin
is 1 person, so that is odd :)
L196[12:50:49] <Pakaran> oh, tourism+, so
I need to have a pilot aboard :)
L197[12:50:52] <Althego> this is going to
crash
L198[12:51:01] <Althego> first of all too
heavy for 1 parachute
L199[12:51:05] <Pakaran> why?
L200[12:51:10] <Pakaran> Oh crud,
thanks.
L201[12:51:14] <Althego> second too heavy
for the atmosphere to slow it down
L202[12:51:22] <Althego> so add one of
those tiny reds
L203[12:51:46] <Pakaran> reds?
L204[12:52:00] <Althego> the tiny red
parachute
L205[12:52:08] <Althego> can open at
around 500 or so
L206[12:52:18] <Althego> otherwise it is
going to hit the ground
L207[12:52:28] <Althego> because you cant
iopen the parachutes at high speed
L208[12:52:57] <JVFoxy> once had 5
tourists to orbit..
L209[12:54:01] <JVFoxy> although, I also
had a few other tourist contracts show up all at the same time. I
kind of launched I think 10-12 people at once
L210[12:54:19] <Althego> hehe that is the
best
L211[12:55:42] <Pakaran> hmm
L212[12:59:55] <JVFoxy> trying to find my
kerbin system cruise ship
L213[13:00:53] <Pakaran> I just checked,
and while I do have the 90 cost tech that gives the basic 2.5m
engines, such as the poodle and skipper, I don't have the tanks to
go with them. I'm pretty sure I could afford it if I made one or
two research flights, which I can make self-funding (and could
afford to completely eat the cost of in any case).
L214[13:01:33] <Pakaran> So, I was
thinking, would it make a difference if I removed the boosters,
replaced the swivel with a skipper, and added more fuel to the
first stage?
L215[13:01:51] <Pakaran> still wouldn't
help slowing down, of course. But long term, that might make sense
to test out.. hmm
L216[13:02:26] <UmbralRaptop> Skipper has
better TWR and Isp than the Swivel, right?
L217[13:03:47] <UmbralRaptop> So you'd end
up with a larger/more expensive liquid fuelled stage, but it would
be more capable. Certainly SSTO capable with appropriate
tankage.
L218[13:03:52] <Althego> skipper is a bif
diameter
L219[13:03:59] <Althego> and more
expensive
L220[13:04:38] <Pakaran> and heavier,
yeah.
L221[13:05:02] <Pakaran> well, I play
moderate, but with normal money scaling. so for example for this 3
tourist mission, I'm making 70K or something like that.
L222[13:05:14] <Althego> i would go with
somewhat higher fuel, grab high orbit science too
L223[13:05:38] <Pakaran> so I can add
quite a lot of safety engineering, or extra stuff, and still make a
200%+ profit on build cost.
L224[13:07:23] <Pakaran> hmm, yeah. I
don't think I've done much high orbit science, if any, and it's not
that expensive.
L225[13:07:44] <darsie> Dart is nice for
SSTO, but can't lift heavy loads.
L226[13:11:21] <Pakaran> I haven't ever
really gotten into planes.
L227[13:12:44] <darsie> They are tricky to
build well.
L228[13:16:41] <Pakaran> hmm, I could also
do the contract to flyby Iota, the question is how much mass I'd
need for life support.
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L230[13:21:53] <Pakaran> thanks...
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L232[13:22:32] <Pakaran> I'll do that with
fewer tourists. But high orbit makes sense.
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L234[13:24:47] <JVFoxy> uff.. had to afk..
but now back.. found pic
L235[13:25:12] <kubi> morning
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L239[13:28:22] <Althego> i landed on the
mun once with an orbital tourist. that one was part of a compound
tourist mission
L240[13:28:31] <Althego> with several
contracts
L241[13:30:29] <Pakaran> yeah, sometimes
it's just cheaper to haul them all along.
L242[13:31:41] <JVFoxy> got a craft for
kerbin-mun/minmus landing, that has a couple of extra seats.. just
in case... tourists.. rescues..
L243[13:32:04] <Pakaran> also, with a
Poodle second stage, it doesn't end up that expensive.
L244[13:32:19] <JVFoxy> problem is...
can't be too far from equator, not enough fuel. though did place
fuel station in mun orbit as part of an experiment.
L245[13:32:30] <Althego> btw the new
poodle doesnt do roll
L246[13:32:38] <Althego> because the
double nozzle assembly gimbals
L247[13:32:41] <Althego> the whole
thing
L248[13:32:47] <Pakaran> hmm
L249[13:32:55] <Pakaran> I'm playing 1.3
currently, but good to know.
L250[13:33:12] <Pakaran> I do have a
current stock install just because I bought Making History and
wanted to try it.
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L252[13:43:07] <JVFoxy> really nice career
going back in my 1.2... I should see about going back to it
sometime before I completely forget what I was doing
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L257[14:09:30] <JVFoxy> ... muske...
starship.. umm.. original much?
L258[14:10:24] <Althego> now spaceship
with fart sounds?
L259[14:10:57] <KrazyKrl> Falcon Heavy is
a class of fart on the Teslas.
L260[14:12:28] <JVFoxy> .... dropping big
ones out of the sky or .. eh.. anyways
L261[14:13:41] <KrazyKrl> Turn on the
car's romance mode... and slam the Falcon Heavy flatulence.
L262[14:18:24] <JVFoxy> drop the top.. oh
wait.. space
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L279[15:27:45] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Transform and blast off!
L280[15:28:25] *
raptop eyes the roton
L281[15:30:25] <Scolar_Visari>
Kerbalformers! Less than meets the eye! Kerbalformers! Rockets in
disguise!
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L285[15:34:42] <raptop> Most-anything can
be a rocket if you try hard enough.
L286[15:34:54] *
raptop hides the several MW laser.
L287[15:36:42] <Scolar_Visari> If it
ejects mass to move, IT'S A ROCKET. But only if it's using the
local atmosphere in an airbreathing configuration.
L288[15:37:19] <Scolar_Visari> My
flashlight is also a rocket, but a very terrible one with a maximum
delta-v.
L289[15:37:32] <Scolar_Visari> comparable
to that of a baby fart.
L290[15:38:13] <darsie> it has maximum
v_e, but low dv.
L291[15:38:19] <raptop> hrm. Suddenly I'm
curious as to the dV of a typical flashlight.
L292[15:38:59] <darsie> mm/s, IIRC
L293[15:39:17] <darsie> LED
L294[15:40:07] <darsie> or mm/month?
L295[15:44:10] <raptop> very questionable
estimates: 48 kJ for a 0.02 kg battery, giving a mass ratio of
1.0000000000267
L296[15:44:28] <raptop> So, uh, 0.008
m/s
L297[15:44:34] <raptop> (assuming 100%
efficiency)
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L299[15:45:01] <Scolar_Visari> I think we
know what to use for space travel now. MiniMAGLITE
propulsion!
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L301[15:45:21] *
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L302[15:45:38] <raptop> It generaly helps
if your reaction mass is more than 27 ppt of your rocket
L303[15:46:23] <darsie> we need v_e >
c.
L304[15:46:23] <raptop> Hrm. How much dV
can you get out of a Guardsman's flashlight?
L305[15:46:43] <darsie> F=P/c, IIRC.
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L309[15:49:19] *
UmbralRaptop wants to say E = P*c unit-wise, p/c would just give a
mass.
L310[15:51:01] <Scolar_Visari> Raptop: The
output of a Cadia pattern Astra Militarum lasgun changes
dramatically based on the author. Some would have you think they're
Star Wars blasters.
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L312[15:51:32] <Scolar_Visari> Others
think they're ionizing wavelength laser weapons.
L313[15:52:01] <darsie> P/c, not
p/c.
L314[15:55:19] *
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L319[16:16:46] <darsie> v=E/(c*m)=3.7 V *
2 Ah / 3E8 / 0.1 kg = 8 mm/day
L320[16:17:03] <darsie> v=E/(c*m)=3.7 V *
2 Ah * 0.25 / 3E8 / 0.1 kg = 8 mm/day
L321[16:17:08] <darsie> 25%
efficiency
L322[16:17:25] <darsie> v=E/(c*m)=3.7 V *
3 Ah * 0.25 / 3E8 / 0.1 kg = 8 mm/day
L323[16:18:19] <darsie> dv of 18650 Li-ion
battery LED flashlight with 100 g.
L324[16:24:03] <flub2> how about a
laser
L325[16:24:22] <Scolar_Visari> Well, it's
still light.
L326[16:24:51] <darsie> Lasers are less
efficient.
L327[16:25:09] <UmbralRaptop> The laser
could be an LED ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L328[16:25:12] <darsie> You can use them
to power a space ship externally.
L329[16:25:52] <UmbralRaptop> Though, yes.
beamed power does wonders for your energy availability.
L330[16:28:38] *
Scolar_Visari ponders increasing laser efficiency by asking light
very nicely to queue up.
L331[16:29:17] <Scolar_Visari> "Ah, I
do say, my dear photons. Could you do an old chap a tremendous
favor and stimulate yourselves into a beam of coherent
light?"
L332[16:30:59] <darsie> coherence isn't
important in this case, IMHO.
L333[16:31:08] <darsie> Collimation
is.
L334[16:34:04] <darsie> v=E/(c*m)=3.7 V *
3 A * 3600 s * 0.25 / 3E8 / 0.1 kg * 86400 s/day = 28/day
L335[16:34:12] <darsie> forgot to turn h
to s.
L336[16:34:18] <darsie> 28 m/day,
wow
L337[16:35:37] <UmbralRaptop> *zoom*
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L340[16:41:50] <Scolar_Visari> Now pan
left.
L341[16:42:28] *
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L342[16:46:55] *
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reaction wheel spin and careens into the Earth's atmosphere at too
steep an angle, burning up like a snowflake on the cheek of a baby
but with more toxic hypergols.
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L344[16:49:39] <UmbralRaptop> D:
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L379[21:42:13] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Absence of evidence is not evidence of ancient
astronauts.
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L381[21:43:31] <UmbralRaptop> They were
very good at recycling.
L382[21:44:35] <Scolar_Visari> Though,
admittedly, it's not like we'd ever recover evidence of an
extraterrestrial visitor had they simply set foot on Earth without
permanent habitation.
L383[21:45:16] *
Scolar_Visari glares at the Hart-Tipler conjecture (AKA Fermi's
paradox) nonsense on the matter.
L384[21:47:59] <UmbralRaptop> Can I get
back to you in 20 years when we might have an estimate of how
common life is?
L385[21:48:08] <Scolar_Visari> I'm not
sure that would be enough time.
L386[21:48:14] <Scolar_Visari> Better set
it to 240 years.
L387[21:49:30] <UmbralRaptop> Vague
optimism about JWST and HabEx.
L388[21:49:54] <Scolar_Visari>
"Enrico Fermi assumed the existence of only one
extraterrestrial civilization capable of intersidereal travel"
NO HE DID NOT.
L389[21:50:14] <Scolar_Visari> "He
assumed that this civilization would be interested in the conquest
of the Galaxy" NO NO NO THAT IS NOT WHAT ENRICO SAID.
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L391[21:51:59] *
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missile with a tactical yield thermonuclear warhead.
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L393[21:53:26] <UmbralRaptop> Does the
missile build additional missiles to rapidly nuke the entire
planet?
L394[21:54:59] <Scolar_Visari> That's a
von Neumann von Doomsday Machine. The Fermi's Thermonuclear
anti-Fermi's Paradox TACMISSILE just detonates in an ethnically
questionable three stage explosion.
L395[21:55:14] <Scolar_Visari> Fermi, I
think, would approve . . . Maybe.
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L397[22:00:54] <Scolar_Visari> The whole
mischaracterization of Fermi's thoughts on the matter irritate me
to no end. It's like people's misconceptions regarding dark
matter.
L398[22:01:12] <JVFoxy> I think I came
across something that talked about various senario's about the
universe, regarding other life...
L399[22:01:32] <JVFoxy> one said, we might
just be the first.. another said we could be the last, all the
others already died off
L400[22:02:14] <UmbralRaptop>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L401[22:02:28] <Scolar_Visari> All
possibilities, but all difficult to investigate. Hart & Tipler
went ahead and strongly claimed (if not strongly supported, really)
that if there existed any other alien civilizations in the galaxy
before humanity, they would be here right now.
L402[22:02:56] <JVFoxy> they might be out
there, just so stupidly far away
L403[22:03:10] <UmbralRaptop> Basically,
other depends on your assumptions about planet formation,
habitability time, GRBs,…
L404[22:03:57] <Scolar_Visari> That was,
amusingly, what Enrico Fermi was originally espousing: That
interstellar travel was sufficiently difficult to make a physical
presence beyond their home star system unlikely.
L407[22:04:52] <Scolar_Visari> Hart &
Tipler directly claimed that any civilization capable of
spaceflight would inevitably settle the entire galaxy down to the
last star system.
L408[22:05:17] <JVFoxy> depends on method
of spaceflight...
L409[22:05:30] <JVFoxy> we've yet to pass
our moon, crewed spaceflight wise
L410[22:06:11] <Scolar_Visari> To be
blunt, there's not really that good an argument for settling an
entire galaxy outside of an overtly long Star Wars LARP.
L411[22:06:32] <JVFoxy> looking at many
many generations
L412[22:07:05] <JVFoxy> new horizons about
to reach its next target...
L413[22:07:31] <JVFoxy> got me thinking..
it took voyager series to get past Pluto in how long? New Horizons
only left 2006
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L416[22:07:52] *
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of Pluto.
L417[22:10:37] <UmbralRaptop> If Voyager 1
had done the Pluto flyby, it would have been in early 1989,right?
(so before the Neptune one)
L418[22:10:58] <JVFoxy> even if it did go
by.. there was talk about complications with taking pictures out
there with the camera system it had
L419[22:11:31] <UmbralRaptop> Eh, at the
time Pluto was marginally closer than Neptune
L420[22:11:35] <JVFoxy> think on one of
the other planets, they had to rewrite the imaging software so it
could track and expose the vidcons long enough to get a good enough
image
L421[22:12:02] <UmbralRaptop> Definitely
Neptune, possibly Uranus
L422[22:12:05] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy:
What's funny is that Horizon's camera is stationary.
L423[22:12:20] <JVFoxy> scolar_visari
Horizon's camera is also a way different tech
L424[22:12:38] <JVFoxy> 1970s they used
tube cameras... they use CCD cameras now
L425[22:12:39] <Scolar_Visari> The biggest
problem with the Voyagers' cameras was the mounting.
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L427[22:13:29] <JVFoxy> they did have a
slight gimble problem, but that was resolved for most part. backup
was they'd move the spacecraft as a whole instead
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L429[22:15:48] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: I'd almost forgotten about that silly non-planet's
minimum orbital distance.
L430[22:16:24] <UmbralRaptop> It's all
Neptune's fault.
L431[22:17:25] <JVFoxy> I figure..
anything that far out, easier to knock things a little
weird..
L432[22:17:49] <JVFoxy> some theories
saying that planets out there weren't in the same orbits they had
eons ago
L433[22:18:27] <Scolar_Visari> Hah! Pluto
was previously at perihelion in 1989, indeed making it closer to
the Sun than Neptune
L434[22:18:57] <UmbralRaptop> closer:
~1979-1999
L435[22:19:00] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy: I'd
say nearly all reputable theories argue that, as the chaotic nature
of planetary orbits was apparent when Newton was still alive.
L436[22:19:38] <Scolar_Visari> The Solar
System, unlike Kerbal Space Program, does not run on rails and two
body physics alone.
L437[22:19:58] <Scolar_Visari> It using a
pre-release version of Principia.
L438[22:20:13] <UmbralRaptop> Lots of
movement early on, but the larger bodies are probably stable for
the remaining lifetime of the sun.
L439[22:20:52] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Tell that to poor Triton or wherever Saturn's rings
came from!
L440[22:21:21] <UmbralRaptop>
Scolar_Visari: meh, just moons
L441[22:21:24] <JVFoxy> scolar_visari
closer debris sucked in, further out, rings spread away more
L442[22:21:36] *
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L443[22:21:51] <JVFoxy> then again... our
moon is slowly getting away. And mar's moonlets are both diving in
and out at the same time
L444[22:21:51] <Scolar_Visari> Moons are
celestial bodies too!
L445[22:22:56] <JVFoxy> turns out, tidal
forces are tugging demos in, and pushing phobos away
L446[22:23:05] <UmbralRaptop> uh
L447[22:23:23] <UmbralRaptop> I think you
flipped the moons?
L448[22:23:45] <JVFoxy> er ya.. sorry
meant other way
L449[22:23:48] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: All those Martian moons look the same.
L450[22:24:13] <JVFoxy> I hadn't looked at
htem till recently... forgot which was which... other than the
order I mention them
L451[22:24:39] <Scolar_Visari> Deimos was
the one destroyed by the United Nations, Phobos was not.
L452[22:25:18] <JVFoxy> I just know that
the inner one is moving pretty fast, like a low orbit satellite,
the other so far out, its like our own moon in a way
L453[22:25:31] <UmbralRaptop> UAC
accidentally sent Deimos to hell, Phobos stayed
L454[22:25:51] <Scolar_Visari> More like
our Moon than you might think, as both were almost certainly the
product of debris from an impactor.
L455[22:26:08] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Hell came to Phobos.
L456[22:26:23] <JVFoxy> setting i had in
RPG.. colonists of mars mined one fo the moons completely.
L457[22:26:24] <UmbralRaptop> fair
L459[22:27:38] <Scolar_Visari> Sadly, it's
likely that Phobos and Deimos don't have much water as was once
speculated for the same reasons the Moon doesn't have much.
L460[22:31:46] <JVFoxy> speaking of
cameras....
L461[22:32:07] <JVFoxy> found site of
spacecraft cameras since the 60-70s... anyone interested
L462[22:32:18] <UmbralRaptop> sure
L463[22:32:36] <UmbralRaptop> Also, MRO
> *
L464[22:34:26] *
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observations.
L468[22:37:23] <UmbralRaptop> Yay,
feathered raptors.
L469[22:40:32] <Scolar_Visari> And the
dinosauroid project is resumed! Huzzah!
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