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L5[01:01:23] <BlackMoon> voyager weekly
report: still cold... very vacuum.
L6[01:02:17] <JVFoxy> was actually a lot
more to things than that...
L7[01:03:27] <JVFoxy> it gave mag role
status, RTG output, excess power amount, sensor activity, RCS fuel
quantity, reaction wheel activity
L8[01:04:15] <Gasher[work]> ok, then lets
add to that "... i'm dying"
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L10[01:05:38] <JVFoxy> DSN also reported
data transmission activity. how many of the timer reset signals got
received.
L11[01:06:22] <JVFoxy> meh.. no dead
/yet/...
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L15[01:19:19] <Barbarai87> Hi!
L16[01:19:56] <Gasher[work]> and bye
L17[01:20:00] <Gasher[work]> spammer
L18[01:20:36] <Gasher[work]> TheKosmonaut,
UmbralRaptop i guess it's a spammer here
L19[01:21:02] <TheKosmonaut> Let's
see
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L21[01:22:17] <JVFoxy> bleh..?
L22[01:22:25] <Gasher[work]> lol st
petersburg ip
L23[01:24:17] <Althego> lol
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L35[02:24:34] <tigerboy4947> Hello!
L36[02:24:34] <tigerboy4947> ^_^
L38[02:25:20] <tigerboy4947> How's
everybody doing here?
L39[02:25:52] <Althego> that reminds me of
the funny spammer. we are not doing, allah is doing :)
L40[02:26:18] <tigerboy4947> That.... can
be a respected interpretation of matters.
L41[02:26:25] <TheKosmonaut> Only mods are
doing
L42[02:26:37] <tigerboy4947> Only the
almighty JEB is doing.
L43[02:26:55] <Althego> even jeb can
die
L44[02:27:01] <Althego> for a few days
:)
L45[02:27:18] <tigerboy4947> Right.
L46[02:27:20] <tigerboy4947>
<,<
L47[02:27:33] <tigerboy4947> ....sorry, I'm
a little new to this IRC channel.
L48[02:27:50] <Althego> basicalyl no
cursing, politics or religion
L49[02:27:57] <Althego> and no drugs
L50[02:27:59] <tigerboy4947> I guess it'd
only be appropriate to start the conversation by asking everybody
what brings them here?
L51[02:28:04] <tigerboy4947> ...right. I
knew those rules.
L52[02:28:26] <TheKosmonaut> I am always
here
L53[02:28:28] <TheKosmonaut> Watching
L54[02:28:30] <TheKosmonaut> Waiting
L55[02:28:31] <Althego> hehe
L56[02:28:38] <tigerboy4947> 0_o
L57[02:28:43] <tigerboy4947> Alright. Any
everybody else?
L58[02:28:43] <TheKosmonaut> Archiving
memes for future generations
L59[02:28:48] <Althego> serious problems
dudu
L60[02:28:53] <Althego> dude
L61[02:29:03] <JVFoxy> ....
L62[02:29:15] <JVFoxy> >_<
L63[02:29:26] <TheKosmonaut> Too many
emoticons
L64[02:29:30] <TheKosmonaut> Owo
L65[02:29:32] <JVFoxy> ok so... deployed a
base thing near the pole
L66[02:29:50] <JVFoxy> I got the plane back
home, went back out through tracking station... base thing is just
spinning slowly
L67[02:29:51] <tigerboy4947> Oh? Pole of
which body?
L68[02:29:56] <Rokker> and no pirating
Althego
L69[02:30:00] <JVFoxy> kerbin...
L70[02:30:08] <tigerboy4947> ._.
L71[02:30:11] <tigerboy4947> Okay.
L72[02:30:12] <JVFoxy> was testing an idea
out to build a polar station with modules
L73[02:30:14] <tigerboy4947> Which
pole?
L74[02:30:22] <tigerboy4947> Huh.
Alright.
L75[02:30:37] <tigerboy4947> Were you
thinking of deploying it anywhere in particular? Is it just a test,
or the real thing?
L76[02:31:04] <JVFoxy> not at the pole
itself but short walking distance... looks like switching to the
base part, caused some parts to bend alittle as well
L77[02:31:23] <tigerboy4947> Mh. Are you
using autostrut?
L78[02:31:27] <TheKosmonaut> All failures
are tests. Successes will be classified as missions. - KSP Senior
Administrator
L79[02:31:27] <JVFoxy> no
L80[02:31:52] <tigerboy4947> Yeah, pretty
much. ^
L81[02:32:09] <tigerboy4947> I've basically
come to love autostrut like a child. Do you have a moral qualm with
it?
L82[02:33:55] <JVFoxy> retract legs,
leave.. go back through tracking station, looks like it gets
dropped onto the ground when it loads
L83[02:34:12] <JVFoxy> deploy legs, it
starts shimying.
L84[02:34:20] <tigerboy4947> That.
L85[02:34:21] <tigerboy4947>
>_<
L86[02:34:36] <tigerboy4947> ...seriously,
try autostrut. It solves, like, 99% of structural problems.
L87[02:38:01] <tigerboy4947> ....as for the
rest of you, I'm curious. What would each of you consider your most
successful kerbal achievement?
L88[02:39:09] <JVFoxy> .....
L89[02:39:22] <tigerboy4947> ???
L90[02:39:32] <JVFoxy> I just recovered
things.. its late. I've a feeling when switching to things on the
ground, causes them to spawn in the air and fall
L91[02:39:46] <tigerboy4947> Right. I still
hate that.
L92[02:40:12] <JVFoxy> more of a problem
when closer to the pole since things get exaggerated height
wise.
L93[02:40:33] <tigerboy4947> Didn't
actually know that bit.
L94[02:40:43] <JVFoxy> I would love to try
landing on the moon but its like trying to land on millions of
miles of jagged teeth
L95[02:41:20] <tigerboy4947> ....you
haven't landed on the moon yet?
L96[02:41:26] <tigerboy4947> Mun*
L97[02:41:33] <JVFoxy> hold up...
L98[02:41:39] <JVFoxy> yes I landed on the
mun.. many times
L99[02:41:46] <tigerboy4947> Oh. The
MOON.
L100[02:41:54] <tigerboy4947> Like,
RSS?
L101[02:42:31] <BlackMoon> tigerboy4947:
the invention of 5M fuel tanks.
L102[02:42:32] <JVFoxy> problem is, the
way they do the height projections for bodies, the closer to the
poles you get, the height mapping gets more and more
exagerated
L103[02:42:58] <tigerboy4947> Right. So
you get weird problems like the mohole.
L104[02:43:18] <BlackMoon> JVFoxy:
Detailed, technically.
L105[02:43:54] <BlackMoon> I did some
expairments on this. projecting the world as a cube works much
better at preventing distortions
L106[02:44:01] <tigerboy4947>
Really.
L107[02:44:19] <BlackMoon> although you
still need some compensation for cube->sphere mapping
L108[02:45:14] <JVFoxy> I was trying to
land a base controller within walking distance from the pole.. go
back up later with a couple of cabin parts, connect them together.
Next would be set of fuel tanks, then a couple of of
vehicles.
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L110[02:45:58] <BlackMoon> JVFoxy: RIP
your framerate around step 2 or 3
L111[02:47:37] <JVFoxy> like I said..
testing.. hoping to do a recording but wanna work out issues first.
I wasn't actually expecting the thing to actually jump from the
ground, break itself, start spinning like it was posessed
L112[02:47:46] <JVFoxy> well ok.. slow
spin but still
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L126[05:44:19] <Dorothy1989> Hi
L127[05:44:22] <Mod9000> Hello,
Dorothy1989
L128[05:48:48] <Eddi|zuHause> name pattern
suggests another spammer
L129[05:52:59] <TheKosmonaut> Indeed
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L131[05:53:39] <TheKosmonaut> Zarthus:
what up with that
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L140[07:52:54] <Eddi|zuHause> i know, we
should ban all people who have girls names. because that is not
sexist at all
L141[07:59:21] <Eclipser> ew girls
L142[08:16:47] <GlassYuri> have you ever
had orange juice flow out of your nose
L143[08:17:05] <Eclipser> yes
L144[08:21:51] <GlassYuri> ...getting a
flat yes was not the answer I expected
L145[08:23:10] <Eclipser> it's not a
pleasant feeling
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L147[08:29:17] <Bllaank> Anyone here have
an R9 295X2?
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L149[08:39:45] <GlassYuri> why does paypal
still have a 20 char password cap
L150[08:40:01] <Truga> because paypal is
the worst
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L152[08:40:34] <GlassYuri> Truga, well
considering the alternative is entering your credit card
information into every website you buy from
L153[08:41:00] <GlassYuri> ...I actually
reset my password just recently
L154[08:41:08] <GlassYuri> still can't
remember it
L155[08:41:55] <Truga> use a password
vault
L156[08:42:10] <GlassYuri> I have my
alipay password written down here, I'm so close to just setting my
steam store region to china
L157[08:42:15] <GlassYuri> probably a
terrible idea
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L170[10:04:29] <Althego> heh, polar
explorer flight cancelled with strong suspicion of fraud
L172[10:05:50] <kmath> YouTube - A
Cappella THX Logo Theme
L174[10:06:05] <kmath> YouTube - 21 August
1968 - diorama 1/72 - Praha 21 srpen 1968
L175[10:06:21] <Fluburtur> not yet
L176[10:12:05] <Althego> lol thx
L177[10:18:10] <Althego> people exists who
dont know about leeroy jenkins
L178[10:19:01] <Eddi|zuHause> i have
definitely heard that name, but i have no clue what it is...
L179[10:19:12] <Althego> hehe
L180[10:19:20] <Althego> but they didnt
even hear about him
L181[10:19:29] <Althego> and working as a
programmer
L182[10:19:31] <Althego> strange
L183[10:21:06] <Fluburtur> leeroy jenkins
is a kinda old thing now
L184[10:21:10] <Fluburtur> but still
overly funny
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L189[10:39:04] <Althego> ehat
L190[10:39:12] <Althego> how does a
microwave explode?
L191[10:39:17] <Althego> ok, some
plasma
L192[10:39:19] <Althego> but still
L193[10:39:20] <Fluburtur> they do in
florida
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L196[10:40:53] <Fluburtur> in florida,
microwaves explode you
L197[10:40:59] <Althego> hehe
L198[10:51:22] <Mat2ch> Althego: I never
learnt about Jenkins. Different culture, I guess
L199[10:52:06] <Althego> come on, i never
played wow, yet i know of leeroy
L200[10:52:14] <Althego> and i just cut my
hand with a mirror
L201[10:52:44] <Mat2ch> I never played WoW
either
L202[10:52:50] <Mat2ch> no linux, no like
;)
L203[10:53:09] <Althego> by now wow
probably runs on linux in wine
L204[10:56:53] <Althego> hehe. lois.
soldering a board in black shirt and black gloves. user comment:
where do you get your mass murderer outfits?
L205[10:57:04] <Althego> *loius
L206[10:59:07] <Mat2ch> wine is not
running on linux. It's some kind of emulation. No like.
L207[10:59:21] <Althego> "wine is not
an emulator"
L208[10:59:25] <Althego> it is a win32
api
L209[10:59:26] <UmbralRaptop> That's
silly. You use easily replaceable latex or nitrile gloves.
L210[10:59:41] <Althego> yes he has some
plastic gloves but they are black
L211[10:59:52] <Mat2ch> Althego: so, what
does emulation do? ;)
L212[11:00:18] <Althego> it does so as if
it was but it isnt. (the missile knows where it is)
L213[11:00:22] <Mat2ch> there are
different steps, from building the environment (what wine does) to
simulation the whole computer (what qemu does)
L214[11:00:40] <Mat2ch> *simulating
L215[11:00:52] <Althego> but i never uysed
wine
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L217[11:00:58] <Mat2ch> but all is
emulation. Even though the wine people say naaah ;)
L218[11:01:09] <Althego> man, today even
x86 is emulation
L219[11:01:16] <Althego> it is emulated by
a risc cpu running inside
L220[11:04:37] <Mat2ch> :D
L221[11:04:54] <Mat2ch> Still, a native
linux version runs faster and better :P
L222[11:07:05] <Althego> directx has to be
emulated in opengl, that is probably an issue
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L235[12:50:11] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Mat2ch> wine is not running on linux. It's some kind of
emulation. No like. <-- but WINE stands for Wine Is Not an
Emulator
L236[12:50:39] <JVFoxy> lol
L237[12:52:11] <KrazyKrl> Everyone knows
it's just layers of abstraction the whole way down.
L238[12:53:23] <Eddi|zuHause> that is
pretty much exactly what all modern computers are
L239[12:54:29] <JVFoxy> ...
microcode...
L240[12:55:55] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: it's
still a kind of emulation ;)
L241[12:56:32] <Eddi|zuHause> Mat2ch: it's
the same kind of discussion about interpreted/compiled
languages
L242[12:56:33] <JVFoxy> as opposed to
pre-modern computers.. if there is such a thing?
L243[12:56:43] <Althego> let me phrase it
this way. wine is like the java google made
L244[12:56:56] <Althego> it is not the
original but it does the areound the same
L245[12:57:56] <Eddi|zuHause> if C++ is
compiled into machine code, but machine code is actually
interpreted by microcode. does that make C++ an interpreted
language?
L246[12:58:32] <JVFoxy> high level vs low
level coding.. you generally don't count microcode
L247[12:58:59] <JVFoxy> sorry.. I was
looking into videos on building CPU's on breadboards and some other
things
L248[12:59:10] <Althego> hehe
L249[12:59:20] <Eddi|zuHause> then java is
compiled into java bytecode. the bytecode is interpreted by the
jvm, is java an interpreted language?
L250[12:59:41] <Althego> basically all
interpreted languages are compiled into bytecode
L251[12:59:45] <Althego> so this doesnt
help
L252[12:59:52] <Althego> but usually you
dont have to do tht consciously
L253[12:59:58] <Althego> that is why i
think java is dumb
L254[13:00:04] <JVFoxy> I mean.. you could
probably try to do lower level coding than machine, just use
microcoding, but then you are eating up a lot more mem-space.
machine code is basically a macro of microcodes.
L255[13:00:55] <Althego> you try using the
mmu to run your program, it has only 1 instruction :)
L256[13:00:56] <Eddi|zuHause> they once
built a processor that directly ran prolog code
L257[13:01:21] <Althego> i though they
built cpus to run java too
L258[13:01:24] <Eddi|zuHause> (that was in
the 1970s, when prolog was all the rage)
L259[13:01:37] <JVFoxy> Althego you may as
well just 'ROM' the code into the CPU itself
L260[13:01:38] <Althego> luckily i never
met that
L261[13:01:52] <Althego> that is
essentially what a microcontroller is
L262[13:02:12] <JVFoxy> I know.. I just
watched EEV log's video on the Merlin last night
L263[13:02:31] <Fluburtur> so I decided to
make myself a mini dornier 335 for some reason
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L265[13:02:41] <Althego> because you jsut
cant stop
L266[13:02:46] <Fluburtur> yes
L267[13:03:03] <Althego> you are going to
die when yopur own rc plane hits you and you fall off a
bridge
L268[13:03:16] <Fluburtur> why would I fly
a rc plane from a bridge
L269[13:03:25] <Fluburtur> im more likely
to fly a rc plane from a mountain
L270[13:03:27] <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't
dornier always building water planes?
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L272[13:04:03] <Fluburtur> not
always
L273[13:04:11] <Althego> you have to add
some kind of iron man armor pieces homing capability in case you
hit the tree on the island again
L274[13:04:33] <Eddi|zuHause> ok, then
maybe predominantly
L275[13:04:57] <Althego> alternatively
never go near an island again
L276[13:05:06] <JVFoxy> I'd love to go to
mountains over here, try some radio stuff. Stupid smoke
L277[13:07:52] <Althego> i was thinking
maybe i should do something in the real word
L278[13:07:55] <Althego> world
L279[13:07:59] <Althego> but what
L280[13:08:14] <Althego> microcontroller
programmign is interesting, however without a project i cant do
anything
L281[13:08:27] <Althego> maybe something
with an sdr?
L282[13:08:41] <Althego> i could write
filters and stuff, that is something close to what i have learned
too
L283[13:08:47] <Althego> but what
for?
L284[13:09:05] <Althego> listening to
satellite signals could be interesting, but i cant get to the
roof
L285[13:09:14] <JVFoxy> SDR huh?
L286[13:09:26] <Althego> and no way i
would carry a huge antenna several hundred meters
L287[13:09:45] <JVFoxy> built myself an 8
element beam.. probably got too many elements for certain
satellites
L288[13:10:05] <JVFoxy> but if I wanted, I
can pull things apart, pack it down to just the pole. very
light
L289[13:10:40] <Althego> maybe i could
build a gyrocompass, always wanted that. but too much mechanical
stuff in that
L290[13:10:42] <JVFoxy> Althego there are
plans to do a very light 3 element antenna, using 'music
wire'.
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L295[13:31:01] <JVFoxy> wondering.. who
here has landed bases.. switched back to them through tracking
station. Found any 'issue's?
L296[13:31:32] <Althego> hehe
L297[13:31:44] <Althego> i think issues in
these case have been there forever
L298[13:31:48] <Althego> maybe they
changed
L299[13:32:02] <Althego> but sudden
jumping, explosions, strange events
L300[13:32:31] <JVFoxy> base I tested last
night, would spawn a few feet above the ground, drop, partially
break
L301[13:32:46] <Eddi|zuHause> last time i
had a plane landed in the wild, it jumped up and flipped over on
load
L302[13:32:47] <JVFoxy> then slowly
rotated like it was poessed
L303[13:33:04] <JVFoxy> ah..
L304[13:33:23] <JVFoxy> well I know when
you spawn on the runway, sometimes things drop too. unless you
'clamped' it
L305[13:34:15] <Eddi|zuHause> the game
should probably store more stuff, like forces and compression
L306[13:34:31] <Eddi|zuHause> so it can
spawn the stuff in equilibrium
L307[13:35:01] <Eddi|zuHause> instead of
spawning the original positions, and then let everything collapse
on itself
L308[13:35:06] <Althego> you call that a
drop? that is nothing
L309[13:35:19] <JVFoxy> I know in the
hangars, when you create things, it can be any height above the
floor. When you spawn, it has to account for things so it doesn't
just drop from a height or spawn underground
L310[13:35:27] <Althego> reposition in a
full flight simulator, and you are in for 2 minutes of altitude
afjustment
L311[13:35:57] <Althego> and overlapping
with other few minutes of image generator loading (for all the 5
polygons)
L312[13:37:06] <Eddi|zuHause> well,
spawning new craft on the runway is a special case, because the
hangar doesn't calculate these forces
L313[13:37:28] <Eddi|zuHause> but if you
switch from a vessel and back, it did calculate all the forces
once, just discards it because it's not saved
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L315[13:41:28] <JVFoxy> vessel resting on
the ground, just 4 landing legs, not mobile...? I went back, did
find the legs were all set to 1..
L316[13:43:02] <Althego> why is this so
hard to do? the object has a position on the surface. whatever the
rotation of the body is, it is rest compared to it. is it numerical
precision issue?
L317[13:43:13] <JVFoxy> made some
adjustments last night afterwords. By then I was about ready to
pass out, so didn't test things out
L318[13:44:15] <JVFoxy> I figured the
rotating was because of the parts holding the legs got bent up..
legs were doing something funny. I don't have any reaction wheels
on it. Just the dome probe
L319[13:44:48] <JVFoxy> retracted legs,
flipped out and back through tracking station. extended legs, thing
just started shaking very slightly.. -shrug
L320[13:46:21] *
JVFoxy fires up KSP again.. try this again...
L321[13:46:46] <Althego> mamma mia, here
we go again...
L322[13:48:03] <JVFoxy> testing.. though I
get the feeling when its all done, I may loose the mood to record
things
L323[13:48:37] <Althego> the issue may be
the distance (or lack of) to the pole
L324[13:48:50] <JVFoxy> wanna avoid
directly on the pole..
L325[13:49:15] <JVFoxy> I was setup a
short walk from it... thinking maybe a bit more of a buffer
zone?
L326[13:49:29] <Althego> think of maybe a
few kms
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L328[13:51:31] <Laura_s80> Hey!
L329[13:51:51] <JVFoxy> C_C
L330[13:52:15] <UmbralRaptop>
Zarthus!
L331[13:52:19] <Althego> not again
L332[13:52:31] <UmbralRaptop> sadly
L333[13:52:44] <UmbralRaptop> Laura_s80 is
another spambot
L334[13:52:57] <Althego> spambot is not
doing :)
L335[13:53:19] <Althego> what i dont
understand, why does anybody think advertising on irc is good? do
it on facebook, lot more people there
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L337[13:55:55] <UmbralRaptop> unsure
L338[13:57:08] <JVFoxy> ..... grumble. ok
so docked up to the base part.. keep forgetting it sets my control
point to the base not hte plane. >.<
L339[13:58:26] <JVFoxy> back to trying to
load up cargo again.. this time, remember to reset the control
point
L340[13:59:16] <Althego> "control
from here"
L341[14:00:16] <JVFoxy> I know.. just ..
moving plane to pickup cargo. end up with cargo as control point,
and since the probe is pointing straight up, steering gets totally
messed up. Do my takeoff run, end up veering off the side and
blowing up.
L342[14:01:35] <JVFoxy> tier 1 hangar...
so limited to 30 parts.. take plane, park it side of runway. take
base part, spawn it. drive plane back over, pick it up. :)
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L344[14:07:08] <Tank2333> Fluburtur from
1933-1945 Dornier had production facilities in my hometown
L345[14:08:49] <JVFoxy> ok .. thats weird
now... SAS become non responsive
L346[14:09:03] <Althego> battery?
L347[14:09:37] <Tank2333> at first they
build DO 11 DO 13 and DO 23 and after they merged the northern
facilities they also did He 111 Ju 88 and Fw 190
L348[14:10:10] <JVFoxy> no.. battery full.
wonder if its because I switched to the base part, extended legs to
dock instead of dropping the plane on top
L349[14:10:24] <Althego> hehe i was
looking at these characters and was wondering what it means in hex,
because in ascii it would have been stupid
L350[14:10:42] <Althego> D0 11 D0 13 D0 23
:)
L351[14:15:26] <Tank2333> 11+13=23
L352[14:23:02] <JVFoxy> ok there.. SAS not
being stupid now
L353[14:27:20] <JVFoxy> Althego you said a
few kms from the pole.. how far would that be on the co-ordinate
system do you know?
L354[14:28:00] <JVFoxy> first attempt was
something like 89'59"30s...
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L356[14:36:35] <Althego> isnt there a
launch today?
L357[14:36:53] <Althego> no, pushed to
wednesday, still late at night
L358[14:37:28] <JVFoxy> hmm...
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L360[14:44:58] <Althego> that 3` seconds
is around 35` meters
L361[14:45:00] <Althego> 350
L362[14:45:19] <Althego>
(30+60*59+3600*89)/(90*3600)*3769911
L363[14:45:21] <Althego> eh
L364[14:45:37] <Althego>
(1-(30+60*59+3600*89)/(90*3600))*3769911
L365[14:46:14] <JVFoxy> derp..
L366[14:47:06] <JVFoxy> 128 seconds
L367[14:47:13] <JVFoxy> if I wanna be
1.5km away
L368[14:47:31] <Rolf> freenode down for
you guys also?
L369[14:47:44] <Althego> seems to be
working
L370[14:48:24] <Rolf> oh finally could
reconnect
L371[14:49:01] <JVFoxy> lol.. went map
view... mobile base.. itsa fly'n base
L372[14:49:08] <JVFoxy> silly icon
L373[14:49:13] <Althego> hehe
L374[14:49:29] <Althego> in current
version you can select what heppens to the icon on detach
L375[14:49:42] <JVFoxy> priority
thing?
L376[14:50:01] <Althego> something in some
context menu
L377[14:52:03] <JVFoxy> I saw it in the
hangar.. clicking on probe body to adjust the icon.. was a slider
to set priority
L378[14:52:11] <JVFoxy> something to do
with docking/undocking
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L381[14:58:08] <Carolh84> Hello!
L382[14:58:19] <Althego> no stopping
them
L383[14:58:24] <Althego> *i guess(
L384[15:01:06] <sandbox> they messaged me
with their spam
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L387[15:08:57] <JVFoxy> ok.. finally
making it to the ice shelf
L388[15:09:08] <JVFoxy> 1x speed... I
coulda doubled but eh..
L389[15:09:32] <Althego> dream engine in
first gear
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L391[15:11:21] <JVFoxy> huh?
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L399[15:47:24] <BettyNM> Hey
L400[15:47:57] <UmbralRaptop> okay, but
are you classified as human?
L401[15:48:11] <KrazyKrl> A meat walrus
robot potato.
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L404[16:00:52] <JVFoxy> so far...
88'7"21s seems to be ok.. speed keeps flipping 0.1-0.0 but nav
says its not moving a milimeter...
L405[16:03:31] <JVFoxy> wonder if setting
it as 'base' does it affect how it loads
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L409[16:30:26] <JVFoxy> .... bot hit me
with spam a moment ago.. >.>
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L413[16:41:14] <kmath> YouTube - The
One-Electron Universe | Space Time
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L415[16:52:20] <JVFoxy> .....
L416[16:52:31] <JVFoxy> ok so.. flew home.
went back to the base, it still rotating
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L419[16:53:45] <JVFoxy> ....
L420[16:53:53] <JVFoxy> the heck..
L421[16:53:57] <JVFoxy> retract
legs.
L422[16:54:18] <JVFoxy> go back to ksc..
back through tracking center. to pole station. its sitting
fine.
L423[16:54:26] <JVFoxy> extend
legs..
L424[16:54:33] <JVFoxy> legs overstress
then pop.. gone
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L426[16:57:08] <JVFoxy> suppose I could
try without the landing legs for first part... \
L427[17:00:58] <JVFoxy> sigh. break time I
suppose
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L435[18:15:41] <tigerboy4947> Hello?
L436[18:16:01] <Supercheese> Achievement
unlocked: Hello world
L437[18:16:10] <tigerboy4947> Yay.
L438[18:16:10] <tigerboy4947> ^_^
L439[18:16:17] <tigerboy4947> How's going,
supercheese?
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L441[18:16:31] <Supercheese> too hot
L442[18:16:39] <Supercheese> too many
wildfires in the region :(
L443[18:16:42] <tigerboy4947> Yeah. Same.
Southern California here.
L444[18:16:55] <Supercheese> all up and
down the west coast, bad smoke
L445[18:17:01] <Supercheese> Air quality:
Nope
L446[18:17:08] <tigerboy4947> Yep.
L447[18:17:12] <tigerboy4947> Where you
at, then?
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L449[18:18:37] <Supercheese>
Idaho/Washington border
L450[18:18:47] <Supercheese> yesterday it
felt like Beijing, China though
L451[18:18:53] <Supercheese> sun was
orange/red
L452[18:18:56] <tigerboy4947> Heh. At
least you're a little up north.
L453[18:19:06] <tigerboy4947> You actually
see the snow on some days.
L454[18:19:18] <tigerboy4947> Here, we
have two seasons. Green and brown.
L455[18:20:17] <Supercheese> yeah I lived
in Northern California for a while
L456[18:20:28] <Supercheese> best weather,
well, when it's not fire season
L457[18:20:43] <tigerboy4947> Yeah.
L458[18:20:48] <tigerboy4947> So what
brings you to this chat?
L459[18:21:26] <Supercheese> 13 gigabytes
worth of RAM being reserved for Kerbal Space Program, and still
it's not enough
L460[18:21:34] <Supercheese> KSP just
devours memory
L461[18:21:38] <tigerboy4947> XD
L462[18:21:40] <tigerboy4947> That, it can
do.
L463[18:21:47] <tigerboy4947> What have
you got going on in the thing?
L464[18:22:09] <Supercheese> Science
playthrough aiming to collect every possible science experiment in
all biomes and all situations
L465[18:22:21] <tigerboy4947> Oh boy.
Sounds like quite the tall order.
L466[18:22:30] <Supercheese> which
includes some oddballs like Landed in water zones and Splashed in
mountain zones
L467[18:22:44] <tigerboy4947> And here I
was, thinking I was high and mighty, just because I had placed a
flat on every celestial body one can place flags on
L468[18:24:03] <tigerboy4947> What have
you gotten done so far?
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L470[18:25:14] <Supercheese> Kerbin, Mun,
Minmus, Ike, Duna all complete
L471[18:25:20] <Supercheese> next up are
Eve and Gilly
L472[18:25:40] <Supercheese> building a
ship to return crew from Eve is the next big challenge
L473[18:25:52] <tigerboy4947> Ah! You
haven't gotten there yet, huh?
L474[18:26:48] <Supercheese> Plenty of
unmanned
L475[18:26:57] <Supercheese> but for
collecting all science, need those Crew Reports
L476[18:27:01] <tigerboy4947> Right.
L477[18:27:04] <tigerboy4947> Mh.
L478[18:27:26] <tigerboy4947> I guess the
most straightforward method would be to land a rover + boat
vehicle,
L479[18:27:35] <tigerboy4947> one that can
work under Eve's massive gravity,
L480[18:27:46] <tigerboy4947> and which
had a lander pod as its cockpit.
L481[18:28:18] <tigerboy4947> Then, travel
across every biome with your scientist, and step out to
"retrieve data" from the pod,
L482[18:28:28] <tigerboy4947> before
entering the pod again with all data stored within.
L483[18:28:43] <tigerboy4947> Then, travel
across the globe, visiting each biome.
L484[18:33:51] <tigerboy4947> Think that'd
work?
L485[18:36:30] <Supercheese> that's pretty
much the plan
L486[18:36:39] <tigerboy4947>
Alright.
L487[18:36:42] <Supercheese> Have an
ascent vehicle at the top of a mountain
L488[18:36:55] <Supercheese> drop an
amphib rover to go everywhere
L489[18:37:01] <Supercheese> collect all
data, transfer to ascender
L490[18:37:10] <Supercheese> cross
fingers, quicksave
L491[18:37:25] <tigerboy4947> Need advice
on the ascent vehicle?
L492[18:37:55] <Supercheese> I have a
vehicle en route, but I'm definitely going to need to save and test
it before proceeding with the full mission
L493[18:38:16] <tigerboy4947>
Alright.
L494[18:38:25] <Supercheese> the Near
Future mods have some engines that have good performance even in
deep atmo
L495[18:38:31] <tigerboy4947> For my Eve
lander, I used the debug toolbar and cheats.
L496[18:38:34] <Supercheese> hehe
L497[18:38:42] <tigerboy4947> Put it into
orbit around Eve to save the lengthy trip and test new
designs.
L498[18:38:51] <Supercheese> if I were
pure stock I'd probably use aerospikes
L499[18:38:59] <tigerboy4947> How much
does it have in its Delta-V budget?
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L501[18:39:31] <Supercheese> well, it
depends on what atmospheric height I choose in Kerbal
Engineer
L502[18:39:40] <Supercheese> I have an
intended landing site at ~7km altitude
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L504[18:39:48] <Supercheese> but I'm not
confident in my precision landing abilities
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L506[18:39:57] <tigerboy4947> That's
pretty choosey. Only one spot where you can manage that.
L507[18:40:15] <Supercheese> yeah I send a
drone rover out to find a flat-ish mountain peak
L508[18:40:18] <tigerboy4947> Unless you
have gliding or propulsion abilities, expect a lot of trial and
error.
L509[18:40:31] <tigerboy4947> Is it
landing loaded or empty of fuel?
L510[18:40:59] <Supercheese> I plan to
land with full fuel, after exhausting the transfer stage of its
fuel to burn off as much horizontal speed as possible
L511[18:41:06] <Supercheese> hopefully
increasing landing accuracy
L512[18:41:09] <tigerboy4947> Mh.
L513[18:41:13] <tigerboy4947> Another tall
order.
L514[18:41:24] <tigerboy4947> Even a light
ascent vehicle for Eve tends to get heavy.
L515[18:41:36] <Supercheese> yeah I had to
launch it empty and fuel it up in orbit
L516[18:41:41] <Supercheese> of
Kerbin
L517[18:41:52] <tigerboy4947> That's one
way to make it work.
L518[18:42:15] <tigerboy4947> ....again,
what's its delta-V budget
L519[18:42:18] <tigerboy4947> ?
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L521[18:45:17] <Supercheese> KER tells me
10350 in vacuum, but I don't trust that entirely since I have
asparagus-staged boosters
L522[18:45:48] <tigerboy4947> Well, you
can figure it out another way. Taking the math into your own
hands.
L523[18:46:04] <tigerboy4947> You familiar
with the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation?
L524[18:47:22] <Supercheese> Isp log(wet
mass / dry mass) eh?
L525[18:47:24] <Supercheese> or wait
L526[18:47:26] <Supercheese> factor of g
in there
L527[18:47:36] <tigerboy4947> Yep.
L528[18:47:42] <tigerboy4947> And that's
9.81 m/s^2,
L529[18:47:46] <tigerboy4947> not
6.67*10^(-11)
L530[18:48:01] <Supercheese> the problem
comes when the specific impulse is non-constant due to atmospheric
effects
L531[18:48:24] <Supercheese> but I could
use the lowest value to establish a boundary I suppose
L532[18:48:27] <tigerboy4947> You can use
that equation to determine the Delta-V budget of each stage, and
change ISP to atmospheric for the first few stages.
L533[18:48:40] <JVFoxy> derp.. ok n/m...
was going to do some base testing.. but seems room mate needs to do
store run..
L534[18:48:49] <tigerboy4947> I find this
almost always gives me an accurate representation, since atmosphere
decreases exponentially.
L535[18:49:08] <Supercheese> yeah I think
my boosters will stage while still in atmo
L536[18:49:18] <Supercheese> but upper
stages will be vacuum
L537[18:49:22] <tigerboy4947> Just make
sure you don't multiply ISP based on number of engines. Just use
the one ISP for the type of engine in the stage.
L538[18:49:23] <tigerboy4947> Right.
L539[18:49:36] <tigerboy4947> And then you
add the total delta-V of each stage.
L540[18:49:40] <tigerboy4947> Tell me if
you get a number?
L541[18:49:47] <JVFoxy> I was hoping to
get some input on base building. Seems I've run into a bit of a
problem, possessed rotating parts while on the ground. :\
L542[18:50:04] <Supercheese> Base wiggling
around, eh?
L543[18:50:12] <tigerboy4947> Still?
L544[18:50:28] <Supercheese> I find that
having one of the MKS base parts with "Ground Tether" can
help with that
L545[18:50:42] <Supercheese> alternatively
you can use a MM patch to add Ground Tethering to more parts
L546[18:51:36] <JVFoxy> not so much
wiggling..
L547[18:52:18] <tigerboy4947> Also, MAKE
sure that it's log base e. Not 10.
L548[18:52:27] <JVFoxy> last test.. landed
it a few km from pole center.. detached from plane. Moved plane a
little bit away, parked it. Tried going back to center, then back
to base through tracking station. It was still fine
L549[18:52:46] <JVFoxy> after I flew plane
home, then went back to base, it started doing that turning on the
spot thing
L550[18:53:56] <JVFoxy> I'mma try a test
closer to home when I get back from RL errand....
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L552[18:54:30] <tigerboy4947> Getting
anything yet, Supercheese ?
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L560[19:24:13] <tigerboy4947> still there,
supercheese ?
L561[19:24:27] <tigerboy4947> Did I miss
anything?
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L589[21:58:20] <RuthVP1982> Hey
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L592[22:05:54] <Arynnia> @UmbralRaptop
check PMs
L593[22:07:14] <armed_troop> RuthVP1982 is
spamming
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L598[22:14:38] <UmbralRaptop> blarg
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L600[22:17:14] <Postosis> hey guys
L601[22:18:13] <Postosis> anyone familiar
with KOS programming?
L602[22:19:53] <Arynnia> Mrrrh
L603[22:20:03] <Arynnia> Never much cared
for kOS programming
L604[22:20:20] <Postosis> i was just
inspired to code again when i found it
L605[22:20:26] <Postosis> but im having
some strange issues
L606[22:20:47] <Postosis> if statements
being triggered without their conditions being met
L607[22:21:10] <Arynnia> Give me an
example
L608[22:21:12] <Arynnia> ?
L609[22:21:22] *
Arynnia does have some experience with programming in general, and
may be able to find a logic hole
L610[22:22:11] <Postosis> it wont let me
paste it multi line so give me a sec to type it out
L611[22:22:17] <Arynnia> Use a
pastebin
L612[22:22:24] <Postosis> dunno how to do
that
L614[22:24:06] <Postosis> i made it now
how do i copy it to paste here?
L615[22:24:14] <Arynnia> There should be a
link being provided
L616[22:24:46] <Postosis> it has buttons
at the top but no link
L617[22:24:49] <Postosis> no copy
L618[22:24:55] <Postosis> it has download
and embed
L619[22:25:07] <Arynnia> Okay, copy the
main link
L620[22:25:10] <Arynnia> from your
browser
L622[22:26:03] <Postosis> so in that
example its waiting for flightstatus to be 2
L623[22:26:31] <Postosis> however
flightstatus doesnt get changed to 2 until 90000m
L624[22:26:53] <Arynnia> Okay
L625[22:26:53] <Postosis> and it triggers
this statement at ground level
L626[22:27:07] <Arynnia> That period in
"if flightstatus = 2." is why
L627[22:27:26] <Arynnia> Because it's
reading that as an end of statement
L628[22:27:27] <Postosis> if i dont put
the period it gives an eoi error at the next line
L629[22:28:10] <Postosis> or do i need the
eoi at the end of the } for that statment?
L630[22:28:41] <Arynnia> Get rid of the
EoS for both if statements
L631[22:29:02] <Arynnia> It's not
needed
L632[22:29:08] <Arynnia> Use it within the
if statements
L633[22:29:10] <Arynnia> but not for
them
L635[22:30:10] <Arynnia> The EoI error may
have also been due to that missing curly at the end
L636[22:30:20] <Arynnia> You only had one
curly for a two-curly statement
L637[22:30:33] <Postosis> ok so if the
statement uses {} it doesn't need the . to end statement
L638[22:30:41] <Arynnia> Correct
L639[22:30:49] <Postosis> that may be my
problem then
L640[22:30:59] <Postosis> the whole code
is written like that lol
L641[22:31:01] <Arynnia> You can use
periods after the curly
L642[22:31:05] <Arynnia> But it's not
required
L643[22:31:19] <Postosis> thats just a cut
of the code i may have missed a }
L644[22:31:20] <Arynnia> i.e. if true
{print "hello".}.
L645[22:31:41] <Arynnia> But "if true
{print "hello".}" should also work
L647[22:33:25] <Postosis> ive been
bouncing between several sites to find tidbits of info
L648[22:33:45] <Postosis> mostly trying to
find out what arguments to call to get info
L649[22:33:49] <Postosis> like
altitude
L650[22:34:01] <Postosis> i was using
ship:altitude and it didnt like it
L651[22:35:59] <Postosis> ok so fixing the
eoi's allowed it to function correctly
L652[22:36:15] <Postosis> but it ended
program after the first stage command. tried to fire thrusters then
ended
L654[22:37:50] <Postosis> there is the
full script. its only supposed to get me into orbit
L655[22:37:57] <Postosis> so its pretty
short
L656[22:38:34] <Arynnia> Hang on
L657[22:38:36] <Postosis> but im missing
something thats causing it to crash just after the first
stage
L658[22:38:37] <Arynnia> link that to me
in just a mo
L659[22:38:46] <Postosis> ok let me know
when
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L663[22:42:47] <Arynnia> Okay
@postosis
L665[22:43:28] <JVFoxy> sigh..
L666[22:43:28] <Postosis> im going to try
adding preserve to each of the altitude check statements. it seems
to only run through the program once
L667[22:43:45] <Postosis> well no thats
not right
L668[22:43:50] <Arynnia> Stand by
L669[22:43:58] <Postosis> it needs a loop
but i couldnt get the "goto" command to work
L670[22:45:17] <Arynnia> Stand by!
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L672[22:46:12] <Arynnia> Okay
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L674[22:46:30] <Arynnia> For "if
flightstatus = 1 { ... }"
L675[22:47:03] <Arynnia> Use "until
flightstatus = 2 { ... }"
L676[22:47:10] <Arynnia> And WAIT commands
for each case
L677[22:47:38] <Postosis> it has wait
commands in each altitude check
L678[22:48:15] <Arynnia> Use that until
statement instead of the if
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L680[22:48:44] <Postosis> but wont that
restart it when the flightstatus changes to 3 as well
L681[22:49:21] <Arynnia> No
L682[22:49:59] <Arynnia> The program
should execute sequentially
L683[22:50:33] <Arynnia> If it concerns
you, then replace "= 2" with "> 1"
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L685[22:51:17] <Arynnia> as in "until
flightstatus > 1 { ... }"
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L688[22:52:29] <Postosis> still seems
strange
L689[22:52:56] <Postosis> i tried to do
while flightstatus = 1 {..} but it didnt like the while
command
L690[22:53:17] <Arynnia> Not WHILE
L691[22:53:20] <Arynnia> Use WHEN
L692[22:53:26] <Arynnia> if you're going
to do it that way
L693[22:53:43] <Postosis> ok so when
instead of while
L694[22:54:03] <Arynnia> "when
flightstatus = 1 then { ... }"
L695[22:54:20] <Postosis> kk let me try
that
L696[22:54:57] <Arynnia> Wait no
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L698[22:55:02] <Arynnia> When only fires
once
L699[22:55:27] <Arynnia> Wait yes
L700[22:55:34] <Arynnia> Add "return
true" to the cases
L701[22:55:40] <Arynnia> "return
true."*
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L703[22:56:57] <Arynnia> "when ...
then { if ... { ... return true. } }"
L704[22:58:08] <Arynnia> Here
L705[22:58:17] <Arynnia> Let me rework the
original program
L706[22:58:26] <Postosis> so it wanted me
to add a then to it (i removed it before cause it told me it didnt
want it)
L707[22:58:49] <Postosis> but it tells me
it wants it then tells me it doesnt like it lol
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L709[23:00:38] <Postosis> im glad i
started with a simple program
L710[23:00:53] <Postosis> would have been
hell finding the errors in a huge one
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L712[23:02:19] <Postosis> it says
unexpected token { expected eoi. but i dont want an eoi there. its
a then {...} situation
L713[23:02:44] <Arynnia> Are you putting
an EoS after the when ... ?
L714[23:03:19] <Postosis> its written
"when flightstatus = 1 then { ... }
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L716[23:04:02] <Postosis> which should be
correct
L717[23:04:41] <Arynnia> ugh
L718[23:04:57] <Arynnia> I just shut down
my comp, hence change of chats
L719[23:05:12] <Arynnia> I'll rework it
when I get my comp back up in a little
L720[23:05:12] <Postosis> lol
L721[23:05:15] <Postosis> np
L722[23:05:24] <Postosis> i like figuring
it out
L723[23:05:39] <Postosis> i learn better
by asking why and how than i do following someone elses work
L724[23:05:58] <Arynnia> Well, I want to
figure it out just to learn the logic
L725[23:06:27] <Postosis> the book can
tell you exactly how to write a code and what it should be when
done. but cannot answer how the variables work so that you can use
them elsewhere
L726[23:06:39] <Arynnia> Exactly
L727[23:06:47] <Arynnia> for that you need
to learn the logic
L728[23:07:01] <Postosis> i am a natural
with logic
L729[23:07:06] <Postosis> it comes so
easy
L730[23:07:27] <Postosis> i understand the
loop structure but there are qwirks in kos that are a bit
different
L731[23:07:40] <Postosis> not allowing a
goto line messed me up
L732[23:07:46] <Postosis> i dont know how
to loop it without that
L733[23:08:13] <Postosis> otherwise i
would have just added else goto loop in there and kept it from
ending
L734[23:11:32] <Postosis> afk
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L738[23:20:29] <JVFoxy> guh.....
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L740[23:21:18] <Postosis> ok i think i
figured out how to fix it. i need to run the altitude check
statements inside an until altitude > x loop
L741[23:21:43] <Postosis> so that it keeps
repeating the statements until it surpasses the altitude i
want
L742[23:34:51] <Postosis> grrr it doesn't
like "then" if i use then {...} it wants a . between like
this "then. {...}" which doesn't work. if i leave out the
"then" it says expected then....
L743[23:36:22] <JVFoxy> ok so guess I'm
not using landing legs for supporting a base on a surface...
darn
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L746[23:40:10] <Postosis> have you tried
increasing the spring and damper to make them stronger?
L747[23:40:59] <JVFoxy> to max.. still
slides slowly
L748[23:41:32] <JVFoxy> using a structural
part on the underside, it dosen't budge
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