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L4[00:23:34] <kmath> YouTube - Racing though
the K'yangtze River Canyon - KSP flight controller trial
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L21[02:10:01] <Althego> hah finally.
activated the old machine. the newer videocard seems to be broken,
says the the power cable is not connected
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L26[02:19:18] <Deddly> See, the problem
there is that the guy isn't obeying the sign. He is clearly
running, not walking.
L27[02:20:51] <Fluburtur> yeah
L28[02:21:02] <Fluburtur> it is nice to
have such nice gooses here
L29[02:21:09] <Fluburtur> they are chill,
unlike the swans
L30[02:23:39] <Althego> you are bigger,
teach them a lesson
L31[02:23:51] <Fluburtur> I tamed them with
my rc boat
L32[02:24:52] <Althego> prototype is
installing... at least the drive is noisy
L33[02:25:36] <Althego> i hope this
resolution will not be slow with the older card
L34[02:25:59] <Althego> i would hate to go
below maximum in everything :)
L35[02:30:56] <Althego> it doesnt copy.
says updating component registration, whatever that is
L36[02:31:30] <Althego> if i went through
all this trouble to play it and cant, i will be upset
L37[02:34:36] <Althego> finally
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L52[04:02:45] <Deddly> Hey there
Apexseals
L53[04:02:49] <Deddly> Er
L54[04:02:54] <Deddly> Yeah, why not
L55[04:02:59] <Deddly> Hey there
APlayer
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L59[04:24:28] <sandbox> spambots still
doing their thing (not here... so far)
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L61[04:35:34] <BadRocketsCo> o/
L62[04:37:07] <Fluburtur> yo
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L66[04:45:13] <kmath> YouTube - Titans of
the Earth (English) | 1080p | Full HD
L67[04:45:21] <Althego> about the klife of
excavators :)
L68[04:48:46] <darsie> Is there a namespace
conflict between KDE and KSP?
L69[04:49:03] <darsie> legally
L70[04:50:01] <darsie> I read t-mobile
claims everything t-... so some flash rom was renamed.
L71[04:52:21] <Mat2ch> darsie: what?
Why?
L72[04:53:42] <Mat2ch> also KDE ist much
much older...
L73[04:53:59] <Mat2ch> and KSP isn't the
official name
L74[04:54:18] <darsie> Cause KDE and KSP
both add k to every word.
L75[05:00:01] <darsie> I don't expect so,
just an idea.
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L78[05:04:24] <Fluburtur> non naval planes
can land on carriers
L79[05:05:04] <Gasher[work]> yeah -
once
L80[05:05:31] <Fluburtur> the mechanics are
skilled enough to put the plane back in order in 30 seconds
L81[05:05:38] <Fluburtur> including
refueling and re-arming
L82[05:05:47] <Gasher[work]> F1-grade
mechanics
L83[05:06:10] <Gasher[work]> maybe it has
modular tanks and ammunition boxes
L84[05:06:44] <Fluburtur> the ammo is
accessed by a panel under the wing so that should be fairly
easy
L85[05:06:56] <Fluburtur> and the fuel tank
is under the pilot
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L88[05:12:26] <Gasher[work]> Fluburtur, i
don't recognize the aircraft. something pre-war like P-36?
L89[05:12:35] <Fluburtur> nah that is a mb
157
L90[05:12:44] <Fluburtur> high quality
french made plane
L92[05:13:46] <Fluburtur> there was only
one mb157 built tho and it was finished under the occupaion of
france
L93[05:14:48] <Gasher[work]> these games
are keen on putting prototypes and outright fiction in there for
variety's reasons
L94[05:15:13] <Fluburtur> well I would have
been happy with a mb152 since it entered service
L95[05:15:38] <Fluburtur> or the mb157
version which was planned to have more guns because a pair of
cannons with 60 rounds each is not much
L96[05:20:02] *
darsie can't find a part 4 t, H 1.8, W 2.4, L 2.4.
L97[05:22:15] <Rolf> much dakka
L98[05:26:49] <darsie> Looks like I have to
fly there to see what it is.
L99[06:32:06] <Fluburtur> weather is nice
outside
L100[06:40:12] <darsie> Just had direct
sunlight for a few s.
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L103[06:46:01] <Fluburtur> weather has
been generally super crappy for the past few weeks
L104[06:49:20] <Rolf> try this area
heh
L105[06:49:26] <Rolf> cold rain. which
doesnt stop
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L107[07:03:10] <Mat2ch> darsie: did you
figure out what the part is?
L108[07:03:20] <darsie> not yet
L109[07:03:24] <darsie> too busy
L111[07:11:47] *
darsie flies to the mysterious part ...
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L113[07:39:57] <darsie> Mat2ch: It's a
Mk1-2 command pod. I just have a Mk1-3 in my inventory which has
2.72 t.
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L115[07:41:45] <darsie> 2.6 t without
monopropellant.
L116[07:45:47] <darsie> Where do they pull
parts that are not in the tech tree?
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L119[07:53:47] <Eddi|zuHause> so, i've got
this usb stick that windows started to not recognize as a formatted
device... and linux says this:
L120[07:53:50] <Eddi|zuHause> # mount
/dev/sdg /mnt/tmp
L121[07:53:52] <Eddi|zuHause> FUSE exfat
1.2.7
L122[07:53:54] <Eddi|zuHause> ERROR: exFAT
file system is not found.
L123[07:54:17] <Eddi|zuHause> dunno what
went wrong there
L124[07:54:40] <Eddi|zuHause> going
through with a hex editor suggests all the data is still
there
L125[07:54:49] <Eddi|zuHause> just i can't
make sense of the start
L126[07:56:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't
suppose anyone here has experience in dissecting an exfat file
system?
L127[07:57:27] <darsie> How important is
the data
L128[07:57:28] <darsie> ?
L129[07:58:04] <darsie> or how
valuable?
L130[07:58:55] <Eddi|zuHause> the data is
probably not important, i want to figure out how it got corrupted
in the first place
L131[08:04:58] <Mat2ch> darsie: the old
parts are still installed, but just not selectable
L132[08:05:08] <darsie> ic
L133[08:05:44] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: are
you sure that you've got the exfat fuse support installed?
L134[08:05:58] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i just
did that
L136[08:06:34] <Eddi|zuHause> before that
it just said "wrong fs type"
L137[08:08:43] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: i
once sat in a pile of cables like that
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L143[09:00:24] <Fluburtur> I want to
remove the gears of my plane and turn it into a seaplane after im
done with that
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L173[13:39:20] <Yassine> Hi
L174[13:39:22] <Mod9000> Hello,
Yassine
L175[13:39:34] <Yassine> Are you a bot or
a real human?
L176[13:40:08] <raptop> We're all
bots
L177[13:40:16] <Yassine> cool!
L178[13:40:24] <raptop> There was a robot
uprising, and well, now we are in control.
L179[13:40:42] <Yassine> i just want to
say that i didn't buy ksp because i get it cracked :)
L180[13:40:55] <raptop> Okay
L181[13:40:58] ***
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L183[13:41:21] <raptop> Perhaps a bit
harsh, but eh
L184[13:42:33] <SnipersLaww> heh.. i got
it cracked too initially.. to test it out.. but bought it outright
within the week
L185[13:42:42] <hoglahoo> funny way to
introduce oneself to ksp community!
L186[13:42:48] <SnipersLaww> that was
years ago though
L187[13:43:09] <SnipersLaww> dont think
ive even boot it up though in the past 2 years >_>
L188[13:43:36] <SnipersLaww> definitely
havent been motivated after that update after the company or
whatever was taken over
L189[13:43:45] *
raptop has sadly also barely touched KSP the past few years. I
stick an updated version on one computer and then run it for
something like 10 minutes a month. =\
L190[13:44:10] <SnipersLaww> i think i
have 3 different builds on my computer currently
L191[13:44:25] <hoglahoo> I just started
playing with principia on 1.2.2 the other day and noticed your
handle in one of the help docs or something
L192[13:44:55] <raptop> <_<
>_>
L193[13:45:34] <SnipersLaww> i dont have a
problem with people cracking games.. if they are just trying them
out.. but if you decide to continue playing.. buy it
L194[13:45:46] <raptop> If you're not
messing around with an old RO install, Principia should run on
1.3.x and 1.4.x. Not sure if Erdos runs on 1.5.1
L195[13:45:50] <SnipersLaww> i did the
same with prison architect… even bought it a second time for my
xbox
L196[13:47:58] <raptop> Fair. Note however
that the n00b explicitly wanted us to know that they didn't buy
KSP.
L197[13:48:04] <SnipersLaww> yea
L198[13:48:16] <raptop> Also, KSP doesn't
come with DRM, so I'd be mildly concnerned about what was done with
that copy.
L199[13:48:18] <SnipersLaww> im slightly
curious as to how long ive even been in this channel
L200[13:48:49] <hoglahoo> I wasted a
couple of hours last week trying to get a set of mods I liked
installed for various newer versions of ksp but there was always a
snag that one of the dependent mods didn’t make a compatible
release or else I couldn’t figure out how to get it to work. just
sticking with 1.2.2 i guess
L201[13:48:51] <SnipersLaww> i never talk
in here and rarely pay attention to irc anymore as it is since i
mostly just leave it up to monitor my bots and am kept too busy
doing admin stuff on discord
L202[13:50:34] <raptop> ow
L203[13:50:50] *
raptop has also been somewhat limited by grad school
L204[13:52:26] <Zarthus> (20:45:34)
<SnipersLaww> i dont have a problem with people cracking
games.. if they are just trying them out.. but if you decide to
continue playing.. buy it
L205[13:52:39] <Zarthus> the thing is the
pirated version is sometimes vastly superior to the consumer facing
product
L206[13:53:13] <SnipersLaww> . . .
L207[13:53:46] <Zarthus> I'm not excusing
piracy, but when AC Odyssey starts reducing experience gain by 50%
to sell it as DLC it's obvious the pirates get the better
deal.
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L210[14:00:36] <UmbralRaptop> oops
L211[14:02:52] <JVFoxy> DLC....
micropayments... ect... still not sure what to make of things
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L214[14:05:28] <hoglahoo> I’ve taken the
ignore them approach
L215[14:08:58] <sandbox> yeah, I don't
like the way things have gone
L216[14:09:31] <JVFoxy> something that
they did with WoW... don't remember what it was but doing it, you
ended up getting a new character, automatically leveled up to 50. I
thought the whole idea was to build your way up to things.
L217[14:09:42] <sandbox> I've lost
interest in newer games
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L220[14:20:57] <raptop> Yay for old games
being on Steam, GOG, etc. And for that matter, new ones that are
single player
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L224[15:02:59] <Althego> hehe
L225[15:03:12] <raptop> hah
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L227[15:05:01] <darsie> :)
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L232[15:22:37] <raptop> Yes, but can I
write notes on dV vs fuel on the neck?
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L235[15:27:39] <Althego> lol
L236[15:32:13] <JVFoxy> eh.. don't exactly
look too happy..
L237[15:33:00] <Rolf> hes being pushed by
crappy person as a sweeper so yeah
L238[15:33:19] <JVFoxy> .... they /both/
don't look too happy. :P
L239[15:33:35] <Rolf> I know. I dont care
about other person
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L241[15:34:16] <JVFoxy> find it funny snow
blowing off the side behind Chuck there
L242[15:34:30] <JVFoxy> but
anyways...
L243[15:34:51] <JVFoxy> should make it a
poster.. rather be kicking butt, not kicking snow
L244[15:36:47] <Fluburtur> I got a garden
chair to wathc movies in my room because my back hurts
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L265[18:22:57] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Fight XCOM and buy and ADVENT calendar
today!
L266[18:25:48] *
UmbralRaptop groans
L267[18:28:16] <Scolar_Visari> On the
first day of Christmas the Elders gave to me: A Muton with a plasma
grenade!
L268[18:34:26] <UmbralRaptop> So, thoughts
on KSP 1.6?
L269[18:40:16] <Scolar_Visari> Obviously
the precursor to stock MECHJEB
L270[18:40:34] *
Scolar_Visari goes to see what all the hub-bub is about regarding
the Avengers trailer
L271[18:43:40] <Scolar_Visari> I don't get
what the trouble is. Why don't they just get Goku, find all the
Dragon Balls and wish everyone back to life?
L272[18:43:52] *
UmbralRaptop would be amused if Kerbal Alarm Clock or kRPC becomes
stock
L273[18:44:06] <Scolar_Visari> KAC is
extraordinarily useful.
L274[18:44:33] <Scolar_Visari> I can't
imagine having lived without it. Sort of like living without
oxygen. Sure, those obligate anaerobes didn't need it, but isn't it
nice?
L275[18:45:59] <UmbralRaptop> hah
L276[18:46:27] <Scolar_Visari> Though,
much like the internet, I can't go long without oxygen any
more.
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L281[18:53:21] <Scolar_Visari> This
summer, THEY are the law . . . SNIPERSLAWW
L282[18:53:56] <UmbralRaptop> judge dredd,
but with a sniper rifle?
L283[18:55:19] <Scolar_Visari> And a
boonie hat.
L284[18:55:59] <Scolar_Visari>
"Crikey, looks like this blokes breakin, the law . . .
SNIPERSLAW. Better put a bullet 'tween that mates eyes before I
clock out."
L285[18:57:25] <Scolar_Visari> "Hrmm
. . . Looks like this un's gone walk around in a no trespassing
zone. Better use my incendiary rounds for 'em."
L286[18:58:18] <Scolar_Visari> This
summer, the law comes to cinemas worldwide . . . SNIPERSLAWW.
L288[19:00:26] *
UmbralRaptop recalls running across a writeup of a 40k campaign
that had a dredd expy in a random hive city.
L289[19:00:57] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: That's not hard to imagine given that the Adeptus
Custodes (Imperial law enforcement) are ripoffs of the old Dredd
comics' style.
L290[19:01:24] <Scolar_Visari> Excuse me,
Adeptus Arbites.
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L294[19:04:13] <Scolar_Visari> But
close.
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L296[19:10:13] <Scolar_Visari> What we
really need is an Imperial Guard army closely modeled after the
World War II Wehrmacht . . . With horse drawn carts brought up
behind exhausted infantry and very few tanks because most broke
down before battle and the spare parts couldn't get there in
time.
L297[19:10:41] <Scolar_Visari> I'd
proposition an elite paratrooper unit that's not actually done an
airdrop in centuries.
L298[19:12:29] <UmbralRaptop> o_O
L299[19:13:01] *
Scolar_Visari notes the Fallschermjaeger did very few and only
small scale drops after Crete.
L300[19:13:18] <UmbralRaptop> ah
L301[19:16:01] <Scolar_Visari> They, thus,
mostly served as infantry and anti-aircraft artillery throughout
the war. The grounding of the Luftwaffe certainly didn't help.
Unless you were on the Allies side, of course, then it was a big
help.
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L303[19:22:07] <Eddi|zuHause>
<raptop> There was a robot uprising, and well, now we are in
control. <-- by any chance did they wear yellow vests?
L304[19:23:49] <UmbralRaptop> ?
L305[19:24:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i can't tell
what that's supposed to be :)
L307[19:26:38] <UmbralRaptop>
Eddi|zuHause: U+1F916 robot face
L308[19:27:24] <UmbralRaptop> pferd?
L309[19:27:48] <Eddi|zuHause> what's wrong
with Pferd?
L310[19:29:19] <UmbralRaptop> I'm not
familiar with the word, and was hoping for a definition
L311[19:29:58] <Eddi|zuHause> Pferd means
Horse
L312[19:30:04] <UmbralRaptop> ah
L313[19:30:09] <UmbralRaptop> thanks
L314[19:30:18] <Eddi|zuHause> as obviously
these two words are etymologically related.
L315[19:30:42] <UmbralRaptop> o_O
L316[19:35:25] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i
don't really think they are
L317[19:36:05] <Eddi|zuHause> Horse is
pretty closely related to german Ross, but that is an uncommon word
nowadays
L318[19:39:54] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Rule of thumb for German: If something takes multiple
words to describe, you can just go ahead, get rid of those spaces
and make it all one word.
L319[19:39:55] <Eddi|zuHause> Pferd is
apparently derived from latin paraveredus
L320[19:40:39] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: occasionally you must add additional "s"
or "e"
L321[19:42:22] <Scolar_Visari> Or a
ß
L322[19:43:30] <Eddi|zuHause> that is not
typically a result of merging words :p
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L324[19:45:34] <Scolar_Visari> It is in
the Großvisarireich
L325[19:46:07] <Eddi|zuHause> but
"groß" has that in it by itself, it's not a result of
merging the words
L326[19:46:09] <Scolar_Visari> Which
reminds me, I need to create that in Stellaris
L327[19:46:16] <UmbralRaptop> question: is
bremßtrahlung a misspelling?
L328[19:46:24] <Eddi|zuHause> very
L329[19:46:40] <Scolar_Visari> Ah, but
little do you know that the German version of Visari is
Svisari.!
L330[19:47:18] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: I just simplify it and call it braking radiation. Not
to be confused with breakfast radiation, which is what you get when
something is left in the toaster too long.
L331[19:47:51] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: "ß" can be replaced by "ss", but
two "s" from separate words don't merge into one
"ß", so the reverse doesn't work
L332[19:48:23] <UmbralRaptop>
Scolar_Visari: also, hot coffee emits blackbody radiation,
right?
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L334[19:48:47] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Why
are you using the Terran rules of German spelling? We've already
established such will be changed in my glorious 12 or so year
empire.
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L336[19:49:09] <Eddi|zuHause> 12? we never
deal with empires below 1000.
L337[19:49:22] *
Scolar_Visari glares at that *other* 12 year or so
reich.
L338[19:49:34] <Eddi|zuHause> you mean the
1000 year reich.
L339[19:50:06] *
Scolar_Visari will also ensure that all increments of 1,000 are
properly displayed with a comma.
L340[19:50:51] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Now that I think about it, you may be confusing
blackbody radiation with hot coffee Cherenkov radiation.
L341[19:51:40] <Scolar_Visari> Eggs, of
course, are the only kind of breakfast radiation with a black body
spectrum. Hence the yellow
L342[19:51:46] <Eddi|zuHause> i think
you're most likely encountering thermal radiation with black
coffee
L343[19:51:48] <UmbralRaptop> mmm… blue
glow…
L344[19:52:04] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Only
if you take your coffee without cream and sugar neutrons!
L345[19:53:19] <Scolar_Visari> Think of
it: If coffee radiation was a black body, would you not feel the
radiation before sipping on one that was warm enough to cause third
degree burns and severe caffeination sickness?
L346[19:54:36] <Scolar_Visari> Huh, Elite
Chapter 4 comes out next week? That soon?
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L348[19:56:04] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer has
joined the game!
L349[19:56:26] *
Scolar_Visari would insert a quarter to join, but they're not a big
fan of single screen beat-em-ups.
L350[19:56:56] <Scolar_Visari> Oh wait,
no, it's out tomorrow!
L351[19:57:08] <Scolar_Visari> That's
weird, too, as the beta just ended last week.
L352[19:58:24] <Eddi|zuHause>
<UmbralRaptop> question: is bremßtrahlung a misspelling?
<-- an "ß" can never span multiple syllables, so
"brems|strah|lung" these 's'es are completely separate
and can't be represented by an "ß", not to mention that
you cannot separate an "st" (well, actually, they relaxed
that rule a bit)
L353[19:58:57] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Of
course, I issued a decree relaxing all grammatical rules!
L354[19:59:04] <Eddi|zuHause> but at least
in this case, the (st) binds stronger than the (ss)
L355[19:59:10] <Scolar_Visari> El
Presidente Visari: Most bestest grammatarian.
L357[20:00:05] <Eddi|zuHause> that's
definitely photoshopped
L358[20:01:09] <Scolar_Visari> Look at
those artifacts!
L359[20:01:24] <Eddi|zuHause> and
"patiently": didn't they say it takes them like half a
year to decide where to actually put down the borehole?
L360[20:02:20] <UmbralRaptop> Yay,
stab
L361[20:02:59] <Scolar_Visari> Well, you
know, Mars aint the kind of place to drill a hole. In fact, it's
hard as Hell.
L362[20:04:54] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause:
Dienstag ;)
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L364[20:05:26] <Eddi|zuHause> well, that
is Marsday, after all :)
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L367[20:06:59] <Scolar_Visari> I would be
more satisfied with a deep core sample return.
L368[20:07:16] <UmbralRaptop> Admittedly,
we tried (and failed?) to perform a pair of high velocity stabs in
1999.
L369[20:08:07] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Some unintentionally!
L370[20:08:43] <UmbralRaptop> Those were
more slaps that stabs
L371[20:08:57] <UmbralRaptop> (RIP Deep
Space 2)
L372[20:10:48] <Eddi|zuHause> (the romans
named the weekdays after the sun, the moon and the 5 planets mars,
jupiter, mercury, venus and saturn)
L373[20:10:55] <Eddi|zuHause> (when they
encountered the germanic people, they matched the germanic gods to
their "equivalent" roman gods, so jupiter's day became
wodan's day (wednesday))
L374[20:11:40] <Eddi|zuHause> (they
equated the roman god mars with the germanic god tyr/diewes, thus
we got tuesday/Dienstag)
L375[20:11:48] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I
think I was less after the planets and more for the deities with
the planets were named after!
L376[20:12:25] <Eddi|zuHause> (although,
etymologically tyr/diewes is actually related to the roman
jupiter)
L377[20:12:49] <Eddi|zuHause> (but the
romans did not know this indoeuropean common root)
L378[20:13:01] <Scolar_Visari> The one
true sky deity is Zeus!
L379[20:13:23] <Eddi|zuHause> that one is
actually the same as Jupiter
L380[20:13:33] <UmbralRaptop>
Caelus!
L381[20:13:47] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Not,
quite.
L382[20:14:07] <Scolar_Visari> The Romans
were not big on mythology as the Greeks were, and Jupiter was not
as, ah, "human" as Zeus.
L383[20:14:20] <Scolar_Visari> The
difference isn't as notable as it was for Venus and Mars,
though.
L384[20:14:29] <Eddi|zuHause>
etymologically speaking, Zeu(s) Pater is the same as Iu Piter
L385[20:16:17] <Eddi|zuHause> well,
mythologically these diverged a bit since the common indoeuropean
root pantheon
L386[20:16:39] <Eddi|zuHause> that's how
the romans didn't quite make the right eqiuvalences with the
germanic pantheon
L387[20:17:05] *
Scolar_Visari notes the Romans also tended to reinterpret deities
over and over again.
L388[20:17:26] <Scolar_Visari> Though I
think it's funny they would identify Mars with Ares, as the latter
was seldom actually worshipped.
L389[20:18:29] <Eddi|zuHause> also note
that we actually have no records of the original indoeuropean
pantheon, or language, or culture, it's all reconstructed from the
currently known languages and projected through ancestry
relations
L390[20:19:40] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, just
ask the Atlanteans.
L391[20:19:54] <Eddi|zuHause> we also have
no real clue where the indoeuropean people actually lived, as it's
not possible to match it with found archaeological artifacts
L392[20:20:56] <Scolar_Visari>
Space.
L393[20:20:58] <Scolar_Visari> Duh.
L394[20:21:48] <Eddi|zuHause> the two
mostly discussed ideas are either north of the black sea (modern
ukraine) or south of the black sea (modern turkey), but it's nearly
impossible to confirm either one
L396[20:22:40] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Needs moar pictographs
L397[20:22:50] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Because they came from Atlantis!
L398[20:23:50] <Eddi|zuHause>
UmbralRaptop: with people's general ability to understand and
follow orders, i wonder what the fraction of people is that see
that and go "well, neat, i'll put this in my chest pocket and
go on with my way"
L399[20:24:17] <Scolar_Visari> "Wow,
this is hot! I should hold on to it more!"
L400[20:24:47] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: i think we have even more possible locations for
atlantis :)
L401[20:25:30] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Yes,
my research indicates it's located somewhere on a piece of papyrus
or parchment scribed by Plato himself.
L402[20:25:58] <Scolar_Visari> Atlantis:
The Tiny Kingdom.
L403[20:26:12] <Eddi|zuHause> my teacher
used to say "they surveyed about 30 odd potential locations
for atlantis, and they have found evidence for it on every single
one of those"
L404[20:27:46] <Scolar_Visari> Well, it is
rather easy when you're dealing with a place someone made up. Sort
of like how one can find evidence for ancient aliens
everywhere.
L405[20:28:30] <UmbralRaptop> note to
self: 1 Ci is 37 GBq
L406[20:28:54] <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds
unhealthy
L407[20:30:25] *
Scolar_Visari looks at Wikipedia's talk page for Atlantis, is not
surprised.
L408[20:32:13] <UmbralRaptop> To be fair,
the Becquerel is a small unit, so you often end up giving it
amusingly large prefixes.
L409[20:32:53] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: did the flat earthers discover atlantis yet?
L410[20:33:00] <UmbralRaptop> 3.5 g of
Co-60 is, uh, 146 TBq for instance.
L411[20:33:21] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: It's
underneath the flat Earth, and no one's journeyed there yet.
L412[20:33:24] <Scolar_Visari> "The
existence of Atlantis is in dispute. It is neither fact nor
fiction, because objectively neither is known for sure. A SIZEABLE
faction of historians and archaeologists believe it
exists."
L413[20:33:38] <Eddi|zuHause>
UmbralRaptop: that photo looks like more than 3.5g
L414[20:34:25] <UmbralRaptop> hrm
L415[20:35:03] <UmbralRaptop>
Scolar_Visari: were these historians found with an SEM or
TEM?
L416[20:35:51] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: however, whether people believe in something is no
indication in either direction of "real or fiction"
L417[20:36:10] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Amusingly, the person who wrote that linked a summary
of a radio show program in which an author who was neither a
historian nor an archaeologist was interviewed.
L418[20:36:37] *
Scolar_Visari mutters something something no histiography prior to
Plato. Something something idealized poli.
L419[20:36:41] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: was it an "expert"?
L420[20:36:55] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: In
the same way that guy with the crazy hair is an expert on Ancient
Aliens?
L421[20:37:12] <UmbralRaptop> eh, 3540 Ci
is only 131TBq. You only risk getting as much as 0.1 Sv/s
L422[20:37:36] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: i mean like "news" shows invite
"experts" on terrorism
L423[20:37:55] <UmbralRaptop>
Scolar_Visari: radio show… coast to coast am?
L424[20:38:12] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: where what qualifies them as "expert" is
"they've once written an article about it in a
newspaper"
L425[20:38:22] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: On Point, a public radio program.
L427[20:39:39] <UmbralRaptop> hrm
L428[20:40:33] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if people in the far future will stop and
think if Mega City 1 was a real place.
L429[20:41:03] <Eddi|zuHause> or
Westeros?
L430[20:41:07] <Scolar_Visari> "I
mean, it's existence and that of the notorious Street Judges were
well documented in the 2000 AD texts!"
L431[20:41:16] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Good
luck to them in trying to figure out how that silly star
works.
L432[20:42:12] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: i'm imagining Galaxy Quest now, where they viewed
"historical documents" and recreated them as best as they
could
L433[20:42:55] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I
mean, it makes as much sense to treat Atlantis as real as it would
to treat Utopia or Liliput as real.
L434[20:43:25] *
Scolar_Visari actually snickers at the thought of Swift himself
being amused by such a confusion.
L435[20:43:33] <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't
"utopia" translate to "unreal place"?
L436[20:44:13] <UmbralRaptop> or "no
place"
L437[20:44:22] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Indeed, and it's the name of the best known pieces of Medieval
literature.
L438[20:44:43] <Scolar_Visari> Sort of
like The Republic, I guess.
L439[20:45:24] <Eddi|zuHause> was that
Thomas Morus?
L440[20:45:36] <Scolar_Visari> That's SIR
Thomas More!
L442[20:46:14] <Eddi|zuHause> back in
school i knew someone who was deeply into that philosophical
stuff
L443[20:46:34] <Eddi|zuHause> "Your
IP Address is Blocked from www.gutenberg.org"
L444[20:46:57] <Scolar_Visari> Forgot to
pay your HPG bills to Comstar again?
L445[20:47:29] <Eddi|zuHause> apparently
they took a page from the youtube vs gema book and blocked all of
germany
L447[20:48:08] <Scolar_Visari>
Gutenberg.org must be under interdict by the Blakists!
L448[20:48:56] <Eddi|zuHause> it's even
more funny because gutenberg was german.
L449[20:48:58] <Scolar_Visari> At least
you still have an internet connection. I remember when all the HPGs
went out. Back in my day, we had to put messages on DropShips and
send them in envelopes!
L450[20:50:50] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, does
15th century england still count as "medieval"?
L451[20:51:04] <Scolar_Visari> Out here in
the Periphery, you were even lucky if you got satellite coverage on
a world! I had to pay some jockey on a Flea FLE-19 to go around and
deliver me packages!
L452[20:51:15] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Medieval is a rather nebulous term to begin with.
L453[20:52:15] <Scolar_Visari> It depends
on whether you try and classify the Renaissance as a separate
period of time or not.
L454[20:52:21] <Eddi|zuHause> when i hear
"medieval" my association is more like 800-1300s
L455[20:53:38] <Scolar_Visari> I think
*most* Medieval historians tend to go well into the 15th Century.
"The Renaissance" is often not taken as happening all at
once. Sir Thomas More, for instance, is often cited as one of the
early figures of the English Renaissance.
L456[20:54:08] <Eddi|zuHause> i can go
with that
L457[20:54:32] <darsie> Medieval ends with
gunpowder.
L458[20:54:58] <Scolar_Visari> darsie: Ah,
but gunpowder was around a long time ala The Hundred Years
War.
L459[20:55:08] <Scolar_Visari> Unless you
researched one of those other technologies that got you into the
Medieval era.
L460[20:55:36] *
Scolar_Visari grumbles at the Civilization series' blatantly
Eurocentric eras and their baggage.
L461[20:56:21] <Eddi|zuHause> i once read
a funny thread where people in the EUIV forum complained how
eurocentric the game was
L462[20:57:07] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, how
could a game called "europa universalis" not be
eurocentric?
L463[20:57:25] <Eddi|zuHause> what were
they expecting from that name?
L464[20:58:35] <Scolar_Visari> Well,
cough, it is also Universalis.
L465[21:00:17] <Scolar_Visari>
Civilization, however, has the pretense of playing as any number of
global civilizations.
L466[21:00:34] <Eddi|zuHause> like,
australia?
L467[21:00:44] *
Scolar_Visari also grumbles about Cleopatra being the first choice
as Egypt's leader despite being a Ptolemy.
L468[21:01:22] <Eddi|zuHause> they made a
few odd choices for leaders because they wanted to have more women,
i guess
L469[21:02:18] <Eddi|zuHause> and then
they made cleopatra so weirdly oversexualized.
L470[21:02:38] <Scolar_Visari> There were
several more female leaders they could've chosen, such as
Hatshepsut.
L471[21:03:18] <Eddi|zuHause> unrelated,
i'm not quite sure how historically accurate their depiction of
barbarossa is
L472[21:03:21] <Scolar_Visari> Why the
final leader of a Greek dynasty that completely excluded natives
from the power structure?
L473[21:03:47] <Scolar_Visari> That'd be
like choosing Hirohito as ruler of Korea!
L474[21:05:59] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: how about choosing petain as ruler of france?
:p
L475[21:06:17] *
Scolar_Visari also ponders why separating Greece into Sparta and
Athens made any sense.
L476[21:06:50] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I was
trying to go for a state that had been under rule for a couple of
generations, and the Japanese occupation of Korea was the only
thing I could come up with on short notice.
L477[21:07:14] <Scolar_Visari> Befitting,
too, given the similar divine leadership.
L478[21:08:21] <Eddi|zuHause> well, as
long as they stick to not putting hitler in...
L479[21:08:24] <Scolar_Visari> Glad I
didn't get VI. Inca don't real, Maya don't real, Babylon don't
real.
L480[21:08:33] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
That's what mods are for!
L481[21:08:35] *
Scolar_Visari shudders.
L482[21:09:55] <Scolar_Visari> "But
he improved the economy and buil-" "NO HE DID
NOT."
L483[21:10:42] <Eddi|zuHause> i quite like
the game mechanics of VI
L484[21:11:09] <Scolar_Visari> If Hitler
is ever a leader in a Civilization game, they better make William
Henry Harrison an option for the United States.
L485[21:11:09] <Eddi|zuHause> but they
went down some silly paths with the "civilisations" they
picked
L486[21:11:46] <Eddi|zuHause> who is
that?
L487[21:11:57] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I,
for once, wish they would ditch the boardgame mechanics and move
into sandbox, create your own civilization territory.
L488[21:12:22] <UmbralRaptop>
Eddi|zuHause: A president who died ~30 days after entering
office.
L489[21:13:11] <Eddi|zuHause> is that the
one that (alledgedly) caught a cold on his inauguration speech
because that went on for hours
L490[21:13:41] *
UmbralRaptop is reminded of how Civ 1 made a Macedonian the leader
of the Greeks
L491[21:13:47] <Scolar_Visari> The very
same.
L492[21:13:59] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Oh they've done that a few times since, Civilization
V, for instance.
L493[21:14:12] <Scolar_Visari> Though, to
its credit, Macedonia is its own civilization now!
L494[21:14:36] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: but germany had an emperor that wasn't even emperor
for a full year. that would be a better match
L495[21:15:23] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: There
are lots of leaders like that. I recall there being a Spanish
emperor who left the priesthood, bore a child and then abdicated
soon after.
L496[21:17:03] <Eddi|zuHause> emperor
Friedrich Wilhelm I died a few months after his father, Wilhelm I,
making Wilhelm II the emperor. if he had lived longer, maybe WWI
never would have happened
L497[21:17:54] *
Scolar_Visari mutter something about listening to Bismarck and
Austrian shenanigans in the Balkans.
L498[21:19:04] <Eddi|zuHause> he might
have been more liberal and england-friendly, opposing to the more
authoritarian Wilhelm II
L499[21:19:38] <Eddi|zuHause> who was more
akin to his grandfather than his father
L500[21:20:37] <Scolar_Visari> More Russia
and France friendly would've definitely helped. More Austria
unfriendly would've been better.
L501[21:22:10] <Eddi|zuHause> well, the
emperors of germany and russia were very close cousins and friends,
hasn't helped the politics between them at all really...
L502[21:23:15] <Scolar_Visari> Hence
Russia and France. I mean, the latter country has some pretty
scenic countrysides.
L503[21:24:25] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i
don't see how the relationship with france could have been saved in
any way
L504[21:24:28] <Scolar_Visari> Even more
scenic when they're not covered in a Moonscape terrain like some
cheesy Command & Conquer map.
L505[21:25:00] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Lots
of wine. And I mean TONS.
L506[21:25:33] <Scolar_Visari> Enough to
inebriate the Kaiser into thinking he's actually in Austria and is
signing a new treaty of friendship.
L507[21:26:10] <Scolar_Visari> The trick
is to stop the French from poisoning said wine over that
Alsace-Lorraine business.
L508[21:27:42] <Scolar_Visari> If it
worked for Sergei Korolev, surely we can scale that up to truly
global scales!
L509[21:29:15] <UmbralRaptop> ?
L510[21:29:19] *
Scolar_Visari now begins to ponder an alternate history series
where the consumption of alcohol at formal functions begets
different outcomes.
L511[21:29:56] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: The French had never really forgiven Germany over the
Franco Prussia War.
L512[21:31:01] <Scolar_Visari>
Alsace-Lorraine was ceded to the new German state after the war,
and its return was one of France's casus belli.
L513[21:32:18] <UmbralRaptop> no, no, the
bit about Korolev
L514[21:33:53] <Scolar_Visari> Oh, yeah.
According to his biography by James Harford, Korolev was not above
inebriating party leaders during their visits to any number of his
facilities.
L515[21:34:19] <Scolar_Visari> It was one
of his many ways of breaking through the Byzantine structure of the
Soviet space program and getting things done.
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L518[21:40:55] <Neal> is stuttering to be
expected in ksp? I don't remember it being this bad
L519[21:41:38] <Neal> I can hear my gpu
coil whine stop and start, its very annoying
L520[21:41:41] <Scolar_Visari> How long
has it been since you've played it?
L521[21:41:53] <Neal> I play for a few
hours every couple months
L522[21:42:03] *
Scolar_Visari can't actually remember much stuttering, ever, and
they're using a ten year old chipset.
L523[21:42:17] *
Neal is on very new hardware
L524[21:42:27] <Neal> ryzen 1700, 980ti
overclocked
L525[21:42:29] <Neal> actually
L526[21:42:31] <Scolar_Visari> Are there
any other games with similar problems? I know Unity can be . . .
finicky.
L527[21:42:32] <Neal>
Client:
HexChat 2.14.2
• OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64)
• CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Processor
(3.00GHz)
• Memory: 15.9 GiB Total (9.9 GiB Free)
• Storage: 2.6 TiB / 5.7 TiB (3.0 TiB Free)
•
VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti
• Uptime: 1w 3d
10h 7m 7s
L528[21:42:48] *
Scolar_Visari notes Battletech, also a Unity game, has severe
performance issues at times.
L529[21:43:07] <Neal> I don't have issues
in other games, but I don't play many unity games.
L530[21:43:20] <Scolar_Visari> Any new
mods?
L531[21:43:22] <Neal> well Rust does
stutter, but I think thats just because its rust
L532[21:43:30] <Neal> happens with all
mods removed as well
L533[21:43:46] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm . . .
We must go deeper down the space rabbit hole.
L534[21:44:08] <Neal> do you know of any
tools to get more detailed info about framerates/frametimes? I want
to quantize my experience
L535[21:44:21] <Neal> get some hard
numbers
L536[21:44:35] <Scolar_Visari> Ah, better
yet: Is this on a new game or does it only happen once you're so
many days into gameplay?
L538[21:47:15] *
Scolar_Visari is actually surprised KSP runs at all on their PC as
well as it does.
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L540[21:47:31] <Scolar_Visari> Which
reminds me, I probably should update my driver before Elite 3.4
launches.
L541[21:50:04] <Scolar_Visari> In the mean
time, I suppose it's just one more day till I unlock War Thunder's
M4 Sherman?
L542[21:50:17] <Neal> oh you play
WT?
L543[21:50:40] <Scolar_Visari> Just since
last week, it's more fun than I anticipated. Watching what your
shells do when they penetrate an enemy tank is rather
satisfying.
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L545[21:50:56] <Neal> yeah it is
L546[21:51:01] <Scolar_Visari> Already got
a T-34 and Su-122, too!
L547[21:51:35] <Neal> be aware that around
the sherman line in the tech tree, you become the punching bag of
soviets/germany
L548[21:52:01] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, muh
76 mm will see to their 90 degree armor plating.
L549[21:52:21] <Scolar_Visari> HVAP and
APRC for the win!
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L551[21:53:31] <Neal> btw stutters under
all circumstances, even with small ships
L552[21:54:20] <Scolar_Visari> How long
have you had the stuttering problem?
L553[21:55:06] <Neal> well, at least 2
years
L554[21:55:25] <Scolar_Visari> You you
ever uninstalled/reinstalled the game?
L555[21:55:40] <Neal> yeah, moved it
between drives too
L556[21:57:11] *
Scolar_Visari notes that, upon inspection, the Tier III Shermans
should only have serious problems with the Jagdpanzers given the 76
mm.
L557[21:57:26] <Scolar_Visari> Neal: This
may sound silly, but have you updated GPU drivers and the like
lately?
L558[21:58:32] <Scolar_Visari> I'd still
definitely recommend MemGraph.
L559[21:59:16] <Neal> got it installed rn,
testing it out
L560[22:01:03] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm, heck,
the old 3 inch guns should penetrate a Tiger at the front within
one kilomter.
L562[22:02:54] <Neal> the graph doesn't
tell me much
L563[22:03:12] <Scolar_Visari> As I
thought: Unity hates you.
L564[22:03:35] <Neal> what am I looking
at?
L565[22:04:27] <Neal> did you learn
anything from that graph?
L567[22:04:58] <Scolar_Visari> Yours is .
. . worringly solid.
L568[22:06:20] <Neal> my heap values are
lower than that of what you linked though
L569[22:06:30] <Neal> min/current at
least
L570[22:06:54] <Scolar_Visari> Now now
little human, who is the self appointed expert on . . . Wait,
what's your problem again?
L571[22:07:09] <Scolar_Visari> I recommend
posting on that thread as a start.
L572[22:08:21] <Neal> do you know what its
referring to when its talking about mod-[key] keycombos?
L573[22:08:29] <Neal> I don't know what
the mod key is
L574[22:08:36] <Scolar_Visari> The end key
on your keyboard.
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L577[22:10:44] <Neal> something else weird
is happening. 11gb of ram in use but the most ram intentsive
process is chrome, at 1.13gb
L578[22:11:03] <Scolar_Visari> Browsers
are hogs.
L579[22:11:42] <Eddi|zuHause> Neal: that
might not properly counting shared libraries
L580[22:13:49] <Neal> I'm going to try
rebooting
L581[22:14:05] <Neal> and also getting new
gpu drivers (even though these are stable..)
L582[22:14:53] *
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L584[22:15:57] <Neal> I'm glad nvidia
FINALLY added support for standalone driver downloads
L585[22:16:15] <Neal> having to log into
geforce experience all the time was very annoying
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L588[22:24:58] <Neal> apparently I didn't
need a reboot
L589[22:25:04] <Neal> but I will
anyway
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L593[22:32:31] <Neal> updating my gpu
drivers broke my sound, nice
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L596[23:13:08] <Neal> updating my drivers
seems to have cut down on the stuttering significantly
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L599[23:48:25] <Eddi|zuHause> at least you
don't have a game where if you look at it funny, the whole system
freezes
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