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L17[01:55:42] <Althego> star
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L20[02:07:59] <kubi> any news on a new
patch to fix this pile of bugs?
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L28[03:37:16] <TheKosmonaut> kubi: soon
TM
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L60[08:26:34] <ve2dmn> soon ™®? ?
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L62[08:29:22] <ve2dmn> forgot '℠'
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L66[08:50:56] <ve2dmn> why?
L67[08:52:01] <ve2dmn> who needs
that?
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L69[09:00:48] <Fluburtur> idiots
L70[09:02:18] <ve2dmn> but... how... why...
for what?
L71[09:03:48] <TheKosmonaut> So you can
charge your electricity
L72[09:03:51] <TheKosmonaut> Duh
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L74[09:04:01] <TheKosmonaut> Infinite
energy
L75[09:06:47] <ve2dmn> I simply cannot see
what goes through the minds of the people asking for these
cables
L76[09:17:37] <Fluburtur> transfer energy
from a generator to their house I think
L77[09:17:45] <Fluburtur> or just wanting
to die
L78[09:21:11] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: btw,
check the news
L79[09:21:40] <Fluburtur> I don't want
to
L80[09:21:45] <Fluburtur> is there anything
interesting?
L81[09:22:31] <ve2dmn> Hostage situation
near Toulouse in Trèbes
L82[09:22:40] <Fluburtur> oh good
L83[09:22:53] <Fluburtur> I thought it was
our government being a bunch of idiots again
L84[09:23:41] <ve2dmn> That is not news.
News is about what never happens
L85[09:24:12] <ve2dmn> If it's in the News,
it's because it's a rare occurance
L86[09:31:13] <Fluburtur> nah news is about
good selling headlines
L87[09:32:27] <ve2dmn> Yes, but if it grabs
the attention it's because it's shocking or unusual
L88[09:32:49] <ve2dmn> you would not sell
news based on usual everyday things
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L92[09:43:56] <Guest75656> So.... What does
everyone think of the Mark 1-3 Command pod?
L93[09:44:36] <ve2dmn> It's a pod
L94[09:44:47] <ve2dmn> :D
L95[09:46:19] <UmbralRaptor> It's 1 better
than the Mk 1-2.
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L97[09:47:11] <ve2dmn> I have so many mods
that it's not that big of an addition
L98[09:48:02] <ve2dmn> fun to see more
stuff in stock though
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L104[09:57:16] <Xander930> Hey y'all
L106[10:00:18] <Xander930> Ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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L108[10:01:00] <Xander930> Nice plane
tho
L109[10:01:45] <Lyneira> Well, it's not
exactly a normal plane, it's a hoverjet with anti grav motors from
Kerbal Foundries. Don't think I would have ever gotten it up there
without those
L110[10:02:23] <Xander930> Ha
L111[10:02:27] <Xander930> KF is a good
mod
L112[10:02:44] <Lyneira> They're sort of
like shopping cart wheels, but with zero friction
L113[10:02:55] <Lyneira> And
invisible
L114[10:03:07] <Xander930> Yeah :D
L115[10:03:18] <Lyneira> Fun to fly this
thing in hills and mountains
L116[10:03:23] <Xander930> Yeah
L117[10:03:30] <Xander930> assuming you
don't crahs it
L118[10:04:02] <Xander930> *crash
L119[10:04:26] <Lyneira> I've added enough
motors that it's really robust, you can hover over bumps and hills
at 300 m/s without much trouble
L120[10:04:43] <Xander930> Nice
L121[10:05:19] <Xander930> Are they the
gimballable ones?
L122[10:05:28] <Lyneira> No, slim versions
for minimal drag
L123[10:05:36] <Xander930> ah
L124[10:06:13] <Lyneira> The wings are
placed so it is only a little bit stable, allows you a lot of
control with the reaction wheels in the cargo bay, even hover
sideways or backwards at low speeds
L125[10:07:08] <Xander930> not bad :
)
L126[10:12:20] <Lyneira> I've managed to
get to just over 960 m/s with it on afterburners hovering on the
sea, but it'll drink fuel like mad and overheat after not too
long
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L128[10:18:03] <Xander930> wow
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L131[10:23:12] <Xander930> What do you
think of the LEM
L132[10:23:24] <Xander930> or MEM or
whatever it's caled
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L158[11:53:24] <kmath> YouTube - Building
the manned capsule for the Spica rocket
L159[11:54:55] <Fluburtur> can't wait to
see that
L160[11:55:05] <Fluburtur> their bpm 5
engine is pretty cool
L161[11:55:19] <Fluburtur> I think they
will make a bigger one for spica
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L165[12:04:11] <Althego> interesting. not
that i drink coffee or use physical tools
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L177[12:56:24] <Draconiator> I DRINK
COFFEE LOL
L178[12:58:07] <Draconiator> hmmm, despite
one of my props being slower than the other in terms of initial
acceleration...they seem pretty evenly matched.
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L189[13:07:02] <ve2dmn> Never thaught i
would say this but, Nintendo is going to be at Maker Faire Bay
Area... More then that, they are the #1 sponsor.
L190[13:08:04] <ve2dmn> The 'Presenting
Sponsor' is "Nintendo Labo"
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L192[13:09:37] <legion> well, where better
to show that off thn at a maker event?
L193[13:10:05] <ve2dmn> Cardboard is
pretty versatile to begin with
L194[13:11:22] <ve2dmn> Gunpei Yokoi would
probably be happy to see that product
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L202[13:16:51] <ve2dmn> Iwata would
probably be too
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L211[13:29:42] <Draconiator> ...and I'm
starting to think the designers of the real thing were high on acid
or something...
L212[13:30:02] <Fluburtur> nah that was a
great design
L213[13:30:07] <Fluburtur> good
visibility
L214[13:30:15] <Fluburtur> and really most
bv planes were weird
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L220[13:44:49] <Althego> does it have a
drill?
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L231[14:17:22] <ve2dmn> Is the Soyuz
really Docking only now?
L232[14:17:34] <ve2dmn> it takes that long
to get to the ISS?
L233[14:17:38] <Althego> well, there is
the 2 hour and the 2 day rendeszvous
L234[14:17:56] <Althego> they started with
the fast ones not so long ago, and sometimes they cant do it
L235[14:18:24] <ve2dmn> I hope they don't
have to go to the bathroom in those 2 days often
L236[14:18:25] <Althego> stream?
L237[14:18:35] <Althego> not more than
usual
L238[14:18:49] <Althego> the orbital
section has a functonal toilet
L239[14:18:59] <Althego> somewhat worse
than the iss
L240[14:19:06] <ve2dmn> I got a notice
from my ISS-live app. Not idea if there is a stream
L241[14:19:30] <ve2dmn> No privacy I
guess?
L243[14:19:53] <kmath> YouTube - Docking
of Crewed Soyuz MS-08 to International Space Station
L244[14:21:08] <Althego> daylight saving
is nearly upon us now. may god have mercy on us
L245[14:21:23] <ve2dmn> we did that not
long ago
L246[14:21:34] <Althego> that is an other
stupidifty
L247[14:21:39] <Althego> that it is not at
the same time
L248[14:23:20] <ve2dmn> that was our
discussion during lunch hour: stupid stuff that we should stop
doing collectively
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L250[14:23:36] <Althego> yes dst is
cancer
L251[14:24:52] <ve2dmn> We also talked
about income tax forms in Canada, and working remotetly and open
space offices
L252[14:28:32] <Althego> i dont believe
it
L253[14:28:45] <ve2dmn> ?
L254[14:28:47] <Althego> there is the
globebusters account commenting on the docking in the stream i
linked
L255[14:29:08] <Althego>
GLOBEBUSTERSRockets cannot operate in a 10 ^-17 Torr. It would
violate Newtons 3rd
L256[14:29:22] <Althego> pressure has
nothing to do with newton's laws of course
L257[14:29:23] <ve2dmn> Torr?
L258[14:29:28] <Althego> unit opf
pressure
L259[14:29:41] <Althego> i will not log in
just because of this
L260[14:30:43] <ve2dmn> Althego: does the
guy can explain how GPS works then?
L261[14:30:56] <Althego> of course, with
terrestial comms
L262[14:31:13] <Althego> never mind it was
operational before widespread cell phone network
L263[14:31:17] <ve2dmn> But then the
formula used would be all wrong...
L264[14:31:19] <Althego> and it works in
the middle of nowhere
L265[14:31:35] <Althego> too bad for the
formula
L266[14:31:52] <ve2dmn> *sigh*
L267[14:33:37] <Althego> 8 minutes until
docking
L268[14:33:54] <ve2dmn> Althego: also, we
CAN create such low pressure on Earth and they don't violate any
laws :D
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L270[14:35:49] <ve2dmn> I guess that guy
has freedom of speech and I have the freedom to say he's a complete
idiot
L271[14:36:28] <ve2dmn> And I wasted 10^34
times more energy then I should have thinking about this
topic
L272[14:36:35] <Althego> hehe
L273[14:37:05] <Althego> my only problem
with ignoring them is that they might win in the liong run and
destroy all civlilization
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L275[14:37:46] <GurrenLagannCWP> Hi!
L276[14:39:20] <Althego> 18 meters to
go
L277[14:41:02] <Althego> contct
L278[14:41:11] <GurrenLagannCWP> yay
L279[14:41:13] <Althego> just as
expected
L280[14:41:33] <Althego> over serbia, they
were practically overhead heere
L281[14:41:54] <GurrenLagannCWP> Althego:
you want to ask me about Kopernicus, right?
L282[14:42:21] <Althego> only if we are
not in an anti world
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L284[14:43:10] <GurrenLagannCWP> i have
US1 for that
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L290[14:47:42] <GurrenLagannCWP> Kabouik-:
aargh
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L294[14:53:56] <GurrenLagannCWP> APlayer:
Hiiii....
L295[14:54:05] <APlayer> Hi!
L296[14:54:27] <APlayer> Is there anything
I can do for you?
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L298[14:58:05] <GurrenLagannCWP> APlayer:
Sorry, not today. But i gave up on Kopernicus.
L299[14:58:54] <APlayer> Ow, sorry to hear
that. :-( What was your trouble with it?
L300[14:59:24] <GurrenLagannCWP> No planet
packs working
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L304[15:00:26] <N70> GurrenLagannCWP, it
doesn't work with 1.4 yet
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L306[15:00:50] <GurrenLagannCWP> N70: I'm
using 1.3.1
L308[15:00:59] <N70> what planet
packs
L309[15:01:38] <GurrenLagannCWP> I tried
OPM, EPK, and GPO
L310[15:01:58] <N70> send me your
ksp.log
L311[15:01:58] <GurrenLagannCWP> By GPO i
meant Gameslinx
L312[15:02:08] <N70> wait you have
ModularFlightIntegrator installed too
L313[15:02:10] <N70> right?
L314[15:02:13] <N70> since kopernicus
needs that
L315[15:02:33] <GurrenLagannCWP> yep
L316[15:02:39] <GurrenLagannCWP> i have
that too
L317[15:02:40] <N70> try reinstalling it
all
L318[15:02:46] <GurrenLagannCWP> i
tried
L319[15:02:52] <N70> try again
L320[15:03:21] <GurrenLagannCWP> you
really dont know that i tried 10 times
L321[15:03:34] <GurrenLagannCWP> and over
3 hours of wasted time
L322[15:03:43] <Thomas> Upload your
KSP.log and we'll figure it out
L323[15:04:15] <Thomas> Also, please
upload your Logs/Kopernicus folder and your
ModuleManager.ConfigCache
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L329[15:15:29] <Thomas> "[LOG
16:12:19]: Exception Was Recorded: Out of memory"
L331[15:16:59] <ve2dmn> Thomas:
Exception.... hum... I forgot
L332[15:17:28] <Thomas> "RAM:
3072" I am not sure if that is enough to run KSP without mods,
not even talking about modded
L333[15:17:30] <GurrenLagannCWP> ouch, Out
of Memory?! rip my chances of running OPM
L334[15:17:40] <ve2dmn> GurrenLagannCWP:
64bit or 32bit?
L335[15:17:48] <GurrenLagannCWP> 32
bit
L336[15:17:54] <ve2dmn> there's your
issue
L337[15:18:06] <GurrenLagannCWP>
uugh
L338[15:18:26] <GurrenLagannCWP> now i
have to spend 2000 dollars for a gaming pc
L339[15:18:37] <ve2dmn> no. You need more
then 4GB of ram
L340[15:19:00] <ve2dmn> And a 64bit
windows to run 64bit KSP
L341[15:19:22] <ve2dmn> (or Linux, or
OSX)
L342[15:19:28] <GurrenLagannCWP> the only
64bit windows PC i can find is my school's
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L344[15:20:06] <ve2dmn> You are really
running Windows 7 32bit?
L345[15:20:20] <GurrenLagannCWP> yep
L346[15:20:23] <ve2dmn> :(
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L349[15:20:54] <GurrenLagannCWP> unless
one of my gaming friends give me a gaming pc, i'm stuck with
it
L350[15:21:14] <ve2dmn> I haven't touched
a 32bit OS in...
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L352[15:21:35] <ve2dmn> ... wait my rpi is
32bit. Forget I sid anything
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L354[15:21:39] <GurrenLagannCWP> Thomas:
It can run modless KSP
L355[15:22:14] <KrazyKrl> Unless you are
using a 20 year old computer, you can run an x64 OS.
L356[15:22:32] <GurrenLagannCWP> Also, my
KSP that works has Hyperedit + CustomAsteroids +
BetterTimeWarp
L357[15:22:32] <ve2dmn> Yes, but the lack
of memory was a big issue back when the only 64bit version of KSP
was on Linux
L358[15:22:38] <KrazyKrl> i'm talking like
pentium 4 level of hardware.
L359[15:23:23] <Ezriilc> HyperEdit BETA-3
is "working" for KSP 1.4.1
L360[15:23:30] <GurrenLagannCWP> My PC is
only 5-years-old
L361[15:23:39] <ve2dmn> Model?
L362[15:23:41] <GurrenLagannCWP> Ezriilc:
i'm using 1.3.1
L363[15:23:58] <ve2dmn> GurrenLagannCWP:
Ezriilc WROTE Hyperedit
L364[15:24:10] <GurrenLagannCWP>
WAIT
L365[15:24:14] <Ezriilc> No, I
didn't.
L366[15:24:28] <Ezriilc> I only take care
of it.
L367[15:24:36] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn:
you scared me for a sec
L368[15:24:39] <ve2dmn> close enough
:P
L369[15:25:07] <Ezriilc> I was granted
posession by The Creator.
L370[15:25:22] <GurrenLagannCWP> Well, my
PC is a AMD Semptron-type
L371[15:25:32] <Ezriilc> And I have tons
of great KSP community members that help me to keep it current and
improving.
L372[15:27:40] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn:
my PC is a AMD Semptron-type
L373[15:28:09] <ve2dmn> that would make it
a 2006-2009 era PC
L374[15:28:18] <snow> KrazyKrl: 15, but
okay
L375[15:28:57] <GurrenLagannCWP>
rrip
L376[15:29:32] <GurrenLagannCWP> that
means my pc is 11-8 years old
L377[15:29:42] <ve2dmn> The last Sempron
came out in Jan 2009 and supported AMD64 instructions
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L379[15:30:53] <GurrenLagannCWP> i hate my
PC now
L380[15:31:07] <ve2dmn> Sorry
L381[15:32:00] <GurrenLagannCWP> i'm gonna
ask my gaming friend to give me a 2015-2018 PC
L382[15:32:26] <ve2dmn> Anything from the
same Era, but Ahtlon64 instead of Sempron would work
L383[15:33:03] <snow> I still have a
phenom II x4 standing around doing nothing
L384[15:33:07] <GurrenLagannCWP> idk how
to convert a 32-bit machine to a 64-bit
L385[15:33:10] <snow> it's only 8.5 years
old or so
L386[15:33:44] <GurrenLagannCWP> and i'm
scared that it would break EVERYTHING
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L388[15:35:17] <ve2dmn> don't install
Windows 7 twice thinking it would make it 64bit...
L390[15:35:40] <ve2dmn> "If I install
Windows 7 32bit twice would that make it 64bit?"
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L392[15:36:30] <UmbralRaptop> No for the
same reason that stacking a pair of NESes on each other won't give
a SNES.
L393[15:36:43] <snow> ve2dmn: probably a
troll though :-)
L394[15:36:45] <ve2dmn> GurrenLagannCWP:
you'll need to re-install windows, so yes it might break
things
L395[15:36:48] <UmbralRaptop> (Okay, not
exactly)
L396[15:37:12] <UmbralRaptop> ^make sure
to back up all your data first.
L397[15:37:18] <ve2dmn> ^
L398[15:37:19] <snow> I know someone who
used to walk into random high street computer shops carrying some
ancient obscure bit of peripheral or expansion card
L399[15:37:25] <ve2dmn> backup, backup,
backup
L400[15:37:32] <snow> point at the most
expensive box and go "If it'll work with this, I'll buy
it"
L401[15:37:46] <ve2dmn> and a backup you
never tested is no backup at all
L402[15:37:50] <snow> and sit back and
enjoy while everyone was trying to figure out if they could get the
sale
L403[15:37:53] <snow> A++
L404[15:38:00] <GurrenLagannCWP> I have:
EU4 - 5 gravity sims - NASA's Eyes - KSP - OpenTTD - Powder Toy -
Mini Metro - Celestia - RCT3 - Simple Planes - Simple Rockets -
Solar 2 - Stellarium - Universe Sandbox 1 and 2 - Victoria II -
WWM
L405[15:38:03] <Draconiator> I have an AMD
Athlon II x4
L406[15:38:10] <GurrenLagannCWP> All on my
crappy PC
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L408[15:38:29] <GurrenLagannCWP> Taking up
almost 75 GB
L409[15:38:41] <ve2dmn> GurrenLagannCWP:
sounds descent.
L410[15:39:29] <ve2dmn> You are missing a
few of my favorite free games
L411[15:39:29] <Draconiator> these days
better to keep your computer instead of getting a whole new one.
that's why I'm only replacing what needs replacing these days
L412[15:39:33] <snow> this is almost
making me feel bad about wanting to replace my 4 year old work
laptop >.>
L413[15:39:43] <GurrenLagannCWP>
"decent" its 21 programs/simulators/games
L414[15:40:00] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn:
which ones
L415[15:40:11] <Draconiator> I.E. old hard
drive went out so replaced it with a 2TB SSHD
L416[15:40:58] <NGC3982> openttd
<3.
L417[15:41:01] <ve2dmn> GurrenLagannCWP:
mostly Freeciv and The Ur-Quan Masters
L418[15:41:20] <ve2dmn> NGC3982: ++
L419[15:42:21] <GurrenLagannCWP> Freeciv
seems a great game that my crappy pc can run!
L420[15:42:34] <ve2dmn> it's Civilization
2
L421[15:42:44] <ve2dmn> plus a few
features from Civ3
L422[15:42:49] <ve2dmn> I love it :D
L423[15:42:59] <snow> UQM <3
L424[15:43:30] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn:
lets play a match of this game togheter
L425[15:43:32] <ve2dmn> snow: I have the
Starcontrol 2 startegy guide with an actual paper map
L426[15:43:57] <snow> nice
L427[15:44:02] <ve2dmn> GurrenLagannCWP:
sorry. Currently at work
L428[15:44:04] <GurrenLagannCWP> NGC3982:
yeah, OpenTTD, i had this game for YEARS
L429[15:44:08] <snow> I know someone who
did a fair amount of work on it I think
L430[15:44:17] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn:
Then how you are typing
L431[15:44:41] <ve2dmn> I have IRC at
work
L432[15:44:44] <snow> yeah he's listed as
one of the 5 core team members, so I guess he did :-D
L433[15:44:58] <GurrenLagannCWP> lol
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L436[15:48:54] <ve2dmn> GurrenLagannCWP: I
work with some open source people. I don't need IRC 100% of the
time but it's useful to ask questions
L437[15:49:26] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn:
incredible!
L438[15:50:46] <snow> mmm nethack
L439[15:50:51] <ve2dmn> Officially, I'm
employed byt the University to maintain servers
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L443[15:52:34] <Zenzai> got a gaming bot
at #zenbattles if anyone wants to join and play it, its based off
far cry and such
L444[15:52:48] <ve2dmn> ?
L445[15:53:19] <GurrenLagannCWP> wth
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L449[15:58:59] <NGC3982> GurrenLagannCWP:
i played for almost ten years
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L451[16:00:31] <GurrenLagannCWP> NGC3982:
OMG i only played for 3 years
L452[16:00:48] <ve2dmn> played what?
L453[16:02:13] <GurrenLagannCWP>
OpenTTD
L454[16:02:45] <ve2dmn> I remember the
original Transport Tycoon Deluxe :D
L455[16:03:34] <sandbox> I remember the
non-deluxe version
L456[16:04:09] <ve2dmn> snow: FRUNGY! the
sport of kings!
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L458[16:05:18] <ve2dmn> snow: did you ever
find the source of the Sylandro probes?
L459[16:05:54] <snow> I'm not sure, it
really has been a long time
L460[16:06:31] <ve2dmn> It's a secret
:D
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L462[16:07:58] <NGC3982> GurrenLagannCWP:
"only". :-p
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L464[16:12:40] <GurrenLagannCWP> NGC3982:
Only compared to your time
L465[16:13:12] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn:
Also, how do i change my nick in Freeciv
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L468[16:21:27] <ve2dmn> GurrenLagannCWP:
sorry still at work. check the wiki
L469[16:23:49] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn:
cant find it
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L473[16:46:22] <NGC3982> wheels bug out on
duna..
L474[16:46:38] <darsie> 1.4?
L475[16:46:42] <NGC3982> yes
L476[16:46:49] <NGC3982> bounces like
crazy on standstill
L477[16:47:06] <darsie> How about on
Kerbin?
L478[16:47:09] <NGC3982> no
L479[16:47:34] <NGC3982> but it's not
gravity, since it shot me 200 meters from standstill
L480[16:47:35] <NGC3982> :p
L481[16:47:53] <darsie> what?
L482[16:48:14] <NGC3982> the effect of the
bounce is increasing
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L485[16:55:40] <NGC3982> i have to
position myself like this not to bounce myself broken
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L488[17:06:26] <NGC3982> yeah, its
bouncing on kerbin too.
L489[17:09:04] <tawny> yeah landing gear
seems to get worse with each update imo
L490[17:09:21] <tawny> if you play with
the sliders on your gear for 'spring strength' and 'damper
strength' it helps a little
L491[17:10:28] <NGC3982> since gravity
seems to extend the bug even further, should i go for light or
heavy ground vehicles?
L492[17:10:40] <tawny> as far as I can
tell, higher spring strength absorbs more force without breaking
but makes it bouncier, so lower it as much as reasonable
L493[17:10:56] <NGC3982> yeah, 0/2
spring/damper.
L494[17:10:59] <tawny> and higher damper
strength reduces the bounce at seemingly no cost
L495[17:11:03] <tawny> so I just leave it
at max all the time
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L497[17:15:34] <GurrenLagannCWP> That's
why i still use 1.3.1: 1.4 DESTROYS EVERYTHING
L498[17:17:25] <NGC3982> :(.
L499[17:19:49] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn:
had you got out of work yet
L500[17:20:30] <GurrenLagannCWP> NGC3982:
Just switch back to 1.3.1, everything will be fixed
L501[17:20:46] <NGC3982> steam.
L502[17:21:54] <GurrenLagannCWP> Right
click KSP -> properties -> betas -> switch "no beta
selected" to "use previous stable version (1.12)
L503[17:22:04] <NGC3982> :O
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L505[17:23:04] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L507[17:24:38] <NGC3982> GurrenLagannCWP:
thanks a bunch,
L508[17:24:39] <Kalpa^> Ah, evening
Snovy
L509[17:24:41] <NGC3982> i guess ill
revert.
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L511[17:24:55] <NGC3982> the thing is i
have redone all the damn science so many times now
L512[17:25:04] <NGC3982> i just want a
complete all-visit game for once :p
L513[17:25:06] <GurrenLagannCWP> NGC3982:
np
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L515[17:26:18] <GurrenLagannCWP> Astatine
= 1,000,000,000,000 dollars
L516[17:26:23] <GurrenLagannCWP> wtf
L517[17:27:29] <GurrenLagannCWP> Element
118 costs 4 septillion dollars per kg
L518[17:28:09] <NGC3982> calculations like
that become rather moot when a kilogram is impossible to
make.
L519[17:28:59] <NGC3982> and have probably
never existed, for that matter.
L520[17:29:17] <GurrenLagannCWP> We made 3
ATOMS of 118
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L522[17:30:21] <NGC3982> yes, exactly.
also, the half life is probably something like -10^30
seconds.
L523[17:30:29] <GurrenLagannCWP> And a
space shuttle made of Element-118 would cost
8,120,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (8.12 nonillion)
dollars
L524[17:30:35] <NGC3982> well
L525[17:30:41] <GurrenLagannCWP> just
because of 3 atoms
L526[17:30:42] <NGC3982> 10 times speed of
light would be fast too
L527[17:31:13] <GurrenLagannCWP> but
that's impossible outside KSP
L528[17:31:59] <taniwha> GurrenLagannCWP:
not necessarily. Just not likely to be possible by direct
acceleration
L529[17:32:32] <GurrenLagannCWP> taniwha:
but then the mass would be infinite, Eisntein said
L530[17:32:39] <taniwha> (because
interactions between particles occur at the speed of light, so one
particle cannot push another particle faster than the speed of
light)
L531[17:32:54] <GurrenLagannCWP> its just
not possible outside KSP
L532[17:33:02] <taniwha> GurrenLagannCWP:
that's a mathematical hack to keep Newton from spinning in his
grave
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L534[17:34:11] <GurrenLagannCWP> LOL
L535[17:34:11] <NGC3982> if we were to use
travel in the space time changing way, i guess we could not call it
faster-than-light travel, even though the actual traveling from A
to B would exceed the light speed distance.
L536[17:34:20] <taniwha> though
abstraction might be better than hack
L537[17:35:02] <NGC3982> also, ksp doesnt
have ftl ;)
L538[17:35:36] <taniwha> FTL in KSP is
impossible, since light speed is infinite
L539[17:36:39] <GurrenLagannCWP> NGC3982:
taniwha danny2462
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L541[17:40:04] <GurrenLagannCWP> but we
computed 22,459,157,718,361 digits of pi
L542[17:40:24] <NGC3982> numbers are
cool.
L543[17:40:35] <GurrenLagannCWP> NGC3982:
agree
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L545[17:41:29] <NGC3982> that bouncing
thing also go for normal landing legs
L546[17:42:17] <GurrenLagannCWP> lol
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L548[17:42:30] <NGC3982> that damper thing
really worked out nicely tho
L549[17:42:38] <GurrenLagannCWP> i told ya
to downgrade to 1.3.1
L550[17:42:51] <NGC3982> nobody remembers
a coward.
L551[17:42:57] <taniwha> oh, btw, nice fix
for sliding legs: frictionAdherent = 0.5 in the ModuleWheelBase
node
L552[17:44:44] <GurrenLagannCWP> big
number incoming
L553[17:45:16] <GurrenLagannCWP>
22,459,157,718,361 ^ 100 is
L554[17:45:20] <tawny> ooo I'll keep that
in mind thanks taniwha
L555[17:45:49] <GurrenLagannCWP>
1,378,308,697,000,564,141,012,761,902,396,722,569,232,751,277,334,000,491,831,035,387,303,697,871,104,104,943,916,194,618,832,690,947,984,939,496,780,044,796,192,685,688,376,895,493,227,362,512,383,342,879,718,453,546,137,898,069,258,663,142,910,516,392,138,750,005,833,947,067,607,994,565,493,065,652,797,827,408,047,018,828,879,039,687,988,024,633,849,275,699,603,917,094,640,345,940,913,840,177,068,083,152,755,946,770,375,333,596,522,488,841,4
L556[17:45:55] <NGC3982> a good tip is to
check out brady harans math channel on youtube if you like
numbers
L557[17:45:59] <NGC3982> numberphile
L558[17:46:04] <taniwha> it took my mining
landed from sliding down a 20 degree slope at 0.3m/s to a dead
stop
L559[17:46:08] <NGC3982> also, mathologer
exists for people who wants to go deeper
L560[17:46:14] <GurrenLagannCWP> NGC3982:
i watch it every day
L561[17:46:42] <GurrenLagannCWP> in fact,
i'm watching it right now
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L563[17:47:05] *
NGC3982 flipped his rover.
L564[17:47:39] <GurrenLagannCWP> how did
you do that
L565[17:47:57] <NGC3982> gravity?
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L567[17:49:01] <GurrenLagannCWP> no, that
"* NGC3982 flipped his rover." thing
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L570[17:50:56] <taniwha> GurrenLagannCWP:
/me action
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L573[17:52:13] *
GurrenLagannCWP action calculates 130,000,000,000,000 digits of Pi
on a NASA supercomputer
L574[17:52:26] *
GurrenLagannCWP calculates 130,000,000,000,000 digits of Pi on a
NASA supercomputer
L575[17:52:32] <GurrenLagannCWP>
better
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L577[17:53:12] <taniwha> now, don't abuse
it. it can get lame if overdone
L578[17:53:13] <NGC3982> i would like a
mod that can fold stuff
L579[17:53:24] <NGC3982> because i dont
feel i get stability in rovers when having such a small wheel
base
L580[17:53:59] <taniwha> you don't. you
really want low COM compared to wheelbase
L581[17:54:09] <NGC3982> COM?
L582[17:55:08] <taniwha> center of
mass
L584[17:56:38] <taniwha> that white truck
could not be flipped
L585[17:56:43] <NGC3982> hm, i see.
L586[17:57:01] <taniwha> could bottom out,
though :/
L588[17:59:12] <GurrenLagannCWP> 09112001
occurs 2 times in the first 200M digits of Pi.
L589[17:59:26] <lordcirth> A MM patch with
NEEDS:[CommunityTechTree] isn't working. How do I test if the
CommunityTechTree flag is set?
L590[18:00:08] <GurrenLagannCWP> omg 1
more Kopernicus complain argh i give up i want 152 trillion digits
of pi
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L593[18:02:56] <lordcirth> Lol the part
name was wrong, nevermind
L594[18:03:41] <GurrenLagannCWP> uff
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L596[18:06:01] <GurrenLagannCWP> NGC3982:
i found the site of the 22,459,157,718,361 digits of pi
computation
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L600[18:10:08] <lordcirth> In 1.3.1, my
KSP would resize it's resolution when I changed the window. Now it
has black bars.
L601[18:11:11] <GurrenLagannCWP> yep, more
1.4 bugs
L602[18:11:26] <GurrenLagannCWP>
lordcirth: just wait for 1.4.1
L603[18:11:34] <lordcirth>
GurrenLagannCWP, I'm on 1.4.1
L604[18:11:36] <GurrenLagannCWP> and
downgrade to 1.3.1
L605[18:11:42] <GurrenLagannCWP> wtf
L606[18:12:16] <GurrenLagannCWP> its 1.4.1
and it still has a galaxy of bugs?!
L607[18:12:34] <lordcirth> I don't need to
downgrade, I have my old installs still, just testing & doing
some mod dev
L608[18:13:52] <GurrenLagannCWP> 1.4 =
Galaxy of Bugs - 1.4.1 = UNIVERSE of bugs
L609[18:14:12] <lordcirth> 1.4.1 probably
focused on bugfixes needed for MH
L610[18:14:13] <Eddi|zuHause>
<GurrenLagannCWP> 09112001 occurs 2 times in the first 200M
digits of Pi. <-- the theory is that every finite string of
number appears within pi somewhere
L611[18:14:17] <taniwha> that's a very
small universe
L612[18:14:33] <lordcirth> Oh hey, now it
works
L613[18:14:47] <GurrenLagannCWP>
Eddi|zuHause: yep, even 458726485364553645
L614[18:15:14] <Eddi|zuHause> probably
even your phone number
L615[18:15:25] <GurrenLagannCWP> my birth
date appears 5 times in the first 200M digits
L616[18:15:29] <GurrenLagannCWP> wtf
L617[18:15:45] <GurrenLagannCWP> now they
can search for my birthday in Pi
L618[18:16:12] <taniwha> you can probably
search for shakespear's complete works in pi
L619[18:16:20] <ve2dmn> ^
L620[18:16:35] <Eddi|zuHause> your RSA
private key also appears in pi
L621[18:16:41] <taniwha> and I bet the
bug-free version of KSP is in there somewhere, too :P
L622[18:16:59] <ve2dmn> As well as every
drawing of the kraken ever
L623[18:17:22] <Eddi|zuHause> taniwha: i
said FINITE string of numbers :p
L624[18:17:33] <Eddi|zuHause> also, i
don't think anyone has ever proven that postulate
L625[18:17:36] <ve2dmn> ho... right
L626[18:17:44] <lordcirth> No, it's not
proven
L627[18:17:47] <taniwha> Eddi|zuHause:
even finite can be very very very big
L628[18:17:47] <GurrenLagannCWP> as well
as the first 22.4 trillion digits of pi
L630[18:18:25] <taniwha> a googleplex is
finite, but with that many digits...
L631[18:18:47] <lordcirth> Hey, just
drag-resizing the KSP window seems to snap it to the right
res
L632[18:18:51] <ve2dmn> ..is mostly boring
0s ^
L633[18:19:05] <taniwha> ve2dmn: a
googleplex of digits of pi
L634[18:19:25] <taniwha> (or any other
transindential number)
L635[18:19:33] <ve2dmn> so a googleplex of
the number 1, which is a digit of pi ?
L636[18:20:03] <GurrenLagannCWP>
Eddi|zuHause: The first 22,459,157,718,361 digits of Pi can be
repeated in Pi
L637[18:20:51] <ve2dmn> The complete value
of Pi is in the digit of Pi
L638[18:21:05] <ve2dmn> Also the first
rule of Tautology club....
L640[18:21:16] <Eddi|zuHause> what about
the complete value of Tau?
L641[18:21:21] <ve2dmn> ...is an xkcd
comic
L642[18:21:35] <taniwha> Eddi|zuHause:
just 2*pi :P
L643[18:22:00] <taniwha> (and tau gets you
only the crust, I'll take the rest of the pie :P)
L644[18:22:27] <Eddi|zuHause> i totally
wish i had known about tau back when i was in school
L645[18:22:41] <taniwha> waste of
time
L646[18:22:57] <Eddi|zuHause> there were
so many times i messed up (2pi) factors by either forgetting the 2
or the pi
L647[18:23:39] <taniwha> that was the
point: to get you to practice until you did not forget
L648[18:23:53] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't
think that worked :p
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L650[18:24:52] <GurrenLagannCWP>
9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^ 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^
9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^ 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^
9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^ 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^
9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^ 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^ ...
9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^ 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^
9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^ 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^
9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^ 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^
9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ^ 9,223,372,036,854,775,8
L651[18:25:35] <taniwha> anyway, when I
learned about pi, it was just C=πd
L652[18:25:53] <taniwha> ie, we used the
diameter like any sane person :P
L653[18:26:36] <taniwha> well, any sane
person actually measuring a thing
L654[18:30:58] <Eddi|zuHause> well, you
don't have any need for Tau is all you're doing with pi is
calculating circles
L655[18:31:23] <Eddi|zuHause> *if
L656[18:31:46] <taniwha> and if you're
doing anything else, there's no need for tau
L657[18:31:57] <taniwha> 2pi is actually
pretty rare
L658[18:32:46] <Eddi|zuHause> even if 2pi
is rare, it pi without 2 is virtually nonexistent
L659[18:33:13] <Eddi|zuHause> so tau is
the better pi
L660[18:33:25] <taniwha> no, pi without 2
is very common
L661[18:33:37] <taniwha> area of cirle:
pi*r^2
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L663[18:33:48] <taniwha> -1 =
e^(pi*i)
L664[18:34:09] <taniwha> and all sorts of
other places
L665[18:34:33] <taniwha> tau is a gimmic
to give youtube hits
L666[18:34:41] <GurrenLagannCWP>
9,223,372,036,854,775,807 ↑↑ 9,223,372,036,854,775,807
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L669[18:35:39] <Eddi|zuHause> in the first
one the 2 is just hidden, it comes from int(x)=1/2*x^2, so the 1/2
happens to cancel out with the 2pi in this one special case
L670[18:37:11] <Eddi|zuHause> and the
second one is the prime example where tau actually makes more
sense, because e^(tau*i)=1
L671[18:37:43] <Eddi|zuHause> which gives
you e^(tau/2*i)=-1 and e^(tau/4*i)=i
L672[18:37:56] <taniwha> no, because x^0 =
1
L673[18:38:17] <taniwha> e^(pi*i) = -1 is
much more unique
L674[18:38:26] <taniwha> (might be other
ways)
L675[18:38:45] <Eddi|zuHause> but tau*i is
not =0
L676[18:39:04] <Eddi|zuHause> that's the
entire point of the excercise
L677[18:39:42] <Eddi|zuHause> and that's
precisely where all the 2pi factors in random physics equations
come from
L678[18:40:06] <Eddi|zuHause> like,
everything that has repeating motions
L679[18:40:19] <Eddi|zuHause> fourier
transformations
L680[18:40:22] <Eddi|zuHause> and
whatever
L681[18:41:43] <Eddi|zuHause> which is
precisely the field where tau would make things
simpler/clearer/more intuitive, if pi weren't already as
established as it is
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L683[18:45:23] <Eddi|zuHause> and then we
haven't even touched on "4pi^2"
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Mars - Quantum Sonics - One minute a time
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L718[20:31:09] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: "The rocket equation is cruelty. There is
no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will
be overcome." - William Tecumseh Kerman, Datalinks
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L720[20:35:42] <UmbralRaptor> Laser
launch!
L721[20:36:14] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: The correct answer was, in fact, a cannon assisted
launch.
L722[20:36:48] <Scolar_Visari> However,
their failures during the Kerbal Uncivil War left much to be
desired.
L723[20:36:58] <UmbralRaptor> Photons,
black powder, close enough.
L724[20:38:43] <Scolar_Visari> It was by
sheer coincidence that said cannons were more useful as direct fire
artillery.
L725[20:40:11] <Scolar_Visari> This clever
retooling of existing tech was later dramatized in every Ace Combat
game ever made.
L726[20:42:50] *
Scolar_Visari ponders the absence of American Civil War games made
in the Total War manner, particularly given the appeal of Fall of
the Samurai.
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L728[20:45:08] <UmbralRaptor> Not many
factions.
L729[20:45:54] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: Sure there are. You could have political
infighting!
L730[20:46:07] <UmbralRaptor> Hrm
L731[20:46:27] <Scolar_Visari> Also:
Hypothetical scenarios such as an invasion of Cuba (something the
Confederacy had entertained) and a British intervention (also
unlikely).
L732[20:47:23] <Scolar_Visari> There are
also Second Mexican Empire shenanigans around this time.
L733[20:49:05] <Scolar_Visari> There can
be a Franco-Prussian War DLC?
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L735[20:50:34] <TheKosmonaut>
Scolar_Visari: Invading Cuba was something the US entertained as a
whole for quite some time
L736[20:50:59] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut:
Well it sort of happened with the Spanish-American War, much to the
chagrin of the Cubans themselves.
L737[20:51:13] <TheKosmonaut>
Scolar_Visari: though there are mods for Napoleon for a Civil War
mode
L738[20:51:38] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, go
Fall of the Samurai or go to Empire's poor firing drills!
L739[20:53:51] <Scolar_Visari> Though the
Total War games have always seemed a bit too small in scale for the
time periods.
L740[20:55:26] <Scolar_Visari> Perhaps a
change is in order? Maybe a Supreme Commander-esque setup with
large battle maps plus the nifty zooming?
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L744[21:02:07] <Scolar_Visari> Sigh,
perhaps it's also not too much to task for a cruiser
simulator?
L745[21:03:03] <Scolar_Visari> Heck, a
proper Age-of-Sail frigate sim shouldn't be too hard given the
Pirates knockoffs.
L746[21:06:20] <TheKosmonaut>
Scolar_Visari: if they could do 100k+strong armies I would
die
L747[21:06:42] <TheKosmonaut> Though, how
big was the largest Napoleon conflict?
L748[21:07:09] <TheKosmonaut> 250k
iirc
L749[21:07:56] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut:
Yeah, there were battles in the Classical era that are larger than
anything the Total War engine's ever reasonably produced. To say
nothing of battles in ancient China, where the next title's taking
palce.
L750[21:09:06] <TheKosmonaut> Well, people
sometimes underestimate old militaries. Iirc the first invasion of
Korea by Japan was 100++k and that was in the 1500s
L751[21:09:42] <TheKosmonaut> I can't
imagine organizing that kind of fight in game though
L752[21:10:10] <Scolar_Visari> Heck,
nearly a 100,000 died in Cannae alone.
L753[21:11:42] <Scolar_Visari> Again, I
think a Supreme Commander approach would be more helpful than the
relatively tiny maps of the typical Total War games (their
ginormous fantasy cities notwithstanding). It'd also help if the AI
was not chronically stupid.
L754[21:11:55] <TheKosmonaut> I do love
NTW though. Best looking of the series. Besides Shogun
L755[21:12:01] <TheKosmonaut> But both
different styles
L756[21:12:10] <TheKosmonaut> I can't
stand atilla
L757[21:12:12] <Scolar_Visari> I've . . .
I've grown to accepted Warhammer II as the one, true Total War
title.
L758[21:12:29] <TheKosmonaut> I just don't
like it
L759[21:12:33] <TheKosmonaut> I mean. It's
a good game
L760[21:12:37] <Scolar_Visari> You just
can't handle it! Heathen!
L761[21:12:42] <TheKosmonaut> I just don't
like the WH universe
L762[21:12:54] <Scolar_Visari> Meh, it's
not for everyone. Particularly Warhammer Fantasy's current
incarnation.
L763[21:13:01] <Scolar_Visari> But,
lizardmen though.
L764[21:13:36] <Scolar_Visari> I'll be
honest. The only reason I bought Warhammer II was because it
dinosaurs riding larger dinosaurs into battle. I couldn't have
cared less for the setting until then.
L765[21:13:39] <TheKosmonaut> I'm looking
forward to the Chinese Tw
L766[21:13:59] <Scolar_Visari> Romance of
the Total War Kingdoms for the win.
L767[21:14:01] <TheKosmonaut> But Shogun
and Napoleon man... Mmmmmmm
L768[21:14:28] <TheKosmonaut> SHAMEFURU
DISUPREI
L769[21:14:29] *
Scolar_Visari still stares at Napoleon's questionable handling of
infantry shooting and (still) abysmal AI controlled
artillery.
L770[21:14:46] <TheKosmonaut>
Scolar_Visari: MODS
L771[21:14:52] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut:
Not nearly as fun as the Medieval I voiceovers.
L772[21:15:12] <TheKosmonaut> but NTW
visuals are so good. Aged wonderfully
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L774[21:15:34] <Scolar_Visari> Mods can't
actually fix the AI's artillery stupidity. For reasons that allude
me, CA never thought to make it so artillery would fire at the
center of selected units instead of the extreme ends.
L775[21:17:25] <Scolar_Visari> There's
also authenticity issues. As I recall, units should've marched into
battle via columns and only formed into two to three deep linear
formations when combat was imminent.
L776[21:18:29] <TheKosmonaut>
Scolar_Visari: there's actually a mod regarding the formation
L777[21:18:51] <TheKosmonaut> Your troops
can only really move in columns
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Scolar_Visari entertains the notion of a computer controlled army
of thousands marching in an open line for miles, losing order and
getting annihilated.
L781[21:24:50] <Scolar_Visari> It'd also
be nice if officers were implemented in a believable fashion rather
than as giving off a magical aura or (gasp) leading the charge ala
Alexander.
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L783[21:27:26] <Scolar_Visari>
"Lieutenant, any word on those reinforcements?"
"They're not coming, sir, the General was just killed while
personally leading against a Gatling gun emplacement!"
L784[21:30:37] <Scolar_Visari> Wait a
second . . . How can there be *12* seasons of Ancient
Aliens!?
L785[21:31:05] <legion> Aliens.
L786[21:31:13] <Scolar_Visari> That's more
than freaking X-Files!
L787[21:31:36] <legion> because people are
gullible.
L788[21:33:10] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm, the
Wikipedia talk page for Ancient Aliens is not as fun as I was
hopinh.
L789[21:34:51] <Scolar_Visari> Not enough,
"This page is bias (sic)" silliness for my taste.
L790[21:41:10] *
Scolar_Visari should make a Wikipedia pseudoscience bingo
game.
L791[21:41:26] <Scolar_Visari> I'd
recommend a drinking game, but I'm afraid it would leade to fatal
alcohol poisoning.
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L799[21:50:56] <Guest45633> 88888888
L800[21:53:43] <UmbralRaptor> Yay?
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L819[22:54:02] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Scolar_Visari> I'll be honest. The only reason I bought
Warhammer II was because it dinosaurs riding larger dinosaurs into
battle. <-- how is that any stranger than mammals riding mammals
into battle?
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