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L3[00:14:44] <Supercheese> KSP gonna eat all my RAM again
L4[00:14:48] <Supercheese> nom nom
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L6[00:22:16] <transitbiker> wew
L7[00:22:18] <transitbiker> https://gaming.youtube.com/channel/UCZuDQkMA5GF3Jh29ElK3-uQ/live
L8[00:22:22] <transitbiker> heh
L9[00:36:03] <Althego> cant watch it now
L10[00:36:42] <transitbiker> k
L11[00:36:57] <JVFoxy> I meant to go do a recording... shower pretty much knocked me out much of the evening
L12[00:37:41] <Althego> did you shower with lead balls?
L13[00:37:56] <JVFoxy> hot shower... moods
L14[00:38:00] <JVFoxy> sleepy
L15[00:41:15] <transitbiker> knocked you out, haha
L16[00:48:11] <JVFoxy> a bit.. but now I gotta go drive roommate out to work for overnight shift... sleep time in camper again.
L17[00:48:49] <JVFoxy> lates
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L21[01:14:10] <transitbiker> weeeee
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L28[01:26:12] <transitbiker1> hmmm
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L33[02:04:51] <taniwha> well, that... could have been worse
L34[02:04:54] <taniwha> 3 days without power
L35[02:05:26] <taniwha> (still had running water and gas, and the weather wasn't /too/ hot)
L36[02:09:28] <Supercheese> oh man
L37[02:09:33] <Supercheese> still sounds rough
L38[02:12:06] <taniwha> It was. I couldn't work (my "office" is at home)
L39[02:12:22] <taniwha> All I could do was read programming books, and only during the day.
L40[02:12:33] <Supercheese> do you have a backup generator?
L41[02:12:41] <taniwha> no
L42[02:12:42] <Supercheese> not that it would help for Internet access, I suppose
L43[02:13:05] <taniwha> it might have, because while my UPS was up, we still had phone
L44[02:13:17] <taniwha> (fiber modem and phone uses that)
L45[02:13:45] <taniwha> (have the modem and my firewall (tiny 10W server) on the UPS)
L46[02:14:17] <Supercheese> sounds like a small generator might be a good investment
L47[02:15:10] <taniwha> Yeah, I'm considering it.
L48[02:17:50] <taniwha> however, thanks to biolite campstove, batteries and solar panel, was able to keep cellphones charged :)
L49[02:17:55] <TheKosmonaut> You get any flooding taniwha
L50[02:18:07] <taniwha> no, though the river is slightly full
L51[02:18:28] <taniwha> can't help thinking of the people trapped in KIX, though
L52[02:20:05] <Supercheese> Typhoon Jebi...
L53[02:20:12] <Supercheese> Jebadaiah what have you done?!
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L92[08:49:24] <Althego> eh spacex launch moved to monday
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L101[09:20:13] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGWFg7EDnyY
L102[09:20:14] <kmath> YouTube - How to Receive Beautiful Images of the Earth Directly From Space | GOES-15,16,17 and Himawari 8 HRIT
L103[09:20:17] <Althego> finally!
L104[09:20:27] <Althego> also take this flat earthers
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L106[09:26:01] <darsie> Yeah, an FL-T400 tank + Terrier is fine for Duna descent and back to orbit.
L107[09:26:13] <Fluburtur> my room smells like resin
L108[09:26:23] <Fluburtur> I hoçuld take the big box with the fiberglass and resin pots somewhere else
L109[09:27:07] <darsie> With a mother ship in orbit for refueling.
L110[09:28:15] <Althego> Fluburtur: thought emporium finally got goes data. i didnt know it also stream himawari
L111[09:28:33] <darsie> http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot20.png after it's trip to Duna.
L112[09:29:28] <darsie> Does KSP flag a game a cheated if I cheat? Like testing a lander with the set orbit function?
L113[09:30:15] <Althego> i have never heard of that
L114[09:30:16] <darsie> IRL I'd considering it a simulation.
L115[09:30:17] <darsie> k
L116[09:30:27] <darsie> consider*
L117[09:30:30] <Althego> the only game i knew it did that was descent, it zeroed your score
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L120[09:50:08] <Eddi|zuHause> loads of games flag your game if you used cheats
L121[09:51:05] <Althego> since there is no simulation mode it better does not do that
L122[09:51:14] <Eddi|zuHause> in more modern games, it usually leads to disabling of achievements
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L124[09:52:08] <Eddi|zuHause> and inability to be listed in highscores
L125[09:52:10] <Eddi|zuHause> and stuff
L126[09:53:41] <Eddi|zuHause> in that sense, "using mods" is often put on the same level as "cheating"
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L128[09:54:26] <Althego> many make the game harder
L129[09:54:56] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but you as game developer cannot really decide that for arbitrary user mods
L130[09:56:14] <Eddi|zuHause> you would need a QA department just for cheking through mods to see whether they provide hidden cheats
L131[09:56:35] <Eddi|zuHause> to whitelist them
L132[09:56:43] <Eddi|zuHause> as "achievement eligible"
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L134[10:11:40] <darsie> <Althego> since there is no simulation mode it better does not do that <-- You could use a sandbox (?) game to test stuff for you career game.
L135[10:11:55] <Althego> i used to do that
L136[10:12:04] <Althego> vut even in sandbox t here is no simulation mode
L137[10:12:32] <Althego> so at best you can revert, or rather reload for a complicated mission
L138[10:12:38] <darsie> It simulates a full tech tree. And you can place ships.
L139[10:12:45] <Althego> no you cant
L140[10:12:48] <Althego> unless you use chets
L141[10:13:09] <darsie> Well, it's in the stock game? Or is that from a mod?
L142[10:13:34] <Althego> doesnt matter, it is still labelled as cheat by the game
L143[10:13:39] <darsie> yeah
L144[10:14:00] <Althego> simulation and practice is a huge part of all space missions
L145[10:14:11] <Althego> the game simply does not support that in any way
L146[10:14:14] <Fluburtur> anyone want to hear the nicest music I found in a while
L147[10:14:15] <darsie> But if you use it in sandbox it's not cheating for the career game.
L148[10:15:05] <Althego> that is a loophole
L149[10:15:14] <darsie> Fluburtur: No, thx, using your taste is cheating.
L150[10:15:21] <Fluburtur> lmao
L151[10:15:31] <darsie> :)
L152[10:15:37] <Althego> also it still doesnt solve the missing simulation mode
L153[10:15:46] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4QYLO9nrgU
L154[10:15:46] <kmath> YouTube - BroniKoni - Runaway Princess [Pop Rock]
L155[10:15:48] <Althego> we cant even use the wind tunnel in the science complex
L156[10:15:58] <Althego> yet it is clearly visible
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L158[10:17:07] <darsie> Althego: Looks like there are two of them.
L159[10:17:36] <darsie> Or what are you referring to?
L160[10:17:50] <darsie> The smaller one?
L161[10:17:53] <Althego> i see only one
L162[10:18:07] <darsie> The longer ones have a constriction.
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L164[10:18:37] <Eddi|zuHause> there's two basic things i'm missing in the game. a) a "test" mode instead of "launch", where i can put a vehicle in a location, run some mission part, and game reverts back to start on exit
L165[10:18:41] <darsie> ahh, that one.
L166[10:19:02] <darsie> The rectangular one with rectangular crosssection.
L167[10:19:04] <Eddi|zuHause> and b) a "mission planner" where i can set a launch time and maneuver nodes before launch
L168[10:19:20] <Fluburtur> Deddly have you seen the latest photo of my plane?
L169[10:19:36] <Althego> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/images/8/86/R%26D_Facility.jpg the building on the right is the wind tunnel
L170[10:19:41] <Althego> or lower right
L171[10:19:46] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/487347094424649728/DSC_9616.JPG
L172[10:19:59] <darsie> yeah
L173[10:20:10] <Althego> maybe you could have used a compass for the circles
L174[10:20:55] <Fluburtur> I used
L175[10:20:57] <Fluburtur> to make circles
L176[10:21:07] <Fluburtur> then I painted with a paintbrush like a dude would back in the days
L177[10:21:14] <Althego> but i like the coloring
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L180[10:25:10] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: oh, wow, nice
L181[10:25:23] <Fluburtur> I also got some more batteries
L182[10:25:38] <Mat2ch> Althego: oh, I never realized that there's a wind tunnel...
L183[10:25:53] <Althego> i found that out after years too :)
L184[10:26:07] <Althego> when i looked at the science buildings a little bit more
L185[10:26:11] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i ever had the level 3 research building yet
L186[10:26:26] <Althego> yes it is not visible on the earlier versions
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L188[10:26:48] <Althego> but it is clearly there in the fully researched
L189[10:28:26] <Althego> eh reds on non sequitur again, i realized it is 3 in the morning. ok then i can watch it after the live eating my breakfast
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L192[10:35:28] <darsie> Hmm, I brought two surface samples from Duna, but the science archives show only one.
L193[10:36:04] <Althego> did you store them in the same cabin?
L194[10:36:54] <darsie> no, different flights.
L195[10:37:02] <Althego> strange
L196[10:37:14] <Althego> that should have worked, unless they are from the same biome
L197[10:37:30] <Althego> then you just increase the bar a little instead of addign a new one
L198[10:38:29] <darsie> same biome
L199[10:38:41] <darsie> ok
L200[10:40:10] <Althego> lowlands?
L201[10:40:26] <Althego> or whatever the lowest altitude biome is
L202[10:40:47] <darsie> midland sea. Pretty low, too.
L203[10:41:07] <darsie> And a nice long stretch on the equator.
L204[10:41:14] <Althego> yes i thought so
L205[10:41:21] <Althego> that is the best landing site
L206[10:41:33] <Althego> you can miss by half a planet and still land safely
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L208[10:41:53] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424254936415469580/487538638608138240/1536290601.jpg
L209[10:42:15] <Althego> wasnt it called thomas the tank engine?
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L211[10:46:50] <darsie> Althego: Yeah, bar raised, 60+ science.
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L213[10:49:49] <Eddi|zuHause> they should have picked Dora
L214[10:50:10] <Althego> thomas the tank angine with his girlfriend dora
L215[10:51:19] <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's another name for the same thing
L216[10:51:49] <Althego> no. just as data is dayta and not dahta
L217[10:57:12] <Eddi|zuHause> no, i meant the Dora/Gustav thing
L218[11:07:01] <Eddi|zuHause> (also, i'm not sure how well the dayta/dahta thing actually survived the translation)
L219[11:08:06] <Althego> i cant remember. but i practically saw all star trek in german
L220[11:08:53] <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't sound like a scene i would have found memorable back then, anyway
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L222[11:17:04] *** Kreuzung is now known as GlassYuri
L223[11:17:29] <GlassYuri> so the last days I have spent a significant fraction of my time watching youtube videos on gas masks
L224[11:17:40] <Althego> hehe
L225[11:17:46] <Althego> what did you learn from this?
L226[11:18:58] <GlassYuri> mostly that you should be aware of asbestos in old, especially soviet filters
L227[11:19:44] <Althego> lol it saves you from immediate danger then kills you with cancer later
L228[11:20:05] <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a thing the military will do
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L230[11:30:29] <umaxtu> Eddi|zuHause, or politicians
L231[11:39:01] <Eddi|zuHause> or... amoral corporations
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L234[11:56:08] <Draconiator> https://www.space.com/41749-elon-musk-living-in-simulation-rogan-podcast.html
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L236[12:00:22] <Draconiator> If we are living in a simulation, I think the alien controlling me fell asleep at the keyboard for the past few decades.
L237[12:00:46] <Althego> probably no direct control
L238[12:00:54] <Althego> only on the environment
L239[12:01:08] <Althego> also the alien may be a human too running a historical simulation
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L241[12:07:21] * UmbralRaptop stares at the scale of the universe.
L242[12:07:44] <UmbralRaptop> I would not assume that the simulator shares human goals.
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L268[13:55:33] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzLxtYVZ_gw
L269[13:55:34] <kmath> YouTube - Dr. John Callas - Exoplanet Update - 21st Annual International Mars Society Convention
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L272[13:58:59] <UmbralRaptop> TESS DR1?
L273[14:00:06] <Althego> it is more likea general overview
L274[14:00:15] <Althego> of current state
L275[14:00:23] <Althego> but didnt watch it completely yet
L276[14:01:01] <UmbralRaptop> Bah, looks like the real DR1 is January.
L277[14:01:29] <UmbralRaptop> But apparently some targets have been announced for RV followup?
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L279[14:29:21] <Draconiator> https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/elon-musk-said-apos-probably-113428841.html - I'm starting to think weird people make the best science-people
L280[14:30:40] <Althego> i dont mind if ai takes over
L281[14:31:06] <Althego> at least they would keep some heritage of humanity, if i nothing else, in their existence. we cant do that
L282[14:32:28] <UmbralRaptop> Maybe. OTOH, have you read much Peter Watts?
L283[14:32:38] <Althego> no
L284[14:33:42] <UmbralRaptop> http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm
L285[14:34:27] <UmbralRaptop> Anyway, there's no reason intelligence has to be benevolent, far sited, or even self-aware >_>;;
L286[14:34:52] <Althego> but we would make them as such
L287[14:38:07] <UmbralRaptop> Also I'm pessimistic from some political developments.
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L289[14:48:09] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/487710645198913556/DSC_9618.JPG
L290[14:51:35] <Althego> nice, but you are going to crash it anyway
L291[14:51:51] <Fluburtur> I already crashed it a bunch of times
L292[14:51:56] <Fluburtur> and it needs a new nose anyways
L293[14:51:59] <Althego> that is why i said that
L294[14:52:07] <Fluburtur> I changed the design, I just need to smash this one
L295[14:52:24] <Althego> hulk smash
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L297[15:05:19] <GuestBanana> woohoo it's friday
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L299[15:10:49] <GuestBanana> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/178124-ksp-weekly-thrusting-into-the-future/
L300[15:20:53] <Supercheese> lewd title
L301[15:21:32] <Eddi|zuHause> what happened to that friday-song-girl, anyway?
L302[15:24:23] <Supercheese> same thing that happens to all one-hit wonders
L303[15:24:33] <Supercheese> relegated to the dustbin of history
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L307[15:55:43] <Rokker> Supercheese: it makes me sad that it's considered a hit
L308[15:55:56] <Supercheese> there have been far, far worse
L309[15:56:49] <Fluburtur> Rokker https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/487710645198913556/DSC_9618.JPG
L310[15:57:07] <Rokker> perhaps, but the fact that it got so popular while being so bad makes me sad
L311[15:57:48] <Rokker> Fluburtur: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tqqE1jq7/20180907_125149.jpg
L312[15:58:08] <Fluburtur> nice grid
L313[16:00:13] <Rokker> Fluburtur: I found out the museums B-26 flew for the Free French air force
L314[16:00:33] <Fluburtur> nice
L315[16:00:53] <Rokker> painted up as american tho
L316[16:00:59] <Rokker> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5Eu2LaYT/20180907_130031.jpg
L317[16:02:26] <Rokker> Fluburtur: also I discovered the the summer unicolor, 1943 A-20G camo in war thunder is actually a post-invasion free french camo with 1944 invasion stripes
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L320[16:03:42] <Fluburtur> lel
L321[16:11:21] <Rokker> so it's not unicolor, it's not 1943, and it likely wasn't even used in the summer with that skin or was only used for a short time
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L326[16:48:06] <Supercheese> tfw still no B-26 in War Thunder
L327[16:48:09] <Supercheese> T__T
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L329[16:51:24] <Rokker> Supercheese: right?
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L332[16:55:18] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
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L339[19:03:02] <maltesh> Spent an hour and a half on the line with my cable company trying to figure out why I wasn't getting the speeds I was expecting off my internet. Ultimately discovered that my router's QoS settings had been told that my internet was at the speed it was when I had it run a test a year or two ago, and were helpfully keeping things that way.
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L347[19:25:03] <UmbralRaptor> oops
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L350[19:27:19] <maltesh> Yeah, I'd completely forgotten I'd done that to try toget better bandwidth priority on my speed-testing raspberry pi. In retrospect, it was a mistake for a few reasons.
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L353[19:45:43] <darsie> Why can't I transfer fuel? http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot27.png
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L357[19:53:02] <darsie> Hmm, saved and loaded the game and it works.
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L360[19:59:11] <darsie> Allright, then, my optimized Duna lander can land and get back to orbit, refuel and get back to Kerbin: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot25.png
L361[20:00:48] <darsie> .tell althego My lander is now flatter http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot25.png
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L368[21:49:27] <Tank2333> https://youtu.be/ycPr5-27vSI
L369[21:49:27] <kmath> YouTube - Joe Rogan Experience #1169 - Elon Musk
L370[21:51:18] <Tank2333> He is such an awkward guy
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L373[21:57:29] <mabus> also: water wet
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L381[22:58:47] <Rolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PiyUjVxukI fun
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L392[23:48:02] <transitbiker> single player survival minecraft! https://gaming.youtube.com/channel/UCZuDQkMA5GF3Jh29ElK3-uQ/live
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