OCLogs: 2017-11-25.log

Stuff goes here

L1[00:08:08] ⇨ Joins: BadRocketsCo (~badrocket@137-234-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee)

L2[00:09:20] ⇨ Joins: ConductorCat (~Conductor@2601:5ce:200:d7a0:405c:5b3e:1522:4347)

L3[00:12:33] ⇦ Quits: Doty1154 (~Doty1154@2601:648:8000:134f:88a8:6e3d:d66a:9710) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L4[00:13:03] ⇦ Quits: ConductorCat (~Conductor@2601:5ce:200:d7a0:405c:5b3e:1522:4347) (Ping timeout: 183 seconds)

L5[00:14:29] ⇨ Joins: ConductorCat (~Conductor@172.58.185.198)

L6[00:31:27] ⇨ Joins: Althego (~Althego@BC246A88.dsl.pool.telekom.hu)

L7[00:55:55] ⇨ Joins: Lyneira (~konversat@2001:984:484e:1:20c:29ff:fea6:d040)

L8[00:58:22] ⇦ Quits: Kevin (~kevin@99-96-59-46.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 198 seconds)

L9[01:00:36] ⇦ Quits: iplop (~Iplop@24.214.58.115) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L10[01:02:39] ⇦ Quits: JCB (webchat@S0106a84e3f5d6a13.vs.shawcable.net) ()

L11[01:06:04] ⇨ Joins: Kevin (~kevin@99-96-59-46.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net)

L12[01:11:57] ⇦ Quits: BadRocketsCo (~badrocket@137-234-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee) (Ping timeout: 183 seconds)

L13[01:42:20] ⇨ Joins: SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@77.139.59.160)

L14[01:49:06] ⇨ Joins: Deddly (~MrNiceGuy@h87-96-164-204.cust.se.alltele.net)

L15[01:49:06] ChanServ sets mode: +o on Deddly

L16[02:09:23] ⇦ Quits: mucco (~mucco@93-35-203-155.ip56.fastwebnet.it) (Quit: Leaving)

L17[02:48:20] ⇦ Quits: Arynnia (~Niadra@cpe-76-178-25-35.natnow.res.rr.com) (Quit: Kirk, how the hell did you get on board?)

L18[02:59:10] ⇦ Quits: Deddly (~MrNiceGuy@h87-96-164-204.cust.se.alltele.net) (Quit: Uh oh...)

L19[03:02:01] ⇦ Quits: Gasher (~Gasher@broadband-46-188-123-137.2com.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L20[03:25:27] ⇨ Joins: sandbox (~sandbox@host-92-1-195-129.as43234.net)

L21[04:28:02] *** Dman979 is now known as Dozeman979

L22[04:34:25] ⇨ Joins: schnobs (~user@p4fcc04ac.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

L23[04:52:45] ⇦ Quits: kubi (~kubi@c-d6af71d5.018-143-73746f43.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 190 seconds)

L24[04:54:52] ⇨ Joins: ArcadeEngineer (uid196613@id-196613.tooting.irccloud.com)

L25[04:59:21] <sandbox> https://twitter.com/AwwwwCats/status/933799593720107012

L26[04:59:21] <kmath> <AwwwwCats> IT'S A TRAP! ABORT! https://t.co/TQ7xn24GzK

L27[04:59:44] ⇨ Joins: APlayer (~APlayer@p200300C22BE53800F89621897B224F20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

L28[04:59:44] ChanServ sets mode: +o on APlayer

L29[05:08:19] ⇨ Joins: Asymptote (~Asymptote@LFbn-1-4105-229.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr)

L30[05:08:29] ⇨ Joins: jazzkutya (~jazzkutya@catv-80-98-237-128.catv.broadband.hu)

L31[05:10:20] <Althego> Mastcam will collect multispectral observations of the target "Hexriver" and ChemCam will analyze the targets "Klipfonteinheuwel" and "Klippan."

L32[05:10:27] <Althego> how do they come up with these silly names

L33[05:12:11] ⇨ Joins: Fluburtur (~Fluburtur@2a01:e34:ecf7:d4f0:fd13:4055:dad8:e8d1)

L34[05:14:16] ⇦ Quits: tawny (~tawny@pool-72-66-39-104.washdc.east.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 183 seconds)

L35[05:15:10] <GlassYuri> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPWjX0FVwAAFkn4.jpg:large

L36[05:15:20] <Althego> hehe

L37[05:15:25] <Althego> resuing useless cds

L38[05:15:44] <Althego> i have a few hundred

L39[05:15:48] <GlassYuri> I guess that should be called precycling?

L40[05:17:13] <GlassYuri> apparently 'precycling' already exists

L41[05:21:56] ⇦ Quits: Supernovy (~Supernovy@122-60-249-184.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) (Quit: Goodnight.)

L42[05:24:08] ⇦ Quits: APlayer (~APlayer@p200300C22BE53800F89621897B224F20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 383 seconds)

L43[05:29:09] ⇦ Quits: NolanSyKinsley (~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:230:67ff:fe2b:9066) (Remote host closed the connection)

L44[05:30:45] ⇨ Joins: NolanSyKinsley (~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:230:67ff:fe2b:9066)

L45[05:33:43] ⇦ Quits: NolanSyKinsley (~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:230:67ff:fe2b:9066) (Remote host closed the connection)

L46[05:35:08] ⇨ Joins: NolanSyKinsley (~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:230:67ff:fe2b:9066)

L47[05:37:59] ⇨ Joins: APlayer (~APlayer@p200300C22BE53800F89621897B224F20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

L48[05:37:59] ChanServ sets mode: +o on APlayer

L49[05:41:46] ⇨ Joins: kubi (~kubi@c-d6af71d5.018-143-73746f43.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)

L50[06:08:32] ⇨ Joins: Lyneira_ (~konversat@2001:984:484e:1:20c:29ff:fea6:d040)

L51[06:09:56] ⇦ Quits: Lyneira (~konversat@2001:984:484e:1:20c:29ff:fea6:d040) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L52[06:10:29] <kubi> hmm

L53[06:10:38] <kubi> I have 2.5x scale installed

L54[06:11:05] <kubi> remotetech antennas seems to have the base distance

L55[06:18:16] ⇦ Quits: APlayer (~APlayer@p200300C22BE53800F89621897B224F20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 383 seconds)

L56[06:28:28] <Fluburtur> im doing more bda ai battles and jeb is the last pilot alive in my team

L57[06:28:29] <Fluburtur> well

L58[06:29:18] <Althego> heroes never die

L59[06:29:25] <Althego> even though it is not an ultimate anymore

L60[06:29:30] <Fluburtur> he just was shot down

L61[06:29:52] <Fluburtur> I should put flares on those planes, they have next to no defensive stuff

L62[06:39:36] ⇦ Quits: SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@77.139.59.160) (Remote host closed the connection)

L63[06:40:17] ⇨ Joins: SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@77.139.59.160)

L64[06:43:58] ⇨ Joins: icefire (~icefire@24.115.202.68.res-cmts.pbg.ptd.net)

L65[06:45:23] ⇦ Quits: NolanSyKinsley (~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:230:67ff:fe2b:9066) (Remote host closed the connection)

L66[06:49:43] <Fluburtur> escort mission somewhat sucessful, lost most of my escort

L67[06:49:54] <Fluburtur> I only have one escort plane left

L68[06:50:04] <Fluburtur> but the transport plane is safe

L69[06:50:56] <Althego> escort missions are always so bad in every game

L70[06:51:01] <Fluburtur> and my last escort plane is jeb, obviously

L71[06:51:06] <Althego> because the thing escorted is dumb

L72[06:51:17] <Fluburtur> well I was the thing escorted

L73[06:51:36] <Fluburtur> big slow heavy plane full of cruise missiles to deliver to another base

L74[06:52:54] <Leveller> escortmissions in IRL are also boring.

L75[07:05:07] <bees> until they suddenly turn to !!fun!!

L76[07:12:06] <schnobs> would someone here have experience with "trains"?

L77[07:12:22] <schnobs> That is, linking several rovers to each other...

L78[07:12:41] <schnobs> Is there a means to make them flexible at the links?

L79[07:13:06] ⇦ Quits: Asymptote (~Asymptote@LFbn-1-4105-229.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Ping timeout: 183 seconds)

L80[07:13:24] ⇨ Joins: Asymptote (~Asymptote@LFbn-1-4105-229.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr)

L81[07:13:24] <schnobs> There's a "flexible docking port" mod but by all appearances they become just as rigid as stock ports after docking.

L82[07:20:25] <Leveller> dockingports... rigid?

L83[07:20:27] <Leveller> since when? :P

L84[07:20:41] <Althego> hehehe

L85[07:20:46] <Althego> nothing is rigid in ksp

L86[07:20:50] <Althego> or probably unity

L87[07:23:27] <schnobs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nAOEcsWw98&feature=youtu.be&t=25

L88[07:23:27] <kmath> YouTube - Trouble at the large Minmus collider...

L89[07:24:12] <schnobs> OK, so that rover isn't even meant to be flexible. But I wonder if it's possible to have a train that goes over the hump in a less silly fashion.

L90[07:24:55] <schnobs> In my experience, docking ports would still be way too rigid. I'm looking for something that allows a *lot* of flexing at comparatively little force.

L91[07:25:31] <Althego> use infernal robotics?

L92[07:26:14] <Althego> and the klaw can have a high range of free movement in stock too

L93[07:26:22] <schnobs> KIS winch-and-plug?

L94[07:27:05] <schnobs> I don't consider the claw for fear of kraken attacks. then again, if these are inherent to flexible designs...

L95[07:32:20] ⇨ Joins: Xeetalim (~Xetalim@2a02:a440:e706:1:6857:e95b:89ba:a649)

L96[07:34:53] ⇨ Joins: Kabouik (~kabouik@236.34.200.37.customer.cdi.no)

L97[07:37:54] ⇦ Quits: Kabouik- (~kabouik@176.67.168.147) (Ping timeout: 207 seconds)

L98[08:01:06] <GlassYuri> ...there's gotta be a software for working with poorly scanned technical drawings

L99[08:06:50] ⇦ Quits: Asymptote (~Asymptote@LFbn-1-4105-229.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Ping timeout: 183 seconds)

L100[08:11:34] ⇨ Joins: tawny (~tawny@pool-72-66-39-104.washdc.east.verizon.net)

L101[08:13:26] ⇨ Joins: Nathan1852 (~Nathan185@HSI-KBW-37-209-86-166.hsi15.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de)

L102[08:24:39] ⇨ Joins: Deddly (~MrNiceGuy@h87-96-164-204.cust.se.alltele.net)

L103[08:24:39] ChanServ sets mode: +o on Deddly

L104[08:50:07] ⇦ Quits: schnobs (~user@p4fcc04ac.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 200 seconds)

L105[08:55:32] ⇦ Quits: hashashin_ (~hashashin@90.68.188.100) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L106[09:07:28] ⇨ Joins: smoke_fumus (~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90)

L107[09:08:56] <smoke_fumus> i think there is a way to improve on scientific system, but it will involve working with scansat mod. i'm talking about splitting resource "science" into multiple disciplines -

L108[09:08:57] <smoke_fumus> -material studies (chemistry, geology, metallurgy, metamaterials etc.),

L109[09:08:57] <smoke_fumus> -physics studies (aerodynamics, gravitational innertia, gravitational pools etc.),

L110[09:08:57] <smoke_fumus> -energy studies (energetics, transmission etc.),

L111[09:08:57] <smoke_fumus> -research, development and crew studies (scientific research, scientific tools, crew training etc.)

L112[09:08:57] <smoke_fumus>

L113[09:08:57] <smoke_fumus> And then let each node in scientific tree to use all 4 science resources depending on what it does. to example 2.5m rocket engines will be primarily physics,materials and energy; while to example wings will be primarily physics and materials study

L114[09:10:12] <smoke_fumus> i'm mean, it's just silly that you can grab a rock off mun and then research batteries with it

L115[09:25:16] ⇦ Quits: Deddly (~MrNiceGuy@h87-96-164-204.cust.se.alltele.net) (Quit: Uh oh...)

L116[09:26:27] ⇦ Quits: Lumindia_ (~Lumindia@70.15.132.43.res-cmts.pbg.ptd.net) (Ping timeout: 207 seconds)

L117[09:27:55] ⇨ Joins: GuestBanana (webchat@cpe-74-70-204-91.rochester.res.rr.com)

L118[09:36:44] ⇦ Quits: Rokker (uid37757@id-37757.brockwell.irccloud.com) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)

L119[09:41:15] ⇦ Quits: sasamj (uid193032@id-193032.brockwell.irccloud.com) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)

L120[09:42:38] ⇦ Quits: Xeetalim (~Xetalim@2a02:a440:e706:1:6857:e95b:89ba:a649) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L121[09:43:31] ⇨ Joins: mucco (~mucco@93-35-203-155.ip56.fastwebnet.it)

L122[09:48:59] ⇦ Quits: GuestBanana (webchat@cpe-74-70-204-91.rochester.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)

L123[09:54:31] ⇨ Joins: GuestBanana (webchat@cpe-74-70-204-91.rochester.res.rr.com)

L124[10:04:47] ⇨ Joins: Xetalim (~Xetalim@2a02:a440:e706:1:5829:e9e9:63ec:60fc)

L125[10:05:26] ⇦ Quits: tawny (~tawny@pool-72-66-39-104.washdc.east.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 383 seconds)

L126[10:18:00] ⇦ Quits: GlassYuri (~Kreuzung@163-139-157-49.tokyo.fdn.vectant.ne.jp) (Quit: Leaving)

L127[10:35:33] ⇦ Quits: Raidernick (~Raidernic@ool-44c3e6ba.static.optonline.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L128[10:35:45] ⇦ Quits: Davnit (~Davnit@72.189.115.20) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L129[10:35:50] ⇦ Quits: Pytagoras (~Pytagoras@54.133.164.82.customer.cdi.no) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L130[10:35:51] ⇨ Joins: Raidernick (~Raidernic@ool-44c3e6ba.static.optonline.net)

L131[10:35:58] ⇨ Joins: Pytagoras (~Pytagoras@54.133.164.82.customer.cdi.no)

L132[10:36:05] ⇨ Joins: Davnit (~Davnit@72.189.115.20)

L133[10:49:15] ⇨ Joins: APlayer (~APlayer@p200300C22BE5380018A6777FDE8F64BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

L134[10:49:15] ChanServ sets mode: +o on APlayer

L135[10:51:59] ⇦ Quits: GuestBanana (webchat@cpe-74-70-204-91.rochester.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)

L136[10:55:09] ⇦ Quits: jazzkutya (~jazzkutya@catv-80-98-237-128.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Leaving)

L137[10:57:01] ⇨ Joins: Asymptote (~Asymptote@LFbn-1-4105-229.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr)

L138[10:57:14] ⇨ Joins: schnobs (~user@p4FCC04AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

L139[11:02:55] ⇨ Joins: NolanSyKinsley (~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:230:67ff:fe2b:9066)

L140[11:12:01] ⇨ Joins: Kabouik_ (~kabouik@ks3100825.kimsufi.com)

L141[11:13:42] ⇦ Quits: Kabouik (~kabouik@236.34.200.37.customer.cdi.no) (Ping timeout: 186 seconds)

L142[11:16:03] ⇨ Joins: Gasher (~Gasher@broadband-46-188-123-137.2com.net)

L143[11:18:10] ⇦ Quits: Xetalim (~Xetalim@2a02:a440:e706:1:5829:e9e9:63ec:60fc) (Ping timeout: 198 seconds)

L144[11:37:41] ⇦ Quits: ConductorCat (~Conductor@172.58.185.198) (Ping timeout: 200 seconds)

L145[11:40:09] ⇨ Joins: ConductorCat (~Conductor@172.58.185.198)

L146[11:44:02] ⇦ Quits: APlayer (~APlayer@p200300C22BE5380018A6777FDE8F64BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 383 seconds)

L147[11:44:15] ⇦ Quits: ConductorCat (~Conductor@172.58.185.198) (Ping timeout: 207 seconds)

L148[11:53:06] ⇨ Joins: Ezriilc (~Ezriilc@173.168.39.49)

L149[11:57:54] ⇦ Quits: halcyon_b (~halcyon_b@ip72-198-7-189.ok.ok.cox.net) (Ping timeout: 207 seconds)

L150[12:12:33] <Althego> any thoughts on raptor vs br-4?

L151[12:12:39] <Althego> *be-4

L152[12:14:08] <Althego> currently looks like the be-4 is going to be bigger and fly sooner than the raptor. elon must be losing his edge

L153[12:14:20] <Althego> and both are methane

L154[12:15:29] ⇨ Joins: Draconiator (~musicphre@cpe-184-153-142-221.maine.res.rr.com)

L155[12:17:09] <xShadowx> mustve fed alot of cows alot of beans

L156[12:17:20] <Althego> hehe

L157[12:20:29] <Draconiator> The fate of the world may hinge on someyhing as simple as cow farts?

L158[12:21:01] <Althego> in fact it does

L159[12:21:12] <Althego> on the fact if we can decrease the amount

L160[12:21:41] <Althego> supposedly if you put modified bacteria in them, it is possible to eliminate the methane output

L161[12:23:38] ⇨ Joins: Aegrim (webchat@cpc137802-sund14-2-0-cust538.11-1.cable.virginm.net)

L162[12:23:59] <Aegrim> dudes

L163[12:24:35] <Aegrim> I really want to start playing this again, I just got a skylon model through the post :D But Adjustable Landing Gear still hasn't been updated :/

L164[12:25:37] ⇦ Quits: Black_Eagle (~mustakotk@dsl-83.148.223-130-dynip.ssp.fi) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L165[12:25:55] <Althego> not that important now, since we have many gear sizes

L166[12:26:42] ⇨ Joins: APlayer (~APlayer@p200300C22BE5380018A6777FDE8F64BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

L167[12:26:42] ChanServ sets mode: +o on APlayer

L168[12:39:41] ⇨ Joins: Aegrim_ (webchat@cpc137802-sund14-2-0-cust538.11-1.cable.virginm.net)

L169[12:41:59] ⇦ Quits: Aegrim (webchat@cpc137802-sund14-2-0-cust538.11-1.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)

L170[12:50:37] ⇨ Joins: Black_Eagle (~mustakotk@dsl-83.148.223-130-dynip.ssp.fi)

L171[13:11:05] ⇨ Joins: Kabouik- (~kabouik@236.34.200.37.customer.cdi.no)

L172[13:12:30] ⇨ Joins: jazzkutya (~jazzkutya@catv-80-98-237-128.catv.broadband.hu)

L173[13:13:18] ⇦ Quits: Kabouik_ (~kabouik@ks3100825.kimsufi.com) (Ping timeout: 207 seconds)

L174[13:14:55] ⇨ Joins: iplop (~Iplop@24.214.58.115)

L175[13:29:53] ⇨ Joins: Michelle (~Michelle@c-73-135-40-121.hsd1.md.comcast.net)

L176[13:30:37] ⇦ Quits: SopaXorzTaker (~SopaXorzT@77.139.59.160) (Remote host closed the connection)

L177[13:47:51] ⇨ Joins: Rokker (uid37757@id-37757.brockwell.irccloud.com)

L178[13:49:53] ⇨ Joins: micha_uk (~Micha@anaconda.lemmurg.com)

L179[13:49:56] ⇦ Parts: Michelle (~Michelle@c-73-135-40-121.hsd1.md.comcast.net) ())

L180[13:54:24] ⇨ Joins: JCB (webchat@S0106a84e3f5d6a13.vs.shawcable.net)

L181[13:59:04] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EwU-juNl1M

L182[13:59:04] <kmath> YouTube - The Floppotron: Axel F (Beverly Hills Cop Theme)

L183[14:07:31] ⇨ Joins: Kabouik_ (~kabouik@176.31.13.108)

L184[14:12:25] ⇦ Quits: Kabouik- (~kabouik@236.34.200.37.customer.cdi.no) (Ping timeout: 383 seconds)

L185[14:29:09] ⇨ Joins: Supernovy (~Supernovy@122-60-249-184.jetstream.xtra.co.nz)

L186[14:29:09] ChanServ sets mode: +o on Supernovy

L187[14:29:13] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.

L188[14:30:01] <Althego> night

L189[14:30:08] ⇦ Quits: Althego (~Althego@BC246A88.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L190[14:33:01] <ve2dmn> Good evening

L191[14:33:30] <Leveller> Hey ho

L192[14:33:56] <HotSpicySausage> My CKAN is saying docking port alignment is autodetected but i removed the folder

L193[14:35:22] <HotSpicySausage> it also says that i still have real fuelds but i removed the folder

L194[14:35:28] <HotSpicySausage> not sure what's happening

L195[14:35:31] <HotSpicySausage> real fuels*

L196[14:37:15] <ve2dmn> HotSpicySausage: welcome to ckan hell

L197[14:38:24] <ve2dmn> Took me a while to fix that very issue

L198[14:38:52] <HotSpicySausage> does Real Fuels work with 1.3.1?

L199[14:39:05] <ve2dmn> was easier to just export all from ckan, install KSP to a new folder and re-import

L200[14:39:47] <HotSpicySausage> KSP is reporting 1.3 is incompatible

L201[14:39:55] <HotSpicySausage> i mean that real fuels is incompatible with 1.3

L202[14:40:13] <HotSpicySausage> But in ckan, it says that real fuels is compatible with 1.3.1

L203[14:42:56] <JCB> think ckan keeps an internal list of mods it puts in... desyncs when you mess with things without its help?

L204[14:56:03] ⇨ Joins: tawny (~tawny@pool-72-66-39-104.washdc.east.verizon.net)

L205[15:01:01] ⇨ Joins: McKaby` (~Forgon@95.148.116.12)

L206[15:03:23] ⇦ Quits: McKaby (~Forgon@95.148.116.12) (Ping timeout: 200 seconds)

L207[15:06:05] ⇨ Joins: Korhaka (~Korhaka@2a00:23c4:82d6:f000:d20:137e:3b43:df6d)

L208[15:08:18] ⇦ Quits: kubi (~kubi@c-d6af71d5.018-143-73746f43.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Remote host closed the connection)

L209[15:12:09] ⇨ Joins: pizzaoverhead (~pizzaover@109.78.236.20)

L210[15:25:36] ⇦ Quits: Korhaka (~Korhaka@2a00:23c4:82d6:f000:d20:137e:3b43:df6d) (Quit: Leaving)

L211[15:37:43] ⇦ Quits: Lyneira_ (~konversat@2001:984:484e:1:20c:29ff:fea6:d040) (Quit: Bye)

L212[15:40:51] ⇦ Quits: APlayer (~APlayer@p200300C22BE5380018A6777FDE8F64BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 207 seconds)

L213[15:57:14] ⇦ Quits: Gasher (~Gasher@broadband-46-188-123-137.2com.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L214[15:59:55] <HotSpicySausage> where's the patch for kerbalism for 1.3.1?

L215[16:00:37] <HotSpicySausage> nevermind

L216[16:00:43] ⇨ Joins: purpletarget|hlx (~purpletar@d23-16-66-241.bchsia.telus.net)

L217[16:00:43] ChanServ sets mode: +o on purpletarget|hlx

L218[16:04:18] ⇨ Joins: fhmiv (~fhmiv@mobile-166-176-184-21.mycingular.net)

L219[16:06:00] ⇦ Quits: purpletarget|ktns (~purpletar@d23-16-66-241.bchsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 383 seconds)

L220[16:07:19] ⇦ Quits: fhmiv (~fhmiv@mobile-166-176-184-21.mycingular.net) (Client Quit)

L221[16:10:32] ⇨ Joins: Doty1154 (~Doty1154@2601:648:8000:134f:5920:a45e:da09:aa50)

L222[16:12:03] ⇨ Joins: Kabouik- (~kabouik@236.34.200.37.customer.cdi.no)

L223[16:12:45] ⇨ Joins: transitbiker1 (~transitbi@pool-98-115-189-119.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)

L224[16:14:58] ⇨ Joins: fhmiv (~fhmiv@2600:380:7010:b5c1:65ba:711:18cc:fc10)

L225[16:15:34] ⇦ Quits: transitbiker (~transitbi@pool-98-115-189-119.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 186 seconds)

L226[16:15:38] ⇦ Quits: fhmiv (~fhmiv@2600:380:7010:b5c1:65ba:711:18cc:fc10) (Client Quit)

L227[16:17:07] ⇦ Quits: Kabouik_ (~kabouik@176.31.13.108) (Ping timeout: 383 seconds)

L228[16:27:20] ⇨ Joins: Warrigal_ (~tswett@c-98-243-168-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)

L229[16:28:17] ⇦ Quits: JCB (webchat@S0106a84e3f5d6a13.vs.shawcable.net) ()

L230[16:28:42] ⇨ Joins: K3|Chris (~ChrisK3@h-9-55.A357.priv.bahnhof.se)

L231[16:36:16] ⇦ Quits: Warrigal_ (~tswett@c-98-243-168-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 183 seconds)

L232[16:37:49] <HotSpicySausage> Alright I got no science and I only got science from orbitting kerbin and the mun

L233[16:37:52] <HotSpicySausage> advice?

L234[16:41:00] <mabus> minmus

L235[16:44:10] ⇨ Joins: sasamj (uid193032@id-193032.brockwell.irccloud.com)

L236[16:44:32] <Supernovy> make a rover and drive it around KSC.

L237[16:45:55] <Supernovy> "splashed" and "landed" give different science for the same biome, so finding bits of Grassland water or ocean land can give you a little more.

L238[16:48:25] <bees> minmus

L239[16:49:59] <tawny> test a rover in the KSC and then land it on minmus

L240[16:54:25] *** Dozeman979 is now known as Deviceman979

L241[16:54:55] ⇨ Joins: Warrigal_ (~tswett@c-98-243-168-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)

L242[17:01:02] <HotSpicySausage> I don't even have the tech for landing though

L243[17:01:57] <tawny> ah

L244[17:02:06] <UmbralRaptor> Minmus flats are flat enough that landing gear are not required.

L245[17:02:30] <HotSpicySausage> i mean i have micro landing struts lol

L246[17:02:36] <HotSpicySausage> i guess that can work

L247[17:02:59] <UmbralRaptor> Uh, (sub)orbital hops for the available science in the shores, ocean, plains, desert, mountains, highlands, tundra, both poles?

L248[17:03:23] <UmbralRaptor> All of Kerbin/Mün/Minmus low/high orbits?

L249[17:04:03] ⇦ Quits: Kabouik- (~kabouik@236.34.200.37.customer.cdi.no) (Ping timeout: 207 seconds)

L250[17:06:03] <HotSpicySausage> i did the orbits but not the biomes

L251[17:07:04] ⇨ Joins: Kabouik (~kabouik@236.34.200.37.customer.cdi.no)

L252[17:10:15] <Warrigal_> Whelp, I'm trying to figure out why UNLOCK STEERING doesn't seem to be working in kOS.

L253[17:10:27] <Warrigal_> I run UNLOCK STEERING and apparently kOS just continues steering anyway.

L254[17:11:17] <HotSpicySausage> Warrigal_, try the kos server on discord

L255[17:11:51] ⇦ Quits: Asymptote (~Asymptote@LFbn-1-4105-229.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L256[17:12:54] <Warrigal_> HotSpicySausage: will do, thanks.

L257[17:13:10] ⇦ Quits: maxtothemax (~maxtothem@99-167-196-43.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 186 seconds)

L258[17:18:38] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372444178510249998/384120268123013137/20171125231753_1_-_Copie.jpg

L259[17:18:55] ⇦ Quits: K3|Chris (~ChrisK3@h-9-55.A357.priv.bahnhof.se) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805])

L260[17:22:49] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372444178510249998/384120930626174976/20171115220613_1.jpg

L261[17:24:48] ⇦ Quits: sandbox (~sandbox@host-92-1-195-129.as43234.net) (Quit: Leaving)

L262[17:25:31] <schnobs> HotSpicySausage: have you harvested the space center for science yet?

L263[17:30:55] <Leveller> IMGUR HACKED. Got a account with password same as anywhere else? Change it RIGHT NOW

L264[17:31:08] <Leveller> 1hr ago news.

L265[17:31:20] <Rolf> thankfully I got unique password per site

L266[17:31:29] <Leveller> Same. Lastpass.

L267[17:31:36] <Leveller> But i want the info out.

L268[17:33:45] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372444178510249998/384124163423469579/23843167_10159623462660483_6567948579871947747_n.png

L269[17:34:44] <Rolf> bleh

L270[17:34:51] <Rolf> they had real reason of giving up.

L271[17:34:59] <Rolf> they lost millions of solders in ww1

L272[17:35:07] <Rolf> they had nobody to defend with

L273[17:35:24] <Rolf> and uh french wins wars way more than they lose wars

L274[17:35:54] <Fluburtur> you know im french

L275[17:36:03] <Rolf> no

L276[17:36:08] <Fluburtur> now you do

L277[17:36:52] <Rolf> that does not change anything. I really hate "french is surrender monkeys" jokes.

L278[17:37:08] <Fluburtur> I understand you

L279[17:37:12] <Fluburtur> but this one is kinda fun

L280[17:37:23] <Rolf> true, that

L281[17:37:32] <Rolf> isnt french quite famous on mimes

L282[17:37:37] <Rolf> ?

L283[17:37:40] <Fluburtur> I guess

L284[17:37:43] <Fluburtur> not sure why

L285[17:37:52] * UmbralRaptor thought Fluburtur was a Swede.

L286[17:38:05] <Fluburtur> lel

L287[17:38:14] <Fluburtur> I would like to live there tbh

L288[17:38:30] <Rolf> most usa citzens really belive french suck on wars because of ww2

L289[17:39:27] <Fluburtur> you could say a lot of things about most of usa citizens

L290[17:40:50] <HotSpicySausage> schnobs, what?

L291[17:40:50] <Rolf> depends on what subject is. I freely admit usa isnt too conziant of what world differences and what it is like

L292[17:40:55] <HotSpicySausage> what do you mean harvest the space center?

L293[17:41:11] <Rolf> but usa isnt hatemongers by average. really. just that they are very vocal.

L294[17:41:36] <Warrigal_> Y'know, at the moment, I can only think of two things that come from Poland.

L295[17:41:57] <Warrigal_> Kielbasa, and artwork of airplanes with legs added.

L296[17:43:42] <UmbralRaptor> Benoit Mandlebrot (sort of)

L297[17:44:02] <Rolf> that famous marth art

L298[17:44:23] <Rolf> did you know he didnt know what it looked like till computers come around?

L299[17:44:28] <Rolf> then it got famous

L300[17:44:41] <Rolf> it may be simple math but its performed so many times

L301[17:46:20] <Warrigal_> Yup, there wasn't really any way to see what it looked like before computers.

L302[17:46:41] <Warrigal_> Performing the calculations by hand would have been extremely tedious.

L303[17:46:59] <Rolf> indeed

L304[17:47:44] <Rolf> then someone invented colorize based on how many times check before it answers no and... popularity

L305[17:49:45] <schnobs> HotSpicySausage: the space center alone has more biomes than all the remaining planet taken together.

L306[17:50:07] <HotSpicySausage> schnobs, you mean the KSC?

L307[17:50:13] <schnobs> yes.

L308[17:50:33] <tawny> you can't get 'flying/in space over' readings for the KSC though, which offsets it a bit

L309[17:51:33] <schnobs> technically you can.

L310[17:51:46] <tawny> but just for the Shores biome, right?

L311[17:52:01] ⇦ Quits: Ezriilc (~Ezriilc@173.168.39.49) (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.Kerbaltek.com))

L312[17:52:23] <schnobs> Happened to me today, craft stumbling on a stair and taking a leap, got results for flying over one fo the R&D buildings.

L313[17:52:29] <tawny> oh, huh

L314[17:52:30] <tawny> neat

L315[17:52:30] <Rolf> I recall something about weird biome gaps due to alasing of biome map

L316[17:52:36] <schnobs> "flying into" would have been more truthful.

L317[17:52:39] <Leveller> tawny: tawny .. stone?

L318[17:52:44] <Leveller> :D

L319[17:52:48] <Rolf> so theres biome between grasslands and beach for example

L320[17:52:58] <tawny> what's tawny stone

L321[17:53:08] <Leveller> dont google. NSFW

L322[17:53:17] <tawny> ah

L323[17:53:28] <Leveller> some girl.. pop in the 90s..

L324[17:54:01] <tawny> ah

L325[17:58:36] <Rolf> googled. interesting. definitely dont search at work or home where others can see

L326[17:59:14] <tawny> yeah I'm definitely not her

L327[18:02:22] ⇨ Joins: mucco_ (~mucco@93-35-203-155.ip56.fastwebnet.it)

L328[18:03:10] ⇨ Joins: Arynnia (~Niadra@cpe-76-178-25-35.natnow.res.rr.com)

L329[18:03:13] <schnobs> Hmmm. I've sprung a mem leak. KSP thinks it's using ~3GB, top says 15GB.

L330[18:03:21] <schnobs> was 12GB just a short while ago.

L331[18:04:06] ⇦ Quits: mucco (~mucco@93-35-203-155.ip56.fastwebnet.it) (Ping timeout: 183 seconds)

L332[18:16:14] ⇦ Quits: Fluburtur (~Fluburtur@2a01:e34:ecf7:d4f0:fd13:4055:dad8:e8d1) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L333[18:38:26] <HotSpicySausage> is there a guide to making planes in FAR?

L334[18:38:50] <kremlin> there's nothing special about FAR

L335[18:38:54] <tawny> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/47818-basic-aircraft-design-explained-simply-with-pictures/ this covers some of the basics, generally

L336[18:39:19] <tawny> FAR design is mostly the same as stock plane design now which is nice

L337[18:39:34] <kremlin> the same principles apply to FAR & stock, although FAR will bring to light your design flaws

L338[18:40:24] <tawny> the two things that really differ are that in stock, angle of attack/angle of incidence interacts with your wings and control surfaces weirdly compared to irl/FAR, and if you make a supersonic plane you'll need to be more aware of area ruling

L339[18:40:47] ⇦ Quits: Warrigal_ (~tswett@c-98-243-168-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 183 seconds)

L340[18:42:43] <tawny> I find FAR is a little less friendly to beginner approaches, because in stock KSP if your plane isn't stable or steady enough you can just slap another ten wing parts on your plane wherever you feel like

L341[18:43:22] <tawny> but it rewards considering things like wing sweep which don't get rewarded properly in stock

L342[18:44:38] <schnobs> by and large, I don't care too much about far. Except.

L343[18:45:04] <schnobs> My big-s spaceplane on a rocket would be very difficult to launch in stock aero.

L344[18:45:14] <HotSpicySausage> well i made a plane and it wouldn't even glide

L345[18:45:20] <HotSpicySausage> after i launched with a rocket

L346[18:46:08] <tawny> try making your wings longer

L347[18:46:24] <HotSpicySausage> I have no idea how to read the FAR chart

L348[18:46:32] <HotSpicySausage> and how to tell if my wings give enough lift

L349[18:46:35] <tawny> you don't need the FAR chart unless you're doing supersonic

L350[18:46:57] <HotSpicySausage> hwo do i know if my wings give good enough lift? i'm using starter wings

L351[18:47:17] <tawny> just launch your planes again and again and add more wings or raise their angle of attack slightly until you can take off

L352[18:47:33] <HotSpicySausage> angle of attack?

L353[18:47:36] <tawny> you shouldn't need very big wings unless you're making a really large plane

L354[18:47:50] <tawny> angle of attack is the angle between where your plane is pointing and the horizon

L355[18:48:12] <HotSpicySausage> it looks like this so far: https://imgur.com/a/w6N4H

L356[18:48:12] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/nz1aP2D.jpg

L357[18:48:13] <tawny> more accurately, it's the angle between the wings and the ground

L358[18:48:25] <Rokker> kmath: wtf

L359[18:48:31] <tawny> that should fly fine

L360[18:48:41] <tawny> kmath is a bot

L361[18:48:43] <HotSpicySausage> well it wouldn't even glide and it kept falling

L362[18:49:01] <HotSpicySausage> and if i turned off SAS, it would tumble

L363[18:49:03] <tawny> try moving those front wings back a bit

L364[18:49:11] <Rokker> tawny: no it shouldn't fly fine and kmath should not be posting unprompted

L365[18:49:37] <Rokker> HotSpicySausage: your CoL is probably way too far forward

L366[18:49:42] <tawny> wait hold on- yeah

L367[18:49:53] <tawny> that's a fuel tank behind the cockpit, not a fuselage piece

L368[18:50:14] <tawny> which means your CoM is probably entirely behind your wings

L369[18:50:22] <tawny> maybe even in the middle of those tail fins

L370[18:50:23] <Rokker> the rokker has spoken

L371[18:50:52] <HotSpicySausage> lol

L372[18:51:21] <tawny> anyway kmath seems to repost any link to an imgur album as the direct image url

L373[18:51:29] <tawny> I thought that was intended behavior?

L374[18:52:02] <Rokker> tawny: ah right, I forgot about that stupid feature

L375[18:52:10] <Rokker> almost as bad as when it had mission

L376[18:52:16] <tawny> mission?

L377[18:52:59] <Rokker> tawny: awful feature that looked at a list of user made missions and outcomes and combined the two

L378[18:53:05] <Rokker> heavily spammed and abused

L379[18:53:10] <tawny> ahhhhh

L380[18:53:12] <Rokker> namely by a few users

L381[18:53:17] <tawny> yeah I can see how that'd be Not Great

L382[18:53:17] <Rokker> godawful idea

L383[18:53:59] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: do you think I still hold the top spot for this channel?

L384[18:54:18] <HotSpicySausage> what speed is considered sub-sonic?

L385[18:54:39] <HotSpicySausage> because i went 350 m/s and my plane exploded

L386[18:54:58] <Rokker> I haven't been to active for a long while but it's gotta be either me or gg

L387[18:55:00] <tawny> depends on altitude

L388[18:55:00] <Rokker> or kmath

L389[18:55:14] <Rokker> HotSpicySausage: yeah that was probably speed of sound

L390[18:55:22] <tawny> open FAR in flight, it gives you a handy mach number readout

L391[18:55:43] <HotSpicySausage> going 400 m/s

L392[18:55:47] <HotSpicySausage> with tail fins

L393[18:56:08] <tawny> close to sea level, mach 1 is ~340 m/s

L394[18:56:37] <tawny> in real life it depends on temperature too but I don't think anything models temperature independent of altitude in KSP

L395[18:56:59] <tawny> I could be mistaken on that though

L396[18:57:40] <tawny> I know the thermometer gives you different readouts by biome but I've never noticed those to correspond to any difference in flight conditions, personally

L397[18:57:41] <Rokker> tawny: nah, temp isn't a factor

L398[18:57:44] <tawny> but I am also a very bad pilot

L399[18:58:10] <HotSpicySausage> how the heck do you even make a sub-orbital plane when it's hard with the center of gravity and center of lift

L400[18:58:33] <tawny> oh right you don't have landing gear wheels yet, do you

L401[18:58:39] <tawny> so you're stuck with vertical launch

L402[18:59:02] <tawny> in your case, something like a delta wing might be a better choice

L403[18:59:08] <tawny> but idk if you have the parts for that just yet

L404[18:59:44] <tawny> so I'd say just move those swept wing parts back until they're touching or even clipping into your tail fins, and that will behave kinda the same?

L405[19:00:26] <Rolf> water landing would work?

L406[19:00:28] <tawny> you can also replace your 1.25m size fuel tank with an empty fuselage part, which will shift your CoM forward a good amount

L407[19:00:39] <tawny> yeah, parachute into water is a fine landing option

L408[19:00:45] <HotSpicySausage> I have landing gear wheels

L409[19:00:47] <tawny> the problem is more having to rely on vertical launch here

L410[19:00:48] <tawny> oh

L411[19:00:49] <HotSpicySausage> but the landing strip is only T1

L412[19:00:53] <tawny> ohhhhhhh

L413[19:01:05] <tawny> you can just drive off of it and into the grass on the side

L414[19:01:12] <HotSpicySausage> and i don't want to fly to the opposite side of kerbin

L415[19:01:14] <Rolf> HotSpicySausage: I recall using jeta as "landing wheels"

L416[19:01:15] <HotSpicySausage> takes too long

L417[19:01:35] <Rolf> just fly off hopefully just exploding jeta

L418[19:01:48] <tawny> you can probably radially mount something to give you a tail fin that extends backwards past the decoupler

L419[19:01:53] <HotSpicySausage> i would prefer doing sub-orbit as it's faster to get somewhere

L420[19:01:55] <tawny> which will help with both control and CoL

L421[19:02:11] <tawny> might make that rocket kinda unstable though

L422[19:02:18] ⇦ Quits: Nathan1852 (~Nathan185@HSI-KBW-37-209-86-166.hsi15.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L423[19:14:47] ⇦ Quits: ArcadeEngineer (uid196613@id-196613.tooting.irccloud.com) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)

L424[19:18:20] <Iskierka> https://youtu.be/E5r2N9yQi5A

L425[19:18:21] <kmath> YouTube - Will a Model Rocket Engine Burn In Liquid Nitrogen ?- 4K Slow Motion

L426[19:19:51] <HotSpicySausage> how do i edit my save's settings where i cannot do quick saves?

L427[19:20:16] <Iskierka> space centre, menu, options, difficulty options

L428[19:20:43] <HotSpicySausage> ahhh

L429[19:27:40] ⇨ Joins: K3|Chris (~ChrisK3@h-9-55.A357.priv.bahnhof.se)

L430[19:34:58] <HotSpicySausage> I notice that my FPS in KSP is going below 60, is it my graphics?

L431[19:35:04] <HotSpicySausage> or just the processing of the game?

L432[19:48:11] <TheKosmonaut> HotSpicySausage: what are your specs?

L433[19:48:45] <TheKosmonaut> KSP isn’t exactly a buttery smooth FPS game. Even beasts of computers will drop frames if you’ve got enough parts running and mods on

L434[19:49:09] ⇦ Quits: micha_uk (~Micha@anaconda.lemmurg.com) (Ping timeout: 207 seconds)

L435[19:51:48] <HotSpicySausage> TheKosmonaut, AMD rx 580, i7 7700k

L436[19:52:16] <TheKosmonaut> HotSpicySausage: mods?

L437[19:52:42] ⇦ Quits: jazzkutya (~jazzkutya@catv-80-98-237-128.catv.broadband.hu) (Quit: Leaving)

L438[19:55:30] <HotSpicySausage> a lot

L439[19:56:03] <HotSpicySausage> https://pastebin.com/hQtqwZWu

L440[19:57:34] <TheKosmonaut> Probably visual mods

L441[19:57:53] <TheKosmonaut> Is it a significant drop in frames or just average FPS has dipped overall?

L442[19:59:20] <HotSpicySausage> well i don't even know my average FPS as I'm just checking now

L443[19:59:34] <HotSpicySausage> so i don't know how it is in vanilla, but assime quite a lot has been lost

L444[19:59:52] <HotSpicySausage> goes down to 30

L445[20:06:02] <HotSpicySausage> which is why i'm wondering if you're supposed to have low FPS in KSP

L446[20:06:34] <HotSpicySausage> that it's the visuals or all the things that need to calculated by the CPU

L447[20:12:20] <HotSpicySausage> this dang thing won't glide: https://imgur.com/a/VUqLt

L448[20:12:22] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/nU2D0si.jpg

L449[20:12:34] <HotSpicySausage> trying to make it glide from sub-orbit but it just crashes

L450[20:13:25] <UmbralRaptor> Turn it sideways to check CoL vs CoM?

L451[20:14:08] <HotSpicySausage> it looks inline

L452[20:14:54] <HotSpicySausage> do i really need more wingspan for such a small plane?

L453[20:16:13] <UmbralRaptor> Oh, FAR. Never mind, but I think it does pseudo wind tunnel things you can check?

L454[20:16:31] <HotSpicySausage> eh?

L455[20:19:49] <tawny> you can maybe try increasing your angle of attack by rotating the wings a little

L456[20:22:59] ⇦ Quits: Aegrim_ (webchat@cpc137802-sund14-2-0-cust538.11-1.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)

L457[20:24:33] <HotSpicySausage> rotating them in what manner?

L458[20:27:19] <tawny> you want a positive angle of incidence

L459[20:27:30] <tawny> well, maybe

L460[20:27:44] <tawny> which would mean when you're in level flight, the leading edge of your wing is pointing sorta upwards

L461[20:29:17] <tawny> I'm not sure if that would help at all here, though

L462[20:29:28] <tawny> since I don't know what exactly is making it not glide well

L463[20:34:05] <HotSpicySausage> well i'm not using flaps, but i think i should only need them for take-off

L464[20:35:54] ⇨ Joins: lordcirth (~lordcirth@45.72.215.107)

L465[20:51:12] ⇨ Joins: Scolar_Visari (webchat@64.20.133.215.dyn-e-pool6.pool.hargray.net)

L466[20:51:13] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: You could say that the enemies you stealth kill in Wolfenstein . . . Did Nazi you coming!

L467[20:52:01] ⇦ Quits: schnobs (~user@p4FCC04AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 183 seconds)

L468[20:52:30] <UmbralRaptor> Something like that.

L469[20:52:37] <KrazyKrl> I'd say that's a tasteless joke... but I don't want to Rhine about it.

L470[20:53:06] <Scolar_Visari> I thought it was pretty Reich.

L471[20:55:01] * UmbralRaptor tries Harz to find a good followup, but topping those mountains of puns…

L472[20:55:28] <Scolar_Visari> Tis good and schnell.

L473[21:02:25] <KrazyKrl> These jokes are Bavarian tents.

L474[21:04:03] <Scolar_Visari> You're achtung a bit suspicious

L475[21:04:10] <Scolar_Visari> Also: This seems a bit . . . Tall. https://assets.flatpyramid.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/10135449/jgpziv_01.jpg

L476[21:05:13] <UmbralRaptor> … why doesn't it have a proper turret?

L477[21:06:39] <Scolar_Visari> Because turrets are expensive, also: It's real! http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/Panzerjagers/Jagdpanzer-IV/photos/Sd.Kfz._162-1_Jagdpanzer_IV-70(A)_Saumur-museum2.JPG

L478[21:06:51] <tawny> turrets were optional back then

L479[21:07:08] <taniwha> HotSpicySausage: your problem is wing area, not wing span

L480[21:07:21] <KrazyKrl> You're making your case for casemates, mate.

L481[21:07:24] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Aside from the cost of manufacturing the added electric equipment, turret rings were also finicky and certain AFVs (like the Pzkpfw III) could not mount very large guns.

L482[21:07:56] <Scolar_Visari> Amusingly, the last versions of the Pzkpfw IV did not have motorized turrets, essentially making them very noisy assault guns (as they also lacked mufflers).

L483[21:08:05] <HotSpicySausage> taniwha, when i make the wings longer, they just make the rocket want to flip though :S

L484[21:08:16] <HotSpicySausage> when i try to do sub-orbit

L485[21:08:33] <HotSpicySausage> if i try to gravity roll

L486[21:09:25] <taniwha> it's all a balancing act

L487[21:10:00] <taniwha> if this is on a rocket, then you need bigger fins on the rocket's tail

L488[21:10:25] * Scolar_Visari nods to the unpowered turrets on American tank destroyers, which also had a high profile and opened top (!)

L489[21:10:36] <taniwha> also, keep your nose within about 5 degrees of surface prograde during ascent

L490[21:10:44] <HotSpicySausage> i do

L491[21:10:59] <taniwha> ok, so... lots of gimbal and more tail fins

L492[21:11:08] <taniwha> also, try ascending slower

L493[21:11:42] <taniwha> slower -> less drag -> less torque

L494[21:12:34] <taniwha> just saw the rocket... yeah, that will flip

L495[21:12:40] <taniwha> and go too fast

L496[21:14:03] <taniwha> try to keep subsonic until you get above 10km

L497[21:15:48] <KrazyKrl> Gimbal is control, fins are stability. Obviously more stability means less control.

L498[21:16:43] ⇦ Quits: icefire (~icefire@24.115.202.68.res-cmts.pbg.ptd.net) (Quit: Leaving)

L499[21:17:21] <taniwha> unless those fins are control surface

L500[21:17:36] <taniwha> but the problem is he has insufficient stability

L501[21:18:33] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: I forgot to add that German turrets for heavy tanks also tended to have, er, issues. The motor's effective speed was determined by the engine, which was run by the driver who had to rev up the engine to maximize the turret's rotational speed.

L502[21:19:00] <Scolar_Visari> Turning the tank in place to increase turret speed also had a good chance of breaking the transmission.

L503[21:20:02] <Truga> so uh

L504[21:20:06] <Truga> here's a super newbie question

L505[21:20:27] <Truga> if I transmit some science with low efficiency, am I locked out of the rest of the science it gives? or can I repeat it?

L506[21:20:52] <UmbralRaptor> no, and no.

L507[21:20:54] <tawny> no, you can always get more science in a specific category until you've maxed it out

L508[21:21:03] <taniwha> Truga: you can get the rest by recovering it

L509[21:21:05] <tawny> but you will need to re-collect that particular bit of science data

L510[21:21:09] <Truga> ah cool

L511[21:21:11] <Truga> yeah that's fine

L512[21:21:21] <Truga> if I transmit the same data a few times do I get more?

L513[21:21:24] ⇨ Joins: Warrigal_ (~tswett@c-68-48-150-165.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)

L514[21:21:24] <Scolar_Visari> Transmit? Bah! Go sample return or go back and return some samples!

L515[21:21:30] <UmbralRaptor> You can still get the rest, but you'll need to physically return it.

L516[21:21:34] <Truga> ah

L517[21:21:36] <Truga> okay that makes sense

L518[21:22:11] <Truga> that's actually a pretty great mechanic tbh

L519[21:22:22] <Truga> send some probes, get some science, send kerbals with the unlocked things to get more

L520[21:23:39] <tawny> mhm

L521[21:24:34] <tawny> another thing to consider is that once you've physically returned data, you generally won't be able to get any more science from transmitting that same data point; you'll have to physically return the rest as well

L522[21:24:35] <Scolar_Visari> Truga: True to life, there are still papers published using samples recovered from the Apollo missions.

L523[21:24:44] <Truga> oh I know

L524[21:25:00] * Scolar_Visari believes a significant amount of materials have yet to be analyzed at all.

L525[21:27:04] <Truga> I think I took the wrong sciences at the start cause this is actually pretty hard now without the 2.5m tanks and earth sized planet

L526[21:27:35] <Truga> i beelined for the panels and welp now it's really hard to get anywhere because 400l fuel tanks don't hold much

L527[21:27:54] <tawny> just stack a bunch radially?

L528[21:28:17] <Truga> fuel lines are also in the 90 science tier :p

L529[21:29:25] <Truga> when i can put a fat tank full of lh2 in my top stage it'll be fine tbh

L530[21:32:57] <tawny> you don't need fuel lines for tanks that are touching each other, I'm pretty sure

L531[21:33:40] <lordcirth> yeah, radial tanks with no decouplers don't need fuel lines

L532[21:33:53] <lordcirth> Test it on the pad

L533[21:33:55] <UmbralRaptor> With how much you can mess with fuel priority, fuel lines are barely needed now.

L534[21:33:59] <tawny> I think decouplers can do fuel transfer without having fuel lines unlocked, too

L535[21:34:13] <lordcirth> I did not know that

L536[21:34:28] <Truga> yeah, I know about decouplers

L537[21:34:40] ⇨ Joins: pizzaoverhead_ (~pizzaover@109.76.136.168)

L538[21:34:43] <Truga> I haven't really played much since just before 1.0 so I thought lines were still needed

L539[21:34:48] <Truga> that makes things much easier then

L540[21:34:50] <tawny> ahhh

L541[21:35:22] <Truga> goodbye 80m tall 1.25m rocket lol

L542[21:35:40] <tawny> haha

L543[21:38:31] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Is that why the Falcon Heavy probably doesn't have crossfeeding anymore?

L544[21:38:32] ⇦ Quits: pizzaoverhead (~pizzaover@109.78.236.20) (Ping timeout: 383 seconds)

L545[21:38:46] <tawny> haha

L546[21:39:47] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: Maybe. It seems to have been made for an old version of KSP, and SpaceX keeps on needing to wait for their mods to update though.

L547[21:40:01] <Scolar_Visari> "Well guys, since KSP got rid of fuel lines in their last release, I guess we'll be removin' them from the Falcon Heavy.

L548[21:40:51] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Heaven forbid they forget about n-body physics.

L549[21:41:30] <UmbralRaptor> Hope they're using a good version of FAR.

L550[21:42:26] <Scolar_Visari> Why do you think their first landings failed and they had to add control surfaces?

L551[21:42:47] <UmbralRaptor> Hah

L552[21:43:41] <Truga> yeah, this totally works

L553[21:44:06] <Truga> now I can just strap a bunch of srbs on this and it should work splendid

L554[21:44:22] <HotSpicySausage> I've been trying to get this sub-orbit plane working for the past 3 hours i think lol

L555[21:44:22] <Scolar_Visari> Hey, it worked for the Delta II!

L556[21:44:37] <KrazyKrl> You can get a brick to orbit if you have enough thrust.

L557[21:44:42] ⇦ Quits: smoke_fumus (~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90) (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)

L558[21:45:14] <Epi> KrazyKrl depends, if you have it all the thrust at once it would explode

L559[21:45:18] <Scolar_Visari> KrazyKrl: I always wondered how the Taiidani Heavy Cruisers got into space.

L560[21:45:53] <Truga> is there any way to make a particular stage lock further staging?

L561[21:46:02] <Truga> like alt+l, but happens after you stage

L562[21:46:03] <UmbralRaptor> The Delta II is completely unrealistic. 9 SRBs? And you mean it has an accident rate lower than the Shuttle?

L563[21:46:21] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Clearly a hoax. SRBs are just plain horrible and never work!

L564[21:46:38] <Truga> SRBS are nice because they're very cheap

L565[21:46:49] <Scolar_Visari> Truga: And reliable! Mostly.

L566[21:47:01] <Truga> I'd use them more, but their efficiency in vacum is rather pathetic comparably to liquid engines :(

L567[21:47:34] <Scolar_Visari> They'll still work in a vacuum all the same ala the Inertial Upper Stage and Antare's upper stage.

L568[21:47:49] ⇦ Quits: Kabouik (~kabouik@236.34.200.37.customer.cdi.no) (Ping timeout: 183 seconds)

L569[21:48:04] <UmbralRaptor> KSP SRBs however…

L570[21:48:04] <Truga> yeah, I dump my last two after the gravity turn is complete

L571[21:48:14] <Scolar_Visari> Though most solid fuel rocket boosters are sort of dispensed early on.

L572[21:48:31] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: I wish there was vanilla support for variable thrust ala the STS SRBs.

L573[21:48:55] <Scolar_Visari> As it stands, KSP SRBs are not far removed from ICBMs.

L574[21:49:18] <KrazyKrl> What would variable thrust SRBs add to gameplay?

L575[21:49:45] <Truga> I like my rocket not disintegrating in the thick atmosphere

L576[21:49:45] <KrazyKrl> Sounds like a lot of work and features for something without much depth.

L577[21:49:55] <UmbralRaptor> Optimizing ascents, staying within g limits.

L578[21:49:59] <Truga> yeah, basically

L579[21:50:04] <UmbralRaptor> (and aerodynamic ones)

L580[21:50:09] <KrazyKrl> Vanilla doesn't give enough feedback to really tune SRBs anyhow.

L581[21:50:23] <Scolar_Visari> "Why do you NEED to shut off one of the F-1 engines, anway? Why do you NEED reduced Gs!?"

L582[21:50:54] <KrazyKrl> I guess you could use the G-meter and MET to get a general idea of the flight profile...

L583[21:51:31] <KrazyKrl> Full vanilla? Naa... Modded? Of course.

L584[21:52:09] * UmbralRaptor glares at how vanilla hides the radar altimeter in cockpits.

L585[21:52:18] <Truga> it does??

L586[21:52:44] <taniwha> Truga: it's always off-screen when you first IVA

L587[21:52:49] <Truga> ah

L588[21:52:51] <Truga> :D

L589[21:52:53] <HotSpicySausage> UmbralRaptor, why do you care about g-limits?

L590[21:53:37] <Truga> things sometimes explode if you go over 9g

L591[21:53:44] <Scolar_Visari> I'd prefer my astronauts' organs to not be reduced to the consistency of chunky salsa upon making orbit.

L592[21:53:47] <Truga> also if there's red hot outside

L593[21:53:51] <UmbralRaptor> HotSpicySausage: in stock, not much (things don't break easily, and there's no way to turn kerbals into salsa verde)

L594[21:54:14] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Or would it be guacamole, in Kerbals' case?

L595[21:54:14] <HotSpicySausage> i found out there's an option in advance options where you can have kerbals pass out from g-forces

L596[21:55:14] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: well, are kerbals intelligent avocados?

L597[21:56:14] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Further analysis is required. I will need tissue samples . . . Shall we send a scout ship to Kerbin and abduct Kerbal test subjects?

L598[21:56:15] <UmbralRaptor> (maybe that's why they don't have any houses.)

L599[21:56:34] ⇦ Quits: flo_ (~flo@p200300E0D3ED47003212FD6B4D4EE3A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 198 seconds)

L600[21:56:42] <KrazyKrl> I honestly don't think that excessive Gs would cause chunky salsa... high axial G loads would. Excessive Gs would cause something more along the lines of a burst water balloon.

L601[21:57:09] <Scolar_Visari> KrazyKrl: Clearly you've never seen something jump off a 100 story building?

L602[21:57:32] <KrazyKrl> That's impingement.

L603[21:57:58] <Scolar_Visari> Excessive g-forces in a very short period of time.

L604[21:58:10] <Truga> yeah but that's hundreds

L605[21:58:16] <KrazyKrl> Excessive G-forces against a solid object.

L606[21:58:18] <Truga> it's instant stop followed by deformation

L607[21:58:20] <Truga> :p

L608[21:58:40] <KrazyKrl> Or... "shock" G forces.

L609[21:58:49] * Scolar_Visari is aware of impressive ABM solid fuel rockets with g-forces that could probably reduce human payloads into unpleasant red stains.

L610[21:59:04] ⇨ Joins: flo (~flo@p200300E0D3FE2500112AF5243DD4BA3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

L611[21:59:35] <Truga> well yeah

L612[22:00:05] <Scolar_Visari> Also: Epstein drives!

L613[22:03:02] <Scolar_Visari> Nigh instantaneous acceleration to c would likewise be unhealthy.

L614[22:03:20] <Rolf> honor harrigson book series had that

L615[22:03:36] <Rolf> it's also issue, their drives could theoricically go to c instanylu

L616[22:03:49] <Rolf> but they have compenstors but those limit acceration

L617[22:04:16] <Rolf> so thoughput the series that limit increases with new tech. now 350G for example

L618[22:06:52] <HotSpicySausage> I have no idea wtf is going on

L619[22:06:56] <HotSpicySausage> I keep entering side slips

L620[22:07:00] <HotSpicySausage> in FAR

L621[22:07:13] <KrazyKrl> Read the voodoo graphs, they tell everything.

L622[22:07:37] <HotSpicySausage> https://imgur.com/a/ewBZZ

L623[22:07:38] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/PoBWK0n.jpg

L624[22:07:49] <HotSpicySausage> KrazyKrl, i read a bit of them, what am I supposed to be looking for?

L625[22:09:27] <Truga> wait

L626[22:09:42] <Truga> that is odd

L627[22:10:01] <HotSpicySausage> ???

L628[22:10:05] <Truga> how are you turning?

L629[22:10:21] <Truga> like, do the sideslips just happen or are you trying to turn with a and d? :V

L630[22:10:45] <Truga> i'm gonna guess no but still

L631[22:11:32] <HotSpicySausage> i'm trying to recover from the side slips with a and D

L632[22:12:00] * Scolar_Visari tests sudden accleration by going beyond c

L633[22:12:04] <Truga> well that's fine

L634[22:12:14] <Truga> no idea why that would be happning

L635[22:12:32] <Truga> have you tried attaching a bigger tail?

L636[22:12:43] <HotSpicySausage> I did have something show in my log like: [0] failed from aerodynamic stress

L637[22:12:56] <Truga> oh

L638[22:13:08] <Truga> did something blow up from too high pressure and now you're no longer symmetric?

L639[22:13:11] <Truga> that could happen

L640[22:13:12] <tawny> maybe you're going too fast when you try to steer

L641[22:13:15] <HotSpicySausage> no idea, didn't notice

L642[22:14:25] <HotSpicySausage> waht is Mass*Strength Multiplier?

L643[22:15:29] ⇦ Quits: Scolar_Visari (webchat@64.20.133.215.dyn-e-pool6.pool.hargray.net) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)

L644[22:17:12] <Truga> on wings?

L645[22:17:16] <Truga> how heavy+sturdy they are

L646[22:17:26] <Truga> heavier wings are harder to break in high g turns

L647[22:18:53] <HotSpicySausage> ahhh

L648[22:21:29] <HotSpicySausage> i love how my kerbal smiles onto its death

L649[22:23:45] <Rolf> heyy we got new danny here

L650[22:26:00] ⇦ Quits: Deviceman979 (~D^man@pool-96-227-206-162.phlapa.ftas.verizon.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L651[22:29:58] ⇨ Joins: GlassYuri (~Kreuzung@163-139-157-49.tokyo.fdn.vectant.ne.jp)

L652[22:39:52] <Warrigal_> HotSpicySausage: looks like your vertical stabilizer is pretty far forward.

L653[22:40:50] <Warrigal_> And do you have a rudder on there?

L654[22:41:18] <HotSpicySausage> No

L655[22:41:40] <HotSpicySausage> i assumed my elavators should suffice

L656[22:42:08] ⇨ Joins: Hyratel1 (~Wyvern@ip68-228-135-114.hr.hr.cox.net)

L657[22:43:50] ⇦ Quits: Hyratel (~Wyvern@ip68-228-135-114.hr.hr.cox.net) (Ping timeout: 186 seconds)

L658[22:45:21] <HotSpicySausage> man it's hard to build a sub-orbital plane

L659[22:45:28] <HotSpicySausage> i don't know if this qualifies as a space plane either

L660[22:45:43] <HotSpicySausage> but i just want to make this plane go into sub-orbit and glide to its destination

L661[22:46:04] <HotSpicySausage> But if I make big wing area, I can't gravity roll without flipping

L662[22:46:19] <HotSpicySausage> But if i have small wings, i can't get enough lift to avoid the death of re-entry velocity

L663[22:47:54] <tawny> try not stacking it vertically

L664[22:48:16] <tawny> if you put the boosters on the sides, then you can position them so that your big wings don't work against you on the ascent

L665[22:50:02] ⇨ Joins: ConductorCat (~Conductor@172.56.5.59)

L666[22:50:17] <HotSpicySausage> i think i'll have to make my plane long

L667[22:50:23] <HotSpicySausage> too small just doesn't seem to work

L668[22:56:12] <tawny> I played around with an approximation of your design a little, and this seems to fly pretty nicely https://i.gyazo.com/f53beb28d86c4ff7ff9bd7207b4aa301.png

L669[22:56:32] <tawny> but it's also not leaving the atmosphere in my tests

L670[22:58:35] <tawny> also I'm using a couple parts you probably don't have yet (or at all?) - those are scaled-down shock cones and wheelsey engines instead of the default stuff

L671[22:58:46] <tawny> so I have no idea if that'd significantly change things

L672[22:59:01] <HotSpicySausage> can i use elavators instead of tail fins?

L673[22:59:19] ⇦ Quits: Plaid (~Zack@cpe-66-68-44-39.austin.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 200 seconds)

L674[22:59:26] <tawny> the elevator parts, you mean? yeah

L675[22:59:34] <HotSpicySausage> Also, i don't think i have that big of elavators yet

L676[22:59:48] <Blaank> What kind of dV can we get with 63.8 tons in LEO?

L677[22:59:57] <Blaank> Assuming time isn't an issue.

L678[23:00:55] <tawny> uhhhh, figure ~7.5:1 wet/dry mass ratio, and the nerv engines...

L679[23:00:56] <tawny> one sec

L680[23:01:03] <Blaank> crap, it would need to be at near 122 degrees inclination

L681[23:01:14] <Blaank> NERV better than ion?

L682[23:01:25] <tawny> oh, ion is also an option

L683[23:01:36] <tawny> I personally wouldn't want to move 63 tons of something with the ion engines tho

L684[23:01:53] <tawny> even ignoring time, you lose efficiency on such long burns

L685[23:01:54] <Blaank> I'm thinking about rendezvous with 'Oumuamua within 5 years.

L686[23:02:15] <tawny> oh right you mean in real life >.>

L687[23:02:20] <Blaank> Falcon heavy will be good to go in 2 years

L688[23:02:23] <tawny> that changes things a bit

L689[23:02:26] ⇨ Joins: Plaid (~Zack@cpe-66-68-44-39.austin.res.rr.com)

L690[23:02:30] <Blaank> yeah, real life

L691[23:02:37] <HotSpicySausage> tawny, those are elavators right?

L692[23:02:41] <tawny> yes

L693[23:02:46] <HotSpicySausage> yeah mine aren't nearly as long

L694[23:03:01] <Blaank> Well the start of rendezvous in 5 years. Who knows how long it would take to intercept.

L695[23:03:15] <tawny> oh, also, don't forget to assign control surfaces- change things from standard control, and set each control surface to do exactly what you need it for

L696[23:03:29] <tawny> i.e., set the elevators on your wings for 100% roll and 0% pitch and yaw

L697[23:03:34] <Blaank> Also wonder if we could manage to gravity tractor it into a capture orbit so we could keep it in-system.

L698[23:03:46] <tawny> (maybe a bit more than 0% pitch if you find you really need that, but still)

L699[23:04:06] <tawny> so nuclear's out, because nobody'll be able to get through the legal mess that'd be in 5 years or less

L700[23:04:49] <tawny> the problem, though, isn't getting to 'oumuamua so much as it is getting to 'oumuamua and being able to do something useful there

L701[23:05:07] <tawny> an ion thruster might not be able to slow you down quickly enough for a long encounter

L702[23:05:16] <Blaank> You'd have to start slowing down sooner.

L703[23:05:22] <tawny> mhm

L704[23:05:48] <Blaank> It's possible to do a full nuclear reactor in space and that would give you ~40 years of power.

L705[23:06:11] <Blaank> vs RTG with something like 20 useful years?

L706[23:06:42] <tawny> mhm, but that'd be even harder to make happen legally

L707[23:07:02] <Blaank> Launching from some small nation with less regulation or none at all.

L708[23:07:16] <HotSpicySausage> Why aren't elevators good enough for pitching? https://imgur.com/a/whFTj

L709[23:07:16] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/6ntPGUN.jpg

L710[23:07:29] <Blaank> And if you had any major nations with government onboard you could run it through pretty fast.

L711[23:07:44] ⇦ Quits: Doty1154 (~Doty1154@2601:648:8000:134f:5920:a45e:da09:aa50) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L712[23:07:52] <tawny> hm idk

L713[23:07:54] <Blaank> I'd have to see a picture from the side to tell you.

L714[23:08:00] <Blaank> It's possible they are near center of mass.

L715[23:08:06] <tawny> oh wait

L716[23:08:18] <tawny> there is that

L717[23:08:26] <tawny> also you're going supersonic in that picture, it looks like

L718[23:08:27] <Blaank> That's the most likely

L719[23:08:35] <Blaank> Do they even care about speed in KSP?

L720[23:08:41] <tawny> FAR does

L721[23:08:42] <Blaank> I've never had control surfaces stop working at high speeds.

L722[23:09:05] <tawny> they still work, but their turning power takes a big hit in conditions like that

L723[23:09:11] <HotSpicySausage> well elevators are too small to work i think

L724[23:09:28] <Blaank> Again, I'd need to see where they are located.

L725[23:09:45] <Blaank> I use the tiniest control surfaces on my medium rockets and they work fine.

L726[23:10:07] <HotSpicySausage> For FAR?

L727[23:10:12] <Blaank> The only time they don't work is when they are very near center of mass and thus just move the vehicle sideways instead of pitching it.

L728[23:10:28] <Blaank> I can't tell what you are using.

L729[23:10:31] <Blaank> Never used FAR.

L730[23:11:59] <Blaank> I want Scott to do a rundown on what it would take to rendezvous with that thing.

L731[23:12:20] <Blaank> Would be a cool video about a flyby vs landing with current and 5 year techs.

L732[23:13:14] <Blaank> Most likely it's just a rock like ours. But it's still very interesting and would tell us a lot were we to get a sample of it.

L733[23:14:27] <Blaank> And I got no problem burning a billion bucks to go find out.

L734[23:14:35] <Blaank> I'd gladly pay $100 for that info.

L735[23:16:00] <Blaank> So each person in the US shelling out $10 would net you 3 billion to work with.

L736[23:19:54] ⇨ Joins: Profound (~nnscript@c-67-171-62-5.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)

L737[23:20:59] ⇨ Joins: Althego (~Althego@BC246A88.dsl.pool.telekom.hu)

L738[23:26:10] <HotSpicySausage> i'm using tailfins and I still can't turn enough, wtf?

L739[23:27:32] <Althego> look at the cyan and yellow markers in the editor

L740[23:27:59] <Althego> if they are really far then your creation is a superstable dart

L741[23:28:14] <Althego> stability means you cant turn

L742[23:28:30] <Althego> but it also means it will not just flip suddenly

L743[23:28:33] <Althego> have to finda balance

L744[23:36:43] ⇦ Quits: daey (~Unknown@p5b2410e2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 200 seconds)

L745[23:39:10] ⇨ Joins: daey (~Unknown@p5B241BA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

L746[23:42:28] ⇦ Quits: Warrigal_ (~tswett@c-68-48-150-165.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 204 seconds)

L747[23:42:30] <HotSpicySausage> do you cover more land when you're flying higher?

L748[23:42:42] <HotSpicySausage> What altitude in KSP is the same as flying airliners IRL?

L749[23:43:37] <HotSpicySausage> my plane so far: https://imgur.com/a/P8gm4

L750[23:43:38] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/r85XhGp.jpg

L751[23:44:50] <Althego> it depends on your engine, but the higher you go the more efficient the engine is. however it also means the less thrust it has, so there is an optimal altitude, what i never bothered to calculate or measured

L752[23:49:04] ⇨ Joins: Doty1154 (~Doty1154@2601:648:8000:134f:b894:3d5:b3b9:230b)

L753[23:49:17] <HotSpicySausage> how do i re-enter with a plane when i'm going 1100 m/s

L754[23:50:01] <Althego> nose up

L755[23:50:55] <tawny> you might need to put a small stage on your rocket that can do a suicide burn for reentry

L756[23:53:04] <HotSpicySausage> wow i actually managed to re-enter but it was a shallow angle

L757[23:53:13] <HotSpicySausage> Now how do i adjust my trim so i don't have to tap S all the time?

L758[23:53:32] <HotSpicySausage> Like what is Ctrl Deflct and AoA%?

L759[23:53:40] <HotSpicySausage> also brakeruder

L760[23:53:56] <HotSpicySausage> and do i want to activate spoilers on my tail fins and elevators?

L761[23:54:21] <Althego> alt + direction on windows, right shift + direction on other systems

L762[23:54:29] <Althego> alt + x to reset

L763[23:54:45] <Althego> activate them

L764[23:55:02] <Althego> ok, for 1100 m/s you dont need them much

L765[23:55:14] <Althego> i usually lose speed by pitch changes

L766[23:55:27] <Althego> if i really need to lose speed i go nose down

L767[23:58:02] <HotSpicySausage> but FAR makes me tumble and explode

L768[23:58:07] <HotSpicySausage> usually

L769[23:58:33] <Althego> then you should work on the stability of the plane without the booster

L770[23:58:54] <Althego> which i guess is more complex with far, but at least you have more build tools for it