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L2[00:09:11] <cringe> ISS UTL: 58%
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L4[00:37:15] <oren> what angle of attack is
ideal for wings in stock KSP
L5[00:37:36] <Althego> very small
L8[00:43:27] <oren> this thing needs like 10
degrees to maintain high altitude
L9[00:43:58] <Althego> never had that
high
L10[00:44:35] <Althego> for low twr sstos
it is critical, because you have to have the smallest drag possible
to break the sound barrier
L11[00:45:12] <Althego> which means it has
to fly with nose in the same direction as the velocity vector, and
wing having the smallest angle that does this
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L19[02:00:53] <Althego> indian launch in
9.5 hours
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L24[02:28:06] <oren> ok, lowlands,
highlands, twin craters
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L26[02:33:27] <oren> the beagle has
landed
L27[02:34:07] <Althego> hehe
L28[02:34:28] <Althego> and didnt unfold
the last solar panel to free the antenna
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L31[02:48:32] <oren> however, even after
several hops and consulting my map, I couldn't find the
lowlands
L32[02:49:00] <oren> I'll need to try again
after refueling at the mothership
L33[02:49:29] <Rolf> theres probably
somewhere where biome border itself is lowlands lol
L34[02:49:29] <Althego> mothership. drives
offline
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L36[02:49:33] <Rolf> unless they fixed the
biome map
L37[02:49:38] <Althego> too bad you cant
use the biome compression artifacts to reach far away bimes at the
borders easily
L38[02:50:21] <Althego> sti,, the mun has
lowlands
L39[02:51:36] <Rolf> airless lowlands
biome. makes sense
L40[02:51:45] <Fluburtur> I re-installed my
most important games
L41[02:51:54] <Fluburtur> time for the
others I guess
L42[02:52:46] <Althego> i found out that
the law around drones here are so bad that it is basically
impossible to fly a drone legally
L43[02:53:06] <Fluburtur> just say it is
not
L44[02:53:19] <Fluburtur> because that word
has a very loose meaning
L45[02:53:25] <Fluburtur> I mean it's
pretty hard to fly male bees
L46[02:53:31] <Althego> hehe
L47[02:53:44] <Althego> or borgs
L48[02:54:28] <Rolf> isnt drones all
female
L49[02:54:34] <Althego> no, workers
are
L50[02:54:36] <Althego> drones are
male
L52[02:56:12] <Althego> basically you have
to acquire a permit for the given area 30 days before the flight
for around the equivalent of 9 euros, and then activate it 30
minutes before the flight and deactivate it after the flight
L53[02:56:44] <Althego> because when this
law was created there were no drones
L55[02:58:29] <Rolf> its one of reasons
superman will be unable to fly, even to help
L56[02:58:35] <Althego> hehe
L57[02:58:49] <Althego> rescue helicopters
can fly somehow
L58[02:58:55] <Althego> so i think it is
not impossible
L59[02:59:04] <Rolf> "thanks for
saving us from that suoerdoomy spider! Unfortunately here is flight
traffic violation ticket."
L60[02:59:29] <Althego> what i would do
just restrict areas and altitudes, so not around airpoprts and
below some altitude you are free to do whatever
L61[02:59:32] <Rolf> I would fly stright
upwards into space
L62[02:59:36] <Rolf> no planes in
space.
L63[02:59:43] <Rolf> essentally no
regulations also
L64[02:59:49] <Althego> actually...
L65[02:59:52] <Althego> there are
L66[03:00:00] <Althego> at least while you
are in the atmosphere
L67[03:00:10] <Althego> and then there is
the issue with space debris
L68[03:00:18] <Althego> you have to plan
carefully to not be hit
L69[03:00:25] <Rolf> not when superman
lol
L70[03:00:38] <Rolf> though yeah some of
"derbis" is actual working sats
L71[03:01:05] <Althego> space debris hits
him and fractures to smaller debris. superman causes kessler
syndrome. kill on sight
L72[03:01:26] <Rolf> honestly I'd ask and
get licensing, and I take no action without goverment asking
L73[03:01:33] <Rolf> that way I stay out of
libilities
L74[03:01:48] <Rolf> meanwhile I get profit
orbiting stuff for companies
L75[03:01:57] <Rolf> and get money from
goverment for clearing junk out
L76[03:02:32] <Althego> for example in
nanoha strikers, you can see fate park her car then ask for a take
off permission before flying
L77[03:03:30] <Althego> that is the way to
do it
L78[03:03:31] <Rolf> is that comic or tv or
what
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L80[03:05:31] <Fluburtur> a bunch of laws
are stupid and pointless anyways
L81[03:05:45] <Althego> today laws jsut
cant adapt fast enough
L82[03:05:49] <oren> Althego: heh,
true
L83[03:06:00] <Fluburtur> I live by
"don't be a moron"
L84[03:06:04] <Althego> good example is
that fax is still accepted as official document
L85[03:06:09] <Rolf> yet changing laws too
easy means could make really bad mistakes
L86[03:06:10] <Althego> who uses fax
anyway
L87[03:06:25] <Fluburtur> which is
basically the first line of the french treaty of human rights from
back then
L88[03:06:53] <Althego> i thought that rule
is dont be a d... richard :)
L89[03:07:05] <Fluburtur> yeah
basically
L90[03:07:58] <oren> I love how orbital
speed on minmus is slower than typical plane speed on kerbin
L91[03:08:17] <Rolf> is one planet still
impossible to orbit it?
L92[03:08:31] <Rolf> I remembered there was
one world that had strange physics
L93[03:08:53] <Althego> i orbited
everything
L94[03:09:01] <Althego> nothing
strange
L95[03:09:14] <Fluburtur> there is a mod
planet that is weird
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L99[03:18:19] <Althego> wait, you are on
minmus?
L100[03:18:26] <Althego> i think that has
onlt flats, no lowlands
L101[03:18:43] <Althego> but the twin
craters are on the mun
L102[03:19:57] <oren> Althego: I'm running
a near-identical mission on the mun
L103[03:20:26] <oren> with a more powerful
lander tho
L104[03:20:30] <Rolf> wait it might be one
of PLANET orbits around star that was physics impossible?
L105[03:23:23] <Althego> how can an orbit
be physics impossible?
L106[03:23:29] <Althego> unless, the soi
is too small
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L108[03:23:51] <Rolf> for example planet
orbiting speed being far too slow for its motion
L109[03:23:51] <oren> Althego: period not
matching what it should be for the masses of the objects?
L110[03:24:03] <Rolf> *orbit
L111[03:24:19] <Althego> but that is
literally impossible :)
L112[03:24:38] <Rolf> not in ksp
L113[03:24:53] <Rolf> planets is in script
not physics sim
L114[03:25:04] <Rolf> so you could define
it in very strange ways
L115[03:25:37] <Althego> yes planets are
on rails
L116[03:26:49] <Althego> that would mean
the planet cant orbit how it does. but it wouldnt mean you cant
orbit the planet
L118[03:27:11] <Rolf> yeah I think one of
planets were bugged like that but I guess it was fixed long while
ago
L119[03:27:24] <Althego> lol
L121[03:27:38] <Althego> well, the moons
of jool are not stable where they are
L122[03:27:40] <Rolf> mod that adds lots
lots planets
L123[03:27:56] <Rolf> one of em is moon to
mun
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L126[03:28:20] <Althego> because the inner
moons were put in an 1 2 4 resonance, but they are too close and
call is ejected
L127[03:28:44] <Althego> if you run a real
gravity simulation
L128[03:28:49] <Althego> *vall
L129[03:28:51] <Rolf> interesting
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L139[04:31:59] <Rolf> Oh hey it's snitch
bird!
L140[04:43:26] <Althego> spherical
animal
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L142[04:44:33] <Fluburtur> maximum volume
to surface area ratio
L143[04:47:21] <oren> Hmm, my megalauncher
still splashed down too hard but at least the payload was put into
a full orbit
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L147[05:01:18] <Fluburtur> the memes about
murika getting a hurricane again are rather funny
L149[05:02:30] <Rolf> I dont find that
very funny, sadly
L150[05:02:54] <Rolf> because certain
someone will just get more paper towels, throw em and leave, and do
crap assistance
L151[05:02:55] <Fluburtur> they got to the
point where they are just like "average monday" by
now
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L154[05:19:23] <Althego> ok i selected the
boxes that have been piling up for years to throw away. of course i
cant do that because the selective is full. as always. i am not
going to put them back. so i have to keep them around until
monday
L156[05:22:17] <Althego> bleh
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L163[05:34:45] <Rolf> supercat
L164[05:35:03] <Althego> i am sure without
a permit to fly
L165[05:36:59] <Rolf> yep. good thing or
there'd be no more birds
L166[05:37:23] <Rolf> or considering cat
love for heat, it would probably go to lava and lay on it.
L167[05:38:07] <Althego> lol
L168[05:38:20] <Althego> sail cat
L169[05:38:36] <Rolf> you can literally
walk in liquid lava. assuming you dont burn to crisp of
course
L170[05:38:46] <Rolf> its just a little
bit less dense than rock
L172[05:38:49] <kmath> YouTube -
Sailcat
L174[05:40:29] <Althego> oh wait it doesnt
have subtitles
L175[05:40:30] <Althego> eh
L176[05:40:43] <Rolf> eh never liked that
show.
L178[05:44:21] <KrazyKrl> Never forget
that we live in a world where "Pizza the Hutt" is a
thing.
L179[05:46:31] <Rolf> yeah
L180[05:46:57] <Rolf> thousands of years
later humans will not know much of this era, besides pizza the hutt
that is
L181[05:47:04] <Althego> hehe
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L186[06:34:11] <Guest12300> Hello
L187[06:34:14] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest12300
L188[06:35:21] <Guest12300> i have a
problem with the making histoy expansion. I cant install it becous
it tells me i need the 1.4.5 version... but i have it allready. How
do i solve the problem?
L189[06:36:42] <Althego> havent seen that
error yet. are you sure it is 1.4.5?
L190[06:37:16] <Althego> probably gets
this from the buildID64.txt
L191[06:38:21] <Guest12300> yes i have the
64 build
L192[06:38:34] <Guest12300> im sure i have
1.4.5
L193[07:07:50] <Althego> as a test i would
install the game in a new directory and try to install the
expansion there
L194[07:08:35] <Althego> because probably
there is something wrong with the game or the expansion installer
so it thinks they are not compatible
L195[07:47:38] <Guest12300> i will
reinstall it
L196[07:50:01] <Guest12300> it works
thanks
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L210[09:56:38] <darsie> Oh my, I had a
flawed Mun sample return mission. I forgot the sample :).
L211[09:56:45] <Althego> lol
L212[09:56:58] <Althego> and i actually
laughed because of this
L213[09:57:03] <darsie> I did plant a
flag, so proof of concept holds :).
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L215[10:02:05] <darsie> And it was quite
tedious, too. I'm playing with the free demo. Didn't want to make
too ugly rockets so I was short on fuel (as usual :). Not enough
fuel to land. EVA, landed with jetpack. Not enough fuel to get back
to orbit. Sent a rocket (ofc not enough fuel to land), so it picked
Jeb up from suborbital trajectory (tedious). Not enough fuel to get
back to orbit, so EVA to orbit, but not enough
L216[10:02:05] <darsie> to land on Kerbin.
So a third rocket to pick up Jeb from large Kerbin orbit. Hmm, no
chute (there wasn't a good place, had command pod and Stayputnik).
So deorbit with EVA. And then, no surface sample :).
L217[10:04:15] <darsie> If you need a
challenge, pick someone up from a suborbital trajectory.
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L237[10:47:16] <kmath> YouTube - PSLV-C42
/ -NovaSAR & S1-4 - Launch Live Telecast
L238[10:48:07] <APlayer> *dramatic music
plays on live stream*
L239[10:48:15] <APlayer> Best live stream
I saw, so far
L240[10:48:16] <APlayer> :P
L241[10:48:19] <Althego> hehe
L242[10:48:31] <Althego> the timer didnt
hit 0 when the music started
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L244[10:48:48] <Althego> so technically
this isnt the stream yet
L245[10:49:15] <Ragnaman> Hey, planning to
build a munar base, location is important in terms of Ore and
elevation right ? Can ore run out ?
L246[10:49:31] <Althego> no
L247[10:49:45] <Althego> but efficiency
depends on local ore concentration
L248[10:49:56] <Althego> or rather it can
run out on asteroids
L249[10:50:59] <Althego> note that the
polar mapping thing only gives biome average on the map, local
concentration may be lot lower or higher
L250[10:51:22] <APlayer> Ragnaman:
Consider elevation, ore, latitude for takeoff/landing maneuvers,
sunlight hours, shadow hours. If you're the aesthetic type, pick
the longitude so that Kerbin is visible over the horizon, you won't
regret it. :-)
L251[10:51:51] <APlayer> For what Althego
said, use a scouting rover to fine tune the location
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L254[11:02:11] <Althego> and the actual
stream started with some silly music
L255[11:04:50] <Fluburtur> I think dude on
the stream plugged the composite video plug bad
L256[11:05:24] <Althego> who uses that for
a digital stream
L257[11:05:42] <Fluburtur> india
apparently
L258[11:05:47] <Althego> hehe
L259[11:06:03] <Althego> for a while it
was working
L260[11:06:15] <Althego> this blinking
started a bit later
L261[11:06:36] <Althego> hehe, comment:
push the cable
L262[11:08:02] <Althego> they fixed the
blinking, ther goes the sound
L263[11:08:21] <Althego> maybe the rockeet
works better
L264[11:11:34] <APlayer> "Sir, the
rocket is not igniting" "Refill the guy's
lighter"
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L266[11:13:34] <darsie> Althego: IIRC the
polar mapper gives a rough color intensity map for ore
concentrations. You can select from which level it shall print
colors.
L267[11:13:48] <Althego> yes, but it gives
biome average
L268[11:14:02] <darsie> ahh, that,
too.
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L271[11:34:58] <kmath> YouTube - What does
the Sun do at the South Pole? A 5 day time-lapse - 8th to 13th
March 2017
L272[11:37:44] <Althego> 2 minutes until
launch
L273[11:40:37] <Althego> cant see anything
because of the clouds
L274[11:49:29] <Althego> hmm it has 4
stage
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L281[12:33:54] <oren> 300, 900, hmm
L282[12:52:20] <Ragnaman> @APlayer, well,
i understand that the best takeoff in most cases is equator right ?
I am not sure i understand having Kerbin on horizon, are the moons
tidally locked to Kerbin ?
L283[12:53:36] <Ragnaman> Hmm, i guess
building on poles of moons would have Kerbin in visibility most of
the time, was that how you meant it ?
L284[12:54:16] <Althego> poles are not
recommended. because of the way mapping is done in the game it is
full of high altitude diufferences
L285[12:54:36] <Ragnaman> yeah, ive seen
that on the Mun, not a happy place
L286[12:54:37] <APlayer> Takeoff is
usually best on the equator, yes, but the Mun spins so slowly that
the velocity you gain from that is negligible. However, the
latitude matters in terms of orbital maneuvers later on: From the
Mun poles, you cannot easily get into an equatorial orbit, for
example. However, you can easily get into a polar orbit.
L287[12:54:42] <Althego> visibility was
suggested because it looks good
L288[12:55:21] <APlayer> Kerbin visibility
is a purely aesthetical preference of mine. You can do it, but you
don't have to - it just looks good, as Althego put it.
L289[12:55:57] <APlayer> Finally, the
poles might not be such a bad place - if you find a nice elevation,
you can power your base from solar panels at all times.
L290[12:56:10] <Ragnaman> I am all for
good looks, but i dont understand one thing, if moons are not
tidally locked the Kerbin would not be visible at all times right
?
L291[12:56:27] <APlayer> The Mun is
tidally locked to Kerbin. Minmus is not.
L292[12:56:39] <Ragnaman> huh...didnt know
that, makes things interesting
L293[12:56:46] <Althego> not too visible
from minmus anyway
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L295[12:58:10] <Ragnaman> Making bases on
mun or minmus makes sense in the long term right ? As means of
refuel stations for large craft that are bound for other planets
?
L296[12:58:45] <Althego> you can collect
most science nodes from kerbin soi even in hard mode
L297[12:58:49] <APlayer> I'd rather
consider Minmus for refuel missions, TBH. Mun bases are much better
suited as checkpoints for contracts related to the Mun
L298[12:59:17] <APlayer> Minmus is much
easier to land and take off from. Can ship fuel from the surface to
orbit easily.
L299[12:59:31] <Althego> smaller gravity,
smooth flats
L300[12:59:37] <APlayer> ^
L301[12:59:49] <APlayer> Also, Minmus is
awesome for large ore rovers.
L302[13:00:22] *
APlayer is doing other stuff now
L303[13:00:24] <Ragnaman> is there any
ideal height for orbital stations ?
L304[13:00:27] <APlayer> Highlight me if
anything is needed
L305[13:00:41] <APlayer> I'd choose as low
as possible for orbital stations
L306[13:00:49] <Ragnaman> or just the
average height one usually gets into orbit ?
L307[13:01:55] <APlayer> You can land and
take off rather cheaply from a low orbit
L308[13:02:06] <APlayer> If
"cheaply" is English
L309[13:02:28] <UmbralRaptop> You can find
an 'ideal' (lowest ΔV to enter/exit) circular orbit given
assumptions about where you're going to/coming from.
L310[13:02:33] <Ragnaman> Right, makes
sense, i was worried about velocity of a low orbiting space
station, but i guess it does not matter once you are in
vacuum
L311[13:03:19] <APlayer> dV is closely
linked to energy. A lower orbit has less energy - even if you take
into account the increased velocity. And less energy means less
dV.
L312[13:04:06] <Ragnaman> that explanation
makes everything seem more simple
L313[13:04:40] <APlayer> What UmbralRaptop
mentioned are gateway orbits. Assuming you want to eventually leave
the Mun orbit and head to Kerbin (or somewhere else), there is a
balance between already added orbital energy and the loss of the
oberth effect. At some specific altitude, depending on where you
want to go, there is an optimum balance
L314[13:06:07] <Ragnaman> sounds like next
level of orbital mechanics layer I've yet to
"have-need-to-experience"
L315[13:06:59] <APlayer> If you want to
refuel things in this orbit and have a frequent route, it might
make sense to have a station at the gateway's altitude for this
route. That way, you ship fuel there, and can depart and arrive
with minimal delta v. That station is like a checkpoint that is
cheap to reach from both sides. Otherwise, gateway orbits are more
expensive than taking maximum advantage of the oberth effect and
travelling
L316[13:06:59] <APlayer> directly.
L317[13:07:32] <Ragnaman> oh, the gateway
would be an orbit that is at the maximum before the orbit is lost
?
L318[13:07:42] <APlayer> No, not
quite
L319[13:07:53] <UmbralRaptop> It tends to
be at an intermediate altitude.
L320[13:07:56] <APlayer> Are you familiar
with the oberth effect?
L321[13:08:27] <Ragnaman> nope, last thing
i learned was hohmann transfer, uhhh i consider that as my orbital
mechanics highest knowledge (aside from rendezvous) :D
L322[13:08:52] <Ragnaman> i mean i can
wiki that thing
L323[13:10:04] <Ragnaman> ah, its like
gravitational assist but with added thrust at periapsis ?
L324[13:13:27] <APlayer> The oberth effect
is rather simple to apply, given that it can be formulated as a
rule of thumb: A maneuver is more efficient, the faster you are
moving when you perform it. That is because kinetic energy depends
on velocity squared: E = 1/2 * m * v^2. Consider a craft of 2 kg,
moving at 10 m/s and performing a maneuver of 1 m/s: E goes from
1/2 * 2 * 10^2 = 100 J to 1/2 * 2 * 11^2 = 121 J. Now consider
that
L325[13:13:28] <APlayer> same maneuver,
but at a velocity of 20 m/s: E goes from 1/2 * 2 * 20^2 = 400 J to
1/2 * 2 * 21^2 J = 441 J. That is a gain of 41 J (vs. 21 J when
moving slower)
L326[13:14:15] <APlayer> You don't do the
math every time, of course - just know that the faster you already
are, the more energy you get from your maneuver. And you generally
move fastest at the periapsis, so you do your maneuvers there, if
possible
L327[13:15:18] <APlayer> One exception:
Oberth effect does /not/ apply to inclination changes. Because
then, you don't add velocity, as we did in the equations above.
Plane changes are maneuvers perpendicular to your velocity, and
thus they work differently.
L328[13:16:58] <Ragnaman> Ok, i guess i
start to understand, One can justify a high altitude refuel station
in a case where vessel would enter mun orbit to rendezvous, and
then decelerate to get a low periapsis to use it to accelerate
?
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L330[13:17:04] <Ragnaman> am i getting it
?
L331[13:18:04] <Ragnaman> low orbit refuel
station would be worse in this case because one would have to spend
energy of incoming high orbit vessel ? + one does not gain the
slingshot effect from lower orbit ?
L332[13:19:22] <Ragnaman> Thus having 2
stations makes sense, low orbit station that collects fuel that
gets transported to higher orbit station with a dedicated vessel.
High orbit station refuels and is at a high orbit, allowing for
Oberth effect.
L333[13:19:41] <APlayer> Now, generally
(because of the Oberth effect), if you go, say from the Mun to
Kerbin, you want to start at an orbit as low as possible, because
then you are fast. But if you refuel or assemble things or
something similar, that gets way more complex and the oberth effect
does not quite apply the same way. We assume you just spawn your
ship in any orbit you pick - now we want to find the orbit from
which you can
L334[13:19:41] <APlayer> move to your
destination for the least delta V. If you only consider the oberth
effect, that's the lowest orbit. However, a higher orbit already
has some extra energy. If you only consider this, you get the
highest orbit, at the edge of the SOI. But if you consider both
factors, then it is a balance, and is somewhere in the middle
L335[13:19:51] <Ragnaman> Or all this can
be done with just one station somewhere inbetween
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L337[13:21:42] <Ragnaman> Guess I will
understand when i play with this, but good to know that all this
matters.
L338[13:22:37] <APlayer> If you use one
station at low altitude to have landers that collect fuel, then you
minimize your lander's delta V. Then you can have ferries shipping
the fuel to the station in a gateway orbit, which is where ships
arrive to refuel, and leave the Mun again. That might be a cheaper
approach than to just refuel at the gateway orbit (and also collect
fuel from landers there), or than to spend energy every time
L339[13:22:37] <APlayer> because you move
down to a low orbit station. However, consider the extra cost of
maintaining not one but two stations
L340[13:23:34] <APlayer> Another potential
benefit might be science, as you'd have a station in low orbit, and
another one in high orbit.
L341[13:25:27] <Ragnaman> Ok, thanks a
bunch
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L348[13:49:25] <oren> map of laythe!
L351[13:49:51] <Althego> kepp them
coming
L352[13:50:04] <Althego> hehe degrasse
sea
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L356[13:56:12] <Deddly> Nice. Is that a
biome map?
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L358[14:07:37] <oren> Deddly: yeah
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L360[14:08:28] <Deddly> Useful
L362[14:09:28] <oren> here;s the whole
series so far
L363[14:10:23] <Deddly> Oh wow, that's
really nice, oren. Did you make these?
L364[14:11:13] <oren> Deddly: yeah, using
the scansat plugin and inkscape
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L366[14:11:34] <Deddly> Cool. Do you have
a forum post with these in somewhere?
L367[14:11:40] <Althego> is ike above the
ike above point?
L368[14:12:04] <oren> yeah
L369[14:12:08] <Althego> why are the last
two twice?
L370[14:12:29] <oren> Althego: probably a
bug in imgur interface
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L372[14:12:51] <oren> Althego: I only see
them once
L373[14:12:51] <Deddly> Great flats and
greater flats... are they the same?
L374[14:12:56] <oren> Deddly: no
L375[14:12:57] <Althego> no
L376[14:13:11] <Althego> there are
something like 4 flats on minmus
L377[14:13:15] <Althego> maybe 5?
L378[14:13:28] <Althego> flats, lesser
flats, great flats, greater flats
L379[14:13:40] <Deddly> Huh, I never
noticed that great/greater were different
L380[14:13:41] <Althego> really
annoying
L381[14:14:13] <oren> there's 4 types of
flats
L382[14:14:42] <Althego> i callected info
from all biomes on minmus enough times to curse all these flat
types
L383[14:15:39] <oren> I made the minmus
map first and the mun map, mostly because the biomes are so
samey
L384[14:16:38] <Althego> i never went to
the poles of eve
L385[14:16:51] <Althego> it is crazy
enough to take off from the equator
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L387[14:17:02] <JVFoxy> hmm...
L388[14:17:02] <Althego> is there ice
there?
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L390[14:17:11] <Althego> probably
not
L391[14:17:21] <Althego> at least it
doesnt look like that from orbit
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L393[14:17:32] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: The revolution will not be canceled unti later
this month.
L394[14:17:50] <Althego> i didnt know
there was a revolution
L395[14:17:54] <Althego> except that of
earth
L396[14:18:25] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: El
Presidente's standing with the capitalist and communist factions
has fallen after choosing the wrong traits.
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L398[14:18:50] <JVFoxy> Laythe... got an
idea for an island thats a ring there..
L399[14:18:51] <Scolar_Visari> The
simultaneous construction of a Soviet and American base on Tropico
did not help.
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L401[14:20:08] <Scolar_Visari> And it
seems that, in my absence, the BFS has gone through another
revision.
L402[14:20:28] <Althego> yes
L403[14:20:33] *
Scolar_Visari mutter something about not needing landing legs and
now using bigger wings that now function as landing
legs.
L404[14:20:36] <Althego> there will be
soem kind of anouncement on monday
L405[14:20:39] <Althego> at least scott
said that
L406[14:21:01] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
The singular passenger on the Lunar flyby, should the thing ever
into space.
L407[14:21:13] <Althego> but it used to be
2 people
L408[14:21:17] <Scolar_Visari> Now it's
one.
L409[14:21:23] <Scolar_Visari> The other
one was strangled to death.
L410[14:21:39] <Althego> less mass
:)
L411[14:21:42] <Althego> because of delta
v :)
L412[14:22:18] <Althego> that person will
be the one most alone in history then
L413[14:22:39] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, I'm
pretty sure the guy from The Fountain was more lonely.
L414[14:22:53] <UmbralRaptor> Will BFS end
up looking like the X-34?
L415[14:22:55] <Althego> even more alone
when the apollo command module went around the moon with its lone
passenger
L416[14:22:59] <JVFoxy> .... single
passenger to the moon. Isolation much?
L417[14:23:01] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: It looks like something from the 50s
L418[14:23:14] <Althego> yes with those
wings
L419[14:23:19] <Althego> it is like a 50s
scifi rocket
L420[14:23:22] <JVFoxy> I was hoping to do
a video in KSP of single pilot around the moon but in small
spacecraft
L422[14:23:51] <Althego> i wonder what
that skirt is
L423[14:23:51] <JVFoxy> Think Musk's brain
still stuck on the 50s?
L424[14:24:18] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy: I'm
. . . not sure where his brain is anymore.
L425[14:24:27] <Althego> and you all
became active when i want to go to bed
L426[14:24:29] <JVFoxy> Athego someone
suggested a skirt for when it takes off again... could be heat
sheild
L427[14:25:11] <JVFoxy> could also have
been artistic interpitation
L428[14:25:16] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy: The
BFS functions in reentry similar to historic NASA concepts for Mars
descent craft in that half of it's covered in a shield. However, it
lands vertically rather than horixontally.
L429[14:25:36] <Scolar_Visari> So it's
sort of like a spaceplane with really crappy gliding.
L430[14:26:08] <JVFoxy> was thinking more
heat shield from the engines than re-entry
L431[14:26:27] <Scolar_Visari> The
engine's shouldn't be a problem?
L432[14:26:36] <UmbralRaptor> I have
questions about the implied passenger layout
L433[14:26:55] <JVFoxy> 100 people...
small space. 6 months..
L434[14:26:57] <Scolar_Visari> There was
an extension of the shielding in previous concepts to protect the
engines during reentry that's abset now.
L435[14:27:05] <JVFoxy> thats a lot of
supplies and refuse
L436[14:27:28] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy;
Psht, beats out Royal Navy Frigates of the 19th Century.
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L439[14:27:59] <JVFoxy> ya but you on the
surface... not having to worry about not breathing
L440[14:28:05] <JVFoxy> well unless you
can't swim
L442[14:28:12] <kmath> YouTube - Why Atlas
Is Using Dual Engine Centaur For Starliner
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L445[14:29:00] <Althego> because it is the
department of redundancy department
L448[14:29:20] <oren> Ike is not so boring
after all!
L449[14:29:51] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Because it improves delta-v and thrust, actually.
L450[14:30:14] <Scolar_Visari> If the
engine goes out on a dual engine Centaur upper stage, you probably
will not be taking your CST-100 into space.
L451[14:30:19] <lordcirth> Redundancy is
part of it, but also because it makes the trajectory shallow enough
to have an abort not kill the crew
L452[14:30:36] <Althego> minmus?
L453[14:30:43] <Althego> wh no i mena
ike
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L455[14:30:54] *
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from the very beginning, but there was no need for it until
recently.
L456[14:31:08] <JVFoxy> Oren who said ike
was boring?
L457[14:31:26] <Scolar_Visari> Also: Most
sailors in the 19th Century could not swim, not that it would've
helped.
L458[14:31:27] <Althego> it is like a ball
of ash
L459[14:31:43] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: To
which Io says, "psht, I was ash before it was
cool."
L460[14:31:54] <JVFoxy> Didn't they say
the moon was like a desolate gray haven?
L461[14:32:18] <Althego> two characters
called ash come into mind (misfile and avalon)
L462[14:32:23] <lordcirth>
"magnificent desolation"
L463[14:32:48] <Scolar_Visari> lordcirth:
So . . . Kharak?
L464[14:32:56] <JVFoxy> lordcirth ya thats
it
L465[14:33:31] <Althego> no guidestone
there
L466[14:33:36] <JVFoxy> Would love to
visit the moon... for a time. Not sure I'd wanna stay there.
L467[14:33:48] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
No, they had the foresight to take it with them before it was
reduced to magnificent desolation.
L468[14:34:16] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy: The
Jupiter System's where it's at. Mind the Super Van Allen
Belts.
L469[14:34:18] <JVFoxy> 3 days didn't seem
like enough... I know they had plans to land a habitat or a mobile
version using to atlas 5s... but the project sorta didn't get the
funding
L470[14:35:02] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy:
They did get a lot of scientific data back, though. Habitat landing
would've been a Apollo Projects thing using Saturn Vs before the
line was canceled prior to 1969.
L471[14:35:38] <JVFoxy> funny you should
say jupiter... friend of mine put out a poll, whats your fav
planet. I'd say my fav was Saturn
L472[14:35:53] <Scolar_Visari> Jupiter has
better contrast in its clouds and, of course, the Volcano
Moon.
L473[14:36:03] <Scolar_Visari> Titan's not
much to look at and terribly far away from Saturn
L474[14:36:29] *
Scolar_Visari still smarts from the Voyager diversions to Titan
instead of Pluto-Charon.
L475[14:36:38] <JVFoxy> Scolar_Visari ya I
was reading up on the extended project ideas. A few ideas involved
converting the LEM into a mobile base of sorts. Concerns was over
weight considerations
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L477[14:37:09] <Althego> at that time they
didnt know there would be several jupiter probes
L478[14:37:12] <Scolar_Visari> They got as
much out of the LM as was possible at the time. The Rovers'
integration was a marvel in and of itself.
L479[14:37:18] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
You mean Saturn?
L480[14:37:20] <Althego> we could have
seen pluto lot sooner
L481[14:37:36] <Deddly> I can only assume
that SpaceX are having the same bouncy problems with their landing
legs that we are having in KSP. So they had to replace them with
wing parts
L482[14:37:36] <Althego> there was a
saturn orbiter too
L483[14:37:36] <Scolar_Visari> The problem
was that Titan's cloud cover was . . . underestimated.
L484[14:37:49] <JVFoxy> if Voyager did go
to Pluto... would the camera even been able to see it?
L485[14:37:58] <Althego> probably
L486[14:38:04] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy:
Certainly. Same as Neptune.
L487[14:38:40] <Scolar_Visari> Voyager,
unlike New Horizons, would've also been able to take photographs
and transmit information at the same time as its cameras were on
motorized mounts instead of static.
L488[14:38:42] <JVFoxy> I mentioned in
friend's poll.. don't hear much back from Neptune or Uranus since
the probes
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L493[14:39:39] <Althego> i really want to
see ice moon orbiters
L494[14:39:54] <Althego> but there is not
much momentum regarding these
L495[14:40:02] <Althego> at best we would
get one
L496[14:40:19] <Althego> and as time
passes orbits become less favorable
L497[14:40:23] <JVFoxy> I wouldn't mind
seeing an orbital based launch platform for space probes
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L499[14:40:50] <JVFoxy> ISS already
launches stuff but it only stays in LOE
L500[14:40:53] <JVFoxy> *LEO
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L505[14:42:13] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy: Its
orbital inclination is less than ideal for anything else.
L506[14:42:36] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: A
shame, too, given Neptune's interesting meteorology.
L507[14:42:45] <Althego> yes, those fast
winds
L508[14:43:08] <Scolar_Visari> And
temporary super storm systems ala the Dark Spot.
L509[14:45:28] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy:
Back when it was Space Station Freedom, there were numerous
technical proposals for launching deep space vehicles from the
station when its inclination was more favorable.
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L512[14:46:13] <JVFoxy> I may be inclined,
but at least I can see it from home, (above 49deg)
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L514[14:46:48] <JVFoxy> it may not be
ideal... just means having to work timing into things. Moon isn't
exactly on an ideal path either in relation to launch sites down
ehre
L515[14:47:42] <Scolar_Visari> It's not
simply a matter of timing, as it also means higher delta-v
missions.
L516[14:47:59] <Scolar_Visari> To be
blunt, the Freedom proposals weren't terribly strong, either.
L517[14:49:13] <Scolar_Visari> Setting it
up so you can launch deep space anything from a space station
requires a huuuge investment, and I can't see how it'd be cost
effective in the short term when you have to ship up everything
already
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L519[14:49:57] <JVFoxy> they had to cater
to russia's launch site.. which is fine...
L520[14:50:50] <JVFoxy> always going to be
an investment in anything..
L521[14:51:08] <Scolar_Visari> Well it's
not simply the launch site: The Soyuz, Progress and Zarya and
Zvezda modules had inherently low delta-v for orbital
maneuvering.
L522[14:51:23] <JVFoxy> trouble is.. we
spend how much just to get off the surface here alone?
L523[14:51:24] <Scolar_Visari> Using them
also precluded the need for the U.S. and its partners to develop
native counterparts.
L524[14:52:50] <JVFoxy> eh.. its up there
now.. we should just be happy it works
L525[14:53:38] <JVFoxy> I hate when
everyone starts talking so negative about things... oh spaceshuttle
is a death trap, good ridden to it.. we should be spending money on
surface matters than launching.. :\
L526[14:53:49] <Scolar_Visari> JVfoxy:
Launching from the Space Station would not be any more economical
than launching from the Earth.
L527[14:54:04] <JVFoxy> eh.. well not
saying we should launch from station...
L528[14:54:46] <Scolar_Visari> Heck, any
orbital platform would be less than ideal unless you're getting the
materials from beyond Earth.
L529[14:55:01] <JVFoxy> deepspace mission,
specially if crewed, not exactly going to be easy launching
everything in one go. Going to be some sort of building in
orbit
L530[14:56:02] <JVFoxy> ... at least we
got some experiences out of ISS when it comes to building
L531[14:56:20] <Scolar_Visari> That
doesn't necessarily mean you need a platform for assembly.
L532[14:56:56] <Scolar_Visari> Or even
EVAs, as the DRA 5.0s pretty much have everything assembled with
docking maneuvers.
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L534[15:00:38] <Deddly> oren, do you have
a forum thread for those biome maps?
L535[15:00:42] <Scolar_Visari> In the case
of the BFA/BFR architecture, orbital refueling takes place in lieu
of assembly, though I'm skeptical of having passengers wait in
orbit for subsequent tanker launches with the expectation they'll
all be on schedule.
L536[15:02:23] <JVFoxy> I find it a little
crazy they want to send 100 people to mars in one shot already.. we
haven't even sent 1 person beyond the moon.
L537[15:02:47] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if the BFS habitability is less than that of
the notoriously uninhabitable Type VII U-Boat.
L538[15:03:27] <Scolar_Visari> I find the
entire thing entirely too optimistic even if you get rid of the
silly first launch dates.
L539[15:03:48] <JVFoxy> Scolar_Visari
maybe they were hoping we would have figured out stasis by the time
we are ready... everyone gets frozen for the trip.
L540[15:04:11] <Scolar_Visari> Freezing's
not likely to happen any time in the near future, though topor
states have received serious scientific study.
L541[15:04:50] <Scolar_Visari> Though it's
less a supply issue and more of SpaceX not having any expertise in
designing deep spacecraft of any configuration.
L542[15:05:45] <Scolar_Visari> You could
certainly fit enough food and water in a proposed BFS for 100
people on a one way trip (even if they end up being glorified
MREs). Whether or not their spacecraft works or not is more
concerning.
L543[15:05:45] <JVFoxy> Plus.. unless they
have some super tech they've been working on and haven't told
anyone yet..
L544[15:06:24] <Scolar_Visari> Just have
the crew sleep in the torpedo room, er, food storage closets.
L545[15:06:24] <JVFoxy> how to bottle
enough o2 and other gases for a one way trip for 100 people..
L546[15:06:39] <Scolar_Visari> It's not
that hard, you could easily have enough for the trip plus
contingencies.
L547[15:06:58] <JVFoxy> could just eject
all that urine out the back... a bit of a boost
L548[15:06:59] <Scolar_Visari> Water would
be the most mass intensive, though recycling helps with that.
L549[15:07:26] *
Scolar_Visari helpfully notes a lot of water requirements would be
fulfilled from the food brought.
L550[15:07:28] <JVFoxy> the other waste...
maybe if they've green houses crammed somewhere inside
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L552[15:08:06] <Scolar_Visari> Solid waste
would probably just be stored for use on Mars.
L553[15:08:17] <Scolar_Visari> Urine would
also get recycled as it is already
L554[15:08:25] <JVFoxy> I'd rather see
them do small scale.. work their way up.. Apollo didn't get the
moon in one massive ship right from the start
L555[15:09:09] <JVFoxy> political and war
pressures.. sure, that did help push the timeline but it also made
them realize something was wrong after one big disastor
L556[15:09:11] <Scolar_Visari> Apollo used
a different sort of design philosophy.
L557[15:10:02] <JVFoxy> and Russia used
another. There are points in both that worked and didn't
L558[15:10:21] <Scolar_Visari> Well having
Korolev die certainly did not help, as did the loss of
Kruschev.
L561[15:11:37] <JVFoxy> no but there was
other things going on...
L562[15:12:07] <JVFoxy> space race was
something of a two edge sword... it helped push the tech.. but
without it, we probably wouldn't have gotten as far as we did
L563[15:12:19] <JVFoxy> if at all
L564[15:12:27] <Scolar_Visari> JVFoxy:
Khrushchev was more interested in showing off than anything
else.
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L566[15:13:26] <JVFoxy> Meanwhile, on the
US side, techs wanted to make the pilot a passenger.. thankfully
the astronauts pushed back hard on that idea
L567[15:14:14] <JVFoxy> I can't say I was
much on politics... I know its there, its a big influence.
Sometimes I just shake my head at some the stuff that goes on
L568[15:14:17] <Scolar_Visari> Korolev
wasn't that anti-astronaut, and I think Soyuz's automation teething
problems would've been averted had the various design bureau got
along better.
L569[15:14:55] <Scolar_Visari> "The
docking system did not work!" "Nyet, it worked perfectly!
You didn't use it correctly!"
L570[15:15:44] <JVFoxy> well.. as I said,
both sides of the pond, had their ups and downs. Now that the race
is over, worked together, got the ISS up. There are still some
teething issues but.. gotta start somewhere
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L572[15:16:12] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L573[15:16:33] <Scolar_Visari> A champagne
supernovy?
L574[15:17:11] <Scolar_Visari> I've been
told the bubbly stellar collapse is what's responsible for the
creation of all harder liquors.
L575[15:17:13] <JVFoxy> yo
L576[15:19:29] *
Scolar_Visari ponders why a new paper on MOND alleges to save
it
L577[15:20:23] <Rolf> Scolar_Visari: I
remember reading about space find of huge cloud of alchol
L578[15:20:51] <Rolf> I'm surpised one or
more beer companies haven't went after it yet
L579[15:20:51] <Scolar_Visari> Rolf: The
Big Bang created lite beers, after all
L580[15:21:19] <JVFoxy> geh.. bubbly
stuff
L581[15:21:37] <JVFoxy> sorry.. no
offence... seem more into wine myself. ^_^;
L582[15:21:42] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm . . . I
wonder if the authors of the new paper are the same that sort of
ignore MOND's unavoidable issues beyond galactic rotation.
L583[15:22:05] <Rolf> I dont drink alchol
at all
L584[15:23:01] <Scolar_Visari> Milgrom's
not one of the authors.
L585[15:27:22] <Scolar_Visari> Amusingly,
the paper 'supporting' the non-falsification of MOND uses a galaxy
that was included in another paper earlier this year reaffirming
the presence of dark matter
L586[15:28:21] <UmbralRaptop>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L587[15:29:26] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: I remain skeptical of modified gravity theories that
stick to MOND instead of referring to TESV or some such
alternative.
L588[15:30:13] <Scolar_Visari> It's like
having papers published that refer to the Bohr's model of the
atom
L589[15:31:36] <Scolar_Visari>
Interestingly, it appears the recent detection of gravitational
waves have introduced new modified gravity issues.
L590[15:35:47] <Scolar_Visari> Sanders,
"Does GW170817 falsify MOND?" 2018 doesn't appear to be
published in a peer reviewed journal, but it is nonetheless
interesting to see where future papers on GW observations may lead.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1805.06804.pdf
L591[15:36:30] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if the number of MOND astronomers and
physicists left is equal to the number of Birds-aren't-dinosaur
supporting paleontologists.
L592[15:38:46] *
UmbralRaptop wonders what the state of the superfluid dark matter
idea is.
L593[15:40:12] <Scolar_Visari>
Metallic.
L594[15:40:45] <UmbralRaptop> uh
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L596[15:41:31] <Scolar_Visari> Actually .
. . I think Alan Feduccia and one of his grad students is about all
that's left of the Birds-aren't-dinosaur crowd.
L597[15:41:39] <Scolar_Visari> The others
got old and sort of died.
L600[15:43:16] <oren> TYLO
L601[15:44:35] <oren> Not sure why the
deepest points are called "Mara" and not
"Mare"
L602[15:45:09] <oren> Perhaps after the
demon who tempted Buddha?
L603[15:46:53] *
Scolar_Visari ponders why Feduccia's last significant paper on
avian evolution wasn't laughed out of peer review for including a
1916 tripod depiction of Tyrannosaurus as a critical component for
their measurements.
L604[15:48:04] <UmbralRaptop> oren: typo
would be more likely, but I like that idea.
L605[15:50:46] <Scolar_Visari> Huh, isn't
a Feduccia paper. Still . . . How the Hell did this make it past
peer review?
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L608[15:52:53] <Scolar_Visari> I suppose I
should be thankful the paper's only been cited 5 times.
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L610[15:53:44] <Scolar_Visari> Hah, one of
the papers that cited Quick & Ruben is the amusing,
"Evidence of design in bird feathers and avian
respiration".
L611[15:55:23] <ConductorCat> :3
L612[15:55:45] <Scolar_Visari> Another
paper appears to be of a similar disposition.
L613[15:56:21] <Scolar_Visari> When two
out of all five work to cite your paper are obvious pseudoscience,
your paper may not be very good.
L614[15:58:59] <Scolar_Visari> Still, the
usage of the a hundred year old T. Rex depiction with an
anatomically impossible posture and missing/extra bones should've
never made it past the first draft.
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L617[16:00:15] <UmbralRaptop> hah
L618[16:00:57] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Quick & Ruben's paper sort of falls apart if you
measure parts of the T. Rex as they actually were.
L620[16:01:19] <Scolar_Visari>
Teehee
L621[16:02:06] <Scolar_Visari> This sort
of reminds me the last Pluto/planet paper to get published.
Why!?
L622[16:04:10] <Scolar_Visari> The stuff
Stern's churned out is like blog material, and this is so bad that
I half wonder if Quick & Ruben have actually read any book on
vertebrate paleontology published since Bakker and Ostrom.
L623[16:04:28] <Scolar_Visari> "What
do you mean dinosaurs couldn't have walked dragging their
tails?"
L624[16:07:04] <Scolar_Visari> I suppose
it's just as well that less than a tenth of the references in Quick
& Ruben are less than a decade old.
L625[16:07:17] <Scolar_Visari> That is,
from the time the paper was published!
L626[16:11:15] <UmbralRaptop> hrm
L627[16:12:03] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Ruben went on record to complain that the reason
there isn't more support for his conclusion is because of,
"museum politics". That is not a good sign
L628[16:12:28] <Rokker> museum
L629[16:12:43] <UmbralRaptop> Different
museum
L630[16:12:50] <Rokker> museum
L631[16:13:58] <UmbralRaptop> (An yeah,
that sounds like a code word for something)
L632[16:15:46] *
Scolar_Visari also recalls another bad paleontological paper
published a couple years ago by a non-paleontologist (!) regarding
dinosaur sizes being impossible
L633[16:16:21] <Rokker> museum politics
are better than normal politics at least
L634[16:17:27] <Scolar_Visari> I think the
problem is Ruben's not really a victim of museum politics and his
own sloppiness. He's playing the Galileo Gambit, nothing
more.
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L679[16:18:04] <Scolar_Visari> The paper's
genuinely terrible. Like, I think it gave me the flu
terrible.
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L685[16:19:06] <Scolar_Visari> Kerbin =
Strangreal
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L688[16:19:47] <oren> Scolar_Visari: So I
should name one of those mountain ranges "B7R"?
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L690[16:20:00] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah, and
make sure to include the craters from the Belkan War.
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L699[16:23:21] *
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post asteroid impact winter?
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L702[16:24:56] <oren> UmbralRaptop: The
asteriod impacts were partially mitigated by stonehenge
L703[16:25:18] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: The asteroid, Ulysses 1994XF04, actually broke up
before impact.
L704[16:25:35] <Scolar_Visari> Stonehenge
et al. mostly took care of debris left over from the Roche limit
destruction.
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L707[16:25:56] <Scolar_Visari> However,
some nations, such as Estovakia, were devastated by the smaller
asteroids.
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L710[16:27:12] <Scolar_Visari> Ulysses
1994XF04 was really just an excuse to have superweapons.
L711[16:27:53] <oren> UmbralRaptop: some
fragments remained in orbit, and had to be cleaned up by lazer
cannons equipped to the Arkbird spaceplane
L712[16:28:06] <Scolar_Visari> Also, some
pretty sweet orbital launch capabilities ala Arkbird and Ace Combat
7's International Space Elevator.
L713[16:29:09] <Scolar_Visari> oren:
Amusingly, I don't think the Arkbird had its laser installed until
the events of the Unsung War, where it only saw use against the
Scinfaxi.
L714[16:29:25] <oren> yeah
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show up in 7.
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L718[16:32:15] <oren> hmm, if kerbin had
warfare, ruling the waves would be less important given that all
the land is connected
L719[16:32:32] <Scolar_Visari> Supposedly,
the player character is responsible for the death of the
president.
L720[16:33:03] <Scolar_Visari> oren: Ah,
but how traversable is that land? Humans were migrating via coastal
craft even when N. American and Asia had a landbridge.
L721[16:33:29] <Scolar_Visari> Maritime
shipping is ridiculously effective.
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L724[16:34:43] <oren> also you can't reach
the south sea (south of the badlands coninent) from the coast of
KSC by sea
L725[16:34:58] <Scolar_Visari> Canal
it!
L726[16:35:27] <oren> hmm, or can you. I
should check
L727[16:35:35] <Scolar_Visari> Project
Plowshares KSP.
L728[16:37:05] <Scolar_Visari> Wait . . .
Since Erusea is the enemy in Ace Combat 7, can Mobius 1 make a
return?
L729[16:38:31] <UmbralRaptop> Kerbin is
weird, though. Orbit <Mach 7
L730[16:38:40] <oren> he'd be an old man,
surely
L731[16:39:12] <oren> UmbralRaptop: yeah
on kerbin, suborbital transport is totally viable
L732[16:41:06] <Scolar_Visari> oren: AC7's
only fifteen years past AC4. I mean, if Solid Snake can do it . .
.
L733[16:41:46] <Scolar_Visari> Cypher
would probably be too old, however, though the War Dog/Ghosts of
Razgriz group might still be flying.
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L736[16:44:05] <Fluburtur> I should have
played lose/lose before rebuilding my computer
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L739[16:50:12] <UmbralRaptop> Just to
confirm, there have been no ace combat games with PC releases,
right?
L740[16:50:21] <UmbralRaptop> (Just one
that shared a name)
L741[16:50:34] <Fluburtur> I think assault
horizon was on pc
L742[16:50:47] <Fluburtur> and infinity
might too, not sure
L743[16:54:27] <Scolar_Visari> Ace Combat
7 will get a Windows release.
L744[16:54:55] *
Scolar_Visari still has a PS2 and Xbox for the expressed purpose of
playing AC5, 0 and 6.
L745[16:55:13] <Scolar_Visari> Though,
since my PS2 controllers are borked, I should probably move them to
emulation.
L746[16:56:25] <UmbralRaptop> I think just
assault horizon? (which notably uses a different setting, more like
HAWX)
L747[16:56:34] <Scolar_Visari> Assault
Horizon is set in Earth.
L748[16:56:41] <Fluburtur> yeah
L749[16:56:50] <Fluburtur> and I don't
think anyone likes it
L750[16:56:55] <Scolar_Visari> It featured
the gimmicky dog-fight assault mode whatever. Amusingly, I though
the helicopter and gunship parts were the best.
L751[16:57:04] <Fluburtur> I mean, joint
assault which is on PSP in on earth too but this one is good
L752[16:57:25] <Scolar_Visari> It's been
about 10 years since a numbered (that is, in Arabic numerals) Ace
Combat title came out.
L753[16:58:05] <Scolar_Visari> It looks
like AC7 will feature a lot more planes than AC6 did (a
depressingly small number), and they've all but confirmed a return
of the Falken.
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L757[17:00:19] <Scolar_Visari> Amusingly,
it appears the F-104C will be a flyable aircraft!
L758[17:00:34] <UmbralRaptop> Uh
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L762[17:07:08] <JVFoxy> the 104... the
missile with a jet engine and a cockpit
L763[17:07:37] <Draconiator> Heh
L764[17:07:38] <Scolar_Visari> The flying
coffin
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case of the F-104, the falling coffin.
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L771[17:16:26] <oren> is this like the
opposite of air hogging?
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L775[17:22:14] <Rolf> fancy
L776[17:23:52] <oren> headed out to the
badlands to do some low and fast flying in the canyons
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L787[18:26:10] <Guest10657> Anybody know
how to launch rockets from the other launch site? I dont have an
extra option in the hanger but I have the latest KSP version
L788[18:26:57] <darsie> Guest10657: What
other launch site? Is this from a mod?
L789[18:27:27] <Guest10657> There is
another launch site that was supposed to be available with the last
version.
L790[18:27:29] <UmbralRaptop> darsie:
probably dessert, woomerang, or island
L791[18:27:38] <darsie> desert ;)
L792[18:27:41] <Guest10657> Yeah,
Woomerang
L793[18:27:51] <UmbralRaptop> Guest10657:
hover over the launch button?
L794[18:28:04] <Guest10657> Hover for
awhile?
L795[18:28:05] *
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L796[18:28:12] <UmbralRaptop> darsie:
dessert. I'm angry that this was intentional
L797[18:28:24] <Guest10657> OK, I will try
that. Thanks
L798[18:28:51] <darsie> Angry at
Squad/Take Two?
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L800[18:30:36] <UmbralRaptop> gah, why
leave before confirming if it worked?
L801[18:30:40] <darsie> I hovered at the
Launch button of the VAB and the launch pad. Nothing
happened.
L802[18:30:58] <darsie> 1.4.5
L803[18:31:01] <UmbralRaptop> darsie:
yeah, the name looks like a typo of desert.
L804[18:31:26] <UmbralRaptop> checking
some settings, you may have to enable it in difficulty
settings.
L805[18:32:58] <UmbralRaptop> "allow
other launchsites" (on by default in sandbox)
L806[18:34:08] <UmbralRaptop> Also, you
need to hover over the grey tab sticking out below the launch
button.
L807[18:34:10] <darsie> Where?
L808[18:34:20] *
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L809[18:34:29] <darsie> is the
setting?
L810[18:36:40] <darsie> I found enable
extra ground stations.
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L813[18:38:36] <darsie> Can you change
that in a running game?
L815[18:38:57] <UmbralRaptop> You might
with save editing?
L816[18:40:24] <darsie> My last option in
that menu is Include Stock Vessels
L817[18:40:37] <darsie> Don't have Making
History.
L818[18:45:10] <UmbralRaptop> hrm.
probably expansion only. Let's see if they come back.
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L821[18:56:18] <UmbralRaptop> Okay, I can
conform: that setting is only available with making history
installed.
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L823[19:03:32] <darsie> ok
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L826[19:15:20] <FltAdmVonSpiz> in random
calc of the day, the second stage hydrogen engine on the sea draogn
had the thrust of 20 RS-68s
L827[19:15:28] <FltAdmVonSpiz> which just
underline how absurd sea dragon is
L828[19:16:05] <UmbralRaptop> Quite
L829[19:16:45] <UmbralRaptop> But then, it
was aiming for what, 550 tonnes (1 million lbs) to orbit?
L830[19:17:13] <UmbralRaptop> hrm. unit
conversion error
L831[19:18:11] <FltAdmVonSpiz> 1.1 million
lbs
L832[19:18:19] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I think a
methalox first stage would substantially improve performance
L833[19:18:22] <FltAdmVonSpiz> using argon
as a pressurant
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L858[22:09:17] <Draconiator> Is it
possible for something that fits in a PCIe16x slot to use the other
slot meant for a 1x card?
L859[22:09:38] <Draconiator> A riser may
work but I don't feel like using a whole other setup for that
L861[22:19:33] <umaxtu> you might be able
to trim it to fit
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L864[22:44:49] <Rolf> would it be as good
as laptop ingerated video card? lol
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L868[23:02:36] <Sep> is there anyone to
help me with something?
L869[23:02:56] <darsie> Sep: IRC pro tip:
Ask your real question.
L870[23:02:59] <Draconiator> If I win the
lottery or something I would love to refurbish my older computer
and sell it though.
L871[23:03:53] <Sep> Where can I find
working Infernal Robotics mod for 1.4.5?
L872[23:04:15] <Sep> with all the
parts
L873[23:04:57] <darsie> Sep: idk. Have you
tried ckan?
L874[23:06:04] <Sep> yes there is nothing
there
L875[23:07:02] <Sep> I have the basic
parts but it doesn't have all of them
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