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L2[00:13:16] <Neal> I prefer the difference engine over the analytical engine
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L5[00:15:23] <Althego> why
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L18[01:47:55] <GlassYuri> ...my router survived a hard reset
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L21[01:48:58] <GlassYuri> I wanted to reset because I have forgotten both the wifi and router password, but if it's sentient now I'm just gonna throw it out
L22[01:50:14] <Althego> lol
L23[01:50:28] <Althego> how do you know it survived?
L24[01:50:38] <Althego> didnt press reset long enough?
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L26[01:52:32] <GlassFragments> and another attempt
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L29[02:01:39] <JVFoxy> Hmm... fun with jumpy landing legs.
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L31[02:10:06] <GlassYuri> finally
L32[02:10:23] <GlassYuri> after resetting it I noticed that I had saved the damn password in my browser...
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L70[03:47:18] <Mat2ch> So, SpaceX is playing too much KSP. They're going to pancake BFR, like we're doing with all of our SSTOs
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L73[04:16:54] <Arynnia> When is SpaceX -not- playing too much KSP Mat2ch
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L80[05:14:41] <Mat2ch> also we need stock hinges to recreate BFR. But noooooooooooooooooo
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L92[08:19:35] <Althego> if you really want to, you can build hinges, but it is an unnecessary burden
L93[08:21:38] <Mat2ch> hinges you can control like fins?
L94[08:24:02] <Althego> not that simple :)
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L98[08:59:47] <Mat2ch> that's why I want stock hinges
L99[09:00:14] <Althego> i want them too
L100[09:00:22] <Althego> unfolding probes
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L109[10:52:56] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/552d7fe9734ee3e182d2dca9a3b0fe9a/tumblr_omtn0hGqXk1r11jbho1_540.jpg
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L119[11:38:35] <Guest31691> Hi everyone. This game looks very interesting. My son just showed it to me.
L120[11:39:54] <Guest31691> Can someone please tell me which version of the game is best? for the computer or xbox? I'd like to get my 10 year old son involved. He's obsessed with building rockets at the moment. Thanks. Issye@aol.com
L121[11:41:27] <Fluburtur> computer is better
L122[11:41:40] <Fluburtur> because there is a lot of controls and weird stuff in this game
L123[11:42:10] <Guest31691> ok, thank you so much. Seems he needs a computer with a bit of memory.
L124[11:42:34] <Fluburtur> yeah you need a pretty decent computer to run the name
L125[11:42:45] <Guest31691> do you use the direct download or the streaming version?
L126[11:42:54] <Fluburtur> I use the steam version
L127[11:43:21] <Guest31691> oh, good to know. So it's not downloaded onto the hard drive, but you can't play unless on the internet?
L128[11:43:31] <Fluburtur> it is downloaded
L129[11:43:41] <Guest31691> stream or steam? what's the difference?
L130[11:43:41] <Fluburtur> and you cna play with no internet
L131[11:43:47] <Guest31691> oh
L132[11:43:59] <Fluburtur> steam is a utility thing
L133[11:44:05] <Fluburtur> game library stuff
L134[11:44:36] <Guest31691> oh.
L135[11:44:40] <FLHerne> I'd buy it directly, no point giving a cut to a third-party
L136[11:44:55] <Fluburtur> like TT you mean?
L137[11:45:11] <Guest31691> I'm confused. There are 2 versions to buy?
L138[11:45:25] <Fluburtur> no but you can get the game from different places
L139[11:45:30] <FLHerne> Steam is a game purchase storefront/platform and launcher, a lot of people buy games through it
L140[11:45:38] <Guest31691> oh, ok.
L141[11:45:45] <Guest31691> I saw something on this site though.
L142[11:46:35] <FLHerne> Yeah, just go with the direct download
L143[11:46:54] <Guest31691> ok thanks.
L144[11:47:07] <Guest31691> are they both stored on the hard drive anyway?
L145[11:47:20] <Fluburtur> yeah
L146[11:47:26] <FLHerne> Having a Steam key instead might be a small convenience if you buy other games from there, but if you've not heard of it that's unlikely ;-)
L147[11:48:23] <Guest31691> ah, ok. I have never heard of it.
L148[11:48:39] <Guest31691> I still have to get a computer for this game.
L149[11:49:19] <FLHerne> Do check the minimum requirements, you don't need a /great/ computer but without a half-decent GPU it can be very slow
L150[11:49:52] <Guest31691> As you play the game, does it slow down the computer?
L151[11:50:08] <FLHerne> (but I play on a 5-year-old laptop with no separate GPU, so with enough patience anything remotely modern will probably be fine)
L152[11:50:11] <Fluburtur> it can depending on the computer
L153[11:50:20] <Guest31691> ok
L154[11:50:46] <Fluburtur> oh god those girls are energetic https://youtu.be/ot_OzUXdi_0
L155[11:50:46] <kmath> YouTube - Killing in the Name - Rage Against the Machine - cover
L156[11:50:55] <Guest31691> I have a Mac laptop but no way is my 10 year old using it.
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L172[13:08:51] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/491671719090847757/DSC_9678.JPG
L173[13:13:05] <Fluburtur> ;wa 500 * 6
L174[13:13:06] <kmath> Fluburtur: 500×6 = 3000
L175[13:13:14] <Fluburtur> no wait
L176[13:15:51] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/491673599996854282/Screenshot.png
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L178[13:17:57] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Look upon Jeb's works ye mighty and despair.
L179[13:19:05] <Scolar_Visari> I thought geth did not use windows? https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/bfr-sept18.jpg
L180[13:20:07] <JVFoxy> as I said before.. stuck in the 50s much?
L181[13:20:28] <Fluburtur> you have camera in that game
L182[13:20:35] <Scolar_Visari> There are only so many ways you can design a rocketship.
L183[13:20:39] <Fluburtur> that makes screenshots
L184[13:20:48] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/491674175099109386/Screenshot3.png
L185[13:20:58] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur: Dem rivets.
L186[13:22:13] <Scolar_Visari> "You know what this bridge could use? MORE RIVETS!"
L187[13:24:20] <SirWhales> i read a good book about shipbuilding once. it was riveting!
L188[13:25:07] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, real ships are built with cables
L189[13:27:39] <UmbralRaptop> Why do the windows imply a deck layout parallel to the axis of thrust?
L190[13:28:04] <JVFoxy> I would have figured at least soem kind of rotating habitat ring
L191[13:29:31] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Looks perpendicular to me.
L192[13:29:43] <Scolar_Visari> Remember that they can't have any on the side with the shielding
L193[13:30:19] <JVFoxy> one ship that does everything.. dont' know, sounds risky, costly
L194[13:30:20] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy: The BFS' diameter is too small to accommodate a realistic rotating habitat unless you really like vomiting.
L195[13:31:51] <UmbralRaptop> Scolar_Visari: replace humans with kobolds.
L196[13:32:18] <JVFoxy> scolar_visari I'm very familiar with rotating ring dynamics... wasn't thinking something withing in the confines of the ship itself. Maybe something that connects to the nose. Can have a propulsion system to get to Mars
L197[13:32:51] <JVFoxy> I've seen a few ideas involving dwarf humans in space
L198[13:34:13] <Scolar_Visari> The nose does not appear to have any mechanism that would allow it to dock to anything, and depictions of docking involve parallel configurations
L199[13:34:57] <Scolar_Visari> Though the BFS' current interplanetary architecture precludes sending anything other than a lone BFS at a time.
L200[13:35:10] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptors: I say send in goblins. They're good with machines
L201[13:35:48] <UmbralRaptop> hrm
L202[13:39:26] <JVFoxy> probably woudln't take much to add a port... we still don't even know the layout inside of it.. too many unknown
L203[13:40:02] <Scolar_Visari> It'd probably take a lot because airlocks are surprisingly hard.
L204[13:40:13] * Scolar_Visari notes Skylab's airlock R&D issues
L205[13:40:30] <JVFoxy> personally I think its too big too fast... when we got our first planes flying, we didn't exactly have 747s built 3 years right after
L206[13:40:45] <Scolar_Visari> Then it'd also have to be a load bearing airlock and, unless the attached module Is completely self-sufficient, one with resource transfer capabilities ala Progress.
L207[13:41:12] <JVFoxy> when they boost ISS... all those ports are load bearing
L208[13:42:49] <Scolar_Visari> It also only boosts at very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very low thrust.
L209[13:42:59] <Scolar_Visari> You will not make it to Mars with low thrust.
L210[13:43:56] <JVFoxy> depends on the design
L211[13:43:58] <Scolar_Visari> The lower the thrust, the higher the effective change in velocity will be required.
L212[13:44:16] <JVFoxy> maybe not in the paper weight class of thrust like some Ion engines
L213[13:44:41] <Scolar_Visari> To be blunt, adding anything on to the design at this point would be silly because there will be some inevitable mass gain and/or payload loss.
L214[13:45:14] <JVFoxy> either way.. still think its too soon, not enough info to work on
L215[13:45:55] <Scolar_Visari> I think info's less of a problem than there being money for the BFS.
L216[13:46:26] <JVFoxy> we ahven't even sent anyone out there.. yet they wanna throw 100 people on a possible one way trip?
L217[13:47:15] * Scolar_Visari notes SpaceX hasn't even sent *a* person into space.
L218[13:48:05] <Scolar_Visari> Even if the BFS worked as planned, developing surface side facilities would dwarf the cost of the BFS and its launch vehicle.
L219[13:48:51] <JVFoxy> jsut the escalation of things has me a bit worried.
L220[13:48:55] <Scolar_Visari> If I were to draw a Venn diagram between people interested in a one way trip and people who could afford it, the circles would not overlap.
L221[13:51:02] * Scolar_Visari does not think there are also many people with 100 ton payloads lined up.
L222[13:52:38] <Scolar_Visari> Though, if this were Strangereal, I'm sure the BFR would be involved in launching the SOLG.
L223[13:55:11] <JVFoxy> japan.. they been testing ideas for a cable based space elevator...
L224[13:55:44] <Scolar_Visari> Nearly every space elevator concept involves a cable/tether outside science fiction.
L225[13:56:41] <JVFoxy> Jovian Chronicles, they have elevators though it doesn't reach the surface. More just touches the atmosphere and goes out a long ways.
L226[13:57:08] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah but, in reality, tethers are the only way we could really get it done without sorcery.
L227[13:57:10] <JVFoxy> although, I think the game makers didn't think too much on it, gravity gradients would cause some problems
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L229[13:57:24] <Scolar_Visari> Building the space elevator is also what gets Urusea to invade . . . Again.
L230[13:58:18] <JVFoxy> in JC.. was one on Mars, but by the time players are put into the setting, its already been knocked down and blown up in a big war. Left a huge canyon on the surface
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L232[14:01:17] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/D9-voINFkCg
L233[14:01:18] <kmath> YouTube - Samir....You're breaking the car!!!
L234[14:01:24] * Scolar_Visari now resolves to beat AC7 the first time with a MiG-21.
L235[14:06:35] * Tortoise767 will beat Scolar_Visari to it
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L240[14:15:06] <Scolar_Visari> Tortoise767: What would make it more amusing is that your resident AWACs keeps hoping you die in game.
L241[14:15:56] <Scolar_Visari> They even prematurely comment that your character was an idiot and died crashing into a mountain when you perform an obligatory Ace Combat tunnel run.
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L243[14:16:58] <JVFoxy> ok weird... loaded the game earlier, top bar on tweakables was black, now its back to brown-tan
L244[14:21:38] * Scolar_Visari goes off to fly down the barrel of an unreasonably large gun.
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L247[14:30:46] <JVFoxy> ok.. just a random build, rather successful vtol, admittedly, with the judicious use of reaction wheels though. https://imgur.com/a/GAarKS9
L248[14:30:46] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/Oe5wrKj.jpg
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L258[15:55:55] <Draconiator> Is it possible to route video from a video card to the onboard display out port?
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L263[16:00:31] <Zarthus> the ways i've tried it it mostly came down to a no
L264[16:01:01] <Zarthus> some monitors have some out ports which is the closest i've been able to get
L265[16:01:21] <Zarthus> it might be possible through nasty hacks, but once you've routed it in the bios afaik it's disabled
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L267[16:07:07] <Mat2ch> Draconiator: yes, there is, but it's kinda new tech and I need to research the name
L268[16:10:26] <Mat2ch> Draconiator: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/998zkw/freesync_on_an_nvidia_gpu_through_an_amd_gpu/
L269[16:10:43] <Mat2ch> that's some case where it works
L270[16:11:47] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch have you seen the latest photo of my plane
L271[16:12:43] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/491671719090847757/DSC_9678.JPG
L272[16:13:06] <Mat2ch> I saw the crash video :D
L273[16:13:18] <Fluburtur> I removed the nose so I can swap it
L274[16:14:11] <Fluburtur> which mean I will now screw up the painjob super bad
L275[16:14:31] <Fluburtur> but this paint is kinda rubbery so idk if I will be able to sand it away
L276[16:16:36] <Mat2ch> hrm
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L280[16:24:04] <Mat2ch> Need to go to bed. Bye
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L283[16:25:25] <Mat2ch> oh, wait, one more thing
L284[16:25:44] <Mat2ch> Draconiator: The interface/technology is called XDMA
L285[16:35:51] <UmbralRaptop> https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/13069
L286[16:40:32] <UmbralRaptop> https://arxiv.org/abs/1809.05967
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L288[16:42:16] <Draconiator> I had to order an HDMI to VGA adapter because I don't have a DVI-D compatible thing.
L289[16:44:32] <flub2> uh going ot bed early today
L290[16:44:34] <flub2> am ded
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L324[20:22:50] <darsie> My proper Moon/Minmus sample return rocket had too much fuel, so I took some away, but it was tight, then, and my landing site was too slanted, so I made a short hop to a better place but then I ran out of fuel on my way back home. I pushed my capsule to get my Kerbin apoapsis down from ~300 km.
L325[20:23:35] <darsie> BTW, greetings from Mun's canyons :) http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot7.png
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L327[20:26:36] <UmbralRaptop> greetings!
L328[20:27:17] <UmbralRaptop> … your rocket is T-posing!
L329[20:27:22] <darsie> :)
L330[20:28:00] <UmbralRaptop> (Also, nice landing without landing legs)
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L332[20:28:54] <darsie> Not that hard. The landing surface seems to me 1.25 m, not the nozzle diameter. Looks like a bug.
L333[20:29:22] <darsie> No legs in the free demo.
L334[20:30:23] <darsie> I could have used solar panels :).
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L336[20:32:34] <UmbralRaptop> hah
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L339[20:41:44] <Draconiator> I REALLY think the save I use just to make planes is cursed....I sent Valentina to Duna and so far all of my efforts to rescue her have failed.
L340[20:42:26] <UmbralRaptop> VTVL instead?
L341[20:44:01] <darsie> Draconiator: You land and take off at Duna with a rocket plane?
L342[20:44:17] <darsie> What's your gliding airspeed?
L343[20:58:34] <Draconiator> No I design planes on Kerbin with that, and ever since I sent someone OFF Duna, I've had problems rescuing them lol
L344[20:58:58] <Draconiator> but I have some Duna planes though, I think it's somewhere around 100m/s
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L349[21:29:56] <Guest33387> Hey Kerbalists,can the magnetic charge be transported from one thingy to another ?
L350[21:30:41] <Guest33387> from radiator to engine for example
L351[21:31:47] <UmbralRaptop> magnetic charge?
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L358[22:59:25] <Draconiator> I think he meant electricity.
L359[23:01:51] <mabus> radiators dont have electricity though so i guess he means heat
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L366[23:35:30] <Althego> https://hackaday.com/2018/09/14/one-small-step-for-a-space-elevator/
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