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L1[00:01:39] <TheKosmonaut> These people
joining behave like discord types and I would really prefer not
having to ban multiple people
L2[00:01:49] <Althego> hehe
L3[00:01:56] <Althego> what are the discord
types?
L4[00:02:02] <TheKosmonaut> Theyre about as
funny as their names are creative
L5[00:02:09] <TheKosmonaut> Althego: oh you
missed it
L6[00:02:14] <TheKosmonaut> !logs
L7[00:02:25] <Althego> not logs :)
L8[00:02:35] <TheKosmonaut> Uhh.. Whatever
Mod9000's command for that is
L9[00:03:06] <TheKosmonaut> Mod9000: logs
please?
L10[00:03:58] <Althego> papers,
please
L11[00:04:44] <TheKosmonaut> Glory to
Artstotzka
L12[00:05:07] <TheKosmonaut> One of the few
games that made me cry haha
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L14[00:05:21] <TheKosmonaut> I believe I
got the good ending so it was quite nice
L15[00:05:49] <Althego> i think there are
several
L16[00:05:59] <Althego> make revolution,
escape, etc
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L20[00:25:03] <TheKosmonaut> I did the
escape with family one
L21[00:25:23] <TheKosmonaut> I dont know if
you can do revolution without everyone dying?
L22[00:25:41] <Althego> i didnt finish it.
required too much concentration
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L25[01:21:51] <Althego> hah, systematic
classification of life ep31. and aron is dressed as worf lol
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L31[02:01:43] <Althego> waling phone?
L32[02:01:48] <Althego> walking
L33[02:02:11] <Althego> the crane below it
is more interesting
L34[02:02:22] <Althego> too bad it doesnt
walk on its legs just uses them to stabilize
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L45[02:33:08] <kmath> YouTube - CRS-15
Gorgeous Sunrise Launch!
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L60[04:01:19] <Althego> i didnt think there
was much aerodynamics in a lawnmower
L61[04:01:37] <Fluburtur> just needs to
suck the grass up
L63[04:01:46] <kmath> YouTube - The Missile
Knows Where it is (Remix)
L65[04:01:58] <kmath> YouTube - How Lawn
Mower Blades Cut Grass (at 50,000 FRAMES PER SECOND) - Smarter
Every Day 196
L66[04:01:59] <Fluburtur> I can't get over
that "the missile knows where it is" stuff btw
L67[04:02:05] <Fluburtur> yeah I've seen
that
L68[04:02:19] <Fluburtur> I was like
"yeah first thing I learned in mechanics school"
L69[04:02:25] <Althego> hehe
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L71[04:03:09] <Fluburtur> that's the
difference between peoples that do the theory and peoples that do
the practice
L72[04:03:22] <Fluburtur> we may not
understand but it works
L73[04:03:44] <Althego> man that missile
thing, we were over that a few years ago. i still worked in my
previous job
L74[04:03:51] <Althego> i just bought it up
again this week
L75[04:04:07] <Fluburtur> it's the greatest
thing ever
L76[04:04:22] <Fluburtur> the best comment
is "worst description of a PID loop ever"
L77[04:04:34] <Althego> it is far more than
that
L78[04:04:56] <Althego> it is about
inertial guidence, maybe also kalman filter
L79[04:05:21] <Fluburtur> no it's about
knowing where you are and where you want to bez
L80[04:05:33] <Althego> and where you
were
L81[04:05:41] <Fluburtur> and where you
aren't
L82[04:05:55] <Althego> it is distinctly
something discrete in this
L83[04:06:10] <APlayer> Oh, I see there was
fun in the channel tonight, and I missed it :/
L84[04:06:33] <Althego> the not fun and
unimaginative discord people?
L86[04:06:36] <kmath> YouTube - ☠ MOMENTS
2017
L87[04:06:41] <Althego> and i havent met
them
L88[04:08:14] <Althego> and there is some
probabilistic in this. tries to correct for measurement
problems
L89[04:08:34] <Althego> a pid loop wouldnt
do that. at least a state observer or something
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L91[04:11:32] <APlayer> As a person who
recently made a drone, I can confirm that a guidance algorithm is
30% integrators, 30% sensor fusion, 30% PID loops and 10% of the
random stuff that a program is made of and noone understand
whatever it is and how it works
L92[04:11:47] <Althego> hehe
L93[04:12:04] <Althego> ultimatley nobody
understand anything now. because they are too complex and made by
many people
L95[04:16:09] <Fluburtur> instand bouncy
castle
L96[04:17:13] <Fluburtur> Rokker im halfway
done researching the vautour
L97[04:17:20] <Fluburtur> speedyboy will be
mine this week
L98[04:20:16] <Fluburtur> where is my cheat
menu
L99[04:20:19] <Fluburtur> ksp where it
is
L100[04:20:28] <Althego> where it
was
L101[04:20:31] <Althego> in alt-f12
L102[04:20:34] <Fluburtur> no it
isn't
L103[04:20:41] <Althego> then there is a
list on the left
L104[04:20:50] <Althego> and in the middle
of that there is cheat
L105[04:21:03] <Althego> and that opens
down to several sub things
L106[04:21:07] <Althego> like orbit
setting
L107[04:23:07] <Fluburtur> but i want in
hangar
L108[04:23:15] <Fluburtur> I just want to
turn on parts clipping it's all I need
L109[04:23:16] <Althego> it works there
too
L110[04:23:39] <Althego> i never
understood what the purpose of that was
L111[04:23:45] <Althego> you can already
clip parts without it
L112[04:23:52] <Fluburtur> makes it
easier
L113[04:24:05] <Fluburtur> so you can snap
parts in nodes that have stuff on them already
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L116[04:38:16] <kmath> YouTube - Crow
riding windshield wipers
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L118[04:52:10] <APlayer> Now I want an
instant bouncy castle too
L119[04:52:46] <Althego> elon is making
one big, or so i have heard :)
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L121[05:10:03] <GlassYuri> Althego, late
reply but I think the crab crane can walk, somewhat
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L125[05:28:09] <GlassFragments> Althego,
hmm, appears they can't actually walk
L126[05:28:47] <Althego> waling
construction machines, that is what we need for a better
world
L128[05:32:40] <kmath> YouTube - Euromach
Spider Excavator
L129[05:34:09] <ConductorCat> :3
L131[05:34:40] <Fluburtur> I can
potentially get the vautour today if I play really hard
L132[05:35:23] <Althego> dtill not enough
for rl patlabor
L133[05:36:17] <Fluburtur> idk what you
tried to say but yeah
L134[05:36:31] <Althego> only the first
char is a typo
L136[05:37:56] <kmath> YouTube - Patlabor
OVA Opening (English, HD)
L137[05:38:07] <Althego> walking
construction machine
L138[05:39:32] <Althego> apparently what i
remember was the ova intro, but i didnt find that in english
L139[05:41:05] <Althego> no, i meant the
tv intro
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L143[06:00:06] <kmath> <yukinami_jp>
今日の熊本城。復旧作業は着実に進んでいるようです。まるで『ニンジャバットマン』や『未来忍者』にでも登場しそうな姿の熊本城が見られるのは今だけ。熊本においでなはりまっせ！
https://t.co/LmR0wXZ98Z
L144[06:00:25] <GlassFragments> kinda
looks like they were able to save the top but demolished most of
what was below
L145[06:01:03] <GlassFragments> also the
concrete and yellow steels looks like came from a previous
reconstruction effort
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L147[06:01:51] <Althego> somehow reminds
me of samurai pizza cats :)
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L158[06:58:31] <thelounge5> Hi
L159[06:58:33] <Mod9000> Hello,
thelounge5
L160[06:58:38] <Althego> h i
L161[06:58:54] <Althego> hah, managed to
avoid the automatic response from the bot
L162[06:59:02] ***
thelounge5 is now known as Spacy_Cheese
L163[06:59:28] <Spacy_Cheese> Wow it
automaticly changes my nickname lol.
L164[06:59:31] <Mod9000> Hello,
Althego
L165[06:59:36] <Althego> dont do
that
L166[06:59:50] <Spacy_Cheese> Okay
L167[06:59:55] <Althego> not you
L168[07:00:03] <Althego> the one
controlling the bot
L169[07:00:05] <Spacy_Cheese> Oh ok
L170[07:00:19] <Spacy_Cheese> Hi
L171[07:00:20] <Spacy_Cheese> HI
L172[07:00:24] <Mod9000> Hello,
Spacy_Cheese
L173[07:00:24] <Spacy_Cheese> :/
L174[07:00:25] <Mod9000> Hello,
Spacy_Cheese
L175[07:00:30] <APlayer> Hello,
Althego
L176[07:00:31] <Spacy_Cheese> ;D
L177[07:00:36] <Deddly> Hello,
Althego
L178[07:00:38] <APlayer> Hello,
Spacy_Cheese
L179[07:00:40] <Althego> hello, lain
L180[07:00:45] <APlayer> Hello,
Deddly
L181[07:01:04] <Spacy_Cheese> :|
L182[07:01:30] <Althego> hmm, somehow i
feel like i want to play oni
L183[07:01:38] <Althego> i wonder if it
still works
L184[07:01:49] <Spacy_Cheese> Mhm
L185[07:02:11] <Spacy_Cheese>
Althego
L186[07:04:00] <Spacy_Cheese> ok.
L187[07:05:01] <Spacy_Cheese> Spacy_Cheese
committed suicide
L188[07:05:10] <Althego> not
recommended
L189[07:05:27] <Mod9000> Goodbye,
Space:cheese
L190[07:05:50] <Spacy_Cheese> Goodbye,
fake bot
L191[07:05:57] <Althego> it is a real
bot
L192[07:05:58] <Mod9000> :P
L193[07:06:11] <Spacy_Cheese> Okay
Okay
L194[07:06:13] <Althego> but you can talk
over it
L195[07:06:18] <Althego> if you are the
owner
L196[07:06:45] <Spacy_Cheese> K
L197[07:06:58] <Spacy_Cheese> Do you have
discord?
L198[07:08:13] <Spacy_Cheese> Don't Leave
MEEEEEHH
L199[07:08:26] <Althego> you are not
alone
L200[07:08:35] <Spacy_Cheese> Fuck
L201[07:08:42] <Deddly> Er
L202[07:08:52] <Deddly> Spacy_Cheese,
please mind the langueage
L203[07:09:01] <Deddly> language*
L204[07:09:12] <Spacy_Cheese> Sorry, it
was a test for hashtags
L205[07:10:45] <Spacy_Cheese> Yay, Im
finally alone!
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L207[07:11:07] <Spacy_Cheese> NOW IM
REALLY ALONE
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L209[07:11:25] <Spacy_Cheese> Nvm
L210[07:11:42] <Spacy_Cheese> YAY!!!
L211[07:12:33] <Spacy_Cheese> WEEEE
L212[07:12:40] <Spacy_Cheese> BOOOOO
L213[07:12:57] <petti> Spacy_Cheese: take
your meds and chill
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L215[07:13:15] <Spacy_Cheese> Okay
L216[07:14:02] <Spacy_Cheese>
wssrewqawertghyujkl,km
L217[07:14:11] <Spacy_Cheese> Oops
L218[07:14:22] <Spacy_Cheese> I fault this
was KSP\
L219[07:14:39] <petti> I think this joker
needs a kick in the butt
L220[07:14:55] <Spacy_Cheese> :-
L221[07:15:00] <Althego> consult deddly,
aplayer
L222[07:15:03] <APlayer> Spacy_Cheese:
Sorry, do you need help with things?
L223[07:15:13] <Spacy_Cheese> Yes
L224[07:15:21] <APlayer> What is it?
L225[07:15:43] <Spacy_Cheese> I don't know
how to orbit in KSP
L226[07:15:55] <Spacy_Cheese> :/
L227[07:15:59] <Althego> ttry to hit the
planet but miss :)
L228[07:16:12] <APlayer> Have you tried a
memory wipe and rewriting the information to your brain?
L229[07:16:15] <APlayer> No, j/k :P
L230[07:16:29] <Spacy_Cheese> Try to drop
a giant nuke at duna
L231[07:16:31] <APlayer> So, what do you
try to get to orbit?
L232[07:16:44] <Spacy_Cheese> Idk
L233[07:17:05] <Spacy_Cheese> I didnt even
buildt a rocket
L234[07:17:08] <Althego> there is a ksp
discord. but there is too much activity going on to follow if you
are doing something else, so i am not on it
L236[07:17:23] <Spacy_Cheese> Thanks
L237[07:17:37] <JCB> ....
L238[07:17:57] <JCB> weekends... gotta
love em.. gotta hate em... :\
L239[07:17:59] <APlayer> Spacy_Cheese:
When you're done, highlight me and we shall have a lesson on how to
build rockets
L240[07:18:19] <Spacy_Cheese> K
L241[07:20:57] <JCB> lol... yay go
xkcd..
L242[07:21:46] <JCB> ... now I wanna
launch a telephone pole... ;P
L243[07:22:28] <petti> soundimg rockets
are pretty much that
L244[07:22:45] <Spacy_Cheese> Im
done
L245[07:22:46] <petti> a telephone skin
would be a nice touch of course :)
L246[07:23:00] <Althego> so how much is a
launch for a sounding rocket that goes up to say 200 km
L247[07:23:43] <Spacy_Cheese> Idk
L248[07:24:12] <Spacy_Cheese> I have a
memory of an goldfish
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L250[07:24:58] <petti> I would think
testing goldfish memory capacity is rather difficult
L251[07:25:14] <Spacy_Cheese> Mhm
L252[07:25:20] <Althego> probably
not
L253[07:25:26] <Althego> whole lot of
ecology done with fish
L254[07:25:31] <Althego> er etology
L255[07:25:52] <Althego> whatever
L256[07:25:52] <KrazyKrl> I dunno... like
2300m/sec of dV to go suborbital to 200km.
L258[07:27:18] <petti> I remember reading
of a study which debunked that earlier study which claimed that
goldfish memroy is only 3 minutes or whatever it was
L259[07:27:19] <KrazyKrl> But as something
to do with aerospace... it'll easily be $20,000 or more.
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L261[07:27:41] <Althego> expensice
L262[07:29:25] <KrazyKrl> Well, the
materials that have enough density and durability to even into
space are kinda costly.
L263[07:30:03] <KrazyKrl> Along with the
extensive certification nessisary.
L264[07:30:40] <Althego> for launching a
kg of instruments into space?
L265[07:32:19] <JCB> kind of depends on
what you wanna do...
L266[07:32:35] <KrazyKrl> Either get
expensive alloys and designs for an engine... or get a bunch of
explosives. Your choice.
L267[07:32:50] <Althego> solid rocket,
spin stabilized
L268[07:32:59] <Althego> not much needed,
it is basically a tube full of explosives
L269[07:33:11] <KrazyKrl> And something
that can be classified as a missile... good luck.
L270[07:33:24] <Althego> ah that
L271[07:33:26] <JCB> Japan has done
it
L272[07:33:40] <JCB> 3 stager got a cube
sat into orbit
L273[07:34:43] <KrazyKrl> Well yea... the
rocket equasion and all that are much easier for tiny
payloads.
L274[07:34:53] <JCB> Althego slow burning
explosives.. last thing you want is to have it all go off at once.
:\
L275[07:35:10] <KrazyKrl> But the
practicallity of some random person going "i want to build
something that is 1 IED short of a ballistic missile"
L276[07:35:16] <Althego> actually in
payload mass fuel is linear. in delta it is exponential
L277[07:35:25] <Althego> delta-v
L278[07:36:00] <JCB> lol... launching
rockets with stick of tnt... ya....
L279[07:36:01] <KrazyKrl> yes, but the dry
mass of the craft for that payload mass rises much faster due to
the need for the rocket to survive.
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L291[08:30:52] <Spacy_Cheese> Back
L292[08:31:36] <Spacy_Cheese>
Hello..?
L293[08:32:48] <Spacy_Cheese>
Someone?
L294[08:33:05] <Spacy_Cheese> :/
L295[08:35:12] <Spacy_Cheese>
;--------;
L296[08:35:23] <Althego> what
L297[08:35:35] <Spacy_Cheese> Oh
nothing
L298[08:35:49] <Spacy_Cheese> I just wanna
talk with somwbody
L299[08:36:04] <Spacy_Cheese>
Somebody*
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L331[11:44:14] <Althego> probably not
directly, because horizontal ditance is not modeled
L332[11:47:05] <UmbralRaptor> Hard to say.
Something something energy something momentum.
L333[11:47:40] <Eddi|zuHause> my simple
understanding of orbital physics is that distance doesn't actually
matter much?
L334[11:48:30] <Eddi|zuHause> because most
of the time you don't spend energy, the distance travelled during
that time should be irrelevant?
L335[11:49:04] <APlayer> Distance should
be irrelevant in a perfect hohmann transfer, I guess? This map does
not account for inclination, though
L336[11:49:38] <APlayer> No, distance
between orbits should be irrelevant, but orbital speed of the
target planets would definitely matter
L337[11:50:36] <Eddi|zuHause> but the
orbital speed is already included in that planet's energy
level?
L338[11:52:44] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, if
you follow the line from venus to earth, you got venus' well, then
it flattens out, which i guess roughly equates to "SoI
Edge", then there's a huge climb, and then it flattens out for
earth's "SoI edge"
L339[11:53:28] <APlayer> The flat/steep
parts are a result of scaling the image, I believe
L340[11:54:11] <APlayer> Ideally it would
follow a 1/r^2 curve, I think
L341[11:54:49] <Eddi|zuHause> well, if you
ignore the planets, and only connect the highest tips of the
curve?
L342[11:55:36] <APlayer> That would mean
the interplanetary distances are to scale, which they are not
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L344[12:01:41] <darsie> "You could
escape Deimos with a bike and a ramp." Escape velocity is
independent of direction, so no ramp needed, unless you need it for
friction during acceleration.
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L346[12:02:51] <Fluburtur> yeah if you try
to get off the ground before you have reached escape velocity but
enough velocity to lift a bit you will fall back eventualy
L347[12:02:53] <Eddi|zuHause> well, the
ramp might help if you want to go a specific direction :p
L348[12:04:17] <Eddi|zuHause> i think
friction will be a problem between orbital velocity and escape
velocity
L349[12:04:41] <darsie> A slanted circular
track would work, but that's a ramp, kind of.
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L351[12:05:10] <Eddi|zuHause> well, the
surface is considered flat :p
L352[12:05:14] <darsie> Or some mechanical
or thruster based push down.
L353[12:05:36] <Fluburtur> or a good kick
in the butt
L354[12:05:38] <Eddi|zuHause> but where to
you get thrusters for your bike on deimos?
L355[12:05:48] <darsie> In the thruster
shop.
L356[12:06:06] <darsie> In the VAB
;).
L357[12:13:00] <darsie> "A thrown
baseball could escape Phobos." How much dv is needed when
using Mars' tidal force?
L358[12:13:59] <UmbralRaptor> uh
L359[12:14:41] <UmbralRaptor> I think this
ends up involving that L1 point that's something silly like 5 km
away from Phobos.
L360[12:16:23] <Draconiator> how much dV
does a thrown baseball have anyway?
L361[12:16:49] <Fluburtur> nothing because
it doesn't have stored energy it can use for thrusting itself
L362[12:16:59] <Fluburtur> unless it is
outgassing or something
L363[12:18:14] <Eddi|zuHause> the act of
throwing the baseball is the dV
L364[12:18:34] <Fluburtur> how much dv is
int he arm of the guy throwing then
L365[12:19:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure
there are loads of people that can recite which baseball player
reached what speed
L366[12:19:11] <UmbralRaptor> 50 m/s if
he's a pro?
L367[12:19:31] <Eddi|zuHause>
unfortunately those people will use weird units
L368[12:19:49] <Eddi|zuHause> ;wa speed of
a baseball
L369[12:19:51] <kmath> Eddi|zuHause: MLB
baseball->maximum speed: 54 m/s (meters per second)
L370[12:21:22] <darsie> 54 m/s is 194.4
km/h.
L371[12:21:50] <darsie> That's maybe a hit
baseball, not a thrown one.
L372[12:22:14] <Eddi|zuHause> ;wa throwing
speed of a baseball
L373[12:22:17] <kmath> Eddi|zuHause:
Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
L374[12:22:31] <Eddi|zuHause> ;wa speed of
a thrown baseball
L375[12:22:35] <kmath> Eddi|zuHause:
Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
L376[12:22:53] <Eddi|zuHause> ;wa baseball
pitching speed
L377[12:22:57] <kmath> Eddi|zuHause:
Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
L378[12:23:01] <Eddi|zuHause> i give
up
L379[12:23:02] *
UmbralRaptor hears 100 mph tossed around as a good fastball speed,
which isn't much under 50 m/s.
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L381[12:24:17] <darsie> IIRC I've moved my
hand at about 60 km/h in front of a car speed display.
L382[12:24:41] <Eddi|zuHause> that is a
good deal below 50m/s :p
L383[12:25:06] <darsie> I'm not a baseball
pro, though.
L384[12:25:15] <darsie> So I expect they'd
to better.
L385[12:26:47] <darsie> Why are we talking
about 50 m/s? Escape velocity 11.39 m/s (41 km/h)
L386[12:27:35] <darsie> I guess that's
without Mars' tidal force.
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L394[13:05:44] <Eddi|zuHause> how does
tidal force affect escape velocity?
L395[13:06:54] <APlayer> I guess escape
velocity is minimally affected by the gravity gradient created by
the "parent" body
L396[13:07:35] <darsie> Mars pulls harder
on objects nearby than farther away, so it pulls two such objects
apart, if their gravity or internal structure can't compensate
it.
L397[13:08:37] <darsie> It is significant
on Phobos or other bodies near the Roche limit.
L398[13:09:32] <darsie> At the Roche limit
you just need to walk to the near or far side of the satellite and
you'll float away.
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L401[13:10:21] <darsie> We could build a
tower on Phobos where the escape velocity is 0 m/s.
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L404[13:11:47] <darsie> A tower to the
L1/2 point.
L405[13:12:41] <darsie> At the Roche limit
(orbital distance) the L1/2 point are at the surface of the
satellite.
L406[13:12:55] <Althego> hehe
L407[13:15:43] <APlayer> Guys, scrub the
space elevator plans, we've found a better deal
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L409[13:18:30] *
darsie wonders what KSP would do with a tower extending beyond the
SOI. Ahh, it just regards some point of the tower and puts the
whole tower either in or out of the SOI.
L410[13:19:30] <APlayer> At one point
you'd just cross the SOI border by foot
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L412[13:21:03] <JCB> going to just plunk
something like a whole tower in game.. or build it?
L413[13:21:28] <darsie> Too many
parts.
L414[13:21:28] <JCB> building wise..
things get a little weird when you make it around 2km long
L415[13:21:49] <JCB> 32000km long single
part..
L416[13:22:45] <APlayer> For a tower you
could get away with 12 polys
L417[13:23:12] <Althego> triangle base,
you need only 5
L418[13:23:16] <darsie> But I could put a
space ship near the SOI and let a beam reach out of it, then let a
kerbal climb up outside the SOI and release.
L419[13:24:01] <APlayer> Althego: Alright,
10 polys. No less. You can't define polys other than triangles in
KSP, AFAIK
L420[13:24:18] <Althego> ah yes i forgot
about the sides
L421[13:24:38] <Althego> but still 3*2 +
2
L422[13:24:42] <Althego> that is only
8
L423[13:25:03] <APlayer> Woops, yes,
indeed. I counted a triangle base and 4 sides :P
L424[13:25:29] <APlayer> Or you make it a
giant pyramid with three sides and get 4 polys :P
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L441[14:25:27] <kmath> YouTube - STAR WARS
IMPRESSIONS! (Vader, Solo, Finn, Kylo Ren)
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L444[14:27:07] <Draconiator> Computer
Riddle - What gets smaller over time, but while also staying the
same size?
L445[14:28:32] <Draconiator> Computer
storage.
L446[14:28:50] <Althego> it is actually
smaller
L447[14:28:58] <Althego> i am using an m.2
in this one
L448[14:29:08] <Althego> and the previous
one was 2.5"
L449[14:29:28] <Althego> which is smaller
than the 3.5" standard, that was before it for years
L450[14:30:15] <Althego> but ram stayed
the same size
L451[14:30:17] <APlayer> Draconiator: The
number of errors when compiling new code
L452[14:30:31] <APlayer> It gets smaller
because you fix the errors, but it stays the same size anyway
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L455[14:31:11] <BenjaminK> o/
L456[14:31:22] <APlayer> \o/
L457[14:31:38] <BenjaminK> Hi
L458[14:31:41] <Mod9000> Hello,
BenjaminK
L459[14:31:50] <APlayer> Hello,
Mod9000
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L466[14:45:26] <pair> Hello, Humans.
L467[14:45:33] <pair> me, a fellow human,
too, greets you.
L468[14:49:30] <UmbralRaptor> Wait, we're
supposed to be human?
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L470[14:52:44] <pair> you can remain a
raptor
L471[14:53:02] <UmbralRaptor> rawr
L472[14:55:13] <Draconiator> Aplayer, I
was running on the faxct that like...480MB back in the day seemed
like a massive amount of space :P
L473[14:55:45] <Draconiator> and while
things with that amount of space stayed the same size, that amout
seems laughably small these days
L474[14:56:09] <APlayer> Hey, I first
learned programming on a TI-83+ Calculator which has a total of 32
kB of RAM (24 kB user accessible) and 150 kB of Flash memory
L475[14:56:17] <Draconiator> lol
L476[14:56:19] <pair> depending on what
you're doing 500 M can be quite sizable
L477[14:56:33] <pair> for instance, the
IDEA family of IDEs, Visual Studio Code, etc. are all <= 250
MB
L478[14:56:40] <pair> and then you have
Visual Studio 2017, which is 25 gigabytes.
L479[14:57:09] <APlayer> That's their
spying software. :P
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L488[15:54:05] <Eddi|zuHause> my father
had a laptop with a 20MB harddisk, that's one of the earliest i can
remember, our desktop then had 80MB
L489[15:54:34] <Eddi|zuHause> which we
later updated by a second 420MB disk
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L491[15:55:40] <Eddi|zuHause> and then CDs
came out, and people were like "650MB per disk? with that much
space you never need harddisks anymore"
L492[15:57:27] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Althego> but ram stayed the same size <-- RAM definitely
got physically bigger over time
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L515[17:02:04] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Venus is less like Earth's twin and more like
its ex-spouse that comes to the annual family reunion
uninvited.
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L519[17:05:22] <Scolar_Visari> So . . . Is
No Man's Sky still not that good?
L520[17:06:52] <pair> some people enjoy
it, but i doubt i will ever purchase it.
L521[17:07:00] <KrazyKrl> no mans sky
won't ever be good. the technology literally isn't there for
it.
L522[17:07:02] <pair> it'll forever be a
solid 6/10 for me
L523[17:07:45] <KrazyKrl> I'd rate
starcraft 2 as 6/10... no mans sky is nowhere near starcraft
2.
L524[17:07:58] <Scolar_Visari> KrazyKrl: I
only ask because 1. It's, "on sale" and 2. I looove
Subnautica.
L525[17:08:00] <pair> sc2 is a solid 9/10
for me ;)
L526[17:08:23] <pair> Scolar_Visari: you
can always refund it <= 2 hours
L527[17:08:37] <KrazyKrl> don't waste your
money on no mans sky... they already burned their potential
customers; they don't deserve any money.
L528[17:08:43] *
Scolar_Visari things +pair meant to say Supreme Commander
2.
L529[17:09:05] <pair> nope. definitely
starcraft.
L530[17:09:18] <Scolar_Visari> KrazyKrl:
I've also been delightfully surprised by Surviving Mars, which has
picqued my interest in the critically unacclaimed Aven
Colony.
L531[17:09:30] *
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2."
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L533[17:11:44] *
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a Medieval farming sim.
L534[17:12:34] <KrazyKrl> Sorry, due to
time accelleration; and the average lifespan of children of this
era... the game is only limited to one growing season
L535[17:13:55] <Scolar_Visari> KrazyKrl: I
could see some Harvest Moon relationship mechanics working with
this ala negotiating plow team rights, resolving property disputes,
talking the lord of the manor down from higher taxes, etc.
L536[17:14:16] <Scolar_Visari>
"Please m'lord, we won't have enough to feed our
children!"
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L544[17:26:16] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm . . .
Post Apocalypse Harvest Moon?
L545[17:26:33] <KrazyKrl> so... harvest
moon.
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L548[17:27:45] <Scolar_Visari> My Time at
Portia
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L550[17:29:01] <KrazyKrl> How is the new
season of Arrested Development?
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L552[17:29:08] <Scolar_Visari> Like Spec
Ops: The Line, but with farming instead of PTSD.
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L560[17:46:24] <Eddi|zuHause>
<KrazyKrl> Sorry, due to time accelleration; and the average
lifespan of children of this era... the game is only limited to one
growing season <-- most of the "low average lifespan"
in the medieval era is due to children dying before age 5. if you
managed to reach maturity, you're also back then quite likely to
hit 60 or so
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L562[17:47:22] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: The
trick is not to get attached to the newborns.
L563[17:47:46] <Eddi|zuHause> that is a
bit tricky for most people :p
L564[17:49:08] *
Scolar_Visari notes many cultures in Medieval Europe declined to
name newborns till later in life.
L565[17:49:54] <Eddi|zuHause> never heard
about that being a thing that people did
L566[17:50:43] <Eddi|zuHause> but what do
we really know about the life of the common people from an era
where even the elite were often barely literate?
L567[17:51:08] <Eddi|zuHause> most of our
data from that time is from church records
L568[17:51:24] <BenjaminK> Well, that has
a bit of information
L569[17:52:00] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but it
also leaves out a lot
L570[17:52:54] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Medieval villages and towns especially were surprisingly good at
storing information.
L571[17:52:55] <Eddi|zuHause> like for
most people of that time we don't know the date of birth, only the
date of baptism, which may be a few days apart, but also could be a
lot more?
L572[17:54:48] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: The
precise date of birth doesn't seem to have mattered since, again,
most people died during their first year of life.
L573[17:56:20] <BenjaminK> We do know the
IMR was quite high
L574[17:56:30] <BenjaminK> and the
lufespan was ~low
L575[17:56:37] <BenjaminK> life*
L576[17:58:00] <Scolar_Visari> The average
lifespan of most pre-modern sedentary cultures was comparable with
the global average.
L577[17:58:06] <Eddi|zuHause> i remember
in my early days of history class, we were watching about the life
of germanic people in roman times, and there was this sentence
about the kid helping her great-grandmother, which seemed
incredibly old for me at the time. but if you do the math, if
people get kids at age 16-ish then the great-grandmother is maybe
in her late 40s
L578[17:58:19] <Eddi|zuHause> *watching a
movie
L579[17:59:06] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Childbirth and marriage seemed to be more common at late teens
early twenties. Having children at younger ages was downright
dangerous and typically the reserve of landed nobility.
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L581[18:01:27] <Eddi|zuHause> ok, but then
she would still be late 50s early 60s
L582[18:01:52] <Eddi|zuHause> and not mid
90s like some of todays great grandmothers
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L584[18:02:40] <Eddi|zuHause> and i
imagine non-romanized germanic life was pretty different before
christianisation
L585[18:02:55] <Scolar_Visari> Ahhh . . .
it was probably better.
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L587[18:03:47] *
Scolar_Visari notes life expectancies tend to vary dramatically
across the modern globe, and there are severe dips in health that
follow industrialization
L588[18:04:06] <Eddi|zuHause> that was the
time where a settlement usally consisted of one giant house where a
family/clan lived with the animals
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L590[18:04:31] <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, yes,
you don't want to live in early 1800s london :p
L591[18:04:56] <Scolar_Visari> The low
population density would've been more conducive to human health, as
the population dense Bobonic Plague Era Europe indicates.
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L593[18:05:43] <Scolar_Visari> Heck, life
in cities (something reserved for no more than 10% of the
population) was horrifyingly unpleasant and short
L594[18:05:55] <Eddi|zuHause> well, the
plague probably still had a long way to travel back then from
egypt(?) where it probably originated
L595[18:06:03] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Somewhere in China. Maybe.
L596[18:06:38] <Scolar_Visari> Though
there were many great plagues before that which deeply affected the
Roman Empire ala the Plague of Justinian.
L597[18:07:31] *
Scolar_Visari notes Rome was in decline well before people like to
think it suddenly disappeared because of Vandals and Goths with
their poor taste in clothing.
L598[18:08:05] <BenjaminK> It was Northern
Asia
L599[18:08:23] <BenjaminK> Siberia,
Northern China, East Russia area
L600[18:08:50] <BenjaminK> Traveled down
to China, then the merchants to Europe
L601[18:09:42] <Eddi|zuHause> wikipedia
thinks the justinian plague is an early version of the same illness
as the "black death" that swept across europe a few
centuries later
L602[18:10:45] <Scolar_Visari> Truly the
Turks slew the Empire with their new soldiers and grand
bombards.
L603[18:11:37] <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, they
probably did, but that was after a looooong series of decline for
the empire, starting with some not so great crusades
L604[18:12:47] <Scolar_Visari> Fourth
Crusade was Best Crusade.
L605[18:14:13] <Eddi|zuHause> they sure
managed to pillage some non-catholics :p
L606[18:15:35] <Scolar_Visari> Well how
else were they supposed to pay for that Italian fleet?
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L608[18:20:15] *
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combat accurate and/or fun.
L609[18:23:45] <UmbralRaptor> ;choose
Crusades to Jerusalem|Crusades from The Eye of Terror
L610[18:23:45] <kmath> UmbralRaptor:
Crusades from The Eye of Terror
L611[18:24:27] <darsie> I went on a nearly
circular escape trajectory out of Minmus. 3 h before escape Jeb
went on EVA and climbed a long ladder radial out (actually the ship
started rotating on EVA). When Jeb left Minmus' SOI he was ripped
from the ladder and rotated quickly.
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L613[18:26:23] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: Hey, the last one was actually successful!
L614[18:27:16] <darsie> oops, no, Jeb is
still on a Minmus escape trajectory which leads to a Kerbin escape
trajectory.
L615[18:28:59] <UmbralRaptor> darsie:
ladders are still silly apparently.
L616[18:29:17] <darsie> Should have made
the ladder on lots of I-beams. Much heavier than lots of cubic
struts, but probably much faster to process.
L617[18:29:56] <Scolar_Visari> I appear to
have every game I want. This is disconcerting.
L618[18:30:00] <darsie> Well, Something
like this was expected, if the ship is in Minmus SOI while Jeb is
in Kerbin orbit.
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L620[18:33:30] <darsie> It could have
treated Jep+Ship as one object.
L621[18:33:33] <darsie> Jeb
L622[18:33:34] <Eddi|zuHause> i found that
people just randomly drift off ladders (back in 1.3.x when i last
played)
L623[18:33:44] <darsie> Yeah, that's
annoying.
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L627[18:35:35] <GurrenLagannCWP> Hey
guys
L628[18:36:05] <GurrenLagannCWP> My new
grafics card will come in a few days/weeeks
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L633[18:48:54] <Eddi|zuHause> so which
coin will you mine first?
L634[19:09:09] <Azander> why mine coin?
hunt for aliens! :P
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L666[22:22:57] <Draconiator> huh, SSDs are
coming down in price bigtime right now. if they continue like this,
in the future when I replace my hard drive, I'm gonna go for a
SSD.
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L674[23:24:31] <Draconiator> Apparently
2-liter bottle plastic makes a great USB drive case. or in this
case my USB sound card casing broke. lol
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L678[23:39:41] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L679[23:42:25] <Eddi|zuHause> nobody would
take apart 2l bottles for such a thing here, you lose your 25¢
deposit