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L3[00:38:13] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m3lmfQpK8c
L4[00:38:13] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX - Rise Of The Machines
L5[00:38:19] <Althego> hehe rise of the machines
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L12[02:17:39] <Eddi|zuHause> so, attempt number well-i-should-probably-not-make-this-any-hotter-and-also-i-dropped-a-screw-and-can't-find-it
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L14[02:22:39] <Fluburtur> https://66.media.tumblr.com/512635bdb1f55c56135d42e6bdac4029/tumblr_pjn5r0ZBgq1qz581wo1_540.png
L15[02:22:58] <Fluburtur> https://66.media.tumblr.com/f46246cb40a3c3f2bb91fdb2a30b0114/tumblr_pjn5r0ZBgq1qz581wo2_400.png
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L19[02:40:00] <Eddi|zuHause> nope, won't happen :/
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L24[02:53:10] <Althego> haha yellies, what an evil genious
L25[02:53:31] <Althego> -o
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L51[06:07:58] <Helen91> Hey
L52[06:08:09] <Althego> hi
L53[06:08:12] <Mod9000> Hello, Althego
L54[06:08:27] <Althego> argh, i hate when the bot does that
L55[06:08:45] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/-3WuQxnA7Hg
L56[06:08:45] <kmath> YouTube - How to Read Sheet Music
L57[06:15:27] <Althego> heh this is not even drilling anymore. more like jackhammer
L58[06:15:37] <Althego> cant listen to videos
L59[06:31:26] <r4m0n> OPS, spam warning on Helen91
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L61[06:31:43] <Althego> oh should have known
L62[06:31:55] <Althego> female name and random numbers
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L68[08:04:50] <darsie> 91 is not a random number.
L69[08:05:28] <darsie> It's her IQ.
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L72[08:32:23] <Eddi|zuHause> <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/-3WuQxnA7Hg <-- well, he's not wrong :p
L73[08:32:24] <kmath> YouTube - How to Read Sheet Music
L74[08:37:16] <Eddi|zuHause> IQs are basically random numbers...
L75[08:37:31] <Eddi|zuHause> (just not evenly distributed)
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L79[10:22:09] <Mat2ch> http://madebyevan.com/webgl-water/ woah
L80[10:22:14] <Mat2ch> I want that water in KSP :P
L81[10:27:40] <hoglahoo> loool that gravity toggle
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L85[11:20:47] <petti> works nicely on the phone but... space bar is a problem :)
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L90[12:17:30] <UmbralRaptop> https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2018-285
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L94[13:14:07] <Eddi|zuHause> is that intended to be 3fps water?
L95[13:14:49] <Althego> hehe
L96[13:15:00] <Althego> it works quite well on this 9 year old pc
L97[13:15:09] <Althego> (still on win7 because of prototype)
L98[13:15:23] <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it would work slightly better on my other graphics card
L99[13:15:27] <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't work anymore
L100[13:15:39] <Althego> so you baked long enough to brreak it?
L101[13:16:11] <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't call it that
L102[13:16:54] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, dropping the ball into water doesn't really splash enough
L103[13:20:25] <petti> it looks like they have to restrain the dynamics quite a lot, maybe it's for stability, maybe for looks
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L105[13:57:52] <darsie> That is a very hydrophobic sphere :)
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L115[15:54:37] <Althego> eh i liked the terrier look
L116[15:54:50] <Althego> i guess the new one will be ok
L117[15:58:10] <Althego> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/180544-ksp-loading-a-closer-look-into-update-16/
L118[16:02:40] <jgkamat> wow these new parts make the old ones look like the old old ones
L119[16:03:03] <Althego> the small nose cone actually looks moe battered than the old one
L120[16:03:40] <jgkamat> huh all the images are tumblr links
L121[16:03:52] <jgkamat> I hope someone backs them up in case tumblr gets shut down
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L123[16:06:23] <jgkamat> I like the old terrier though :C
L124[16:11:55] <UmbralRaptop> "Originally based off the Payload Assist Module (PAM), the Rockomax RE-L10 “Poodle” Liquid Fuel Engine…"
L125[16:11:58] <UmbralRaptop> Uh
L126[16:12:11] <UmbralRaptop> PAMs used solid fuel.
L127[16:12:35] <KrazyKrl> yes... based on a true story
L128[16:12:56] <UmbralRaptop> Sure, it's just flavor text, but still…
L129[16:13:01] <KrazyKrl> just like how John Travolta never flew a B2 bomber.
L130[16:13:40] <KrazyKrl> why did i think of that terrible movie? the world may never know (i sure won't)
L131[16:56:48] <Fluburtur> they should add actual stuff instead of making new skins for parts that already look fine
L132[16:58:49] <Fluburtur> I haven't actually played ksp since they announced the dlc, it fell so much in my esteem that I don't even find interest in playing anymore
L133[16:58:56] <Fluburtur> and it was probably my favorite game
L134[16:59:14] <raptop> They are (dV indicator), but yeah. A second gas giant (especially if it can be made to have interesting moons), 'asteroids' in weird orbits, stock KAC...
L135[17:02:53] <Fluburtur> ok, can they add something that isnt from a mod for once?
L136[17:04:11] <raptop> Sure, but what is missing that isn't to some degree in a mod?
L137[17:04:23] <raptop> (Better API documentation?)
L138[17:04:53] <Fluburtur> idk, I dont even bother anymore
L139[17:05:06] <Fluburtur> I would like propeller engines but there are mods for that too
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L143[17:25:16] <Eddi|zuHause> "they should add stuff that nobody thought of as a mod yet" sounds like a quite narrow field
L144[17:26:46] <Eddi|zuHause> that basically applies to 3 things: 1) things so obscure that nobody thought of it before, 2) things so massive that no modder would attempt them or 3) things so complicated they can't be done as a mod
L145[17:29:16] <Eddi|zuHause> redoing some old stuff is imho a valid thing to do. as long as you apply stuff correctly that you learned since then, instead of redoing all the mistakes again (but worse)
L146[17:29:50] <Fluburtur> im just extremely angry about the dlc thing and I will forever be
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L153[18:00:55] <Eddi|zuHause> dunno why people are so hostile against DLCs.
L154[18:02:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean sure, there are loads of ways DLCs can be abusive money grabs, but i don't think that applies here...
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L157[18:26:32] <Eddi|zuHause> (mind that i have not actually purchased the DLC)
L158[18:27:01] <Zarthus> what dlc
L159[18:27:10] <Zarthus> i have the only piece of KSP dlc for some reason, never bought it
L160[18:27:32] * raptop ended up getting the DLC for free because of purchasing KSP in, uh, 2011.
L161[18:27:54] <raptop> Zarthus: yeah, you got it automatically if you purchased KSP early enough.
L162[18:28:02] <Zarthus> Nice.
L163[18:36:21] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i wasn't one of those early birds
L164[18:36:36] <Zarthus> i'd give you my code but I don't have any code :D
L165[18:36:44] <Zarthus> honestly it doesn't sound worth the asking price, though
L166[18:37:22] <Eddi|zuHause> that is probably why i haven't got it
L167[18:37:48] <Eddi|zuHause> but that is a decision everybody can make for himself. the game doesn't get unplayable without it
L168[18:37:50] <Zarthus> In hopefully not a spirit to offend anyone, it *sounds like* you can get more enjoyment buying a completely new game priced at 15 bucks unless you literally have spent hundreds of hours in KSP itself already
L169[18:38:55] <Zarthus> but oh well. steam sales are on the 20th of december
L170[18:39:01] <Zarthus> so maybe it gets a deep price cut :)
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L173[18:43:08] <raptop> I mean, there is/was a big sale on GOG
L174[18:43:32] <Eddi|zuHause> but anyway, this isn't even like CK2 where you have this 200€ wall of DLCs even while it's on sale, if you want to get into the game now.
L175[18:44:10] <Zarthus> Eddi|zuHause: Just because it's the norm for paradox doesn't mean it's a good norm :)
L176[18:44:23] <Zarthus> It's absolutely despicable what it takes to get back into one of their games
L177[18:44:33] <Zarthus> Even Stellaris is just not motivating to play because I know I need to buy $100 of DLC
L178[18:45:06] <darsie> Play Stellarium instead.
L179[18:45:24] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's really the only criticism i have about that, all DLCs older than like 2 years should be permanently on sale or something
L180[18:46:36] <Zarthus> permanently on sale is called a price drop :)
L181[18:46:45] <Zarthus> typically a bundle is better
L182[18:46:59] <Zarthus> I'd absolutely buy a "Year 1" bundle for $25, that contains all Y1 DLC
L183[18:49:54] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean something like "if you buy the base game now, it should include all the older DLC without a significant price increase"
L184[18:50:12] <Eddi|zuHause> and a similar "catching up" bundle
L185[18:50:34] <Eddi|zuHause> if you want to get back into it after skipping for a while
L186[18:51:24] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even think that would significantly hurt their total income
L187[18:57:39] <Zarthus> i don't think so either, but i also know they haven't done it in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018 now. So why would 2019 be any different
L188[18:57:56] <Zarthus> until then, stellaris and EU4 are on the shelves
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L191[19:21:04] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'm blatantly and uninformedly assuming here that most of their income comes from release-day-ish sales, with it slowing down over a few weeks, and then another burst the first time it's on sale about a year later
L192[19:23:34] <Eddi|zuHause> but i have no doubt they have some highly paid business and sales analyst people who would shoot down this "basically make it free after 2 years" policy
L193[19:44:18] <UmbralRaptop> https://twitter.com/landru79/status/1073661641848442880
L194[19:44:18] <kmath> <landru79> ...como hoy estoy liado estudiando ahí van algunos gifes del cajón sonderil: Comet☄️ #67P/CHURYUMOV-GERASIMENKO… https://t.co/5N5w4qgPaj
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L197[20:05:25] <Sharon6c> I'm here
L198[20:09:47] <UmbralRaptop> okay?
L199[20:10:02] <UmbralRaptop> Are you classified as a human?
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L202[20:16:54] <MichelleRd> Hi
L203[20:16:55] <Mod9000> Hello, MichelleRd
L204[20:17:36] <UmbralRaptop> Are we getting another bot wave?
L205[20:17:51] <UmbralRaptop> Anyone getting /msg spam?
L206[20:17:56] <Zarthus> not really a wave, but the bots are back in town, yeah
L207[20:18:25] <UmbralRaptop> ah
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L213[20:45:03] <JVFoxy> .... here we go again.....
L214[20:47:12] <Malachite> whew
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L221[21:06:00] <JVFoxy> mibbit huh?
L222[21:10:36] <Zarthus> yeah, webchat users are a funny bunch
L223[21:10:57] <Rolf> spambots is back jeez
L224[21:26:06] <Eddi|zuHause> on other networks, they seemed to have successfully dealt with the bots with chanmode +s (or was it +S?) (secret/hidden channel)
L225[21:29:00] <Rolf> freenode uses serverside processing
L226[21:30:01] <Rolf> pattern matching ie: bot usually joins a bunch of random channels then essentally spams same message
L227[21:30:22] <Eddi|zuHause> i also think that is the right solution, but on other networks they seemed hesitant/excusive about that
L228[21:30:42] <Rolf> yeah privacy issues even if its pure software reading only
L229[21:31:20] <Rolf> we had so many libel bot issues then so much spam about mating
L230[21:31:23] <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't even about that (because back then it was channel messages)
L231[21:31:40] <Rolf> i dont think server bot processes messages
L232[21:31:43] <Rolf> pms
L233[21:33:18] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really know what was the reason, but they seemed hesitant about modifying the ircd for direct interception
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L235[21:34:14] <Rolf> might open up for expoits maybe
L236[21:35:02] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, +s was effective because the bots apparently use /list to find their targets
L237[21:37:02] <Rolf> nice
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L242[21:51:43] <UmbralRaptop> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XsmMd9M3UgFzmNrP8
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L244[21:59:55] <Eddi|zuHause> almsot as good as "the proof is left as an exercise to the reader"
L245[22:00:20] <Eddi|zuHause> or even better: "easy exercise"
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L250[22:47:53] <Sarah94> hello
L251[22:47:55] <Mod9000> Hello, Sarah94
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