OCLogs: 2018-07-11.log

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L48[07:10:01] <GlassYuri> ...I cannot connect my smartphone via USB anymore

L49[07:10:37] <GlassYuri> the smartphone itself says that it is connected as an MTP media device, but PC's don't recognize it

L50[07:10:55] <GlassYuri> I involuntarily tested it with three PCs and two cables so far

L51[07:14:16] <Deddly> Restarted the phone?

L52[07:14:29] <GlassYuri> ...I think so, let me try again

L53[07:16:21] <GlassYuri> Deddly, well thanks for embarassing me in front of the entire channel

L54[07:16:52] <Deddly> Mwahahaha

L55[07:17:03] <GlassYuri> ...my C: drive has 32 GB left

L56[07:17:15] <Deddly> Actually, that's an embarrassment to software engineers.

L57[07:17:40] <Deddly> It's shocking how things STILL need to be restarted to fix problems, even things that are based on Linux

L58[07:18:21] <GlassYuri> I'm not a software engineer, I'm a game developer, the difference being that the standards are even lower

L59[07:20:40] <GlassYuri> ...at least timing-wise it's even possible that it broke when I restarted it the last time

L60[07:22:52] <GlassYuri> actually I exhausted the battery last evening, and from today morning it didn't work

L61[07:23:03] <GlassYuri> maybe I should replace the battery

L62[07:23:36] <GlassYuri> also the cheap double side tape I used to put on the new screen is coming off, which could endanger the ribbon cables

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L64[07:24:33] <Mat2ch> Deddly: well, if the service hangs you just have to restart that service. But vendors don't give an easy interface to do this, so rebooting is just more convenient

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L66[07:26:23] <GlassYuri> except that rebooting turns off the chinese keyboard app somehow

L67[07:26:46] <GlassYuri> although I still don't know nearly enough chinese for that to be a real problem

L68[07:28:14] <Mat2ch> also lets not talk about android. It's based on Linux, but usually very old kernels, highly patched and not maintained anymore and nobody cares about getting those patches into the real linux kernel

L69[07:28:33] <Mat2ch> it's a mess that should get burnt to the ground

L70[07:29:49] <Deddly> It also gets slow and clunky after a year or so.

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L72[07:33:17] <Mat2ch> that's because of all those services from the apps you install

L73[07:33:29] <Mat2ch> they run in the background and take what they can get

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L77[07:37:04] <Judge_Dedd> Mat2ch, but I experience the same thing even when not installing new apps.

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L81[07:37:52] <GlassYuri> Judge_Dedd, because what you have on there by default gets updated over time with less and less attention paid to performance

L82[07:38:16] <Judge_Dedd> GlassYuri, auto-updates are switched off

L83[07:38:48] <Judge_Dedd> Also, every time Windows10 updates, the settings are all reset and something always breaks, which bugs me

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L85[07:38:50] <Judge_Dedd> a lot

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L87[07:39:44] <Deddly> Case in point: close laptop lid suspends the system. But I REPEATEDLY tell it that close the lid should suspend after 15 minutes. Which works until the next update.

L88[07:40:23] <GlassYuri> Deddly, we were kinda talking about android, but nice to have another piece of anecdotal evidence about win10 being the worst OS in existence

L89[07:40:45] <Deddly> Yes, I jumped from one OS to the other.

L90[07:41:02] <Deddly> Honestly, the only OS I ever actually likes was Workbench 3.1

L91[07:41:06] <Deddly> liked*

L92[07:41:44] <Deddly> I'd run AROS in a heartbeat if it was compatible with things I need to run

L93[07:45:52] <Mat2ch> well, I'm a linux user for almost 20 years now and my phone is running neither android nor iOS. I'm happy. ;)

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L95[07:47:01] <Deddly> Mat2ch, which distro?

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L97[07:48:40] <Althego> Éb4

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L99[07:51:06] <Deddly> Ooh! Mint 19 is out

L100[07:52:03] <Deddly> I unfortunately lack the disk space for a dual-boot system

L101[07:52:08] <Deddly> Might have to fix that

L102[07:55:03] <Mat2ch> Deddly: Debian and SailfishOs

L103[07:55:28] <Deddly> Hmm. SailfishOS is new to me

L104[07:56:06] <Deddly> For tablets, eh?

L105[07:56:12] <Mat2ch> and Smartphones

L106[07:56:53] <Deddly> Anything that uses Aurora Borealis as an attractive image at the top of the first page gets my vote.

L107[07:57:51] <Mat2ch> it's a finnish company

L108[07:58:04] <Mat2ch> I guess they have enough days in the year they can watch. :D

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L110[07:58:45] <Deddly> Mat2ch, can it run Android apps?

L111[07:59:26] <Mat2ch> through alien dalvik, which is a proprietory thing from Jolla, yes

L112[07:59:41] <Mat2ch> but you need to have a device that's directly supported by Jolla.

L113[08:00:17] <Mat2ch> There are community ports for other devices, but you can't get alien dalvik for it

L114[08:00:33] <Mat2ch> http://www.myriadgroup.com/en/products/device-solutions/mobile-software/alien-dalvik/

L115[08:01:02] <Deddly> hmmm

L116[08:01:40] <Mat2ch> so, if you've got a Sony Xperia X you're fine.

L117[08:02:03] <Deddly> I get the feeling I'm unlikely to find a device to suit me that they support.

L118[08:02:11] <Deddly> It's already hard enough with Android

L119[08:02:31] <Mat2ch> well, I hate to admit it, but it's not for everyone

L120[08:03:03] <Mat2ch> I have a device now where I have fully root access and which acts just like a normal computer to me

L121[08:04:16] <Deddly> If I ever look for a phone it must be rugged and completely waterproof (not just a resistant coating). Just that requirement severely limits my choices

L122[08:05:50] <Mat2ch> what about aftermarket cases?

L123[08:06:34] <Deddly> Meh... I think a smartphone+case would be clunkier than the same phone designed to be rugged from the outset

L124[08:06:53] <Deddly> Could be wrong, but that's what my instinct tells me

L125[08:08:42] <Mat2ch> I can't tell.

L126[08:09:05] <Mat2ch> A waterproof case doesn't have to be huge

L127[08:09:14] <Mat2ch> it's just a shell around it

L128[08:09:34] <Mat2ch> have you seen the caterpillar phones?

L129[08:11:18] <Mat2ch> http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/06/13/is-the-sony-xperia-x-secretly-water-resistant/ uhm

L130[08:11:27] <Mat2ch> I wouldn't trust that, but, uhm, what

L131[08:11:41] <Deddly> Mat2ch, I own the Cat S60. I love it :)

L132[08:12:43] <Mat2ch> oh, the xperiaX performance is waterproof. I wonder if SailfishX would run on it

L133[08:13:07] <Deddly> As it happens, I'm not actually looking for a new phone.

L134[08:13:17] <Deddly> But when I do, I know it will be difficult to find one

L135[08:13:35] <Deddly> The S60 will hopefully last me a few years yet

L136[08:13:44] <Deddly> I had the old B15 for 4 years

L137[08:14:02] <Mat2ch> If it just have to be waterproof, it looks like more and more companies are making them

L138[08:14:10] <Deddly> Still works fine, but so little RAM means it can't run anything these days

L139[08:14:33] <Mat2ch> *has to be

L140[08:17:06] <Mat2ch> well, I just need a browser, a mail client and calendar and contacts sync on my phone...

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L142[08:17:36] <Mat2ch> so, very little ram needed. Except for the browser. Modern websites are so cluttered :|

L143[08:17:42] <Deddly> True

L144[08:18:07] <Deddly> Plus Viber and WhatApp and the B15 is already giving low RAM warnings

L145[08:18:46] <Mat2ch> well, that's funny, I just saw the Viber app in the app store

L146[08:18:51] <Mat2ch> but what's B15?

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L151[08:43:22] <Deddly> Mat2ch, https://www.gsmarena.com/cat_b15-5985.php

L152[08:45:43] <Deddly> LOL, on the forum, someone just suggested calling the Kerbal currency "Billcoins"

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L155[08:49:55] <Mat2ch> Ah, I thought B15 was an app...

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L157[08:50:21] <Mat2ch> "Drop-to-concrete resistance from up to 1.8m" that's impressive

L158[08:50:32] <Deddly> Same as my S60

L159[08:50:47] <Deddly> But the B15 took the drop better because rubber

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L163[09:22:22] <GlassYuri> so, I tried livestreaming right now

L164[09:22:45] <GlassYuri> next I will try shooting my PC, router and smartphone with a howitzer at point blank range

L165[09:25:15] <GlassYuri> did you know that crime syndicates and terrorist groups use unresponsive UI and slow connections to deliberately suppress the moral instincts of their henchmen

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L167[09:27:56] <Deddly> GlassYuri, have you tried restarting the PC, router, smartphone and howitzer? ;)

L168[09:29:58] <GlassYuri> the PC was working, and there seemed to be no issue with upstream

L169[09:31:01] <Deddly> Restarting fixes ALL PROBLEMS

L170[09:31:44] <GlassYuri> smartphone didn't work after restarting twice, it even stopped recognizing the sim card

L171[09:32:18] <GlassYuri> when I got it working finally the connection was just too slow and the website too heavy

L172[09:33:07] <GlassYuri> plus the browser was hanging to the point that I could enter an URL and it would just drop it and do nothing

L173[09:33:43] <GlassYuri> at that point I legit punched the phone in the face, which I somehow managed to do without breaking my own hand so that was nice

L174[09:35:19] <GlassYuri> at least twitcasting lets me download the videos now, which means I can at least find out how bad the audio is

L175[09:36:31] *** Google_Posture is now known as Zarthus

L176[09:38:11] <GlassYuri> I can hear a lot of humming noise but not myself

L177[09:39:02] <Deddly> Oh noes, Zarthus was hiding in here all along

L178[09:39:15] <Deddly> Quick, erase everything you said about him.

L179[09:39:59] <Althego> doesnt work like that :)

L180[09:40:10] <Deddly> CURSE YOU IRC!

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L182[09:41:32] <Zarthus> i don't care that much about what you say at all :)

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L184[09:41:42] <Zarthus> i know it's either a compliment or you're wrong

L185[09:42:12] <Zarthus> though i do take constructive feedback coupled with a monetary contribution

L186[09:42:18] <Deddly> https://guggy.com/media/jP4asfkGbS866Xf.gif

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L224[11:57:04] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: https://imgur.com/gallery/82MGfB7

L225[11:57:43] <Fluburtur> I kinda want to build one fo those

L226[12:01:14] <Althego> hehe

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L229[12:10:50] <Mat2ch> I thought so :D

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L231[12:15:34] <Mat2ch> also it's Wednesday and he keeps us waiting :D

L232[12:26:37] <UmbralRaptor> https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2018/nasa-s-tess-spacecraft-continues-testing-prior-to-first-observations

L233[12:45:10] <Althego> there was no update on monday either

L234[12:49:58] <Althego> go tess go

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L266[17:11:14] <darsie> Can someone tell me the prefix of FAR_0_15_9_1_Liepmann.zip RealChute_v1.4.5.zip in CKAN/downloads? Maybe ckan will accept them.

L267[17:12:01] <darsie> Such as FF1A6D76 in FF1A6D76-VenStockRevamp-v1.9.6.zip

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L269[17:17:05] <steamport> #kspmodding

L270[17:17:07] <steamport> woops

L271[17:18:59] <darsie> That might help, thx :).

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L285[19:35:52] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/b6c52584f65d785510ab8fc2b9222123.png - my mock TRS-80 AV start screen is looking pretty nice.

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