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L5[00:27:00] <Althego> i knew
L6[00:27:14] <Althego> i have seen fake
tweeters before
L7[00:27:40] <Althego> ingenious chinese
invention isnt it?
L8[00:28:27] <Bllaank> You think they lose
future sales after people figure it out?
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L10[00:28:37] <Althego> no
L11[00:28:38] <oren> and for my next trick,
I will dock a space craft I forgot RCS on, to a space station with
no control at all!
L12[00:31:40] <Althego> use a kerbal and
push it in place
L13[00:34:36] <oren> I have valentina
already suited up and watching the docking
L14[00:38:29] <oren> actuall, due to some
incredible flying (luck), the ship came in perfectly straight and
docked!
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L17[00:46:05] <oren> Given that the docking
port is off centre and the space station was uncontrollable, this
was incredibly lucky flying
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L19[00:47:33] <oren> TIL the space station
contract requirement to have an antenna and generate power, does
not imply that there is an actual control pod on it
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L25[01:41:25] <Eddi|zuHause> my station
contracts usually also contain a clause "must have a
cupola"
L26[01:42:34] <Eddi|zuHause> however, i'm
mostly annoyed at the requirement "must be a new craft",
so you can't rely on support from existing craft
L27[01:42:40] <Eddi|zuHause> or extend an
existing station
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L40[03:14:36] <TheKosmonaut> Eddi|zuHause:
you're German right?
L41[03:15:19] <Mat2ch> oh no! Is that
contagious?
L42[03:15:31] <TheKosmonaut>
Hypothetically, if a British citizen was visiting Germany and had a
24in imac with them, perhaps being given to a friend that currently
lives in Germany, does this hypothetical person need to pay duty on
it?
L43[03:16:00] <Mat2ch> oh wow, you're
asking the hard questions...
L44[03:16:12] <TheKosmonaut> Crazy
right?
L45[03:16:35] <Mat2ch> first... as long as
nobody knows, nobody will care. ;)
L46[03:17:10] <TheKosmonaut> My mom is
visiting a family friend in Germany. That friend's family said
"HEY can you bring something to them for us?" And my mom
said yeah, expecting it to be some small junk.
L47[03:17:17] <Mat2ch> second, did you
think about the different power things? Like Schuko vs. the UK
plug?
L48[03:17:22] <TheKosmonaut> Then they show
up at our house with an imac
L49[03:17:34] <Mat2ch> A new one?
L50[03:17:37] <TheKosmonaut> Mat2ch: that's
not her problem. Lol. We aren't the ones that bought it.
L51[03:17:48] <TheKosmonaut> 2017 I
suppose. I didn't see it in person.
L52[03:17:57] <Mat2ch> afaik that could be
considered a gift, so...
L53[03:18:26] <TheKosmonaut> I mean, she
doesn't care. If they charge her then she will tell the people
she's visiting to pay up. Haha
L54[03:18:46] <Mat2ch> Who should charge
her?
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L56[03:19:26] <TheKosmonaut> I dunno. I
just remember a dummy friend of mine bought an iPhone and kept the
new box with them when they went back to Germany.
L57[03:19:35] <TheKosmonaut> They had to
pay a %
L58[03:20:07] <Mat2ch> There are only few
custom checks between the UK and the rest of the EU. And if you
don't fly there zero to no checks at all
L59[03:20:18] <TheKosmonaut> She's flying
from Asia
L60[03:20:20] <Mat2ch> well, with Brexit
this will change a lot.
L61[03:20:28] <Mat2ch> That's different.
:)
L62[03:20:29] <TheKosmonaut> She's a UK
citizen, but lives in Singapore.
L63[03:20:32] <Mat2ch> UK is still in the
EU
L64[03:21:17] <Mat2ch> When your device is
too new they may ask. Like buying a phone in asia before it's even
on the market here
L65[03:22:55] <Mat2ch> let me find the
taric number, then I can tell you more
L66[03:23:04] <Mat2ch> (between UK and
DE)
L67[03:27:33] <Mat2ch> TheKosmonaut: ah,
finally.
L69[03:27:52] <Mat2ch> TheKosmonaut: We've
got something called "Free movement of goods" in the
European Union.
L70[03:28:27] <Mat2ch> We can buy and sell
stuff to where we want and don't pay any customs
L71[03:28:34] <TheKosmonaut> Huh
L72[03:28:36] <Mat2ch> I knew that, but
forgot...
L73[03:28:55] <Mat2ch> A few weeks ago I
ordered something in Austria
L74[03:29:10] <Mat2ch> was cheaper than
buying it in Germany. ;P
L75[03:29:46] <Mat2ch> I can buy stuff off
Flub2 and he can buy my stuff. No customs inbetween
L76[03:30:39] <Mat2ch> And that's the funny
part with Brexit. There's Northern Ireland and many people from
there work in Ireland. They drive over the border every day.
L77[03:31:21] <Mat2ch> With Brexit they
need customs at the border...
L78[03:31:55] <Mat2ch> TheKosmonaut: you
seem confused?
L79[03:32:16] <TheKosmonaut> Austrians,
making Germany look bad since
L80[03:32:27] <TheKosmonaut> No I was
trying to find the first Austrian emperor of the HRE
L81[03:32:31] <TheKosmonaut> But got lost
in wiki
L82[03:33:09] <Mat2ch> HRE?
L83[03:34:00] <Mat2ch> Well, there are many
things that are more expensive in Austria, so they drive over the
border to Germany oder Czech Republic ;)
L84[03:34:42] <TheKosmonaut> Holy Roman
Empire
L86[03:37:55] <Mat2ch> oh, don't get me
started. I tried Crusader Kings 2 yesterday. Not my game. Also I
hate kings and queens and all the aristocratic stuff
L87[03:38:11] <TheKosmonaut>
Eu4>CKII
L89[03:38:36] <TheKosmonaut> Behold! The
mighty Iroquois
L90[03:38:56] <Mat2ch> Can you rule the
whole world in EU4? Otherwise it's boring ;)
L91[03:40:13] <Mat2ch> CK2 as annoying. You
have your small land there and that's it and you try to manage it
somehow and then you die and play as your child and suddenly all
the old pacts are gone...
L92[03:40:34] <Mat2ch> The only way to do
politics was by marriage
L93[03:40:47] <Mat2ch> and that's lame
somehow.
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L95[03:46:12] <Rokker> Mat2ch: I grew
myself up from a tiny single irish duchy into the king of ireland
and gwynedd (wales) in 3 generations. then my character died and
due to irreconcilable succession law my lands were split up between
my two children, meaning I lost wales
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L99[04:30:12] <Mat2ch> Rokker: yeah, that
was annoying, too. With every new character you play to have to
check the sucession rules
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L118[07:12:09] <Eddi|zuHause> i tried
getting into CK2, but i don't think i really understood how to play
it
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L125[07:46:06] <Olympic1> Eddi|zuHause:
Paradox makes good games, but they love to make complicated
interfaces
L126[07:57:17] <Zarthus> and even more
complicated DLC schemes
L127[07:57:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i know that,
i spent hundreds and thousands of hours trying to figure out EU4
halfway decently
L128[07:57:31] <Eddi|zuHause> but CK2 just
didn't click the same way
L129[07:57:41] <Zarthus> I play EU4
decently as well
L130[07:57:50] <Zarthus> CK2 is like a
whole nother level
L131[07:58:33] <Wastl4> The Leon
"learning scenario" does explain the basics, but it's
probably not a good setting to keep playing after the tutorial
events are finished.
L132[08:00:48] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i
stopped that right after the tutorial. i think i tried 3 serous
games, once as a HRE minor, one as some ethiopian remote thing, and
one as an eastern tribe
L133[08:01:04] <Wastl4> The various
emirates can easily defend each other if you declare war with a
religious cb, while Christian allies are scarce.
L134[08:01:26] <Wastl4> Why not go with an
Ireland (aka "newbie island") game?
L135[08:02:39] <Eddi|zuHause> the HRE game
was annoying, because the emperor kept taking away my lands, and i
didn't know enough politics to stop that
L136[08:03:15] <Eddi|zuHause> the
ethiopian game went nowhere because i got a split in the church
that made everyone rebel
L137[08:03:48] <Eddi|zuHause> and the
eastern game, i got repeatedly overrun by others, and ended up
joining the next biggest empire
L138[08:04:54] <Eddi|zuHause> somehow
everyone besides me manages offensive alliances, and i can't even
get a defensive pact
L139[08:11:11] <Wastl4> That's why Ireland
is a nice starting area. Multiple small independant petty kings and
chiefs; the Scots and English are managable and have problems of
their own.
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L149[10:01:25] <Althego> magic gate?
L150[10:08:52] <Mat2ch> To
wonderland
L151[10:09:01] <Flub2> look closer
L152[10:11:05] <Mat2ch> that's no
mirror
L153[10:11:14] <Althego> it cant be,
because the road is not visible
L154[10:11:19] <Mat2ch> yep
L155[10:16:26] <Flub2> I have a hard
aerodynamics question for you
L156[10:17:01] <Althego> air is soft
:)
L157[10:17:09] <Althego> it is so soft it
is gaseous :)
L158[10:17:17] <Flub2> I have a 10"
triblade prop, there is a 70mm spinner on top of that so I about
2cm of each blade is hideen behind the spinner
L159[10:17:45] <Flub2> how much potential
thrust do I lose and how large would I need to make the prop to
have the same result as a 10" prop without spinner
L160[10:17:57] <Althego> make
measurements, easier
L161[10:19:17] <Flub2> yeah but I guess
the speed at the tip of the prop will mean for a same rpm, another
centimeter of propeller will produce much more torque
L162[10:22:26] <Flub2> for example, if i
take a propeller of a certain size and offset the blades from the
center they will have the same area but at the same rpm they will
be moving faster
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L166[11:14:13] <Althego> lol
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L173[11:41:01] <Rokker> Olympic1: well the
big problem isnt just the complicated interfaces, it's the bad
tutorials
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L183[12:38:26] <Eddi|zuHause> is that guy
pumping air into the tyre, by hand?
L184[12:39:52] <Althego> probably
joke
L185[12:40:03] <Althego> i mean even the
original picture
L186[12:40:28] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i hope
so :p
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L240[18:43:10] <oren> what is the maximum
speed at which a kerbal can hang onto a ladder
L241[18:44:26] <oren> er, while inside
kerbin's atmoshpere I mean
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L255[20:27:49] <UmbralRaptop> Depends on
altitude?
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L258[21:26:37] <oren> UmbralRaptop: My
experiments show that at 5000 m alt, the limit is about 200
m/s
L259[21:26:50] <taniwha> over 60km: >
1500m/s, below 10km, < 200m/s
L260[21:27:29] <taniwha> (values
inexact)
L261[21:28:04] <taniwha> F=A*Cd*Q,
Q=1/2*density*v^2
L262[21:28:35] <oren> Hmm I need a better
experimental setup
L263[21:28:39] <taniwha> or,
k*rho*v^2
L264[21:28:59] <taniwha> (I suspect the
kerbal is treated as a sphere)
L265[21:29:36] <taniwha> rho = air
density
L266[21:29:58] <taniwha> thus, v =
sqrt(rho*k)
L267[21:30:25] <taniwha> (will be a
different k, since the first was just for force, second involves
hold strength)
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L269[21:30:39] <oren> AT sea level, bill
fell off the ladder at 97 m/s
L270[21:32:45] <oren> of course the setup
here is with the ladder at 90 degrees to the flight direction
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L283[23:56:04] <Bllaank> Assume the kerbal
is spherical.
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L285[23:59:31] <UmbralRaptop> Do kerbals
moo?